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but right now, Apple & Intel have better compute stacks than AMD
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GoldenX86_64 2/11/2024 11:41 PM
Phenom II supports popcnt
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lol
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bro it's a 17 year old instruction
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GoldenX86_64 2/11/2024 11:41 PM
It didn't die
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it can vote and drink
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exio4
it can vote and drink
not in the land of the free
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GoldenX86_64 2/11/2024 11:41 PM
SSE4a includes it
11:41 PM
That bastard of a set includes it
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Egdarska
not in the land of the free
it can go to war and die *
11:42 PM
happy now?
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still one year away
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what about gun ownership
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though it can sign up now
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exio4
what about gun ownership
that depends on state
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GoldenX86_64 2/11/2024 11:42 PM
It can vote here
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some states you can own a gun at 16, but you can't buy it
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i thought drinking age here was 16
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so like a parent's gift
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>parent's gift
11:43 PM
:glue:
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funny thing, in california you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but a rifle is fine at 18
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is this something like "the founding fathers used rifles, but handguns are a modern invention, so we don't have to comply to their desires"
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well, they changed that recently, now any gun is fine at 18, but that was the law for a while
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exio4
is this something like "the founding fathers used rifles, but handguns are a modern invention, so we don't have to comply to their desires"
it's more about being concealable
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and the founding fathers had handguns, flintlocks are old
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GoldenX86_64 2/11/2024 11:45 PM
🦅
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So a phenom I can carry a rifle
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germany has a drinking age of 16
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we could be cool like the germans and accept kids will get drunk
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GoldenX86_64 2/11/2024 11:47 PM
They end up rejecting nuclear energy, not worth it
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exio4
germany has a drinking age of 16
is that only for drinks in public?
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i haven't met a german that didn't get beer at home before 14
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Egdarska
is that only for drinks in public?
buying
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ah yeah
11:48 PM
we like to pretend we can control kids here
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The German laws regulating alcohol use and sale are mostly focused on youth protection. In contrast to many other countries, legislation is relatively lenient and not designed to keep young people away from alcohol, but rather intended to teach them an appropriate approach to alcohol consumption, which is reflected by one of the lowest drinking ...
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11:49 PM
buying/drinking vodka is 18, buying beer is 16, drinking beer is 14
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lol Although the government has planned stricter regulations several times, the alcohol industry is politically influential and has prevented their implementation.
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forget about the industry, try telling germans they can't drink any time they want
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GoldenX86_64
Phenom II boomers in suicide watch
i have it installed on a single core single thread celeron non d cpu system, hehe
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for now
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system has half gb ram too, with some of it eaten up by the integrated graphics
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:05 AM
iirc that's a single core sandy
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despite those older celerons having only one core and one thread, the ones released later on were indeed still 64bit capable
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GoldenX86_64
iirc that's a single core sandy
nope. pentium d/core 2 era
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:05 AM
shit, hope it's core 2
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wait, 450
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yeah it's core 2
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conroe die, 512kb of cache
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but yeah, basically sort of like a 775 pentium 4 but without the ht and less cache, but still 64bit barely
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otherwise yeah, tech itself based on core 2 ish or whatever
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:06 AM
its's 1/4 of a q6600
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the 478 celeron and celeron d cpus only support 32bit, but the 775 ones make it possible
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:07 AM
and can even run ddr3
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in fact, the 478 pentium 4 ht, despite having it's 2 threads and such, is still only 32bit too, you have to go to a 775 pentium 4 ht to get 64bit
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:08 AM
i built gentoo on one of those
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with global -Os
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just because
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@Pharynx guess ram use without a DE (edited)
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GoldenX86_64
@Pharynx guess ram use without a DE (edited)
64 megs
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:09 AM
that was with xcfe
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9-11mb
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sus range
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reminds me of my most pitiful linux systems here, hehe
12:13 AM
imagine a single core cpu 200mhz, then imagine having literally only 32mb (not gb) or storage ENTIRELY
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exio4
next month you'll be buying a server for the pcie lanes, then you'll be buying your own datacenters gpu
GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 12:13 AM
I just ordered a second (used) RTX 4060 Ti 16GB off eBay for $413 after taxes.
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then imagine finding a version of linux that would not only fit on that storage, but also have full color, a browser, audio, and built in basic apps
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GoldenSun3DS
I just ordered a second (used) RTX 4060 Ti 16GB off eBay for $413 after taxes.
GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:13 AM
the AI card
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useless at anything else, but fantastic for AI
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basically they were old thin clients i converted into stantalone systems, heh. the only os i could fit on their internal docs/doms was dsl, damn small linux, older distro now that has newer better replacements, but still unrivaled in it's small size.
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GoldenSun3DS
I just ordered a second (used) RTX 4060 Ti 16GB off eBay for $413 after taxes.
sick
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damn small linux is the only os that can meet those requirements above while also fitting on storage under 128mb like that
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there are many other os and linux versions that can fit on such storage, but you always will have to give up some thing, like gui, or browser, or audio, or etc
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dsl barely lets it happen
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GoldenX86_64
the AI card
GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 12:16 AM
I considerd an RTX 3060 12GB as the second GPU. It was cheaper cost-per-VRAM, but I'd have to worry about mismatched VRAM capacity (getting LLM settings correct) and also I'm not sure if the cache on the 40 series makes a difference.
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I'm still not even sure if the extra cache on the 5800X3D makes a difference compared to a normal Ryzen CPU, or a CPU with more cores. For the models I'm running, it's definitely putting a very large amount of the processing on the CPU/RAM.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 12:23 AM
if you hammer RAM, cache will help a lot
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GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 12:29 AM
I'm not sure exactly how LLMs work, but I figure it could go either way. If it's constantly needing to read/write and access the ENTIRE model size that is stored in RAM, then cache theoretically won't help at all. But if it needs a small amount to be constantly read/written much more than the rest of the model size, then the cache could help.
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There don't seem to be benchmarks for CPU, RAM and GPUs for AI LLMs online, at least that I could find. Like 5800X3D vs 5950X or 3000MHz RAM vs 4000MHz RAM, etc
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gtx950
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 2:46 AM
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kekw
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No, I refuse
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GoldenSun3DS
I considerd an RTX 3060 12GB as the second GPU. It was cheaper cost-per-VRAM, but I'd have to worry about mismatched VRAM capacity (getting LLM settings correct) and also I'm not sure if the cache on the 40 series makes a difference.
3060 is faster for most workloads, LLMs are specifically bandwidth bound, so very well optimized code would have been a bit of a "you have to benchmark specific models" though
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GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 3:08 AM
I doubt the 3060 would be faster if you're running models too large to fit into VRAM.
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yeah, it won't 😛 (edited)
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Get 24GB or bust
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GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 3:12 AM
I don't think you need that much VRAM for AI busts
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Nvidia better start putting a minimum of 16GB on xx70's from now on.
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best i can do is 12
3:21 AM
must be cool to be as powerful as nvidia, downgrade your next gen with 2/3 of the previous gen's lower tier card worth of vram and not even suffer a dent in lost sales
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Hardware Theory Question: If I picked 10 random popular games, set all the settings to high 1080p and capped fps at 60, which would lower tier or higher tier cards get the hottest? (edited)
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lower tier cards
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they'd work harder
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a >300W card that could do 1440p120 would be chilling at 1080p60
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is it as simple as, a function of avg fps in gaming benchmarks by the TDP? (edited)
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basically fps per TDP watt?
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Owen
is it as simple as, a function of avg fps in gaming benchmarks by the TDP? (edited)
no
7:46 AM
it also depends on the gpu architecture
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as in, high temps per fps or low temps? @exio4
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because im trying to design a PC that remains as silent as possible, and i dont want 3060 fanless gpu, so im looking to buy something that i can run med settings w/o fans turning on
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i know big factor is heatsink and other stuff, but just from a which gpu to buy perspective im curious imma look into undervolting too (edited)
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Owen
as in, high temps per fps or low temps? @exio4
no, because the key here is that you need power management that works, and RDNA3 has that broken, Ada lovelace is great at that though
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 7:49 AM
imagine if nvidia gave us control over it
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man i would burn so many cards
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if you want to get an "efficient low-power gpu", your best choice: 40 series, pick a 4070 Super, and cap the TDP to 130W or so
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aight ill strongly consider that, thanks 🫡
7:50 AM
do you know off top of head, for ~40% reduction in tdp how much % does fps go down (edited)
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Owen
do you know off top of head, for ~40% reduction in tdp how much % does fps go down (edited)
depends on architecture too
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exio is gonna rant about efficiency in about 5 seconds
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but basically, high end gpus tend to overshoot and have stupid power limits, you can lower power draw by 30% and lose only like 15% performance
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on Ada, the "rule", the 4070 non-Super is a 200W gpu, can go down to 150-160W without losing almost any performance (outside of cyberpunk path traced) 130-150W is the range where you start losing a bit of performance in normal games
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Egdarska
but basically, high end gpus tend to overshoot and have stupid power limits, you can lower power draw by 30% and lose only like 15% performance
all Ada gpus lol
7:53 AM
Ada is reverse-RDNA rn
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because it works?
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AMD ships the 7800 XT underclocked basically, and you can crank the TDP and get massive performance gains
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it'll use 400W yes
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i would say ampere too, unless the 3060 mobile is an outlier
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but :glue:
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i showed you the results
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Egdarska
i would say ampere too, unless the 3060 mobile is an outlier
mobile chips are all underclocked, and Ampere has the Vmax quite high
7:54 AM
on desktop that doesn't really happen
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30xx used to overdraw way more than needed especially on spikes, ADA you can get the same performance with a lower core voltage than recommended. (edited)
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80w to 95 was like a 20% performance improvement, and 95w to 130 was like 5-6%
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oh, btw, do not undervolt Ada
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No need to truthfully
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though i didn't test with a game using every feature, so no rt and dlss
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It just doesn't draw as much as Ampere.
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if you do get a 40 series gpu, undervolting is cringe unless you specifically tune the voltage for specific frequencies
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an overall undervolt is gonna have clock stretching
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i don't have time to mess with gpus now, i'll just run oc scanner if possible and let it rest
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but even that is not something i'd do anymore
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Egdarska
though i didn't test with a game using every feature, so no rt and dlss
yeah, RT is the biggest way to see gains in power
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good thing nvidia scammed me and put 6GB in it so i can't use RT anyway
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exio4
if you do get a 40 series gpu, undervolting is cringe unless you specifically tune the voltage for specific frequencies
so i shouldnt undervolt?
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oh is undervolting and setting tdp cap difernt?
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Owen
oh is undervolting and setting tdp cap difernt?
yes
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I just run my 4070 TI stock and it does basically the same as all the 4070 TI supers.
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tdp cap is just the card uses less power
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I would have gained 2.7fps in cyberpunk from my 4070TI to a TI super.
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undervolting means you're telling the card to try to run at a higher speed at a lower voltage
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which usually means you're making your shit unstable
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but it runs gta5 lol
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Not all GPU's are like that egd.
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clock stretching is how gpus handle that nowadays
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OldManKain
Not all GPU's are like that egd.
modern ones are
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Egdarska
modern ones are
no
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But yes, undervolting is much more usefull on CPU's over GPU's
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if you undervolt amd cpus or ada lovelace you see clock stretching first
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after a point it breaks yes
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If you undervolt Alder Lake you gain Frequency (makes no sense) (edited)
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but my point is, is it worth it, compared to old gpus for example?
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but if you are missing the voltage by a bit, it'll just say it does 2.2GHz and run at 1.8GHz internally and perform like 1.8
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in old gpus you could undervolt and see real gains
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it is if you tune the Vf by hand, manually
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3080 you could see minimal loss on undervolt.
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And undervolt like what was it to like .920 with 0 performance loss.
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exio4
but if you are missing the voltage by a bit, it'll just say it does 2.2GHz and run at 1.8GHz internally and perform like 1.8
clock stretching is fun
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>ah yes my gpu does over 2GHz!
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benchmarks showing shit performance:
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i prefer the old "it's stable, i gained 30fps"
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or the sequel "it only crashes in dumb synthetic benchmarks, it's stable for gaming"
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Nah, it has to be stable in every synthetic or it's not worth.
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Egdarska
or the sequel "it only crashes in dumb synthetic benchmarks, it's stable for gaming"
based
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OldManKain
Nah, it has to be stable in every synthetic or it's not worth.
what about real games
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I saw a guy today rant about his 4090 + 7800x3d 26K 3Dmark Timespy score, I'm over here on a 12700k 4070 TI with a 24K score going, hmmm okay.
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rdna2 is funny, raster could take a huge undervolt sometimes
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I can barely OC at all in CoD without the game exploding
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It’s made like garbage
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run RT workloads and you need to overvolt lol
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Moonlacer
It’s made like garbage
??
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Moonlacer
It’s made like garbage
?
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Alder/raptor undervolt, Raptor refresh you are fucked.
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if it doesn't crash without overclock but crashes with an overclock it's not an issue with the software
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mgs5 was the same way, it's really hard to make it crash even with weird mods, but a shitty overclock will crash it 100% of the time
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My computer is bored right now playing destiny 2. Everything maxed with 150% scaling.
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Not a very hard game to run nowadays
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I'm also undervolted from 1.350 to 1.245.
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Egdarska
if it doesn't crash without overclock but crashes with an overclock it's not an issue with the software
In CoDs case, yes kek
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And overclocked from 4.7 all core to 5.0 all core
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It will crash regardless, but more frequently when OCed (edited)
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I was told Alder Lake at 90c was fine.
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I never go over 77c
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Moonlacer
It will crash regardless, but more frequently when OCed (edited)
try overvolting (edited)
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if it doesn’t crash ur gpu is defective
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Nah, it’s the game
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Pretty sure it’s all in the VRAM sensitivity
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hmm why won't afterburner work with destiny 2
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It will crash more frequently if you alt tab out, and it doesn’t even matter the vendor
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Works on AMD™️
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Through Adrenalin
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I love my 4070 TI draws about 80w less than my 3070 TI
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I don’t really take power draw into account when buying GPUs
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Moonlacer
I don’t really take power draw into account when buying GPUs
we can tell
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smh
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I usually don't but I like to stress test my system since I will leave it on 24/7
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Disable sleep, disable hibernate, power shell get rid of hibernate etc etc.
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Only thing that hibernates on my PC is the monitors.
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Wow, I don’t know why you would do that, though
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Unless it’s your NAS or something
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Moonlacer
Wow, I don’t know why you would do that, though
My 3570K at 4.5ghz lasted 10years being on 99% of the time, Hoping Alder Lake can do it too. (edited)
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I don’t trust Windows to not break things leaving it idle (edited)
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Windows won't break shit if you disable all the bullshit.
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Powershell is your friend.
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>not sleeping
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windows sleep = windows fucks your PC up.
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you arent on amd
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It can do some weird shit with big+little. (edited)
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i still haven't had windows cause issues when sleeping
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i feel like i'm missing out
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I haven't let windows sleep since 2008
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So who knows if it's safe now.
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It's like how windows won't clear it's state on reboot. Gotta shut that shit down for 10 minutes still in 2024
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Or hold shift
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During reboot.
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exio says sleep on windows is worse than using linux for video editing, but he has a mac so his opinion is kinda worthless tbh
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We will all be on linux before 2030
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lol, this is the decade of desktop linux
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Windows 12 inc for processors with AI chips, windows 13 inc online only.
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any year now
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wayland is the future
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Egdarska
exio says sleep on windows is worse than using linux for video editing, but he has a mac so his opinion is kinda worthless tbh
its still usable
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if your hardware combo isn't broken
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(AM5 / Zen4 issue for example)
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Last linux I used was redhat 5.1 like in 2000/2001 forgot which version showeq needed.
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i can't wait to use linux with wayland and an amd gpu for gaming, and rocm for all my general uses
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this decade will be great
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Zen4 is amazing as long as you get a chip without dual CCD's if not you need that xbox gamebar
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7800x3d or bust basically for AMD
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Who wants gamebar to control their schedular.
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i can't wait for windows to make old cpus completely unusable ngl
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@exio4 is there any extension that all am4/am5 and newer intel cpus use that is newer than 2017?
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avx2 already pushes most bulldozer chips out and a lot of intel chips
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i want something that requires ryzen 1 at the very least
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AVX2 almost
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there's only 1 AMD architecture before Zen1 w/ AVX2 support
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if you meant on the amd camp exclusively
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Egdarska
i can't wait to use linux with wayland and an amd gpu for gaming, and rocm for all my general uses
so true
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OldManKain
Zen4 is amazing as long as you get a chip without dual CCD's if not you need that xbox gamebar
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sleep is broken on AM5
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👍
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maybe it isn't broken on the monolithic chips lol
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Like I said I haven't used sleep since 2008, Sleep was broken back then on both Intel and AMD
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Windows Vista FTL
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it wasn't on mac
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🙏
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hol up
8:39 AM
they released excavator cpus for am4?
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Egdarska
they released excavator cpus for am4?
yes
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I know of some IRL
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I actually wanna buy that rig one day
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just to experience the worst of AM4
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bruh why?
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i mean why did they do it
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if they wanted super low budget am4 cpus they could have just used rejected ryzen3 chips with 2 cores
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would probably perform better
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they needed APUs and Zen1 apus weren't ready
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you know Zen1 was like... buggy as fuck, right?
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they released it because the company was months away from bankruptcy not because they wanted
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yeah, but lawdy, excavator apus
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Bartlett lake the sleeper gamers CPU?
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12 Pcores with HT.
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You haven't heard about bartlett lake yet?
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i dont follow rumors that much no
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Not a rumor
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I won't post rumor's.
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:glue:
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Egdarska
yeah, but lawdy, excavator apus
zen1 has a major security bug btw
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Intel Bartlett Lake-S for NEX systems first, consumer variants not ruled out According to Benchlife, a site known for leaking various Intel roadmaps, the rumored Bartlett Lake-S is indeed coming, but the initial focus will be on the Network and Edge CPU series.  The site reiterates the rumor that Bartlett Lake-S will be using the […]
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Okay rmored.
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if you divide by 0 you get the last valid result
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But it's real.
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I used to work for Intel.
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exio4
if you divide by 0 you get the last valid result
i saw that
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not even a minute damn
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Egdarska
i saw that
its funny
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Videocardz calls it a rumor, I know it is fact.
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You can even look me up on linkdin I worked for intel for 10+ years.
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In Hellsburrito Oregon
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i dont know ur name bro 😭 i cant look you up on linkedin
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its fine tho i trust u
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If you knew how to type 1 name into google you would find my real name everywhere.
thonking 1
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I don't hide behind my handle/monikor/gamertag
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i just have my socials like github linked to my account
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OldManKain is linked to Rich Hall everywhere.
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i love how my id is public
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Except tiktok and the other stupid picture website.
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knowing i have a degree is enough to find it
8:47 AM
#exposed by the government
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I have a bachelors in RF engineering.
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Also ex military intelligence.
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But suck at coding.
8:48 AM
The superbowl broke me, I'm drinking too much.
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im not american i dont get that
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is that why i'm getting so many football ads?
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Yes
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did the 49ers lose?
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I might actually give up my citizenship and go move in with my family in okinawa. U.S. won't let me have dual citizenship due to being a military vet.
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Egdarska
did the 49ers lose?
Yes in OT
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good
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That hurts.
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i don't watch football but i do like watching san francisco lose
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Hey I used to live in north marin county SF.
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Got my first job at SEGA.
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Still have my ugly Sega Game Professional Fleece vest they gave us.
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the only time i'd cheer for sf is when they play the raiders
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My teams were chosen by my grandfather for taking me to their games in their home fields.
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@exio4 we recently had flooding all last week, a tornado warning, and a 5.3 earthquake 10 minutes ago
8:58 AM
we just need fire season to start again for the full team
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Egdarska
@exio4 we recently had flooding all last week, a tornado warning, and a 5.3 earthquake 10 minutes ago
Big Island?
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san diego
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Egdarska
@exio4 we recently had flooding all last week, a tornado warning, and a 5.3 earthquake 10 minutes ago
yoooo
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What, an EQ on WC? I'm still on the west coast just left CA.
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yeah, epicenter was around centro, near the border
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There it is. 5.3 12:42AM
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Shit didn't realize it's 1am
9:08 AM
Fucking alcohol
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can't sleep till I finish this bottle.
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Egdarska
@exio4 we recently had flooding all last week, a tornado warning, and a 5.3 earthquake 10 minutes ago
are you ok tho
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yeah, we get earthquakes all the time
9:26 AM
i'm sick right now and i'm skipping work tomorrow, but that's unrelated
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I blame Von Sigewolf
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Egdarska
i'm sick right now and i'm skipping work tomorrow, but that's unrelated
did u use fsr2 lately
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exio4
did u use fsr2 lately
i don't think fsr2 is so bad it would make me physically ill
10:13 AM
but also no
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:13 AM
FSR2 is the best thing ever on low end cards without DLSS
10:14 AM
Imagine using NIS on a GTX 1660
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Imagine trying to use NIS on anything pre-ampere...... (it's broken by the way) and has been for 3 years. (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:16 AM
NVIDIA: buy our 500 bucks 128 bit Ada card or die
10:16 AM
Don't mind it's slower than a 3060ti
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Nvidia "We aren't a gaming GPU company anymore"
10:17 AM
Battlemage is 4070 speed with shitty drivers.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:17 AM
NVIDIA "AI shills will sell it for us anyway"
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AMD... STEP YO ASS BACK ON THE GPU FLOOR.
10:17 AM
It's getting bad, everything is AI now.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:17 AM
AMD is dead, they retreated to mid end only again (edited)
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ARL 8p+16e no HT +2 AI and a new fake hyperthreading.
10:18 AM
I hope Zen5 DT is worth.
10:18 AM
ARL leaks only showing 2-5% over RPL.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:18 AM
I hope platform costs lower, AM5 is still stupidly expensive
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And now PTL is being held back with 0 HT no AVX10 wtf is intel doing.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:19 AM
Saving money kek
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I so wish I still worked at intel so I could see this shit.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:19 AM
Money that isn't spent on Intel drivers
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ADL (12th gen) = shit we can't finish RPL in time, fuck it ship it how it is.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:20 AM
Man at least 5 people with NVIDIA asking for framegen after the article AMD hit it good with AFMF
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No one understands 12th-14th gen are all on the same architecture names don't matter.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:20 AM
12th gen, the new skylake
10:20 AM
"We changed the cache size so it's a new arch" Intel
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Lets just keep refreshing sandy bridge from 30xx to 40xx to 4xxx and beyond.
10:21 AM
4760K
10:21 AM
In reality that is what Intel should have done with 14th gen.
10:21 AM
Should have been like 13770K
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for the 13700k SKU.
10:22 AM
14th gen is almost as big as a rip off as 9th or 11th.
10:23 AM
8700k 6 cores 12 threads. 9700k 8 cores 8 threads and worse in real world performance.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:23 AM
13th gen is too, any mid to low end offer is just alder
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13th gen to me is actually worth an upgrade from 12th.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:23 AM
We still lack avx512
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It's 14th that is worthless if you have 13th
10:23 AM
I have avx512 on a 12700KF
10:24 AM
Have to disable e-cores in bios and enable it though.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:24 AM
If you get a real 13th gen yeah, totk here loves 2mb per p core
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But i3 and i5 users get alder, 1.25mb
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Yeah forgot about that.
10:24 AM
I don't purchase anything below 700k
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:24 AM
Even the 13400 and 13600 is a lottery
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Well now its what core ultra 7
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or core 7 plus
10:25 AM
Core 7 look we have alder lake stuff in our meteor lake line which we say AMD does and call it snake oil.
10:26 AM
Can AMD and Intel just fucking name their processor like (Processor generation) *(Computer Power) done.
10:26 AM
Why am I only getting 10fps in TotK I have an I7
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:27 AM
Kek
10:27 AM
Can't wait for the ultra 7 complaining
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Which ultra?
10:27 AM
Actually only 7 and 9 have ultra
10:27 AM
5 has regular and plus.
10:27 AM
5 = xx400 - xx600.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:28 AM
What a naming mess
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7 = xx700 = xx800 (if it existed).
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9 = xx900 - xx900KS basically.
10:29 AM
That is desktop naming.
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Laptop naming is already broken
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Core 115H
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Core 115T
10:29 AM
They should have just said F it and done xx100=900ks for the next 80+ years.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:31 AM
Poor people that don't follow this
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Hey remember bigger the number the better.
10:32 AM
Like my ex wife. I got her a 6800GT, after our divorce her new man got her a 9200. (edited)
10:32 AM
But the number is bigger.
10:33 AM
Why my games no work no more.
kek 1
10:37 AM
I feel so liberated right now, I'm not being yelled at for reporting issues to Yuzu.
10:38 AM
And cheats VM is now ready for the future.
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:41 AM
Imagine getting flak for reporting bugs, damn
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I got shit on for helping Your team, when I was apart of the other team.
10:47 AM
Then again I got shit on here, when my edizon SE cheats wouldn't work here 2 years ago also popkirby (edited)
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My dream GPU: RTX4070SUPER, with giant heatsink supported by socketing the GPU into 2-3 slots PCIE slots, fanless w/ optional silent fans, completely powered by PCIE since it can socket into 2-3 of them (edited)
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4070 super comes in single slot
10:48 AM
Just not FE
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no i mean, it sockets into two or three PCIE sockets, on the motherboard (edited)
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No, I don't want SLI back.
10:49 AM
We already had those cards with SLI onboard, btw takes 2 pciex slots.
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its not multiple GPUs, its just for mechanical support and to provide power to the GPU
10:49 AM
itd be a godsend for silent/fanless builds
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Sounds like you want a 3060 6gb
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:49 AM
And a pain to find compatible boards
10:50 AM
Pcie locations aren't fixed
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GPU's have advanced so far the only MOBO manufacturer that makes a Power slot on the Mobo is ASUS.
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OldManKain
Sounds like you want a 3060 6gb
just not powerful enough for me :/
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:50 AM
Power connectors on the back sounds like a cool idea to solve this
10:51 AM
Or an extra slot at the end of the pcie for power
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I'm on a 4070 TI with a single rail from my Corsair rm850x
10:51 AM
Then again corsair v3/v4 put out 288watts per rail.
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or just increase the voltage supplied by the PCIe slot
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Spec is 150w per rail.
10:51 AM
Not rail
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even putting the power socket on the side would be better than top (the smallest face, oppisite the IO) (edited)
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Per pciex connector should be 150w a piece.
10:52 AM
But corsair (also known as seasonic) does 288w per pciex 8pin (edited)
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10:52 AM
Thats how you can run a 4090 + 13900KS on a RM850X.
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wow thats really cool i didnt know that
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It depends on the PSU manufacturor
10:53 AM
Corsair/Seasonic, and EVGA/Superflower both do 288w per pciex 8-pin. (edited)
10:54 AM
Even though spec is 150
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 10:54 AM
Good quality wiring
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This is what you can run on corsair v3/v4 with their proprietary 2x pciex8 to 12vhpwr.
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even the 850e which is bronze can do a 4090
10:56 AM
These are also all paired with a 13900k for these results.
10:57 AM
I have this but haven't used it yet.
10:58 AM
I'm literally running a single Pciex 8pin with the baby cable off the end into a 2 to 1 12vhpwr Nvidia adapter.
10:59 AM
This is what I'm using on my ASUS TUF 4070 TI OC
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example of a more popular game running pretty good and without issues on the firepro w4100 there...
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OldManKain
Sounds like you want a 3060 6gb
squanchy 🥗 2/12/2024 2:16 PM
Sounds terrible.
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GoldenX86_64
NVIDIA: buy our 500 bucks 128 bit Ada card or die
squanchy 🥗 2/12/2024 2:50 PM
Wait for 96-bit $600 Blackwell GPU SunglassesFluent
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OldManKain
I have this but haven't used it yet.
takanome9104 2/12/2024 4:59 PM
why you didn't use the one from corsair ? , i have this cable didn't melt on me thank god but i have 4070ti maybe when i upgrade to 4090 i will burn the house we'll see
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squanchy 🥗 2/12/2024 5:12 PM
Whoresair
5:13 PM
The 4070 Ti won't draw enough current over the pins to melt the connector @takanome9104
5:13 PM
The issue is the connector is poorly designed so doesn't mate properly during casual installation. The worst connector introduced in the consumer space as long as I've been messing with PCs (since the mid-90s).
5:14 PM
Even the flat molex connector was better than the horse shit that is the 12/16-pin PCIe connector.
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takanome9104 2/12/2024 5:15 PM
yeah they need to ship the new cards with 2 plugs 12vhpwr
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squanchy 🥗 2/12/2024 5:15 PM
So, 4060/70/Ti owners are just as likely to not correctly mate the connectors, but those GPUs don't draw enough current for that to be an issue. Which is why almost all melted RTX 40 GPUs are 4090s and, to a lesser extent, 4080s.
5:18 PM
They need to use the molex mini-fit or whatever it's called pin standard. So the same size as current PCIe 6/8-pins, but with let's say 12 pins + 4 sense pins (?) and rated for 600W, same as the currentl 12VHPWR standard which uses needle-like pins. That'd cover all forseeable desktop CPUs. (edited)
5:19 PM
Basically the issue is the high current is melting connectors that are so thin that their contact area with the receptacle is much smaller than with the larger pins used in the PCIe 6/8-pin connector. (edited)
5:19 PM
tl;dr: Nvidia's fault for using it, then Intel's fault for adding it to the PCIe 5.0 spec for PSUs.
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who tf makes a connector that doesn't click into place
6:05 PM
an assh*le that's who
6:05 PM
i felt stupid as hell plugging my 4080s in
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Corsair/Seasonic, and EVGA/Superflower both do 288w per pciex 8-pin. (edited)
deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 6:27 PM
Oh snap. So I could run my 2080 with a single plug? That would save a bit of case clutter. (Superflower Leadex III 850W)
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Man at least 5 people with NVIDIA asking for framegen after the article AMD hit it good with AFMF
GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 6:42 PM
I hate NVidia, too, but it's not the gamers' fault that NVidia is greedy. I wouldn't even have dual 4060 Ti 16GB if I wasn't wanting to do AI LLMs. I'd still be using my A770 16GB, which I'm still trying to get rid of.
6:43 PM
Is NVidia's frame gen proprietary and not letting just anyone add it into a game or something like that?
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 6:47 PM
DLSS is not compatible with GPL licences
6:47 PM
Plus motion vectors and all that that games don't provide
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example of a more popular game running pretty good and without issues on the firepro w4100 there...
GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 6:51 PM
When it comes to emulation, I'm a full speed absolutist. It needs to be 90%+ at 90%+ of the time for me to consider it playable, unless it has a variable frame rate. 45FPS in a normal game is good, but when the target is 60FPS, that's 75% speed and running in a bit of slow motion. It's just not fun to play in even a little bit of slow motion, although modern emulators don't tend to have the irritating issue of the music being slowed down as well.
6:52 PM
And I'm someone that has no issue playing cloud gaming at latency of 70ms on 4G mobile data.
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oh any person can have their own opinion on what they like or not, that's totally fine.
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GoldenSun3DS 2/12/2024 6:55 PM
I would honestly rather play an emulated game with the full speed target reduced to 30FPS than play at 45FPS at 75% motion.
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but yeah, the example above is fully playable and even comparable to the system itself to some degrees
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 7:00 PM
Somewhat related: I was wondering why Wind Wake HD felt weird to me in Cemu the other day and I realized it was because it's locked at 30
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is it? never played that version before
7:13 PM
i played the original on the console, which i believe was 30 too
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but after that i just used dolphin in recent years and forcing it higher one way or another
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in fact, even though that hd version exists, i still consider the gamecube version at 4k with dolphin and any other sharpening you can do to be just the best
7:14 PM
kind of a weird game to me too in a way because i do like it a lot, but it's hard to really go back and replay anymore, and just feels a bit boring every time i try now
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 7:38 PM
Cemu gets it to 4k pretty easily, so it's likely comparable. I don't think they did much more than add some visual polish, though
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 7:39 PM
Wide-screen sprites
7:39 PM
Good game to autoHDR
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GoldenX86_64
DLSS is not compatible with GPL licences
I think you can still link to it
8:07 PM
yeah
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Too many changes to list, but broadly:
  • Remove Intel GPU support from the compiler
  • Add AMD GPU support to the compiler
  • Remove Intel GPU host code
  • Add AMD GPU host code
  • More device instruct...
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@Egdarska
8:32 PM
amd was funding it apparently but dropped out
8:33 PM
runtime to run unmodified cuda on amd
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 8:50 PM
Oh nice, Cuda compat
8:50 PM
Why kill shintel tho
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it's in the faq on the main page for zluda
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 8:56 PM
Lol, AMD chad at least
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>Realistically, it's now abandoned and will only possibly receive updates to run workloads I am personally interested in (DLSS).
9:12 PM
"I want DLSS on AMD" but they actually coded a compatibility layer to make it work
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GoldenX86_64 2/12/2024 9:14 PM
Dude actually worked
9:15 PM
Would be funny to see DLSS FG on AMD, we'll see how heavy it is compute wise
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:16 PM
I like DLSS but I welcome FSR3 frame gen on my 20-series card
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On what game? 💀
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:17 PM
Witcher 3 is probably the best example for me. I can only get low 40s with all of the ray tracing turned on, but the frame gen mod gets me to a solid 60
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By contrast, Alan Wake 2 is too heavy for extra fake frames to be useful, and it performs better without it
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Oh, the mods
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Wish more games were officially supported
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9:17 PM
Last I checked there were only 2
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:18 PM
Does the Avatar game support it? I didn't check
9:18 PM
That's another case of me owning it but not really doing more than using it as a test case. It came free with my CPU
9:19 PM
I think I threw the mod files into it, but might not have put them in the right folder, because I don't think it worked when I checked
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deadlybydsgn
Does the Avatar game support it? I didn't check
yes
9:19 PM
but FSR3, officially, is uh
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cringe
9:19 PM
it forces you to use FSR2
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I thought you could disable it in Forspoken and just leave the FG
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you have to use FSR2 as AA at least
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That's the only game I have with FSR3
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it's a software lock, AMD doesn't recognize the existence of other upscalers so they went out of their way (nearly) to make the experience worse for everybody
9:20 PM
on my steamdeck I very much prefer XeSS DP4a
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Moonlacer
I thought you could disable it in Forspoken and just leave the FG
deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:21 PM
Now there's a game that was promptly forgotten about
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It's a stuttery mess in the area I'm in so you can't even see the benefits of FG
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:22 PM
IIRC the demo ran okay on my old 6800k/2080 combo, but the gameplay didn't click with me
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No, it's not a very good game
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it's alright iirc
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No weapon variety for like the first half of the game
9:23 PM
And the constant dialogue between your character and the cuff is unbearable
9:23 PM
I will probably play the game with dialogue off if I ever finish it kek
9:24 PM
And it's very easy
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If you hold the dodge bind while moving you're basically just invincible
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It perfectly dodges nearly any attack
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:28 PM
I'm okay with easy. I mostly care about good stories these days
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It doesn't have a good story
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deadlybydsgn 2/12/2024 9:28 PM
but I do recall reviews trashing the dialogue too
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so, if switch 2 is just switch architecture with better hardware, and allows for easy backwards compatibility, does that inherently make it easier to emulate? Or will new hardware/architecture say without backwards compatibility, be harder to emulate no matter what? I guess what I mean to say is, what will make emulation have to start from square 1? The hardware? or software? (edited)
11:40 PM
Is there a path that leads to switch 2 being easy to emulate/not require starting from square one?
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The short answer: We shall see
12:20 AM
A hack will still be required, and after that it will depend on how much the CPU/GPU stuff has changed
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it should be broken and emulated fairly quickly. the possibility of it not does exist, just is very small, and precedent nearly completely shows won't be the case. the things we already do know so far about it are good signs it will be sooner rather than later too. because there are aspects that people will be able to apply things they know now to right out the gate, and etc. as opposed to a brand new entirely different thing.
12:24 AM
even if it touts some new great security, and there are defenders trying to say that it might be different this time, or etc etc, there is just plain too much motivation to do so, and too many with the abilities to do so, and etc.
12:25 AM
and even if it's a situation like the switch where you have to have earlier models or other blocks down the road, won't matter, because it just needs one model to be hacked one time ever, that's it, all games are dumped essentially from here on out and emulation is off to the races, no matter what they lock down after it.
12:26 AM
i wouldn't be surprised actually if after a while we ended up with another "dolphin situation" where it's literally so similar and easy to do at a point, will just get tacked onto the current existing switch emulators, with no need for anyone to start any new emulators for it at all.
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Nintendo will not let a hack like the V1 happen again
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 12:47 AM
that's for sure
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doesn't matter, some thing will
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@Pharynx Have anything to add? smug
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how tf do you think precedent applies here
12:53 AM
hos might be the most secure consumer-facing operating system currently in existence
12:53 AM
there are no useful software bugs, no kernel bugs, no secure monitor bugs, they are reusing the same stack
12:54 AM
the only chance you have is that nvidia fucked something up again and they didn't, they also added a crap ton of glitch resistance to orin
12:54 AM
will someone get into it? probably but not soon
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and that doesn't mean an exploit will ever be practical
12:55 AM
there is zero chance there will ever be a pure software exploit that is useful for homebrew or game dumping
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exio4
amd was funding it apparently but dropped out
It's fine, rocm will be finished any day now
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Yeah, tomorrow for sure
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Pharynx
will someone get into it? probably but not soon
so you saying, i gotta get job at nintendo
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the positive precedent is that people are absolutely fiendish about getting into nintendo's shit
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a lot of very smart people will be trying but that guarantees nothing
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We can only hope nvidia fucks up again, they won't make the same mistake but could be a different one
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Vulnerability in the ethernet driver
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@Pharynx have they isolated drivers
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exio4
@Pharynx have they isolated drivers
iommu + nvservices is separated from everything
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oh so its not viable
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I miss the 3ds/wii days, the exploits got fucking wacky
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i feel like on a security-first setup you basically have to rely on too many exploits to make it viable
1:17 AM
you need to like, break the hardware and software concurrently, i assume
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i feel like this is one of the reasons xbox won't get an exploit either, even though you technically can run your own code on it on dev mode
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I thought that was mostly lack of interest
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i mean, it does help xbox is irrelevant, but it's also that their system is much more secure than sony's
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even if you broke out of a game, you'd need to break out of the hypervisor, and there's a fuckton of things to go through for a proper jailbreak
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exio4
i feel like on a security-first setup you basically have to rely on too many exploits to make it viable
on systems with total software security the better move is to get the hardware to run your code instead
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Pharynx
on systems with total software security the better move is to get the hardware to run your code instead
what do you mean?
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in switch v2's case, glitch the bootrom before any lockouts occur
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attack the chain of trust at the topmost link
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i am hopeful
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DIY quantum computers to break nintendo keys 🙏
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 1:57 AM
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what is the issue with nvidia's
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unironically
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RTX 2000 series came after GTX 1000, 3000 after 2000, 4000 after 3000
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the only issue is the 1600 cards and they already forgot about those
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1600 made sense tho
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:05 AM
i mean we went from 900 to 1000 to 1600 to 2000 to 3000 (edited)
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increments aren't adding up
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it was turing so better than pascal, but gtx, so they used an in between number
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SadSinglePringle
i mean we went from 900 to 1000 to 1600 to 2000 to 3000 (edited)
this is a change in how they increment things
2:06 AM
but there's still a bigger number better line that is "100% clear"*
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exio4
it was turing so better than pascal, but gtx, so they used an in between number
why not 1500?
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*almost always
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Egdarska
why not 1500?
who knows
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:06 AM
also
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i'm just saying
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it was a one-off architecture anyways
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:06 AM
4070 ti super
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and then you have the aibs with the
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i don't even know how amd's card naming works
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yeah fair, ti super is wack
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Egdarska
i don't even know how amd's card naming works
5700 XT, 6700 XT, 7700 XT
2:07 AM
they're "sane" but started at 5000 and will have to fix the fuck up soon
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i just know the 7900xtx is supposed to be the best
2:07 AM
but it's still a midrange card
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nvidia still has like a decade to get its numbers together
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Egdarska
but it's still a midrange card
look man, that's different
2:07 AM
it is their best
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:07 AM
PNY GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB Overclocked
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like
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what does that even mean at that point
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most of these aren't NVIDIA's fault lol
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:08 AM
no i get that
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just
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yeah those are oem names
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:08 AM
aibs go crazy
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MegaCharizardY72 2/13/2024 2:08 AM
Not exclusive to pc hardware market tbh
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XLR8 is a ben10 reference fr
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ans they usually mean something within the oem naming
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exio4
XLR8 is a ben10 reference fr
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:08 AM
that's exactly what i was thinking lol
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are you a ben 10 fan Exio?
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evga had the best naming
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i've not watched the reboot
2:09 AM
but i did watch the whole main show like a year ago
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@SadSinglePringle ^ re: ben10
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:09 AM
nice
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i haven't watched the reboot either
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but i've watched all the og series
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:10 AM
Super ti sounds horrible
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Mx is still a mess
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MX is dead
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super tie
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:10 AM
And quadro cards are impossible to understand (edited)
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:10 AM
true that
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the ti cards should just be xxx5
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quadro cards got fucked when they had two generations back to back with the same letter
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4075 super
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Egdarska
the ti cards should just be xxx5
4070 sounds much nicer tho
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or the other way around idc
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:12 AM
Also, DLSS naming is terrible
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"RX 580", "RX five-eighty" "4070 Super", "forty-seventy Super" "ryzen 3600" , "ryzen thirty-six hundred" all of those sound neat
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:12 AM
3.5, but framegen is not guaranteed
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:12 AM
lol
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i have no idea how to call them in spanish
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GoldenX86_64
3.5, but framegen is not guaranteed
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2:13 AM
that's a hardware feature
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
nvidia shouldn't have done 3.5 ever
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
Erre equis quinientos ochenta
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Egdarska
that's a hardware feature
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
No?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
Cuarenta setenta súper
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
they should have just had different names for the tech
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guys i bought a laptop but windows isn't doing hardware av1 encoding 😠
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
DLSS
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GoldenX86_64
Erre equis quinientos ochenta
i say 5 80
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:13 AM
DLRR
2:13 AM
DLFG
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:14 AM
Cinco ochenta is fine
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:14 AM
would clear up some confusion for the less tech literate
this 1
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SadSinglePringle
they should have just had different names for the tech
they did
2:14 AM
frame generation is different from just dlss
2:14 AM
it's a subset of dlss
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:14 AM
They are all under the DLSS umbrella though
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NVIDIA's frame gen is feature is locked through hardware, not versions, you still get Reflex from the frame gen requirements/suite
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:14 AM
the issue is they shoved it all in one term
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GoldenX86_64
They are all under the DLSS umbrella though
yes, that's what subset means
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:14 AM
FG SR RR, all two letters (edited)
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 2:14 AM
and then they have a numbering scheme that doesn't work
2:15 AM
3.5 means it could have rr but no fg or worse fg no rr
2:15 AM
then you have dlss "3" games without fg
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or rr
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:15 AM
It's exactly like USB, you have no clue of what you get
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yeah, because that's the number of the dlss version
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every component has a version now, and they're all up around 3.5
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:15 AM
Nvidia named USB, confirmed
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though i do agree they should force publishers to use the whole subset
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if you have DLSS 3.5, and no RR/FG - you have the latest temporal upscaler
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:16 AM
Problem is, nowhere you are told that's just SR
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but then it becomes useless if the game doesn't use RT, because then you don't need RR
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:16 AM
RR for SSR when
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exio4
NVIDIA's frame gen is feature is locked through hardware, not versions, you still get Reflex from the frame gen requirements/suite
@GoldenX86_64 compile the OFA benchmark
2:16 AM
it's part of the encoder, and i can't test shit here
2:16 AM
turing doesn't have all the API shit
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 2:17 AM
Not in my desktop PC, but I will be tomorrow for that night (edited)
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I have to fix my remote access
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the OFA benchmark should be funny
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ofa deez
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the lower end cards do have lower OFA throughput
2:19 AM
because they clock the encoder lower
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but usually encoder clocks mean jack shit lol
2:20 AM
and 4070 Ti Super and up have dual encoders, dunno if they double up OFA
2:20 AM
but it might explain why FG on lower end cards is underwhelming at 4K
2:20 AM
either way, 4060 should still outperform 3090
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exio4
"RX 580", "RX five-eighty" "4070 Super", "forty-seventy Super" "ryzen 3600" , "ryzen thirty-six hundred" all of those sound neat
"7900 XTX," = "Seventy-nine hundred Ex-Tee-Ex"
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lol, i hadn't seen the performance comparison between the 7900xt and the 4070 super in cyberpunk
2:30 AM
@exio4 when are you changing to team red?
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Awesomeangotti 2/13/2024 2:30 AM
So many abreviations!
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Egdarska
@exio4 when are you changing to team red?
why do u insult me like that
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it's only 50% slower
2:31 AM
do they make a 7900 without letters? lol
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i'd imagine it would be around 4050 performance, since losing just one X is 1/6 the performance
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did you check phantom liberty path traced benchmarks
2:33 AM
iirc 7900 XTX is around 4070 performance there
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i think it was rt overdrive
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yeah "path tracing" (edited)
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but at least the xtx only costs almost twice as much
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Egdarska
but at least the xtx only costs almost twice as much
yes, nvidia offers twice the performance per dollar 👍
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i still don't get what amd's thought behidn the pricing was
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raster
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"we're cheaper than THEIR flagship"
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it is just raster
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our flagship is shit tho
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xtx missed targets
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exio4
it is just raster
cool, for the 20% of games that are fully raster now
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it was supposed to be 30% faster
2:36 AM
than it actually was
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that's just how amd goes
2:37 AM
"it was supposed to be ***"
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Egdarska
cool, for the 20% of games that are fully raster now
well, yea but if you are a “upscaling denialist” + “rt is too demanding” person; you just think those are tech demos
2:37 AM
im excited to see the fsr2 vs dlss 1080p comparison
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i've done that already, with re4
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Upscaling denialist? kek
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fsr2 is, uh
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tim from hardware unboxed checked dlss at 1080p and said “its mid, sometimes its usable tho”
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it's better than bilinear i guess
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and hes checking fsr2 next
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FSR2 on quality is just fine
2:38 AM
Granted I play at 4K
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Moonlacer
Upscaling denialist? kek
you have to ignore the quality of upscaling to accept amds performance claims
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i have used dlss at 1080p with 75% resolution and it's Fine™️
2:39 AM
fsr2 at any quality at 1080p is just worthless, just use the native taa upscaling
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otherwise you already need to ask amd for a 50% performance advantage
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exio4
you have to ignore the quality of upscaling to accept amds performance claims
It gives me about 20-30% more performance on Ratchet and Clank
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Moonlacer
It gives me about 20-30% more performance on Ratchet and Clank
image quality
2:40 AM
check XeSS on Ratchet
2:41 AM
need an fsr2 version
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its gonna look better and while performing worse (amd hardware moment), offer better IQ
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Egdarska
need an fsr2 version
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Yes, I've compared the two
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there we go
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Not noticeable in 4K apart from some shimmering differences, which appear differently with every method
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yea now try fsr2 performance
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also funny thing, fsr2 is just barely better than the native upscaling in re4, but that's only because the native taa is fucked
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and dlss performance
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exio4
yea now try fsr2 performance
No
2:42 AM
That's unreasonable
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Moonlacer
No
this is what makes 4K viable on lower end gpus
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"4K"
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fsr is useless once you upgrade your monitor
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Moonlacer
"4K"
and? a 4K tv or monitor can be had for cheap
2:43 AM
the fact that dlss is fine and fsr2 is useless is an amd L here
2:44 AM
4k + dlss performance still looks better than 1080p native
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and if we bring 1080p native, DLAA is the best TAA rn
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for context, 1440p + dlss quality holds up and is rendering sub 1080p
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for 1080p like performance
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Native resolution still wins octolingSip
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Awesomeangotti 2/13/2024 2:49 AM
I can force native dci 4k on my 3070
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It hardly holds itself together
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Moonlacer
Native resolution still wins octolingSip
native resolution as a pure concept has been dead for like 12 years
2:50 AM
the pixels you ultimately push matter
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but 1440p => 4K with FSR1 + no AA would look worse than DLSS Balanced at 4K
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the quality of upscaling matters
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and before you say "oh-uh but upscaling is not native"
2:51 AM
games render shit at non-native resolutions all the time, in fact, Cyberpunk 2077 defaults to tier 2 VRS on VRS-capable GPUs
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even the render buffers that are native resolution aren't fully native resolution (edited)
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it does disable VRS on upscaling, funnily enough
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so DLAA is very demanding in cyberpunk 2077
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@exio4 one of these is native resolution, the other is dlss quality
2:54 AM
the biggest issue i have with fsr2 isn't pure IQ in stills
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it's that everything fucking shimmers
2:54 AM
it fails hard at anti-aliasing
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no bruh, that's native with no fsr
2:55 AM
i forgot to take fsr comparisons, but i'm just saying fsr is only an improvement over the native taa because the native implementation is so shit
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i mean
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in those screenshots
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my gut feeling is that the aliased image is the native TAA
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because aliasing is like, what DLSS/DLAA are excellent at dealing
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nvidia has basically created the best value anti-aliasing so far, it even improves your framerate at times, insane to think about that
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yeah, it's not really aliasing per se, if you disable taa the aliasing doesn't look that chunky
2:56 AM
it's fucking up something else
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bro what
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did they make TAA CREATE aliasing
2:56 AM
...
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yeah, it's straight up broken
2:57 AM
it destroys diagonal lines
2:57 AM
r/FuckTAA is into something
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but some lines look fine
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if they're on AMD and they look at this
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nah, that's just capcom
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i understand why they're pissed
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they've had issues with taa with rengine since re2, and some games are better but usually it's like this
2:58 AM
dmc5 looks fine for example
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btw do you own some of the nixxes games
2:58 AM
what are ur thoughts there of DLSS
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my guess is someone on the team is fucking up some variables for the taa
2:59 AM
i think i only used dlss in horizon zero dawn
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nixxes being spiderman / miles morales / ratchet and clank
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because i only played spiderman on the 1060
2:59 AM
their native upscaling was fine
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yeah but dlss on spiderman to me is insane because its one of the games i notice its issues the least
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i haven't looked at it, i might download it again later
3:00 AM
i never finished it
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pretty reliably dlaa / dlss is better than native taa, i usually don't even check native
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you're at 4K
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the only time i thought native upscaling was better was in control, and that was because of dlss 1 (edited)
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i have yet to play control w/ DLSS2
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it's pretty good
3:02 AM
the game has a lot of mesh surfaces and it's very noisy, dlss takes care of most of it
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even the global reflection noise
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fucktaa is right because consoles don't have dlss and so many developers fuck that shit up
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i have said before
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console issue tbh
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shoutouts to ffvii rebirth for the latest why god moment
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xbox series S is cucked due to AMD's incompetence here
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greggle
shoutouts to ffvii rebirth for the latest why god moment
what did they do?
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Xbox Series S rendering at 540p on demanding areas, 800p on a good day
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would be fine... if they could use DLSS, it'd look blurry but the IQ would be consistent, FSR2 just ruins the image
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exio4
Xbox Series S rendering at 540p on demanding areas, 800p on a good day
damn, must be a light game
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nothing specific, just that game in general is tough to look at on console
3:04 AM
just buy it on pc
3:04 AM
oh wait
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first we gotta wait for it to come to epic games store then wait for it to release on pc (edited)
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can't wait for the full trilogy package for only $210 $180
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rebirth already comes with remake for free
3:07 AM
i'll let you decide what that says about how well remake sold
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i was confused as to how windows had spatial audio and it was transparency mode + the video coming out of my speakers
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will it be the same for pc?
3:08 AM
also, do they reimburse the dummies that bought the remake?
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exio4
i was confused as to how windows had spatial audio and it was transparency mode + the video coming out of my speakers
sometimes my hearing aids connect to the tv and i don't get why everyone is looking around
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they're selling a standard edition of rebirth that just includes rebirth for 70 eagles and a twin package that includes rebirth and remake for... 70 eagles
3:09 AM
so no, they're still trying to scam you into accidentally not buying both
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there's the square enix i know
3:09 AM
i guess those nfts didn't work out
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i have redbull
3:10 AM
its midnight
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Can't believe you didn't catch on to the money making heist of the decade, SMH
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time to pop some meds
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also, i don't know if this is an issue with airpods in transparency mode, but with my buds it's really hard to tell the location of backup alarms
3:11 AM
like, that sound is normally kinda hard to pinpoint, and with the hearing aids it's almost impossible
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but i haven't been run over so far so 🤷‍♂️
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I need more time 😔
3:12 AM
I haven't seen much about hardware news in the last 3 months other than the highlights, and I really miss it
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the issue i have with transparency mode on my 🍎 👂 🎧 is that if there's a lot of noise happening they start becoming less "spatial"?, but for only a few noises, i have forgotten i have put them too many times lol
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yeah, i think that's an issue with any multi-microphone array
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but like, crowded restaurant with people around in every direction, cars passing by, it does get harder to pinpoint where each noise is coming from
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good thing i don't work in a noisy as fuck place
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sarcasm btw
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i can't hear shit at work, too many noises
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you can still tell vaguely, cars coming from "behind", but you can't tell their speed other than through sheer "distance"
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yeah, i can usually still tell it's from "the left", but no specific angle
3:15 AM
in a silent room with the buds i can tell almost exactly where the noise is coming from
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but like, i'm on my own room now, with the earbuds, and my keyboard sounds like it is coming from... the keyboard? it is 99.999% of the way to not having anything on my ears
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yeaa
3:15 AM
same thing
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we need more microphones
3:17 AM
i don't know if you also have this problem, but someone i know says he does, where with some earbuds that have transparency+voice boosting mode, it boosts some noises that overlap human voice frequencies
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so things like air filtration systems are loud as fuck
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where you can barely hear them normally
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Egdarska
i don't know if you also have this problem, but someone i know says he does, where with some earbuds that have transparency+voice boosting mode, it boosts some noises that overlap human voice frequencies
i dont think apple's adaptive transparency mode is doing much on this regard
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the voice feature i noticed is more about tuning down the noise cancellation dynamically
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so it "opens" the frequencies through the ANC
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Egdarska
so things like air filtration systems are loud as fuck
I've had that issue with every pair of ANC earbuds I've used (edited)
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@Egdarska if you ever buy an amd gpu, the alpha translation layer gives you a 20% boost on blender 🙏
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exio4
@Egdarska if you ever buy an amd gpu, the alpha translation layer gives you a 20% boost on blender 🙏
that's about as likely as me buying a mac
3:31 AM
20% boost on 30% performance is 36% of the performance
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 3:41 AM
Daily reminder the 3050 is still the lowest offer for DLSS
3:41 AM
The comparison of FSR should be against XeSS
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Since DLSS lacks the generic hardware feature
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FSR and XeSS DP4a isn't a fair fight either
3:42 AM
FSR gets destroyed
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you want to compare FSR2 with breaking your monitor for it to become a good solid option at normal resolutions lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 3:51 AM
It's a tradeoff of quality Vs gaining performance
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Ask 1650 and Vega iGPU users what they prefer, those two are the most common users
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my steamdeck gets better performance on FSR2 true
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the only downside is the image is unusable
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but i guess it's better than accepting 35 fps instead of 40
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 3:53 AM
When you want to play a game with low end hardware, what gets you closer to 60 FPS is more important
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And XeSS is too heavy there
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doesn't vega have dp4a though
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 3:54 AM
Each of the 3 has its use
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if you said polaris you'd have a point
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GoldenX86_64
Each of the 3 has its use
yeah obsolete hardware - fsr2 modern amd hardware - xess dp4a arc gpus - xess xmx nvidia - dlss
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 3:55 AM
Basically
3:55 AM
Would be fun to see how slow DLSS on AMD is over Cuda
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DLSS 3.5 Integration marks a new era of real-time rendering, plus explore winter worlds with 3D artist Michael Gilmour this week ‘In the NVIDIA Studio.’
3:58 AM
blender with ray reconstruction is going to be so funny
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that one is a solution for basically real time raytracing using blender scenes
4:00 AM
so not quite cycles
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but if ray reconstruction ever comes to blender natively it's even more joever for amd
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animations in minutes with full quality cycles rendering
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dude, ray reconstruction with like, >32 samples per pixel would be funny as fuck
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yeah
4:03 AM
for animation, 512 samples is considered "low" right now
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that's smashing render times
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this would likely make the work of artists like 500x better lol
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it's kinda like when denoising first came to blender, even though the original denoiser was absolute shit
4:04 AM
it meant you could do 2000 samples instead of 20,000
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dude i can't wait for this, it's gonna go so hard
4:05 AM
my fucking 2060 super is gonna keep getting finewine
4:05 AM
i swear, i expected nvidia to have made all the new dlss shit to be exclusive to 40 series by now, just for the bigger performance budget of big tensor cores
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one of the problems is that dlss isn't open source
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so they'd have to have you download it separately, like optix at the beginning
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that is fine tbh
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it was kind of a pain setting up optix at first
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i'd expect all the wiring to be left there as optional the same way it'd work on an amd gpu otherwise, and you drop the .dll somewhere (which could be automated) and it just works™️
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>By upgrading to a GeForce RTX 40 Series GPU, Gilmour could use NVIDIA DLSS Frame Generation to further improve viewport interactivity by tapping AI to generate additional, high-quality frames, ensuring increased FPS rendered at lower resolution while retaining high-fidelity detail.
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dude i can't even
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yeah, dlss is different because it's all in a dll
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they are adding dlss frame generation to the viewport hahahahhahaHHAHAHAHAA
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optix was weird
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you had to integrate it into your cuda environment
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swapping original files around and hoping nothing broke
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i know this is different (edited)
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cuz
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i cannot cope with this
4:08 AM
it is fucking funny how we've now in the age where we have a practical monopoly where you have an image quality advantage by going to a specific brand
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we've come full circle
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you didn't get to see the days of gpu specific apis
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AMD could release a RTX 50 series competitor tomorrow, and NVIDIA delay theirs until 2026 and just giving up some margins would make AMD gpus stay on shelves lol
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you'd buy a game and it would look modern on a voodo card and shit on everything else
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have you ever looked up the glide api?
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i remember it existing
4:10 AM
and it being the standard
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most people know it because of a fork that was used in the n64 emulator
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but it was an exclusive api competing with og opengl
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i dont follow n64 emulation
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and it was pretty cool
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yeah its the 3dfx one iirc
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3dfx == voodoo? i think?
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yeah
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Glide is a 3D graphics API developed by 3dfx Interactive for their Voodoo Graphics 3D accelerator cards. It started as a proprietary API, and was later open sourced by 3dfx. It was dedicated to rendering performance, supporting geometry and texture mapping primarily, in data formats identical to those used internally in their cards. Wide adopti...
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>However, just before it ceased operations and had its assets purchased by Nvidia, 3dfx released the Glide API, along with the Voodoo 2 and Voodoo 3 specifications, under an open source license
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wait, 3dfx was bought by nvidia? LOL
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yeah
4:12 AM
it's how they got sli
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i thought they had purchased assets in bankruptcy or something
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i think that was another company's assets they bought
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nvidia is wild to me tbh
4:13 AM
it sounds like an awesome place to work in too
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to the point that everybody working from before like 2019 or so
4:13 AM
is a multi-millionaire now because of stock shit
4:14 AM
and they had trouble making people work
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lol
4:15 AM
intel please save us
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oh @Egdarska i checked customs shit
4:16 AM
i could buy an A380 for like $300
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i lowkey wanna check real XeSS XMX
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that seems about right
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in the ideal world i could pick an A770 16G
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i've heard the experience finetuning LLMs is actually not that bad
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it isn't like AMD where your linux userspace randomly crashes
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this was funny
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4:18 AM
i remember people saying theirs was better because glide is "blurry"
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glide also applied anti aliasing
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Matrox there got fucked 💀
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Egdarska
glide also applied anti aliasing
somebody i've talked with said DLAA looks worse than native in many games because its too blurry so that checks out
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exio4
Matrox there got fucked 💀
matrox had issues
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and their clips all had insane aliasing issues / shimmering
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it couldn't do blending, so it just checkered any blended texture
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also, this is fucking funny
4:21 AM
we're back to square 1
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brand-specific ways of making games look better
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mipmapping was a gimmick bro
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voodoo doesn't know what to make up to sell cards
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Egdarska
mipmapping was a gimmick bro
mipmaps are cringe
4:21 AM
were u following those like, back in the day
4:21 AM
idk how old u are
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not really, i just had a cousin who had lots of them
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i'm 34
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so i was too young to have my own
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you're not that old lol
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but he used to rant about them and then i'd play with them
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that explains why you're relatable, you're not old, just not a kid
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i swear you talked like you were in your late 40s
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i'm old compared to the average discord user
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so i am
4:23 AM
👍
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i'm trying to remember the name of that one racing game that looked like it was running on a genesis with every other card
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but it was properly 3d with glide
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talking about genesis
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i hate sega for never releasing virtua racing 32x on another platform
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like, everything was replaced by billboards if you didn't have glide
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and no lighting
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raytracing is a gimmick
4:24 AM
wait wrong decade
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exio4
i hate sega for never releasing virtua racing 32x on another platform
you'll die salty about that
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Egdarska
you'll die salty about that
no
4:24 AM
once ive got enough money i'll semi-retire for a few years and do it myself
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there's lots of games that are stuck in old consoles
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if sega doesn't do it
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the ds has a lot of games that are not only ds exclusive, but japan exclusive
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there's a really nice flight sim combat game on ds, japan only
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luckily you can bullshit your way around it
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https://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2011/01/retro-tech-analysis-virtua-racing-md-vs.html "rendering at 320x240" but actually it is 320x192 because of black borders, >Here, we see a solid 20fps update providing a clear extra level of fluidity above that of the MD version. at 20 fps
Well, here’s the final part of our Christmas/New Year holiday coverage. Having mostly been put together after hours outside of a busy period...
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15 fps on the megadrive version
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256x192 @ 15 fps for the MD version
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with much reduced render distance, etc
4:28 AM
I wish I could play this game at 6K@120 vsync'd or something
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those were the dark days
4:31 AM
glad to see consoles have brought us back
4:31 AM
i still remember playing f-zero x after ocarina of time
4:31 AM
i didn't know what frame rate was but damn it looked so fluid
4:31 AM
60fps vs 20
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Egdarska
those were the dark days
tbf this is a 2D console "forced" to 3D
4:32 AM
.... with software rendering lol
4:33 AM
i'd not even think a modern system would struggle with software rendering this at decent resolution/framerates
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yeah, drastic uses software rendering and that's nitnendo ds on android
4:34 AM
can do 2x resolution too, runs on almost anything
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Egdarska
yeah, drastic uses software rendering and that's nitnendo ds on android
wack
4:40 AM
I think at high enough resolutions & framerates, you are gonna start hitting memory bandwidth bottlenecks
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31 GB/s
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2160p60 @ 64 bytes per pixel of memory bandwidth required
4:43 AM
i mean, on a high-end m*c, you can kinda ignore this, you have GPU-levels of memory bandwidth off the CPU
4:43 AM
"ah yes 200 GB/s of memory bandwidth for a cpu"
4:44 AM
you'd ideally still try to fit within caches, though
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wasn't that the issue with the x360? kinda
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PS3 emulation is a bit one struggling with this
4:44 AM
the weird hybrids Sony put together are... GPU-like? and CPU-like? and neither?
4:45 AM
so you need to emulate them on your CPU, but they expect GPU-like bandwidth and throughput
4:45 AM
it is why they were good at Some Things™️
4:45 AM
they were basically proto-gpu-compute-accelerators, the goal was to do software rendering or something like that iirc
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it could either fit a full 720p image in the edram, or a lower res one with msaa
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ohh i don't remember that from xbox
4:46 AM
i thought you meant emulation related
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so most games went with sub 720p and msaa which looks nicer
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my bad :meow:
4:46 AM
that's not a bad deal tbh
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exio4
they were basically proto-gpu-compute-accelerators, the goal was to do software rendering or something like that iirc
they're abominations
4:47 AM
they had like 2-3 workloads where they made sense
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they would have made been fine
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but they sucked at doing full cpu and full gpu work
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if they hadn't... leaned into it
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the only reason they used them for the ps3 was because the dude that came up with them was involved and he just wanted to shove them in there
4:48 AM
and everyone else was too much of a pussy to tell him to fuck off
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like, if you told you had 3c6t + 2 SPU + a normal GPU, it'd have been great, as an edge for them, you can develop something normal and find an use for them eventually, like tensor-core-tier
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yeah, the spus are amazing as helpers
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Turing had tensor cores tacked along, but they didn't ship a 2080 Ti that got outperformed by a 1060
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if they'd had a gpu and used the spus for everything after rendering it would have made their games look so much better than x360 it wouldnhave given them an actual edge
4:49 AM
specially by the mid-late generation where most of the graphics came from post processing
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there were a lot of innovatives from sony games that were like "oh so we had SPUs we had no fucking clue what to do with, so we told the engineers to go hard"
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having dedicated post processing units would have meant not using half of the gpu power for it
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innovative techniques*
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back then doing shitty gaussian dof took like 1.2ms at 720p lmao
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i read some papers from like 2006 on graphics shit
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and they were doing it at half res, so 360p
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and it blew me how shit we don't even think about was measured in ms there
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yeah
4:52 AM
ssao was out of the question for most games
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i can't remember what it was, it was like sampling some texture at native resolution too many times caused the effect to go from 1ms to 4 and im like ???
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tonemapping had to be taken into consideration
4:52 AM
now it's just one of a hundred steps in the final preparation of the image
4:52 AM
you don't have to think about it
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its why modern games cant “scale back” to old graphics
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also the reason why bloom was so shit
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and people struggle to get that
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it could only use one render target, so they just turned the opacity to 500
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like, variable rate shading would sound deranged 20 years ago
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instead of being like 5-6 levels with different strengths
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“so you are telling me you do that much work, just to avoid rendering bits of a buffer, and you do this half a dozen times?”
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exio4
like, variable rate shading would sound deranged 20 years ago
vrs is reverse msaa
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Egdarska
vrs is reverse msaa
tier 1 is
4:55 AM
tier 2 is much better
4:55 AM
i dislike tier 1
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i can't remember that one x360 game that would run into the low single digits when there was blur on screen
4:55 AM
and they weren't using separable gaussian blur
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but tier 2 is much more expensive and complicated
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and the blur radius wasn't insane, it was just like a heat shimmer effect, probably 10 pixels
4:56 AM
but bruh
4:57 AM
even with a mask i can't even imagine how long it would take a 2006 gpu to do 100 samples per pixel at 720p
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sonys funny cores would have given ps3 an insane lead used exclusively this way (edited)
4:58 AM
instead of trying to render everything cpu related on 1 single core, and relying on SPEs for normal crap
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just freeing the ps3 from having to use quincunx would have been a huge win
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did you watch alexs video on TA
4:59 AM
TAA
5:00 AM
i watched a bit
5:00 AM
this was an issue in a lot of multiplatform games
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the x360 version would be high res but aliased, or low res but smooth, and the ps3 would be both low res and blurry as fuck, but still aliased lol
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DLAA did better at AA at times than naive 8x SSAA (edited)
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makes sense, you need insane downsampling to get rid of temporal instability
5:01 AM
it's why i fucking hate fxaa and anyone who uses it
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fxaa is great bro
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kotaku pls
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i havent used fxaa much, usually i played with AA off back then and now i just use DLAA or supersample with DLDSR for older games
5:03 AM
as pure AA
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Egdarska
kotaku pls
one of my hot takes is that FuckTAA should be happier with games designed for upscaling because that means buffers get rendered at higher resolutions to improve the quality of the upscaling
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exio4
i havent used fxaa much, usually i played with AA off back then and now i just use DLAA or supersample with DLDSR for older games
did i get lucky
5:06 AM
btw @Egdarska have u read through SMAA paper
5:07 AM
its a kinda proto DLSS, they do a temporal supersample and then try to design the spatial anti aliasing to account for these
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exio4
btw @Egdarska have u read through SMAA paper
yeah, smaa is pretty cool as far as post process aa goes
5:52 AM
it's the same process as jpg compression, if you look at small enough blocks, everything follows the same basic shapes
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Egdarska
it's the same process as jpg compression, if you look at small enough blocks, everything follows the same basic shapes
part of me wonders what kind of FSR1-like upscaling could be implemented with optical flow analysis + basic reshade-like injection tbh
5:55 AM
generic DLSS one day
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it will probably be pretty decent by the time something is available
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one day
6:24 AM
i want the fsr3 vs dlss3 video from alex
6:26 AM
DLSS FG is apparently much higher quality than FSR3 (which seems to match what I experienced, DLSS FG at 60 => 120 fps, had no funny visual glitches, but I have yet to see an FSR3 in-between frame that looks 'weirdly native' lol)
6:26 AM
it's still good enough because smoothness is important
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:33 AM
DLFG is just better
6:33 AM
the frametimes feel more consistent compared to fsr3
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i also wish i had an ampere & ada gpu
6:35 AM
to benchmark OFA on 'em
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:38 AM
ofa?
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optical flow analysis
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the hardware bit that DLSS Frame Generation uses to find what moved between frames alongside motion vectors (edited)
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it does it at full resolution
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:46 AM
kk
6:46 AM
i just didn't understand the abreviation lol
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fixed wording to make it clearer (edited)
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:55 AM
i can't wait for the rtx 50 series
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with
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DLSS Frame gen x2
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double the interpolated frames!
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what more could you want!
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no generational uplift
6:55 AM
aside from the price
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I want DLSS Frame Reprojection
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:56 AM
yes
6:56 AM
i actually 100% agree
6:56 AM
i feel nvidia could work some black magic
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Frame Gen is cool but doesn't scale
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:56 AM
actually
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well I mean it does, but not on input lag
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:56 AM
theoretically
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frame reprojection could lower lag, improve smoothness, and ultimately break the idea of native rendering beyond anything we've seen so far yet
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:57 AM
real frame -> reprojected frame -> interpolated frame -> real frame
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I feel like reprojection would be a different setting
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exio4
frame reprojection could lower lag, improve smoothness, and ultimately break the idea of native rendering beyond anything we've seen so far yet
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:57 AM
technically speaking we've already seen a rudimentary implementation
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it can introduce more artifacts but improve input latency
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:57 AM
the internet lost it's mind for a bit over it
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SadSinglePringle
technically speaking we've already seen a rudimentary implementation
?
6:58 AM
Application SpaceWarp (AppSW) is a developer-driven optimization technology that can unlock extra computation power for suitable content. In our initial testing, Application SpaceWarp gave applications up to 70 percent additional compute, potentially with little to no perceptible artifacts.
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inope
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:58 AM
some random dude
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yeah that demo
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:58 AM
made a lil game
6:58 AM
demo ye
6:58 AM
still it's pretty good
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AppSW is actually shipping in real games
6:58 AM
lol
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:58 AM
meh
6:58 AM
just waiting for nvidia to say they trippled frame rates
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:59 AM
i'm going to be honest for a moment
6:59 AM
why the hell does windows need an upscaler?
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assassin's creed nexus & asgard's wrath 2 both use it
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SadSinglePringle
why the hell does windows need an upscaler?
Xbox
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:59 AM
no like
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if they work on it for Xbox - might as well ship it for windows users
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:59 AM
they're making an upscaler
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:59 AM
for applications
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no, it's for games
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 6:59 AM
no its for apps
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GoldenSun3DS
I just ordered a second (used) RTX 4060 Ti 16GB off eBay for $413 after taxes.
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:59 AM
I think I might actually try to make a game using AI for things like story dialog, sprites and maybe even music. I think as long as you are good at prompting, keep good notes on things like character descriptions and plot history and use a very large model with very large context (essentially memory/RAM for the AI), you could write a very compelling novel with AI for converting your story ideas into a novelization. I'm not good at writing a story with prose or that feels good to read, so AI opens up the possibility that someone like me could actually write a good story. But you definitely need powerful hardware with multiple high VRAM NVidia GPUs to get the speed good enough to use AI LLMs for work purposes. For work, it's not good enough to just wait 10-20 minutes (or an hour) for it to ouput 500 words of high quality text.
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SadSinglePringle
no its for apps
if you mean the new thing it's for games
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:00 AM
ok
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they are working on a MetalFX competitor basically, apparently has both a spatial & temporal mode
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:00 AM
it is for games
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but it also works for application for some reason
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spatial upscalers do that yes
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:00 AM
atleast thats what some news articles are saying
7:00 AM
not sure how true it is however
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FSR1 works on apps too
7:01 AM
but apparently it's for games
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SadSinglePringle
it is for games
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exio4
but apparently it's for games
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:01 AM
is it for anything really?
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they just won't disable it for non-gaming apps, but it's for games
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@Egdarska there's apparently a temporal one too
7:02 AM
and it can run on the NPU - akin to MetalFX Quality on iPhone lol
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"Microsoft is also working on an improved color management feature for Windows 11, "
7:02 AM
improved implies they have working color management right now
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SadSinglePringle
is it for anything really?
a decent spatial upscaler is good for somebody doing 4K gaming, you can ideally do 1440p to 4K on lower end cards and get most of the way there without having to suffer the bandwidth & overhead of upscaling to that resolution and a temporal AI-driven upscaler is Microsoft's XeSS/DLSS
7:04 AM
so
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:04 AM
ehhh
7:04 AM
dlss is more than enough tbh
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DLSS is nvidia-only
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:05 AM
every game supports it anyways
7:05 AM
i know
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i love it, but a competitor that runs on every vendor would be very much appreciated
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:05 AM
it's more than enough for me
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this is Microsoft working on thier upscaler because next-gen Xbox is likely AMD too
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:05 AM
honestly anything i say right now take with a huge grain of salt i'm in the middle of an all nighter and i haven't had much sleep for the past couple of days
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i am supposed to be working
7:06 AM
i hate adhd
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:06 AM
ME TOOOOOO
7:06 AM
i've got a whole project to be doing rn, but i'm out of caffeine and i think my medicine is wearing off
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:07 AM
indeed
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exio4
this is Microsoft working on thier upscaler because next-gen Xbox is likely AMD too
they have no faith in amd making a decent one
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Egdarska
they have no faith in amd making a decent one
everything points to Microsoft & Sony forcing AMD to make RDNA5 competent too (edited)
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Egdarska
they have no faith in amd making a decent one
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:08 AM
(and they'd be right based on the current showing)
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exio4
everything points to Microsoft & Sony forcing AMD to make RDNA5 competent too (edited)
so rdna4 is written off lol
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:08 AM
the freaking switch two could be better than the ps5 when it comes to visuals, because amds sitting on their ass
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nah it will still be mobile hardware
7:09 AM
but it will probably have a better upscaler
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:09 AM
yeah that's fair
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that's the joke
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:09 AM
honestly tho
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it'll be more pleasant to look at heavily upscaled DLSS than FSR2 failing to do 360p to 4K
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:09 AM
from the leaks people have been doing isn't it going to be based on the T320 or something like that?
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allegedly
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:09 AM
yeah
7:10 AM
someone was doing some testing with comparable hardware with a bit of forced bottlenecking
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(digital foundry)
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:10 AM
if it's not a heavily limited version of the T320 it will actually be a pretty powerful handheld
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exio4
(digital foundry)
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:10 AM
yeah
7:11 AM
and if they can use that giant ai accelerator then it'll mitigate a good chunk of the performance loss from dlss when docked
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idk memory bandwidth will still be a bottleneck
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:11 AM
that's the biggest worry in my opinion
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it's gonna have mobile hardware memory bandwidth lol
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:11 AM
memory is gonna make or break the system
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the iphone ports of games are actually memory bound
7:12 AM
from what i've seen
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the best most optimistic leak places it at 1/3 of the mobile 3060
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its fine
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which is honestly kinda alright for a handheld i guess
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theyll make totk 60 fps and everybody will say its a PS5 killer
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:12 AM
lmao
7:12 AM
also how much do they really need?
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Egdarska
which is honestly kinda alright for a handheld i guess
i dont think it can get that good on a handheld
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they could port rat game 2 at 60fps 480p with dlss
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:12 AM
it's not like nintendo is planning on running realistic games
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it's nintendo
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it's not just realism
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Samsara Da King 2/13/2024 7:13 AM
I'm assuming everyone here has Yuzu working right?
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there's lots of things that are heavier to run than they look
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Samsara Da King
I'm assuming everyone here has Yuzu working right?
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:13 AM
yes
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Egdarska
there's lots of things that are heavier to run than they look
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:13 AM
oh i know trust me
7:13 AM
but we've seen what they can do with the switch
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Egdarska
there's lots of things that are heavier to run than they look
what iwll be the first game to use rt on switch (edited)
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people usually think cel shaded is easier to run but it depends on implementation
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SadSinglePringle
yes
Samsara Da King 2/13/2024 7:13 AM
Would it be possible for you to dm me as I kinda need some assistance.
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:14 AM
and the jump from switch to 1/3 3060 would be insane
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Samsara Da King
Would it be possible for you to dm me as I kinda need some assistance.
#support-windows #support-linux or whatevr, this is the vibing section of the server pls
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Samsara Da King
Would it be possible for you to dm me as I kinda need some assistance.
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:14 AM
Sure
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exio4
what iwll be the first game to use rt on switch (edited)
a pokemon game
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Egdarska
a pokemon game
unreal engine game too
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it will look like scarlet but with rt tacked on
7:14 AM
and it will run at 20fps
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20 fps
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:15 AM
nah
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ok you are optimistic
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:15 AM
mario odyssey with rt
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i can't wait for nintendo epd to get their hands on modern hardware
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is epd the good subdivision
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luigi's mansion 4 is gonna be 🔥
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i want a cyberpunk port to ios
7:16 AM
😔
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lm3 was actually made by next level, but nintendo epd made all the good looking switch games
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:17 AM
mario odyssey with rt
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dlss
7:17 AM
dlfg
7:17 AM
dlrr
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the fact that nintendo games gonna get anti-aliasing is wild
7:18 AM
it only took them a bit longer than most of the industry 🙏
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:18 AM
a bit
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pikmin 4 does have taa
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i mean actually become standard
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there's actually a good number of switch games with taa, mostly ue4 games
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:18 AM
wait pikmin with ray tracing would actually look amazing
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pikmin ue5
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pikmin with lumen and nanite
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:19 AM
i'm going to go work at nintendo
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exio4
it only took them a bit longer than most of the industry 🙏
GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:19 AM
n64 had AA before anyone else
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:19 AM
get access to pikmin 5 source code
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:19 AM
there are switch games using msaa
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:19 AM
run it on pc with nanite and lumen
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GoldenX86_64
n64 had AA before anyone else
what AA did it do
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:20 AM
the only one back then
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exio4
what AA did it do
crusty pseudo-msaa and full screen aa
7:20 AM
aka a blur filter
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:20 AM
it has a form of msaa
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GoldenX86_64
the only one back then
you mean msaa, or ssaa, or full screen?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:20 AM
ssaa iirc
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lol
7:21 AM
ssaa would be insane
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no fucking way it did ssaa
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it didn't
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:21 AM
it had a poly edge msaa but it worked using the z buffer and an alpha
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it was a kind of almost msaa, with a single sample
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:21 AM
so the only way to use it was back to front
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>msaa >single sample
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then it just blurred the edges
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im lost
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:21 AM
(so it was never used)
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basically
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exio4
im lost
yeah, that's why i say pseudo-msaa
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:21 AM
1xmsaa
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it wasn't msaa
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:21 AM
so useless
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and the fullscreen blur i assume was proto-fxaa?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:22 AM
still first in the game with it, and with only 4mb
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it used the sample to calculate how far away the nearest triangle edge was and then just blurred it
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:22 AM
uh
7:22 AM
fxaa but only across the horizontal
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:22 AM
scanline fxaa kek
7:23 AM
while the ps1 tied verts to resolution giving us glorious wobbly graphics, nintendo had aa, and microcode working as a compute shader
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alright, so googling this, it seems like... the anti-aliasing was ... just blur
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mostly yeah
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:23 AM
you don't need more for a CRT
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(you do, but the hardware couldn't)
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n64 games look better when you force the aa off
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GoldenX86_64
you don't need more for a CRT
crts aren't magic
7:24 AM
they don't create anti aliasing
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:24 AM
no, they do something worse, along destroying your eyes
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:24 AM
agree to disagree
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even less at the low resolutions of the 64
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:24 AM
designers worked with crt in mind
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most games are 320x240
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:24 AM
which is how you end up with castlevania scenarios
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:25 AM
good use of "crt aa" was fucking art
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:25 AM
exactly
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3D games work differently
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there wasn't crt aa
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:25 AM
but dear god i'm happy crts are dead
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:25 AM
yeah
7:25 AM
low key crts suck
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also, CRTs can be pixel perfect
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:25 AM
i like my thin screen
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:25 AM
i like my eyes free of radiation
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don't go outside then
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exio4
a decent spatial upscaler is good for somebody doing 4K gaming, you can ideally do 1440p to 4K on lower end cards and get most of the way there without having to suffer the bandwidth & overhead of upscaling to that resolution and a temporal AI-driven upscaler is Microsoft's XeSS/DLSS
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
I wonder if it'd be possible to do dual GPU gaming where the other GPU is using all of its power on AI upscaling. You'd avoid the SLI issues because the game would only be running on a single GPU. I wonder what kind of resolution boost you could get if you dedicated all of something like an RTX 4060 to AI upscaling and/or Frame Generation.
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GoldenX86_64
i like my eyes free of radiation
SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
wait till he learns about light
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
it's not aimed directly to my eyes
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
electromagnetic radiation
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GoldenX86_64
it's not aimed directly to my eyes
no, it's just like 400 times more intense
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I wonder if it'd be possible to do dual GPU gaming where the other GPU is using all of its power on AI upscaling. You'd avoid the SLI issues because the game would only be running on a single GPU. I wonder what kind of resolution boost you could get if you dedicated all of something like an RTX 4060 to AI upscaling and/or Frame Generation.
uhhh, the biggest issue - you start hitting bottlenecks on PCIe bandwidth/latency & there's diminishing returns of spending that many resources on "AI upscaling"
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
but constant, not at a disgusting low refresh rate
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
yeah
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:26 AM
and without a fucking high pitch
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:27 AM
technically speaking it wouldn't have much affect would it?
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no, but neither would a crt
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:27 AM
the tensor cores work seperately from the rest of the gpu when it comes to dlss for example
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:27 AM
remember having to use 85hz to not get headaches?
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idk i just feel like CRTs are heavily overrated and anybody thinking of CRT blur is more thinking of composite blur than anything
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:27 AM
it's not like running it on the same gpu causes them to interfere with each other
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idk i just feel like CRTs are heavily overrated and anybody thinking of CRT blur is more thinking of composite blur than anything
GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:27 AM
nah, scanlines had their charm
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sometimes
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only in 2d era games
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it's not like running it on the same gpu causes them to interfere with each other
i think they mean like using an amd gpu
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the 2D games that used composite blur to do effects were a thing sure, but that's a different shit
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 7:28 AM
if you miss scanlines so much just use retroarch, a 4k oled, and a good pc
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the tensor cores work seperately from the rest of the gpu when it comes to dlss for example
not really
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i want a triple gpu setup with one gpu for rendering, one for physx, one for upscaling and fg
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tensor cores are somewhat separate, but not fully standalone, and they still have to share caches/etc
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:29 AM
get info from textures
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nah, scanlines had their charm
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 7:29 AM
Nah, scanlines or attempting to imitate CRT on a flat screen monitor (for stuff like emulating older games) just looks bad. Even if you get it absolutely perfect, it's inferior to not having the scanlines.
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i remember a buddy had a 960 with a 550 ti for physx
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:29 AM
i mean genuine scanlines, not shaders
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for the 4 games where that made a difference
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 7:30 AM
I still think genuine scanlines are bad
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:30 AM
let me guess, 3 were batman arkham games
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they were
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and borderlands
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GoldenSun3DS
Nah, scanlines or attempting to imitate CRT on a flat screen monitor (for stuff like emulating older games) just looks bad. Even if you get it absolutely perfect, it's inferior to not having the scanlines.
(they never looked good)
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:30 AM
but you get amazing stuff when taking advantage of it, like great hair drawings
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so much paper
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the dust and smoke looked cool
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in a low fi render way
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anything modern shits on it
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also, you can emulate CRT scalines on hiDPI monitors pretty well
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:31 AM
remember the rage when physx cards lost support?
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they did?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:31 AM
yeah, you used to be able to use a radeon and a physx, that got cut and after that, the card itself
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since compute shaders took over
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i still see a selection thing, i thought a second nvidia gpu would work
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and most newer games don't even do physx on the gpu
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:32 AM
no, i mean the actual physx card
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the dedicated one
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the shader shit for emulating CRTs is funny to me
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:33 AM
well, don't use it for cyberpunk, it's intended for snes games
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because the best way to emulate CRT's graphical quirks is pixel density
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:33 AM
ironically, yeah
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but the PC world is alergic to 4K 24" displays
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so
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:33 AM
i would pay the shit out of a 24 inches 4k display
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we're almost there, just one more push
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 7:39 AM
Also, even for games where the CRT effect is necessary to complete the visuals, that's more of the game developers of the time utilizing hardware tricks to achieve things that weren't possible otherwise. In those cases, the CRT scanlines are still not a good looking effect. They just fix a visual bug that is caused by not having them, and if you could mod the game to fix that visual bug without using scanlines, the game would look better without it.
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:39 AM
well, timetravel to back then and start selling oleds
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Runs gud
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640 x 480 @ 24" is 33 ppi 320 x 240 @ 24" (ignoring scanlines because 240 would be done through using even/odd frames on a 480i signal) = 16.7 2160p (3840x2160) would get reduced to 2880x2160 2160/480 = 4.5 2160/240 = 9 you have a 9x9 block to work if the pixels were square, and it gives you room create thin scanlines for ~effect~
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No, unfortunately our “update” routine is pretty much just “download the new stuff and overwrite any conflicts”. Renamed ones will not be moved around 😦
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Can't wait to have it back
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:53 AM
super resolution videos for rdna2 is also missing
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AL+ is missing for everyone kek
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And AFMF support for RDNA2 iGPUs
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AL+ is missing for RDNA3 owners, with no explanation as to why it needs to be RDNA3-exclusive
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It has to exist first before it gets to be tested
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:54 AM
at least nvidia gives me half assed excuses for their software locks
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The driver was public maybe a day before it got taken down
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:59 AM
@Moonlacer what software is similar to the overlay amd uses?
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the intel made one
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PresentMon?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 7:59 AM
that, thanks
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Wish I could talk about AL+ more
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I don't remember what was in the public driver, though, lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:01 AM
ndas suck eh
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Get Blink to send the MPR save
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The one gidoly sent isn't even a save file???
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Some of the newer AMD Ryzen processors come with an AI Engine (also called NPU or IPU) that works in Windows 11 including the Ryzen 9 7940HS, Ryzen 7
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1 year after launch, AMD's NPU is still borderline useless, even if it technically exists
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Intel's consumer NPU has existed for a month and it already has more support
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:05 AM
@Blinkhawk can you pass that metroid prime save already?
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https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2024/02/01/introducing-neural-processor-unit-npu-support-in-directml-developer-preview/ >NPU support in DirectML is only available for Intel® Core™ Ultra processers with Intel® AI Boost at this time. 👍
A developer preview of DirectML support for Intel® AI boost With the release of DirectML 1.13.1 and the ONNX Runtime 1.17, we are excited to announce developer preview support for NPU acceleration in DirectML, the machine learning platform
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exio4
Intel's consumer NPU has existed for a month and it already has more support
GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:05 AM
and i still can't play forza on intel drivers
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GoldenX86_64
and i still can't play forza on intel drivers
shows how hard gpu drivers are
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:06 AM
and how much focus is on ai
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can't wait to get even more tailored ads thanks to it
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honestly, not happy to have another powerdraw in the os trying to sell me trash
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apple has shipped NPUs for a while
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:14 AM
apple is not microsoft
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what do you think w12 will use them for, better paint.exe?
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they use them for face recognition (faceid), background blur, background noise reduction
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isn't that one of the things it will use NPUs for too?
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object segmentation / background removal (edited)
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exio4
apple has shipped NPUs for a while
haven't android oems done it too for a while?
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GoldenX86_64
what do you think w12 will use them for, better paint.exe?
yes
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:15 AM
audiochad
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their current background removal is ok but it will be better with npus
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haven't android oems done it too for a while?
i meant specifically laptops, but yeah - it's just that android socs have not had its NPUs let's say, be a focus like Apple lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:15 AM
yay, local copilot boo, more ads
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copilot won't run locally
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speciallly not on a normal NPU
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:15 AM
goodbye to the only plus
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GPT-3.5 is a 170B parameter
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that basically means you need >128GB of RAM to use it
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GPT-3.5 isn't very well optimized tho, you need smaller models
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but you'll still need like 32GB for good results lol
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kids in 2040 will make memes out of old discord logs
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:17 AM
and that means those npu are basically a marketing buff right now, if the only use is blurring and recognition oh and of course, routine recognition to provide more ads
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mfs with 1TB of l3 cache laughing at some dude complaining he needs 128GB of ram
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NPUs are not enabling something "new", they're enabling them to be done more efficiently
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Apple did their AI shit on intel cpus, without NPUs
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the trick? it pushed your battery life down to like 2 hours, now it doesn't even know it is running
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you can run gans on cpu lol
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or amd i guess, same thing
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turns out hardware designed to do something efficiently usually does it more efficiently
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:19 AM
it's mid at best then, guess it will be more interesting in the coming years
thonking 1
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GPUs usually are way more powerful than NPUs at AI shit, too, so you could technically see Microsoft do all this tomorrow, or yesterday
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for example, on my m*c, stable diffusion on the NPU takes much longer to run - something that'd take like 7 seconds off the GPU would need 12-13
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but the power consumption drops from 45W of having the GPU maxed out to ... like 15W lol
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turns out hardware designed to do something efficiently usually does it more efficiently
GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:21 AM
there's no killer use for NPUs yet
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wut
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:21 AM
it's a nice to have, not a WOW MUST HAVE
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there's no killer use for NPUs yet
"you can have a meeting with background noise removal without any (major) hit to battery life" is already a massive W
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:21 AM
meh
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there's no killer use for integrated sound processors yet
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:21 AM
not impressed
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iphones do background noise removal, and have done so for a few years
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it's like wow you have audio without a card
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big woop
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I mean, something stupidly basic, you know Apple Photos?
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they do all the "object identification" on-device
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google photos does it on the cloud™️
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:22 AM
i mean awesome, it saves a bit of battery life it's not a live or die feature to me
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just a novelty
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I mean, something stupidly basic, you know Apple Photos?
their OCR is also NPU accelerated too iirc
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novelty doesn't mean mundane, it's kinda the opposite
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the fact that the current npu use is mundane now is kind of the point
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it's something that improves the device without being a "feature"
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:24 AM
and it will be marketed as a feature everywhere
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because at some point soon the npu will be like having a media engine in your soc, it's just there
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yes, video acceleration was an advertised feature too
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this is like wondering why video encoding is a feature
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multi touch was an advertised feature
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:25 AM
that's my point, will be great in the near future, right now it's just a "meh, you made the 15w laptop cpu even more cramped in the die"
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i'm not following anymore
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it's using less power so ?
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Apple shipped their first NPUs just to help their faceID sensor, with the iphone X, that is when it was a "novelty without general purpose"
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:26 AM
and idling 99% of the time when it isn't using less power
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the same that your media engines are
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or your display engines if you only have 1 display plugged in
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also, i doubt the iphone's is idling at any time
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or uhhh, most of your cores, when you're not using them
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i also don't get the "when it isn't using less power"
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do you think it's always running full speed on idle?
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No idea what Windows 12 would use AI for other than the obvious small things
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On device Copilot seems too far out
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:28 AM
the one they made very clear is ad placement
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that irks me
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judging tehcnology by what microsoft does with it is also kinda dumb, they're microsoft
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they failed at making phones twice
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:28 AM
it's the use i will get
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Aye, and I think it's funny how many times they've already changed Copilot's location and deaign
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:28 AM
i don't get to buy apple devices
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so what use i get from npus is whatever samsung cooks, and microsoft
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nowadays you have on 🍎 using machine learning
  • Siri's speech to text model (they should improve it, fuckers) / their whole assistant
  • OCR
  • object segmentation ("pinch to select subject") / background removal
  • their text autocomplete is a small GPT-like model
  • tagging things (apple photos runs all on-device, it's potentially end-to-end encrypted with no way for Apple to see the actual content of pictures) "dog", "pet", "car", etc
  • camera background blur, background noise removal, forced-eye-contact-in-a-creepy-way (RTX Broadcast suite but Apple)
  • video editing features - also usable for 'small stuff' (tracking objects, etc)
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:31 AM
pretty solid
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https://developer.apple.com/machine-learning/api/ lol i google and they have most of these exposed as APIs
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i missed a few things
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:33 AM
sadly i'm not an use case for most of them kek
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that tracking objects thing is cool, can you export to like blender?
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for render compositing
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that tracking objects thing is cool, can you export to like blender?
... I mean, there's nothing that says you can't just write a plugin to call it directly from blender
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I assume just nobody has done it yet?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:34 AM
API is there
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like, I used this https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/macos-background-removal.1691/ (iirc, or a similar version)
This plugin provides a filter to remove a persons background using macOS' built-in Vision API. The filter can be found in the filters window under "Effect Filters". This means that it can be used on any type of source, not just Video Capture...
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for removing the background when i 'streamed' on my m*c
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it looks fine
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apparently there's way to get the motion tracked data into blender with third party apps
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this was a 3 Mbps stream
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don't mind that i cropped a small bit of a 1080p 3 Mbps stream ok
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Where mah pixels?
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i think it looks surprisingly ok, given it was re-encoding a mjpeg thing on the background too
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Was that H264 originally?
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the stream was H265
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:39 AM
did you encode it with a 7900xtx? kek
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the ai work is fine, but the camera didn't like 3mbps
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Built-in webcam, makes sense
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it's also a macbook webcam on a dimly lit room, on a small corner of the screen, on a 3Mbps H265 stream, that got re-compressed by youtube in real-time
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I've still never seen a good webcam in person, so I have reason to believe they don't exist
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nah I mean
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if I wanted peak webcam I could... have used the phone
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:41 AM
50mp to the rescue
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macOS automatically offers the option to use your iPhone as a camera if it is nearby
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50mp to the rescue
I'm a 12MP peasant
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Cheaping out on webcams, SMH
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this is unpatched cyberpunk on a base PS4
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Still better to have it built-in than use some janky external solution
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🙏 i wish i finished it
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:43 AM
sudden exio
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lol the old ui
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this isn't even the old UI
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this is the pre-launch UI
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it actually has a lot of weapon names changed too
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it confuses the fuck out of me when i look at the inventory, which takes multiple seconds to load
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Do you still have the physical copy?
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yes, it's next to me
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It didn't require a download, did it?
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Nice
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Sony moment
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it came in two blurays too
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:44 AM
give it a few years, it will be a good piece of history
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I may have to do that with Starfield if it launches on PS5
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Too bad it will be when the game only has half the amount of bugs
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I do plan on a proper full playthrough if I have a PS5 at one poiont
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point*
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:46 AM
you expect todd to fix something by then?
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because on a PS5 it won't crash (from running out of memory) and it will run much better
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:46 AM
heh wonder if we'll get a switch 2 port
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you expect todd to fix something by then?
Nah, it will be after the DLC launches which always brings way too many bugs in
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They inadvertently make their single player games live service
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:47 AM
ah yeah, if anyone uses edge, you have to do this
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On Linux?
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:48 AM
no idea if chrome does it, but seems like browsers can't load profiles
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windows too
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tested it on rodrigo's laptop
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either way
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excited for NPUs 🙏
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:48 AM
i wanna see more use for them
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for example, Intel's NPU can already be used for separating tracks on audacity
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:48 AM
that's cool af
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18+ song, just as a content warning, dunno if I can add spoiler tags to files
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@GoldenX86_64 ^ this is a test I did, it can run on CPU too, but of course, a NPU is much more efficient
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:51 AM
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it isn't perfect, but it gets to 99.95% of the way there
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I didn't know it was this much of a solved problem lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:51 AM
good enough to start working
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I used a FOSS music separator like that recently
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for example, Intel's NPU can already be used for separating tracks on audacity
yo
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I look forward to the time when it can enhance clarity of older music
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:52 AM
RTX audio when, so that piano doesn't sound weird when it has the voices removed
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The AI really, really, can't do that right now
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i don't think piano will be solved soon
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the harmonics of a piano have a lot of overlap with human voice
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 8:53 AM
sadly
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someone take that vocals only file and turn it into a miku cover
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it would have to know not only which note is being played, and the exact voice of the singer, so not impossible but a lot of work
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You see a lot of music based games that have clearly used some kind of tool like this when they haven't gotten the separate tracks from artists themselves
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Ones like FUSER, Fortnite, and some others
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yeah, they had to do that in some old tracks for guitar hero
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specifically in paint it black, the original masters were fubar
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Yeah, too much echo
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so they had to separate them as best they could with like 2007 technology (edited)
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then metallica's death magnetic was the opposite because the guitar hero dudes got the original tracks before lars fucked with them
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All the tracks just bleed into each other when all the instruments are playing in Paint It, Black (edited)
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so that's the only way to hear the album and have it sound good
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I just wish NPUs were a bigger focus, they are fucking exciting tbh
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fucking M1 has technically a better NPU than meteor lake & phoenix iirc
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Quite a few of my favorite band's songs weren't recorded in a professional studio, and were quite literally recorded on a one track recorder with fused input wires
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I want AI to be able to separate that
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have you tried Audacity's?
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Not yet, no
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i'm gonna try that thing
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Apple's Neural Engine (ANE) is the marketing name for a group of specialized cores functioning as a neural processing unit (NPU) dedicated to the acceleration of artificial intelligence operations...
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if it can separate black metal it can do anything
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oh it's actually worse than MTL
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wack, i feel like other vendors' stacks are mid if they seem to get outperformed by Apple's weaker cores lol
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Oh, and the ability to make concert recordings sound closer to studio grade
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@GoldenX86_64 btw, NVIDIA's autoHDR is something that would be great for NPUs too
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because you could do them on laptops, without uh, firing up a dGPU for it
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did github fix their shit? this is downloading at 10MBps
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video playback won't go from 14 hours to 90 minutes because your video has prettier blacks
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it used to be like 1-2
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Oh, and the ability to make concert recordings sound closer to studio grade
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actually i think i have a better test for this
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i'm gonna see if i can isolate the bass from and justice for all
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if it can find it it's really good
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because you could do them on laptops, without uh, firing up a dGPU for it
GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 9:04 AM
if it can do 4k video, that's a good win
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Over $1M, sounds reasonable /s
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it actually is reasonsable
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for the context here
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lol
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Anything for them Tensor cores
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well, I personally feel like at that price point you do want that yes
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we talked about it smh
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@exio4 the gpus just appear as gpu 0 and gpu 1
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so let's hope gpu 1 is the 3060 and not the vega
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use your CPU
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it'll be faster
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kek
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NPU-friendly workloads tend to work best on IGPs over dGPUs
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because they're basically doing a lot of small packages over PCIe otherwise
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hmm, even if it's a vega
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I have no idea if Vega would work
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but the CPU will be gud
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we're gonna find out
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I don't trust Vega at this, hopefully ur pc doesn't explode 👍
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that was 30 seconds of audio
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but i don't know which gpu it was running on
9:17 AM
look at task manager?
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maybe (edited)
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yeah i wasn't looking, i'll do another run with the other gpu and check
9:19 AM
lol yeah, it can't separate the bass from the guitar
9:20 AM
i think it just means bass as in sub-bass, not the instrument
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i think it just means bass as in sub-bass, not the instrument
yeah its not instruments
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i'm not seeing a spike in either gpu but this one finished significantly faster
9:24 AM
hold up i think it did isolate the bass, it's just almost imperceptible, which makes sense
9:25 AM
the vocals do sound pretty clean, a little bit of compression gets rid of the robot voice effect
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i think this is pretty good for what is ultimately a basically real-time tool
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yeah
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@Egdarska think of more cool uses for npus
9:29 AM
@Egdarska have you ever used macOS?
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@GoldenX86_64 you too, recently
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i know of a killer app for NPUs
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kinda, but not for long
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macOS has every file indexed, and you can do cmd+space to fire up spotlight
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basically just used it as long as i had to to copy some files
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you can use spotlight to run apps, do math, do currency conversions, etc
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and also search in your computer
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and when it does indexing, it also does OCR, and identifies objects into categories
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i can literally do this and just get info about photos in the computer (with photos in the library prioritized)
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 9:32 AM
that's actually great
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this shit is not "mandatory" to do on NPUs, but thanks to e-cores + npus it means that macOS can do this indexing on battery and it isn't actually noticeable
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GoldenX86_64 2/13/2024 9:32 AM
i hope next windows has an usable search bar
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type "the benadryl shadow man" and see what pops up
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you still get 12+ hours of battery life with this happening in the background, thanks to e-cores being actually e-cores that max out at like 0.5W per cluster
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you know how in AMD's cpus you have CCXs, so the cores are isolated
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if you have a ryzen 3950x you have four CCXs, and you can actually have some app go hard on everything on one CCX and everything else stays responsive
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Apple does the same, this cpu i am on is 4+4+4 (4+4 for p-cores, 4 e-cores), and the e-cores don't really affect the responsiveness of the system cuz they don't even share L2 (there's no overall L3 here)
9:34 AM
i love that
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Egdarska
type "the benadryl shadow man" and see what pops up
i got selfies what now
9:36 AM
i like the random metal pipe crashes
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GoldenX86_64
that's actually great
all on-device!
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the fastest was a mix of cpu and gpu for the different things
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in general the biggest issue is that GPUs are slow to communicate with + they need a lot of time to be fired up
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so if you have something that is done every 100ms of audio, for example, doing it on the CPU will likely be faster (or even better, a properly put together NPU lol)
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but if you can send a bunch of data to the gpu and get it crunched, it'll be FAST
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i wonder whats gonna be the next coprocessor
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we've got media engines, npus, gpus, heck, even cpus are now also separated on different types
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exciting
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SadSinglePringle 2/13/2024 9:47 AM
seperate rgb matrix chips
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GoldenX86_64
i hope next windows has an usable search bar
this doesn't solve the problem, but if you install power toys you can use it's search bar feature, power toys run run is waaaaayyyy better and more accurate from my experience and even allows you to do simple stuff with math etc. (edited)
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yeah they yoinked krunner
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LotP
this doesn't solve the problem, but if you install power toys you can use it's search bar feature, power toys run run is waaaaayyyy better and more accurate from my experience and even allows you to do simple stuff with math etc. (edited)
i use it
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it's very much akin to comparing wordpad to the whole microsoft office suite
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spotlight is just so much better i'm lowkey sad when i don't have it lol
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yeah, i originally got it because searching Steam in windows search would only show Sreamlabs kek also the file searching is faster and more accurate
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LotP
yeah, i originally got it because searching Steam in windows search would only show Sreamlabs kek also the file searching is faster and more accurate
why do you have streamlabs installed isn't it useless
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kek
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i installed it like 7 years ago kek
2:44 PM
it has my streaming/recording settings so i just didn't bother switching back to base OBS
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 3:48 PM
Now I want a version of Aliens vs Predator where the human soldiers wear Vision Pros to aid them in combat. https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1aps10e/these_apple_vision_pro_mods_are_getting_wild_this/
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it has my streaming/recording settings so i just didn't bother switching back to base OBS
switch back gidolygun
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 5:43 PM
NVIDIA GeForce™ RTX 30 or 40 Series GPU or NVIDIA RTX™ Ampere or Ada Generation GPU with at least 8GB of VRAM
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5:43 PM
Wait, 35GB????
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:06 PM
35GB for what? Is it going to be better than something like LM Studio?
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 6:06 PM
It's RTX so of course.
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PeepoNvidia
6:07 PM
The package includes LLMs.
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:10 PM
35GB is like a medium sized LLM. The large LLMs at a decent quantization level are like 50GB plus. The one I like is 100GB: Goliath 120B Q6 longlora
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 6:14 PM
Is that with compression? I dunno how that'd work.
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Teach me sensei
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:14 PM
Quantization is essentially compression.
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squanchy 🥗
Is that with compression? I dunno how that'd work.
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:20 PM
The higher quantization level (like Q6 or Q8), the less compressed the model is. It's slower and harder to run, but it's higher quality. The lower quantization level (like Q2 or Q4), the more compressed it is. It's faster and easier to run, but lower quality. I'm still pretty novice at running LLMs myself. The 100GB model I mentioned runs at 0.3 tokens per second on my PC (5800X3D, 128GB DDR4 2800MHz CL16, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB). That's like 3 or 4 seconds per word. As far as I understand it, LLM performance is mostly a function of how much of the model you can get to run on VRAM instead of system RAM. The more of the model size that you get to run in VRAM, the faster it'll run. To run the really large models, you really need multiple high VRAM Nvidia GPUs. Intel GPUs are crap on LLM and apparently AMD GPUs cannot utilize multiple GPUs. I recently ordered a second 4060 Ti 16GB so that I can boost performance running the super large models and I'll probably need a third.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 6:21 PM
I'm going to save this for when I'm not sleep-deprived.
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Would NVLink / SLI have helped?
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Does 3D V-Cache help?
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I have a 3950X. Sadge
6:22 PM
Wait, does CPU matter at all?
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I have a 4070 12GB 💀
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Hey @exio4 Thanks for recommending LM Studio and giving me advice on it. I've tested some AI models for story writing if anyone wants to see: https://imgur.com/a/53FtQKk This is a test prompt so that I can compare the story writing quality of 3 different models: The Bloke Goat Storytelling 70B Q6 (only works up to 4K context) The Bloke Goliath 120B Q6 (32K context mode via extended context) The Bloke Dolphin 2 6 Mixtral 7B Q6 (32K context)* *2 Mixture of Experts Mode (default) and 8 Mixture of Experts Mode I'm specifically testing its ability to follow my story writing style instructions (1K+ words long) in the system prompt and the story prompt. The 120B model is suuuuuuuuuper slow on my PC. 0.3 tokens per second, which is like 3 or 4 seconds per word. Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 128GB DDR4 2800MHz CL16, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB I'm going to be buying a second 4060 Ti 16GB to boost performance.
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:22 PM
I also posted about my testing of LLMs on my PC here: https://discord.com/channels/398318088170242053/729830357666496583/1206022093884497920 I also recorded a video testing performance: https://youtu.be/Eaz-H-3FkZg
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Does 3D V-Cache help?
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:22 PM
I think maybe, but I'm not sure.
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Would NVLink / SLI have helped?
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:27 PM
Apparently, SLI does not help unless fine-tuning the model. It (inferencing) apparently also is not PCIE bandwidth sensitive, so I'm going to be using PCIE Gen 3.0 X1 to X16 adaptors for adding more GPUs to my PC lol I've seen some people say that limited PCIE bandwidth might only hurt the speed that it loads in the model. On a related note, you really want the LLM models stored on a fast NVME SSD. I'll find out if PCIE Gen 3 X1 bandwidth hurts performance for inferencing (which means chatting with the bot). Wait for my confirmation before adding GPUs this way just incase I'm wrong. (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 6:27 PM
I realize I have no idea what kind of work people are actually doing on these local GPU-facilitated LLMs
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@exio4 tipped me off to some Mac ones but I still haven't implemented anything in what I do for work
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AI in my workflow so far is just editing/refining copy for social/comms and the Generative AI stuff Adobe implemented into Photoshop
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:29 PM
I still have Shadow PC Pro until February 22nd I think, so I might test the NVidia RTX LLM thing on it. I mostly wanted to test it out, but it's $50 per month for renting a PC in the cloud with 4 (kind of weak) cores, 28GB RAM, but it has RTX A4500 with 20GB VRAM. It's apparently like an RTX 3070 equivalent with more VRAM. Also, the ShadowPC's SSD storage performs like a SATA SSD with read speeds around 500MB per second, so super slow loading in 30GB+ sized models.
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Wait, does CPU matter at all?
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:32 PM
I think CPU/RAM matters when you're running models that don't fit entirely inside VRAM. But even with 16GB VRAM, the models that fit entirely inside VRAM are kinda small. You also still get a decent performance using models a little bit larger than your VRAM capacity. I don't know exactly how much CPU or RAM speed matters. I don't know of any online benchmarks that test these components for LLM performance.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 6:34 PM
Eugh I need MI300X.
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adds to Amazon cart
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192GB would be enough for most models, right?
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NM_peepoBusinessDetective
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Also wait, would this mean models run faster on laptops with LPDDR5X-8500 or whatever?
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I realize I have no idea what kind of work people are actually doing on these local GPU-facilitated LLMs
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:37 PM
Basically, anything you can do with Chat GPT. They're just less powerful than Chat GPT. I found this interesting: https://youtu.be/zIWqTJu9HaA My sister apparently used Chat GPT to write a resume. Mostly, I just mess around with it. I'm seriously going to try using it to write stories. You need to be very skilled with prompting to get good story results with AI. That means character descriptions, descriptions of every event and action, etc. You're describing it page by page, more like converting your story ideas into novelizations. You can also use it for roleplaying, which includes NSFW roleplaying or NSFW stories. Chat GPT blocks those kinds of things.
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Also wait, would this mean models run faster on laptops with LPDDR5X-8500 or whatever?
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:39 PM
A theory is that a server CPU with very high number of RAM channels gets okay performance with just CPU, but I feel like if you invest in something like that, it could get obsoleted by some GPU in 3-5 years (if it's even viable). M2/3 Macs with extremely large RAM capacity is also apparently okay for LLMs because it has unified RAM that is faster than standard RAM. But it still won't match performance of running AI on GPU VRAM.
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 6:39 PM
I don't think I do enough long form writing to mess with it in that form (edited)
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GoldenSun3DS
Basically, anything you can do with Chat GPT. They're just less powerful than Chat GPT. I found this interesting: https://youtu.be/zIWqTJu9HaA My sister apparently used Chat GPT to write a resume. Mostly, I just mess around with it. I'm seriously going to try using it to write stories. You need to be very skilled with prompting to get good story results with AI. That means character descriptions, descriptions of every event and action, etc. You're describing it page by page, more like converting your story ideas into novelizations. You can also use it for roleplaying, which includes NSFW roleplaying or NSFW stories. Chat GPT blocks those kinds of things.
writing a resume with a llm is a really bad idea lmao (edited)
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:41 PM
Most of the downloadable LLM models seem to be uncensored in regards to NSFW sexual content, and there are some models specifically marked as uncensored.
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writing a resume with a llm is a really bad idea lmao (edited)
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:41 PM
I didn't see it, so I assume that she fed it all of her info
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Oh, and the M2/3 Macs that I mentioned with very large RAM capacities? Those things are multiple thousands of dollars, so not a cheaper alternative lol
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GoldenSun3DS
I didn't see it, so I assume that she fed it all of her info
sure but to have a competitive resume you need to describe your actions in your role, quantify your contributions and intentionally use terms that get pass ATS systems (edited)
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i dont think llms are very good at doing that
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:45 PM
If you want more info, I suggest you join "LM Studio" Discord server and "The Bloke" Discord server (use Google) and read discussions there and maybe ask questions. The Bloke is the name of the person (group?) releasing some quantized versions of LLM models that I like to use.
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A theory is that a server CPU with very high number of RAM channels gets okay performance with just CPU, but I feel like if you invest in something like that, it could get obsoleted by some GPU in 3-5 years (if it's even viable). M2/3 Macs with extremely large RAM capacity is also apparently okay for LLMs because it has unified RAM that is faster than standard RAM. But it still won't match performance of running AI on GPU VRAM.
squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 6:48 PM
ye
6:49 PM
Why spend £50,000 on an AMD Epyc Zen 5 server when you can just spend £5000 on an RTX 5090.
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SunglassesFluent
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So I keep having to change my work password. I'm running out of symbols to add to the end of my existing one. (edited)
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 6:56 PM
Also, interestingly, when you run models that are much larger than your VRAM capacity, the GPU is hardly being used. My 4060 Ti 16GB is at 45C running the 100GB model and MSi AfterBurner shows around 25% to 35% power Utilization. CPU/RAM is that much slower than GPU/VRAM that it causes that much of a bottleneck.
6:57 PM
I really want to see some YouTube channels like Gamer's Nexus or Hardware Unboxed benchmark AI LLMs.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 7:27 PM
HWU would never do it because they want to stay a gaming channel.
7:27 PM
GN might but I don't think he has the expertise. He'd need to get the help of someone like Level1Techs.
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Aka Tech Gruffalo
7:28 PM
Tech Jesus x Tech Gruffalo collab on LLMs praydge
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nah, would be no views in that, or care/demand
7:32 PM
99.9% of people don't care about llms, 89% don't know what they are
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 7:42 PM
Large Lucky strike Mangos
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How much of an upgrade for TOTK would going from a 12700k to a 7700x or 7800X3D yield me? Really looking for 60fps consistent with no slowdowns. 4090 video card. I'm asking because Micro Center has a 7700x combo for $350 and 7800X3D combo for $450 right now.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 7:51 PM
Somebody answer this man.
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What resolution @mazeroth
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 7:53 PM
feelsbadman4K
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Right now the 12700k can't do 60fps consistent. I was spoiled with BOTW on CEMU.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 7:55 PM
YouTube's search is SO BAD.
7:56 PM
This guy seems to get 4K60 in TOTK?
7:56 PM
Have you enabled XMP in the BIOS @mazeroth ? Install CPU-Z and post a screenshot of the Memory tab. (edited)
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XMP enabled. At work now.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 7:57 PM
Well I dunno, you should definitely get 60fps with a 12700K @ 4K.
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Watch the first minute of that video. He's getting dips down to 54 fps.
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squanchy 🥗 2/13/2024 8:05 PM
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mazeroth
Right now the 12700k can't do 60fps consistent. I was spoiled with BOTW on CEMU.
i would expect the 12700k to get about 55 fps average in the harder areas to render you can go up to 4k maybe even 8k with a 4090 with basically no loss in frame rate since it's all cpu bottleneck a 7800X/X3D would probably bump that to about 70 fps average
8:06 PM
and a 13700k/13900k is about the same peformance as 7700X and 7800X/X3D iirc (edited)
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also they're using 2x yuzu scaling, you should be using a native resolution mod instead since the result is better (edited)
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and a 13700k/13900k is about the same peformance as 7700X and 7800X/X3D iirc (edited)
Good DDR5 also really helps with Yuzu
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Maybe 5+ FPS vs quality DDR4 3600 cl14 (b-die)
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GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 8:51 PM
Also, if you're poor like me, beware going into AI Discord servers. They're talking about stuff like six RTX 3090 PC builds lol
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mazeroth
How much of an upgrade for TOTK would going from a 12700k to a 7700x or 7800X3D yield me? Really looking for 60fps consistent with no slowdowns. 4090 video card. I'm asking because Micro Center has a 7700x combo for $350 and 7800X3D combo for $450 right now.
deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:26 PM
7800x3d will handle a smooth 60 just fine
9:27 PM
A 2080 can do 4K—the gpu barely factors as long as it’s half decent with at least 8GB of vram (edited)
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7800x3d will handle a smooth 60 just fine
takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:27 PM
nope
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:28 PM
I have one and it does kek
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takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:28 PM
i have one and its does not
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kek
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:28 PM
Pebkac
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takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:28 PM
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looooooook
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7800x3d
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:29 PM
I don’t know what to tell you except that mine does it fine (edited)
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How much ram do you have?
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takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:30 PM
when you run in open area sure but in kakariko or more demanding area thats not true
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32gb
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:30 PM
I got a solid 60 in a fully loaded lookout landing
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A theory is that a server CPU with very high number of RAM channels gets okay performance with just CPU, but I feel like if you invest in something like that, it could get obsoleted by some GPU in 3-5 years (if it's even viable). M2/3 Macs with extremely large RAM capacity is also apparently okay for LLMs because it has unified RAM that is faster than standard RAM. But it still won't match performance of running AI on GPU VRAM.
I'm on an M2 Max with their wide bus, they perform extremely well at AI stuff, but their advantage is more of "you can do this on a laptop now, which wasn't possible/viable before"
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I got a solid 60 in a fully loaded lookout landing
takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:31 PM
what mods do you use ?
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:32 PM
Not many
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I’m on 1.0.1 with the 1.5.5 mod for scaling outside of Yuzu. The name escapes me atm
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DynamicFPS
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I'm on an M2 Max with their wide bus, they perform extremely well at AI stuff, but their advantage is more of "you can do this on a laptop now, which wasn't possible/viable before"
"extremely well" relative to their power envelope - e.g. they outperform "raster equivalent AMD" by a long shot, this laptop i've got is only 3060 ish performance, but you could have it 3060 ti ish AI performance... with 80+GB of VRAM, on a laptop on a desktop/workstation, with workloads you can split across GPUs - you're better off doing that, but for big BIG BIG models, you'll start waiting to run workstation boards with more lanes
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:33 PM
Dang I missed the part where exio got an m2 max
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what mods do you use ?
deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:36 PM
If I have a chance, and remember after the kids go to bed, I will try to upload a screenshot or two for you. I was kidding around before and wasn’t trying to be a jerk about it, but it really does work well on my system.
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takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:37 PM
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most of the time getting 60fps but its not stable 100%
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If I have a chance, and remember after the kids go to bed, I will try to upload a screenshot or two for you. I was kidding around before and wasn’t trying to be a jerk about it, but it really does work well on my system.
takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:38 PM
if you have afterburner just run normal benchmark and see 1%lows its never stable 60fps
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:39 PM
The only hiccups I notice are shader compilations, and those go away completely if I turn on async and don’t mind dealing with wonky weapon icons (edited)
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Dang I missed the part where exio got an m2 max
i wish it was a big ram variant
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this is the base model 😛
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 9:43 PM
I won’t pretend to know if it’s 100% scientifically never ever below 60 but it appears like a smooth 60 in OSDs. I can check (edited)
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but it's the laptop i have had for a while now
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takanome9104
if you have afterburner just run normal benchmark and see 1%lows its never stable 60fps
Use literally any other benchmarking tool if you wanna see accurate 1%lows, afterburner sucks at it
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Use literally any other benchmarking tool if you wanna see accurate 1%lows, afterburner sucks at it
takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:51 PM
why?
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It gets stuck at the lowest value it reach's from my experience with it
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takanome9104 2/13/2024 9:54 PM
bruh isnt that the goal wtf
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No that would be Min FPS, 1%low is different
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Apparently, SLI does not help unless fine-tuning the model. It (inferencing) apparently also is not PCIE bandwidth sensitive, so I'm going to be using PCIE Gen 3.0 X1 to X16 adaptors for adding more GPUs to my PC lol I've seen some people say that limited PCIE bandwidth might only hurt the speed that it loads in the model. On a related note, you really want the LLM models stored on a fast NVME SSD. I'll find out if PCIE Gen 3 X1 bandwidth hurts performance for inferencing (which means chatting with the bot). Wait for my confirmation before adding GPUs this way just incase I'm wrong. (edited)
GoldenSun3DS 2/13/2024 10:51 PM
So earlier I was testing it while looking at bus usage in MSi Afterburner. During processing of the tokens, it did show PCIE bus being utilized, but once it started outputting tokens (words), it dropped to zero. I guess I will be finding out how much of a performance penalty there will be going from PCIE Gen 3.0 X8 to X1. My motherboard is Gen 3.0 only and the 4060 Ti is apparently x8 only. To clarify, when it is "processing tokens" is the time it takes to process your input and/or the current context loaded in. Let's say you're starting a fresh chat with default system prompt and you say "Hello". The prompt processing is going to be just a few tokens, so it'll get done fast. Let's say that next, you type in 100 tokens worth of words. Before it can start outputting words, it needs to process those 100 tokens, which is where PCIE bandwidth could potentially become a bottleneck. Let's say that you have a long chat history where between all your messages and the AI's messages comes out to 10,000 tokens. You just ejected the model and reloaded the model. In order for it to continue, it needs to process those 10,000 tokens, which is where PCIE bandwidth has the chance to become a bottleneck. I suspect that an additional RTX 4060 Ti 16GB even at PCIE 3.0 X1 will be faster than not having the GPU if it means having less of the model loaded into RAM. It will certainly have no penalty once it is outputting tokens, so if you wanted to be efficient, you could tell it to make its response at least 1000 words long or something like that (which is what I'm usually doing with stories).
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@deadlybydsgn @takanome9104 7800X3D averages about 70 fps but 1% lows are in the 45-55 range (edited)
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data was provided by 1 of the UltraCam 2.0 benchmarks
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@deadlybydsgn @takanome9104 7800X3D averages about 70 fps but 1% lows are in the 45-55 range (edited)
takanome9104 2/13/2024 11:30 PM
yeah thats match my 7800x3d benchmark tbh
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deadlybydsgn 2/13/2024 11:55 PM
I will admit I am not sensitive to 1% lows, but I’ll check later
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I will admit I am not sensitive to 1% lows, but I’ll check later
everybody is sensitive to 1% lows, the question is how much 😛
12:24 AM
i personally dont notice a bit of a frame drop, or slightly increase in frametimes, but any sudden shifts in frametimes are noticeable
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 12:25 AM
It’s likely I may notice it but not care, kind of like how I am with VR. In that case it helps me have great VR legs regardless of performance
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deadlybydsgn
It’s likely I may notice it but not care, kind of like how I am with VR. In that case it helps me have great VR legs regardless of performance
nah, it all depends on where your breaking point is
12:32 AM
like, I personally tried guardians of the galaxy - on gamepass, and it would (every 10-15 seconds) "freeze" the camera for like a third of a second
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ended up buying it on steam lol
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 12:45 AM
That does sound miserable
12:46 AM
But I played on an old system for so long that I don’t care about little hang ups as much
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I appreciate everyone chiming in about my upgrading from 12700k to 7800X3D. I've held off playing TOTK because of my 1% lows as it bothers me. Are you guys seeing noticeable performance improvements with newer versions of Yuzu with TOTK in regards to framerate, or has it been pretty stagnant? I'm fine holding off playing TOTK until this Christmas when I get 2 weeks off work, if it means Yuzu will be better optimized for my 12700K and I don't have to upgrade. I know there's no crystal ball but figured I'd ask what you think the next ~10 months might bring for performance in TOTK, in regards to CPU and framerate.
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 1:12 AM
I mean… it all beats the switch
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I haven’t noticed any big performance gains, but I’m probably not the kind of perspective you’re looking for (edited)
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like, I personally tried guardians of the galaxy - on gamepass, and it would (every 10-15 seconds) "freeze" the camera for like a third of a second
dead space on game pass
2:51 AM
turn freesynced 80fps into 38 non-freesync with this one trick
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SadSinglePringle 2/14/2024 3:16 AM
completely unreleated talk
3:16 AM
who here gets nauseos in vr?
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SadSinglePringle
who here gets nauseos in vr?
me when its warm
3:24 AM
i need 15 degrees or less
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25 is the max max
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SadSinglePringle 2/14/2024 3:26 AM
how
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i like how samsung keeps calling the side button the bixby button
3:34 AM
as if it's not the first thing samsung owners disable
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SadSinglePringle 2/14/2024 4:04 AM
lol
4:04 AM
true that
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Egdarska
as if it's not the first thing samsung owners disable
xXKiller_BOSSXx 2/14/2024 5:04 AM
That is the literally the first thing I did
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I changed to a regular shutdown button
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i haven't met a single samsung owner that didn't disable the bixby button
5:23 AM
it's about evenly split between turning it into a regular button, or changing it to google
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on my dad's phone it won't let you disable the bixby button unless u sign into a samsung account
5:24 AM
kek
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lol, i think they did that for like 2 generations
5:24 AM
and i can't remember which one it was, but one generation straight up didn't let you change it, you needed to force it by rooting
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lmao
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SadSinglePringle 2/14/2024 12:45 PM
brand shenanigans go crazy
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takanome9104
why you didn't use the one from corsair ? , i have this cable didn't melt on me thank god but i have 4070ti maybe when i upgrade to 4090 i will burn the house we'll see
I haven't had a need to open my case for cleaning or anything yet, when I do It will get swapped in because it will be way cleaner. (edited)
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takanome9104 2/14/2024 1:58 PM
yup single cable great for looks
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 2:05 PM
Superflower sells what appears to be an identical one
2:06 PM
I wish they were more flexible cables but I guess that’s not what you get for $16. Plus I don’t need it yet
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takanome9104 2/14/2024 2:11 PM
putting power plug into the motherboard will solve the issue , but will ruin backward compatibility tho
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I haven't done any research do any other PSU's besides corsair/seasonic evga/superflower do the 288w per pciex?
2:18 PM
Or are all the rest at the 150-160?
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afaik it's just them, caused me confusion when i had to buy a cable
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 2:40 PM
I'm okay with it going to the PSU. Mobo power plugs feel like more of a PITA to uncouple
2:41 PM
You just have the downside of it usually being potentially messier for airflow
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does the intel arc a770 work on yuzu?
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Cables really don't restrict airflow much unless you make a huge messy nest of them. (edited)
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Waffles
does the intel arc a770 work on yuzu?
I don't know, my A770 has been in a box since I got my 4070 TI, and put the 3070 in the HTPC.
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I don't know, my A770 has been in a box since I got my 4070 TI, and put the 3070 in the HTPC.
the compatibility section on the yuzu website is just error 404 so this is the only place i can ask
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takanome9104 2/14/2024 2:45 PM
in my case i don't mind the cables directly plugged to psu , but other small cases will benefit from power plug into the actual motherboard
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this plug can do 600W
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Cables really don't restrict airflow much unless you make a huge messy nest of them. (edited)
deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 2:47 PM
My case is a weird horizontal desktop case—a lot like the old ones where monitors used to sit on top of them. I got it because it fits nicely into an entertainment set and supports full ATX. So, maybe I'm niche. Anyway, at least in my use case, the PSU is right next to the one side intake fan, so I have to be really deliberate about cabling to avoid spiderwebbing in front of that fan
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But yeah, I guess if I'm thinking of how it would be in my older Fractal Define, it would be less of an issue. I like that case a lot but it's too big for the living room setup
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in my case i don't mind the cables directly plugged to psu , but other small cases will benefit from power plug into the actual motherboard
deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 2:49 PM
Part of me wonders if something like that could result in more damaged cards from heavy handed builders
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nah, when i was fucking around in my case to install my gpu i was thinking it was dumb as shit that we force all this shit to go vertical
2:50 PM
i'll definitely go out of my way to get a horizontal setup if i ever buy a new case
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 2:50 PM
Yay, I feel validated
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Part of me wonders if something like that could result in more damaged cards from heavy handed builders
takanome9104 2/14/2024 2:50 PM
if anything will give support to the pcb tbh
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 2:51 PM
My 2080 isn't particularly heavy, but the 4070Ti TUF I briefly had sure felt like a chonker. I was glad it was going to stand up instead of hang down in a traditional setup (edited)
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yea the 4080s i got is the first gpu i've had where it's so damn big i'm worried about sag
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i own an unpatched switch, but do i need to revert back to an older version of firmware or OS to use the fusée-gelée exploit? or does it just work?
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Waffles
i own an unpatched switch, but do i need to revert back to an older version of firmware or OS to use the fusée-gelée exploit? or does it just work?
Fusee gelee is a hardware exploit it works on any firmware including the latest
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ahhh ok
3:15 PM
thanks
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Waffles
does the intel arc a770 work on yuzu?
intel cards "work" for yuzu from what i remember
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wdym "work?"
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if you already have one you can try it, if you were thinking of buying one just buy something else
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i already own one
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Waffles
wdym "work?"
lots of issues, bad performance, though not as bad these days
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bad performance with yuzu specifically? or are you just talking about the bad drivers in the beginning?
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both i guess, but specifically yuzu, it lacks some instructions so yuzu has to take the long paths
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and of course depending on which games you play you might encounter more issues, because not a lot of testers have intel gpus
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ive used it since week 2 of launch and i will say, its gotten WAYYYY better
3:25 PM
im mainly thinking of playing BotW and ToTK
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you could probably ask in #yuzu-general for a better answer, this channel is mostly a general hardware channel, not yuzu related
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but yeah, intel support has gotten better
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even in fortnite, for a long time it would only work in DX11 where it would get bad stuttery fps and DX12 would crash, but they fixed a lot of that and now DX12 doesnt crash, fps isnt an issue, and even DX11 is a LOTTT better
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Waffles
wdym "work?"
Intel GPU, especially xe and arc have a lot of graphical issues and driver crashes in some games
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any specific to name a few?
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Xc3, totk. I know there is more I just can't remember the games
3:42 PM
Anyways It's much worse compared to Nvidia and amd cards
3:43 PM
Opengl is also completely unusable in most cases
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a;right
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SleepingSnake 2/14/2024 5:57 PM
That's a woolly system lol
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Fluff for days
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two systems actually, heh.
6:00 PM
top 3 from one, bottom 2 from another
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 6:01 PM
I previously mentioned that I didn't really understand "modern" AA methods, but this video is helping: https://youtu.be/WG8w9Yg5B3g
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SadSinglePringle
how
what
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Waffles
ive used it since week 2 of launch and i will say, its gotten WAYYYY better
what's the card? A770 16G, A750?
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a770 16gb
6:40 PM
i wish i could have an a770 16g, really wondering how well their compute stack holds up, heard good things regarding stability and that, just limited compatibility because it's new
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its gotten a LOT better
6:43 PM
it was pretty unstable for a while
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and had a big problem with anything directX for a month
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but after that its been running great
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I am so close to buying an A380 as soon as I get some extra $$
6:56 PM
I wanna try real XeSS
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XeSS on my turing gpu or steamdeck looks great, the first first version was a bit mid on XMX but XeSS 1.1 already pushed Intel so ahead in the upscaling game it got me interested
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deadlybydsgn 2/14/2024 7:05 PM
Is it DLSS > XeSS > FSR?
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get a matrox luma a380
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deadlybydsgn
Is it DLSS > XeSS > FSR?
SadSinglePringle 2/14/2024 7:20 PM
Yes
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deadlybydsgn
Is it DLSS > XeSS > FSR?
DLSS and XeSS XMX are very close, then XeSS XM4, then FSR (edited)
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Mango9999
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 7:24 PM
This isnt as dirty as my ps3
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I opened that up and it was just entirely dust
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(Also the hdmi does not work)
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(Also the hdmi does not work)
messed up hdmi port is one of the most common issues i see with them passing through here, and what people ask me to fix most, with the ps3 and xbox 360 both there, as well as xbox one now pretty often too.
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half of the time you can still get some life out of the port.
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half of the time you can still get some life out of the port.
Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 7:26 PM
On mine it registers on the tv but no video gets sent out
7:26 PM
Fortunately the av port works though!
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you just need to sit there and pull/push the cable end in different directions, and apply different pressures, until you find a spot where it barely connects good enough to work, then find a way to secure it that way, whether with tape or even just the weight of the system.
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Mango9999
you just need to sit there and pull/push the cable end in different directions, and apply different pressures, until you find a spot where it barely connects good enough to work, then find a way to secure it that way, whether with tape or even just the weight of the system.
Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 7:27 PM
Why does it stopcworking
7:27 PM
“Stop working”
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i have an xbox one here with that issue there actually where it has to have some small thing propped under the end of it's cable at all times to sort of push up on the port in order for it to work.
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and the contacts just break over time for whatever reason, usually just people being hard on the systems over time, or having cables pulling hard on the port, or etc.
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but yeah, often times you can push it back good enough to use for a while longer, just need to find the spot.
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otherwise after that, the only solution is to replace/resolder a new port, which typically isn't worth it to most people.
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myself included
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Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 7:33 PM
Dang
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Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 7:49 PM
Guess i gotta find a component to hdmi converter
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be aware of the zen4 + Turing + Polaris user (edited)
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Levlight
be aware of the zen4 + Turing + Polaris user (edited)
Polaris?
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takanome9104 2/14/2024 7:55 PM
👀
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exio4
Polaris?
not on the ss yeah (edited)
7:55 PM
but yeah Polaris (rx580) (edited)
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squanchy 🥗 2/14/2024 8:17 PM
Brolaris
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Levlight
be aware of the zen4 + Turing + Polaris user (edited)
This is a rare moment where a linux user only sends part of their neofetch screenshot instead of the whole thing.
kek 1
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fastfetch
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neofetch time :3
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fastfetch
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fastfetch
79
8:39 PM
cursed
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Monitor OC
8:39 PM
80Hz doesn't work
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squanchy 🥗 2/14/2024 8:40 PM
peepoWeirdToilet
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Samueru
80Hz doesn't work
do you have VRR?
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Nope
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79 doesn’t evenly play 24/50/30/60 fps
8:47 PM
i want 600 Hz
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to play 24/25/50/30/60/120 all evenly at the same time
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Levlight
be aware of the zen4 + Turing + Polaris user (edited)
Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 8:54 PM
Holy crap 5.5ghz???
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Awesomeangotti
Holy crap 5.5ghz???
duno why it says that havent seen it go over 5ghz so far¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (edited)
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Levlight
duno why it says that havent seen it go over 5ghz so far¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (edited)
Awesomeangotti 2/14/2024 8:55 PM
Its done it for one nanosecond
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meh
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I'd say
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In a Valentine's Day blog post, System76 has outlined how they are nearing the release of their alpha build of the COSMIC desktop environment that they have been developing as part of their Pop!_OS Linux distribution.
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Looks like gnome and hyprland had a baby
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🎙 Alastor 🎙 2/14/2024 9:46 PM
Hey could Dozen be effecting other vulkan titles too?
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Maybe? I'm not sure
10:33 PM
It should only affect AMD GPUs if at all as there is some conflict with the driver ID there (edited)
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 2:18 AM
man
2:18 AM
i would love an macbook if they were any good for gaming
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take the L and buy multiple devices
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or just, don't buy a mac
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what if they want good laptop speakers
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drop $2000 on a laptop for good speakers
2:25 AM
bro
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or idk, a trackpad that doesn't make you wanna jump off a bridge
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SadSinglePringle
i would love an macbook if they were any good for gaming
If asashi gets vulkan to work that will be possible, but there is only so much you can do with the igpu either way
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if you suck tim cook's silicon banana you can get a max chip which is 3060 and upwards in raw performance
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exio4
what if they want good laptop speakers
SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 2:27 AM
sony xm4s better (edited)
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SadSinglePringle
sony xm4s better (edited)
WH?
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nah
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WF maybe idk i havent tried them
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 2:27 AM
why would you want good laptop speakers
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just buy headphones
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viola
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i'm not arguing they're not better, they are, just that i doubt it's a normal person's main concern
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if it is then they'd buy one anyway
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first of all, i don't even personally know anyone who doesn't use headphones
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they're expensive laptops, they can be a concern and one of the reasons they consider it (battery life, fan noise, speakers, etc) but gaming is a dealbreaker (edited)
2:29 AM
like for me battery life is a deal breaker for a general purpose device
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actually, there's another dealbreaker for me with the m2 macbooks unless there's models with different keyboards
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if its a gaming-only device i can live, because it dying on a charge doesn't mean i have to stop watching cat videos
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the fucked up arrow keys
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they all have those
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i think
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i assume you mean them being small
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discustang
2:31 AM
also no numpad
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idk i never had a problem, like i actually am keyboard agnostic as long as they have no numpad
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exio4
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Use vim keybinds, problem solved
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my keyboard right now is actually in german layout
2:31 AM
azerty lol
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err, qwertz
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though you can do it the apple way and buy a numpad arrow dongle
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i forgor, i had to look up (or more like, down, to the keyboard itself) (edited)
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i'm really tempted to buy a second laptop just for carrying around, one of the 14" thinkpads
2:32 AM
they have the paddle trackpad buttons i love, and the clit mouse
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i havent used a thinkpad in years
2:33 AM
i assume their trackpads have finally got multi-touch in the last decade tho 👍
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they've had for a long time
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that's the key, the one i did had it too
2:34 AM
but it wasn't good at picking up gestures lol
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Egdarska
i'm not arguing they're not better, they are, just that i doubt it's a normal person's main concern
i feel like speakers are important, youre just special because youre deaf tbh
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nah, even with good ears, i wouldn't use laptop speakers because other people don't need to listen to what i'm doing
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dont you ever are alone
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and at home i'd just use headphones, or actual speakers if i have to
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have u ever used a bluetooth speaker
2:36 AM
macbooks shit on them
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yes, and also my wired speakers
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the bar is low yes (edited)
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i doubt they shit on my old stacks
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and saying "spend $500 more on a laptop for it" is also stupid
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in no world am i ever choosing a laptop speaker if it's not a mac and probably even then
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i just don't like not using headphones
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I dont speakers on my desktop pc, it is headphones only
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i'd need a subwoofer to feel ok without headphones, and i can't because apartments
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i use my laptop speakers for background noise if im vibing around the room, my homepod mini sounds worse (duh) and logitech z407 are meh
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Egdarska
i'd need a subwoofer to feel ok without headphones, and i can't because apartments
the laptops have subwoofers
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they're tiny
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lol
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but hey, they exist 👍
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technically 👍
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big "rocm exists" vibes
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have u actually listened to a macbook
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yes
2:39 AM
subwoofers aren't just for listening to bass, you can't hear the really low frequencies
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really low = 50 hz?
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yeah 130 or so is the limit for the macs
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18-20
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that's not a subwoofer lmao
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i dont think my airpods go that low
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arent subwoofers for lows
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<200 hz
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yes, but the lowest frequency matters
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my old sony stacks had 3 speakers in them, a bass speaker for around 150-500, the regular speaker, and the chirper, and it still needed a subwoofer
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you can't really feel the thump from 150hz
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nah i mean 130 is where they start tapering off lol
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what is your laptop or the closest notebook check has reviewed
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i don't know if they've reviewed it
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exio4
i dont think my airpods go that low
Most headphones can play 20 Hz, might be -20dB below ideal level but they can
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Samueru
Most headphones can play 20 Hz, might be -20dB below ideal level but they can
i dont think that counts
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yeah, we're talking speakers
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i am pretty sure the airpods go down to 20 hz
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most decent ones do, they just can't reproduce it well
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lol
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20 hz for half a second is REALLY FUCKING loud
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before the throttling kicks in
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if you have a 20 hz beat that lets the subwoofer cool down it'll be loud
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i guess
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Holy shit the airpods are horrible
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airpods pro @Samueru
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airpods non-pro aren't sealed
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mine advertise as low as 7HZ, but it only goes down to 11
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i want my money back
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they will be forever shit
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yes the pros go down to 20 hz but i can't hear shit
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you feel it more than anything
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yeah, under 18 you don't really hear it
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technically
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you "feel" the pressure which is what sound is, but it's different
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35 hz is when i dont hear it on the laptop
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but with mine i do "hear" 11
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as a constant noise
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lol a square noise at 17 hz is fucking loud
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got jump scared
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the harmonics are loud as fuck that is what they are called right
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Square waves are full of harmonics, so yeah
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i can only really hear down to 16 and that's on something way nicer than the airpods
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i cant remember sound terminology
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greggle
i can only really hear down to 16 and that's on something way nicer than the airpods
i can hear 11 on some $27 wired buds
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i love them tho
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is this a bluetooth limitation?
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well really i lied
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i can 'hear' down to 8
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but it kind of makes me feel schizophrenic so i'll cap it at 10
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is this a bluetooth limitation?
shouldn't be, isn't it using apple's bluetooth whatever?
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airpods are standard bluetooth, the apple shit is for the gimmicks
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Comparing changes in frequency and sound pressure as a function of the applied voltage and a impedance of an amplifier - Direct comparison of graphs Reference Audio Analyzer
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then maybe
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Airpods pro are better
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i can "hear" something at low hz
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it's uncomfortable to listen to frequencies that low though, my ear balls don't like it
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it's supposed to make you feel weird
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don't know why tho
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but we hate low frequencies
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i'm pretty sure most nicer stuff does go all the way to 0 if you've got giga hearing
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20 hz feels weird
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it's actually really hard to go that low and still have something that can produce normal sounds
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i didnt know airpods went that low
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what is a song that uses 20 hz
2:53 AM
meaningfully
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i think mine only go so low because they cheat by having 2 drivers in the buds
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i would guess most music that goes that low taps out at 50-60 hz
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i'm sure there's an extremely specific genre of music that uses 20 hz just to be edgy
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exio4
what is a song that uses 20 hz
i haven't actually tested but this song feels like it's one of the lowest i've heard https://youtu.be/oWzzNvcxY4w?t=903
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there's like 5 layers of bass
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i still find funny that airpods pro 2 are on tsmc 7nm
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i guess i could just check with audacity
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i'd be surprised if that was lower than 40
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actually i just remembered it's youtube
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so it would get fucked anyway
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my very scientific test of playing a frequency next to that song reveals that it's somewhere between 50-60
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i dont hear more/less bass (frequencies) on the macbook pro, just that they're LOUD (on app2) (edited)
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i guess thats expected
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according to audacity's spectrum analyzer there's audible sounds at like 36HZ, but the peak is at 40
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that's the lowest song i could think of, there's probably some indie band with an album with a full verse as the name that has done it just to be special
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i use my laptop speakers for background noise if im vibing around the room, my homepod mini sounds worse (duh) and logitech z407 are meh
SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:06 AM
wireless headphones?
3:06 AM
although
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wireless headphones?
i had xm4s and they were e-waste
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
bruh
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which ones?
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lol, i forgot you actually bought xm4s
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
headphones or buds?
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i prefer my laptop over wh1000xm4
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headphones
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
makes sense
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i am never buying a sony audio product lol
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again
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they've burned me
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
the earbuds are just better
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but at the same time
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i'm biased
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Awesomeangotti 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
Hear me out but some random audio receiver i found in the basement
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nah, their old speakers were god tier
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
as my roommates
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yeah but i have apple shit so i'll pick up airpods pro instead
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SadSinglePringle 2/15/2024 3:07 AM
do not like my music
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they're shit now tho
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exio4
i am never buying a sony audio product lol
true
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app2 are likely better at transparency mode anyway
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which is how i use my in-ears
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i'll pick airpods max 2 when they update them and i have money
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i prefer headphones and transparency mode is just too good on app2, i wonder what it is like on the max
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i didn't try my friend's airpods max when i tried their susvara so i missed that lol
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i only realized later when i saw them around on a photo i took there
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@greggle youve tried the max i assume?
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shite
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im waiting for them second one
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but im wondering transparency mode
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how good is it
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they have like 150 eagle sound quality
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im not buying them now
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i am buying them when they get the glow-up the app2 got
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that's probably generous considering i've heard cheaper headphones i liked more
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greggle
they have like 150 eagle sound quality
so they moved the beats engineers to the apple headphones division
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im assuming transparency mode is good tho
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they have a lot of useless noise going on, like the resolution of them just sucks
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everything sounds like a bit compressed youtube video
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that sucks
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but uh, what about transparency mode
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great noise cancellation tho
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i don't think i've ever tried transparency
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the sound quality is bad enough to tank them for me, plus the charging diaper
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i haven't been told max are good ever, even as an overall product, but if the max 2 are good enough™️ i'd be happy
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i want headphones that do transparency mode so hard
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i also want anc
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yea i'd love to buy a max that didn't suck ass (edited)
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exio4
i want headphones that do transparency mode so hard
Get the koss porta pros then lol
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frankly i would spend like 250 eagles if i saw the current max on sale but apple never discounts them
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i mostly want headphones for when im out in winter, airpods pro 2 sound weird as fuck if you cover your ears and you have something slowly move alongside them
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yea and the porta pros sound better if you're not listening to edm or jpop
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i listen to edm a lot
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they can't keep up with fast music
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so no hyperpop
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on them
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but also "transparency mode" as a feature only makes sense if you have any noise cancellation
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like transparency mode doesn't make on normal airpods
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that's just them existing
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afaik the only good true wireless overears are still the two audeze gaming sets and focal bathys
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yeah i heard focal bathys are good
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and an australian homie saw them for 300 USD
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sick deal
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crazy that sennheiser still hasn't made a good momentum
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i just want anc + transparency mode as options
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i didnt think apple's transparency mode was this good until i tried it
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and now they made me a simp
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lol
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exio4
and now they made me a simp
i'm sure that took a lot of coaxing
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@Egdarska just got this song on my release radar
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i laughed because its the most dubstep song i have heard in like a year
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i like it tho im a basic bitch
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how do you check the frequency response of the song
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i assume its 50 hz like everything else
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ok it got boring
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it goes for too long should be 120 seconds not 200+ (edited)
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you can use audacity's spectrum plot to see where it peaks
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i already moved to the next song and im gonna make msyelf some pizza
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but it's not exact because there's no good way to separate individual frequencies like that
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didnt our homie fourier solve this forever ago
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i need to fucking work i have been vibing for too long
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and its past midnight, F
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for the overall frequencies yes, homing in to one frequency is a bit harder
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i guess another use for ai
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dont harmonics only go one way
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either way, for when u have bass problems just listen to lo-fi
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ez
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@exio4
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you can basically ignore roll-offs because they won't be the "real" frequency that played
3:32 AM
so just focus on peaks, looks like lowest is 40ish
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that explains why my laptop did sound much weaker
3:43 AM
this guy is too powerful
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return to yoshi's island will be amazing if kaze ever actually releases it
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i'm honestly just happy seeing him turn the 64 inside out
3:49 AM
the demo was cool tho
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Fun fact, the Mario 64 ds model has less polygons than the original mario 64 model on the n64
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they probably shaved a lot not having to do the weird connector bits between limbs
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yeah, the ds model looks better overall
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at least to me
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also the ds model had quads because ds, so the actual triangle count is closer than it seems
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i mean i prefer the nintendo 64 model
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now that we're firmly past plastic mario i really don't like mario's design from like 2000-3d world
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i prefer the mario wonders model
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i prefer the luigi's mansion model
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i need to buy a coca cola
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or brawl
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and get to work, i just took my meds
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and opened a redbull
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i can't wait to finally get to work after 2am
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my 7-8 am deadline looking real hot rn
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i hate smash mario
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it's because he's so mad
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i've never understood why smash mario is so pissed
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because he just wants to race and host games but the hand of god makes him fight
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i'd be pissed too
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doesn't seem to piss luigi off
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luigi is built different
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luigi's a sociopath
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luigi
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plastic mario sucked though, hd mario is much better
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i love how i have no idea how any marios look
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👍 i haven't even watched the movie
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nah, luigi is more
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there's three eras of mario; the wild west of arcade-n64 where you never got the same mario twice, plastic mario from sunshine-nsmb2/u, and hd mario from 3d world on
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exio4
👍 i haven't even watched the movie
put your ai shit to good use and dub the movie with mario's game voice
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not charles, the noises from mario & luigi
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hd mario's defining difference is being allowed to have emotions
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voita berta budde baba
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but he's also a little pudgier so it's more fun to watch him scurry around
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plastic mario had two emotions: mouth open, mouth closed, and he ran like a dweeb
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i really like the odyssey model
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yea odyssey is the best mario has ever looked
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i'll give smash mario that i like him more than plastic mario
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movie mario has some cool ideas, i like that he's wearing a typical american worker uniform with rated gloves and shoes and shirt
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but the button up looks wrong on mario and i really hate his proportions
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still better than plastic mario
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the face just looks weird
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bowser is perfect for jack black though
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his face looks fine in the movie but i agree that no promo render makes the face look good
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:14 AM
I never did figure out how to get ray traced Mario 64 working
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It was like “compile it” and I was like wat
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the best mario model
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:15 AM
I started going thorough the instructions but fell away at some point and never got back to it
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i wish they'd let devs go crazy with mario like it was before sunshine, they didn't even really let square do dwarf rpg mario in a way i liked
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:15 AM
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rtx mario 64 is just ok, you didn't miss much
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i need to play it
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:16 AM
I was far enough into a file in RetroArch to not care to start over anyway
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i wonder if there's a metal version somehow
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:16 AM
Dx12 to metal somehow? I dunno
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the original mario movie is underrated
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if you're willing to meet it where it is it's a thrilling fever dream
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finally a contrarian greg opinion i agree with
4:19 AM
i hope they start doing rtx versions of gc games at some point
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:19 AM
Speaking of that era, I just heard Henry Cavill is heading up a new Highlander movie
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luigi's mansion with rtx would be an actual improvement
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i mean i would rather they do some lazy rtx shit than actually remake luigi's mansion again
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:20 AM
I never really played those
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they haven't remade luigi's mansion
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they butchered it for 3ds
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Egdarska
i hope they start doing rtx versions of gc games at some point
n64
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but it's hard for me to think that luigi's mansion 3 would look better with ray tracing
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a demake is still a remake
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i want rtx virtua racing
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because it looks really good
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:21 AM
RTX Quest 64 thonking
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but the original would probably look better, if not rtx then with baked lighting
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basically i'd be happy with a lm3 engine remake of luigi's mansion
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:22 AM
I would welcome a Shadows of the Empire remake though
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:22 AM
autohdr went from meh at 400 nits to goddamn amazing at 1300 with the aoc, totk is pretty with it
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the most i would want them to waste time on is a remake that brings it to lm3 levels, fuck ray tracing (edited)
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show me on the doll where the rays touched you
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no, it's where remakes touched me
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the rays can do whatever they want
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:23 AM
rays touch almost everywhere, then they lie and say it was everywhere
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i like remakes when they're of old enough games
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it's an opportunity cost thing
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rays touch almost everywhere, then they lie and say it was everywhere
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:24 AM
"and everything it doesn't will be added with the denoiser"
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i'm gonna get a job at nintendo and suggest we remake ocarina of time again just to spite greg
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would you rather play luigi's mansion again or luigi's mansion 4? a proper remake of luigi's mansion would take uncharitably as long to make and charitably 3/4 of the time to make
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and they would absolutely make next level do it
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:24 AM
Just hire that guy doing it in UE5
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deer sold separately
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at least zelda remakes have their own dedicated team
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but i think it's a shame nintendo won't let grezzo make a fully new 2d zelda
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i can see them offloading other remeakes to grezzo
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:25 AM
I want more 2D Zelda. I really enjoyed LBW
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since no one bought their original game
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:25 AM
Or maybe give us a crazy new Zelda 2
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Egdarska
i'm gonna get a job at nintendo and suggest we remake ocarina of time again just to spite greg
4K textures prometheus (edited)
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I'd pay $100 for that game
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:26 AM
If rather have a FFVI remake
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Egdarska
i like remakes when they're of old enough games
same cyberpunk needs a remake already
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ocarina of time rtx hd with exclusive motion controls for switch
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ps4 is last gen
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i hate all these main team remakes because it just makes the actual new thing take way longer and the side team remakes make me sad because often they make me think those teams could really make great new lower budget games in those series
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exio4
same cyberpunk needs a remake already
we start counting from the moment the game is finished
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:27 AM
PS5 is now in its “latter days” per Sony
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resident evil 4 didn't need a remake especially because it directly 'delays' resident evil 9
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 4:28 AM
Mormon Edition incoming /s
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i liked re4 remake tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:28 AM
wait is it me or did nvidia fix gsync on yuzu?
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I'd tell you, but...
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re4make was good but really shattered my desire to play any remakes
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i was alive when these games were new dammit
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:30 AM
yep, nvidia fixed the gsync issue
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greggle
i was alive when these games were new dammit
its ok time comes to all of us
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GoldenX86_64
wait is it me or did nvidia fix gsync on yuzu?
wot
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:32 AM
single window qt thing, if gsync or gsync compatible was enabled, games would boot and get stuck to 24-27 FPS on NVIDIA
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works fine now with 551.52
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bing bing vs ding dong really would've been fine just getting an nso release, it's the worse game between it and dk 94 anyway
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they could've at least remade dk 94 instead seeing as it's an og gameboy game
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:33 AM
also @exio4 fast VA is no joke
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unless you check viewing angles, it's basically IPS
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GoldenX86_64
single window qt thing, if gsync or gsync compatible was enabled, games would boot and get stuck to 24-27 FPS on NVIDIA
wack
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GoldenX86_64
unless you check viewing angles, it's basically IPS
why viewing angles
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:45 AM
it's between ips and tn in viewing angles
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not as colour inverting tn, but not rock solid like ips
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there's some gamma shift
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oh yeah, but it never dies like TNs did imo
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:45 AM
and black smearing must be recorded to be seen
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it is like, colors are slightly inaccurate (unless you're seriously off axis)
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:46 AM
yeah, you still get the intended image
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but it's not "perfect" like ips
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yeah i thought you meant it was TN-like and that felt wrong lol
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where you just get a seizure-simulator
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:47 AM
white is purple!
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no, you get for example yellow getting an orange tint, but nothing worse besides that
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tint seems accurate
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it's not a shift it's a tint lol
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i kinda miss the days of your display being spy-proof because you have to look at it head on to see anything
4:52 AM
now people can be at 170 degrees and still read everything
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you can get that
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just coat it
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also, spy-proof screens exist already
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:53 AM
now my problem is targetin 180 fps
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i remember making ghetto spy proof screens by removing the polarizing filter
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and making glasses out of it
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:55 AM
aaand forza still loads the amd card even when you force the nvidia
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microsoft coding be like
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i had that happen, i had to add it to graphics options and choose high performance manually
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don't know how that would work with 2 dgpus
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probably badly since microsoft
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:56 AM
i have it enforced to high performance and it still uses the ayymd
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does it only have one executable?
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and also, is it the microshit store version?
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GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:57 AM
it's steam
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afaik that's all it has
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would you rather play luigi's mansion again or luigi's mansion 4? a proper remake of luigi's mansion would take uncharitably as long to make and charitably 3/4 of the time to make
luigi's mansion dark moon > 3 ngl
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i really like the one where luigi gets a time machine
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i like when mario says "we really need to drive these ghosts out of Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon™️ "
6:20 AM
bruh
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>Apparently, the top Radeon RX SKU based on the next-gen RDNA4 graphics architecture will offer performance comparable to that of the current RX 7900 XTX, but at less than half its price (around the $400 mark). It is also expected to achieve this performance target using a smaller, simpler silicon, with significantly lower board cost, leading up to its price. What's more, there could be energy efficiency gains made from the switch to a newer 4 nm-class foundry node and the RDNA4 architecture itself; which could achieve its performance target using fewer numbers of compute units than the RX 7900 XTX with its 96. this is cool!
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finally a 4060 Ti competitor
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👍
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i mean, at $400 it's almost worth it
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but they're not even trying to rech even mid tier
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yeah, XTX performance for $400 is actually decent
6:21 AM
but i doubt it happens lol
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i still can't believe they actually asked $1000 for the original
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in what world is that a good deal for anyone but the dumbest amd simp?
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i had my bets on like $750 with a planned "surprise" slash to 650 a couple months later'
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its faster than a 4080 in raster
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but i didn't count on amd being amd
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:copium:
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which one is the card they realized was priced fucking stupid and they changed the price after they already sent the marketing?
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6500?
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uhh quite a few
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RX 7600 also had that
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i remember one was like on launch day "we fucked up, it's actually $100 cheaper"
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exio4
but i doubt it happens lol
There's no way
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Moonlacer
There's no way
yup
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amd thinks they should be raster off a bad way performance tier kind of deal
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Moonlacer
Finally it's time
deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 2:55 PM
So how did this work out for you?
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 3:09 PM
My house isn't large, but there's a kitchen and pantry between our router and the bedrooms/bathroom, and the signal sometimes gets iffy on that end. We had our electric system overhauled a few years ago, so I might try it out. If my router was more centralized, I probably wouldn't need anything, but I suspect that's a common issue.
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DeAthWisH00123 2/15/2024 3:14 PM
just run a long ass ethernet cable
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thats what i did for my brother who lives downstairs as the router is far away upstairs
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deadlybydsgn 2/15/2024 3:38 PM
I do that for very temporary scenarios, but it doesn't make sense for this
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deadlybydsgn
My house isn't large, but there's a kitchen and pantry between our router and the bedrooms/bathroom, and the signal sometimes gets iffy on that end. We had our electric system overhauled a few years ago, so I might try it out. If my router was more centralized, I probably wouldn't need anything, but I suspect that's a common issue.
I don't know about those, but i bought some similar ones but tlc brand, they're pretty good
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But since they repeat the signal they're not great for game streaming or stuff like that, i notice some added latency, not unplayable but significant
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Perfect for normal use tho
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My house isn't large, but there's a kitchen and pantry between our router and the bedrooms/bathroom, and the signal sometimes gets iffy on that end. We had our electric system overhauled a few years ago, so I might try it out. If my router was more centralized, I probably wouldn't need anything, but I suspect that's a common issue.
Works fine, just varies wildly with how your house is wired
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Egdarska
i remember one was like on launch day "we fucked up, it's actually $100 cheaper"
GoldenX86_64 2/15/2024 4:33 PM
5500 iirc
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And the "oops 5600 is not competitive, let's force vendors to overclock it without testing time"
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Moonlacer
Works fine, just varies wildly with how your house is wired
what speed do you get?
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how the F can anyone cool that
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takanome9104
how the F can anyone cool that
Already fixed the CPU cooler problem on my 14700k with all power limits removed on Bios (ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420), Idle temps are at 25-27 C but loud noise (500-600 RPM fan speed and with room temp around 20-22 C, winter temps), all core load 83 C but full rpm spin on the cooler (edited)
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Already fixed the CPU cooler problem on my 14700k with all power limits removed on Bios (ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420), Idle temps are at 25-27 C but loud noise (500-600 RPM fan speed and with room temp around 20-22 C, winter temps), all core load 83 C but full rpm spin on the cooler (edited)
takanome9104 2/15/2024 5:04 PM
do you hit the thermal limit during r23 bencmark ? , ive build for my brother pc with same cpu and artic freezer 360 it hit thermal limit after r23 run
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takanome9104
do you hit the thermal limit during r23 bencmark ? , ive build for my brother pc with same cpu and artic freezer 360 it hit thermal limit after r23 run
Yes, CPU did throttle in r24 multicore benchmark . But after 10min run, temps where staying between 86-92 C, never beyond 95 C. (edited)
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takanome9104 2/15/2024 5:23 PM
this is the annoying issues with these intel cpus every year they increase the power, at some point they need to focus on power instead on performance thats really stupid
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Intel is going thru their FX moment
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takanome9104 2/15/2024 5:23 PM
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Samueru
Intel is going thru their FX moment
10GHz record when?
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
takanome9104 2/15/2024 5:29 PM
this is more accurate we dont need total system power
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I don't even know what the record is these days, i think it was 9GHz
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Egdarska
I don't even know what the record is these days, i think it was 9GHz
Awesomeangotti 2/15/2024 5:48 PM
I could run totk at 60 fps on my 8700 if that was the case
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Well idle temps + power usage are ... as expected, even though Hyper-V is enabled , and WSL2 ubuntu 22.04 is running on the background. (edited)
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i got a system down to just above 0c earlier
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once or twice a month during the winter i'll just kill the heat entirely, open all windows, and just sit for a couple hours in my jacket and stuff letting the house air out, wind fly through, etc. until it feels super fresh and is same temp as outside and etc. then i'll get it all back goin again.
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sometimes though i'll take the chance to run a lower power system just to see it's temps though too, heh.
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messin with an amd apu oc right now, and just can't seem to break 4.2-4.3ghz with it, unfortunate.
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i mean, it still will boost stable a bit past it, if i keep it set to actual 4.3 or lower, and will then run around 4.5-4.6 or so, but that's it.
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normal base is 3.6 and boost is 3.9. and 4.3 and 4.5 essentially is the spot i can hit. any sliver higher totally still will run on desktop and stuff all the way up to almost 5ghz, but crashes and has obvious stability issues in games and etc.
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in fact, 4.6 and 4.7 still make it fully in game into gta v and will run for a bit, but running the benchmark crashes it.
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all said, have gta v running with a 50-60fps average on it with it's integrated graphics, not bad.
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oh, just finally had some instability at 4.3-4.5. that's fine though, tells me 4.2-4.4 is essentially guaranteed, and 100mhz won't change much.
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i got a system down to just above 0c earlier
takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:49 PM
you mean weather temp 0c but the system can go beyond 10c easily or even 20c right ?
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you mean weather temp 0c but the system can go beyond 10c easily or even 20c right ?
idle temp was 2, load temps started approaching 8-10 almost though sometimes
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takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:51 PM
what cpu ?
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i5 2500s. same one i did it with last time
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2400s i mean
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takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:51 PM
i see
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65w
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intel come back please
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yeah, probably the absolute worst sandy bridge i5 that exists that isn't a mobile or ulp chip, hehe
6:53 PM
being so low power and efficient compared to the others though, makes it run pretty cool, even under normal situations
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didn't take any pics this time, but these are the ones from last time, just wasn't as cold that day, heh.
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but yeah, just a fun experiment for me sometimes just to see how cool a system can run just on air and with it's oem cooler and etc.
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takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:54 PM
7c idle
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right there i have the side panel right off the system and open side facing out the window during winter
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takanome9104
7c idle
yeah, it's max hit like 14 or 15 or something if i recall correctly when i was running gta
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takanome9104
you mean weather temp 0c but the system can go beyond 10c easily or even 20c right ?
takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:55 PM
F i was 5c away
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Mango9999
yeah, it's max hit like 14 or 15 or something if i recall correctly when i was running gta
takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:56 PM
oh you didnt run stress tests?
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that 2400s there i do have to give credit i guess, it does exceed it's expectations usually with most things when i do use it. even fully passed the vr test back when i did a wave of that with it. was paired with a kepler gtx 670 for the test. was able to actually do quite quite a bit.
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oh you didnt run stress tests?
nah, not for that specifically no, just bored
6:57 PM
if i truly had a record breaking cold day, and was actually in the mood do go as crazy as possible, and maybe make a content piece out of it or something, then i would maybe get that into it.
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takanome9104 2/15/2024 6:59 PM
who needs ln2 when you have antarcticaprometheus
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bluemetheus
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neat, 4.5 and holding it there at all times, perfect
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well, close
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passed all basic desktop and browser tests, gta is fine, benchmark runs entirely whole way through with zero issue, system restarts consistenly every time, and been pegging it for a few minutes now to let it go for a little while. so think it's good to go.
7:03 PM
i also have a laptop i need to start working on at the same time as these other couple too here soon.
7:04 PM
laptop is an interesting piece, one that i only have a few of here actually, a laptop with a core duo (not core 2 duo) cpu in it, which is neat.
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they aren't great at all by any means, but are cool pieces to collect up now.
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the notorious intel gma950 for it's graphics
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same chip used in all those earliest netbooks and other similar things
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Mango9999
neat, 4.5 and holding it there at all times, perfect
Awesomeangotti 2/15/2024 7:48 PM
Why is that faster than my 8700
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oh it's not, heh
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4.5Ghz of the slowest cores in existence
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i basically sort of consider them for what they are, as opposed to what they were advertised or intended to be. which puts them much more into perspective and make a bit more sense.
8:55 PM
the way it was though, had them competing against things they could never beat.
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otherwise, without getting into the whole shitshow of it, because of how they were made around those generations, things like cinebench and others will read a quad core as a dual core with hyperthreading, and etc. even though they technically are not obviously. but at the same time, the way they work, essentially have that performance.
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so if you just ignore their lies and consider them to be half the core count with hyperthreading and compare them to intel chips of the same, they start to totally line up and make sense.
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but yeah, as advertised, people had them competing against true full power quads from intel at the time, making them a big joke.
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Phenom 😍
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Awesomeangotti 2/15/2024 11:52 PM
Three cores of pain
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GoldenX86_64 2/16/2024 2:34 AM
@exio4 did you see the 3050 6gb numbers
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6500xt moment, with encoding, but at the price of the 6600
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Worse performance than the 1660s
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cringe
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They made an already bad value gpu even worse 💀
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GoldenX86_64 2/16/2024 3:04 AM
another "but dlss" moment for the low end
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it needs to use performance to surpass a 1660 ti, at 1080p
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SadSinglePringle 2/16/2024 3:22 AM
speaking of dlss
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i don't think i can buy anything other than nvidia at this point
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dlss is just too good
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SadSinglePringle 2/16/2024 3:56 AM
valve prism just dropped
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>tongue tracking
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i think the funniest part isn't any of the joke specs, it's rdna3 for vr
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RDNA3 is fine for VR
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lain
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GoldenX86_64 2/16/2024 6:33 AM
once av1 is the standard for encoding kek
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Just use 200Mbps 👀
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SadSinglePringle 2/16/2024 7:01 AM
lowkey they had me psyched out for like 1 minute
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before i started actually reading
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SadSinglePringle
lowkey they had me psyched out for like 1 minute
Valve has launched a high-end standalone headset dubbed the Prism with specs capable of taking on the Apple Vision Pro. With a starting price of $1,299 versus $3,499 starting price of the Vision Pro, and including full PC compatibility, the Valve Prism is shaping up as a potential Vision Pro killer.
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they deleted it lol
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Nice
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can I ask a HWfly related question and the OLED RST point?
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GoldenX86_64
once av1 is the standard for encoding kek
it already is, its just that amd underperforms
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SadSinglePringle
dlss is just too good
xess needs to ship in more games
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xess xmx is also good
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no
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no??
11:01 AM
xess > FSR
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OldManKain
xess > FSR
XeSS XMX > XeSS DP4a > FSR but DLSS and XeSS XMX trade blows supposedly, so I hope I can pick up an Arc gpu at some point to try them
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GoldenX86_64 2/16/2024 6:42 PM
Even DP4a looks good
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exio4
i looked at the screens, were too high res for a consumer product
Too low tbh
7:35 PM
Wake me up when we have 8192x8192 per cone (edited)
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OldManKain
xess > FSR
Shit>>>fsr
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I haven't tried upscaling with Shit yet. Which method does it use?
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squanchy 🥗 2/16/2024 9:54 PM
With WHAT?
10:08 PM
Never change, Intel
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Awesomeangotti 2/16/2024 10:20 PM
Big xeon
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squanchy 🥗 2/16/2024 10:44 PM
This means the compiler (in this case, Intel's oneAPI DPC++/C++ Compiler) was not optimized for a particular kind of workload, or even for specific applications, but specifically for two SPEC CPU 2017 benchmarks
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Sussy
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Remember Bapco or whatever it was?
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The "independent testers" who kept producing heavily pro-Intel benchmarks...then it was revealed Intel were funding them lol.
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i.e. it was an "industry body" and Intel was the main member of the body.
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BAPCo, Business Applications Performance Corporation, is a non-profit consortium (founded in 1991) with a charter to develop and distribute a set of objective performance benchmarks for personal computers based on popular software applications and operating systems. BAPCo's current membership includes Acer, ARCIntuition, ASUS, Compal, Dell, Dyna...
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BAPco has suffered criticism for bias in its benchmarking products. It was found in 2002 that Intel was the sole contributor to a series of CPU tests, tests which heavily favoured their own CPU's vs competitors, where the tests of the year before performed significantly better on non-Intel parts.[1] Intel was investigated by the FTC, and eventually fined for this action, among other anti-competitive measures.
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Isn't userbenchmark another of those?
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UB isn't paid by intel
11:08 PM
he's just got issues
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Nah, that guy is being paid, we just don't know it yet
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squanchy 🥗 2/16/2024 11:14 PM
I think it's someone who bought an FX-9590 and is still mad about the 220W TDP. (edited)
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I remember people put that CPU on motherboards that only supported the FX-8350 kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/16/2024 11:38 PM
@Mango9999 I have a job for you Do you have a Fermi on hand?
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Samueru
Nah, that guy is being paid, we just don't know it yet
Nah, he's the worst kind of shill, the unpaid shill
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just like me fr
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Nvidia shill, apple shill, facebook shill
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 12:05 AM
@exio4 stop being an Apple shill, install Asahi on your expensetop and run yuzu with OpenGL
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is m2 max even supported?
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lol
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Egdarska
Nvidia shill, apple shill, facebook shill
the holy trinity
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 12:05 AM
Yeah, M1 and M2 has full 4.6 support
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Validated even
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Linux offering better API support than Apple already
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i said m2 max
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not m2
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m1 pro/max had some weird quirks back in the day
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 12:11 AM
Should still work
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GoldenX86_64
Linux offering better API support than Apple already
not shocked btw
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apple has just stopped caring about OpenGL
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deprecated for like a decade already iirc
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exio4
the holy trinity
I forgot valve shill
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The middle of the shill triforce
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 1:04 AM
The only decent of those 4
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valve makes generally mediocre hardware lol
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out of the hardware companies to shill for it's weird
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it's just that valve has to compete with Asus
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 1:11 AM
God tier software though
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And good value most of the time
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GoldenX86_64
God tier software though
wdym by that? because I wouldn't call steam that
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 1:24 AM
Compare to any other store/launcher
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The steam launcher even once had a bug that ran an rm -rf / kek
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i think this is all relative
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GoldenX86_64
Compare to any other store/launcher
Depends on what you want
1:25 AM
Gog is superior to steam in my opinion because it just launches my games
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I can just disable notifications, or not run it at all
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deadlybydsgn 2/17/2024 1:26 AM
I, for one, still launch all of my games from the command prompt like a gentleman. /s
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Also steam on linux disables the screensaver even when no game is running
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deadlybydsgn 2/17/2024 1:26 AM
GOG is good but Steam has lots of features
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Most of those "features" are just bloat for me
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Samueru
Also steam on linux disables the screensaver even when no game is running
GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 1:27 AM
You can blame gnome for that
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Controller mapping is cool tho
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GoldenX86_64
You can blame gnome for that
Was this something that they forced because of gnome?
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 1:27 AM
Afaik yes
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right now I have to launch steam with steam-screensaver-fix which does some ld preload hacks
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And on gamemode when a game is launched is that the screensaver is disabled
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Linux gaming be like
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deadlybydsgn 2/17/2024 1:28 AM
I appreciate Valve’s recent emphasis on store events
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Next Fest, etc
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GoldenX86_64
@Mango9999 I have a job for you Do you have a Fermi on hand?
maybe 12 or 15 or so give or take
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 1:50 AM
I need you to set up a windows 10 or 11 PC with a Fermi card, regular Windows, you need to install the opencl opengl Vulkan compatibility pack
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Then test if yuzu runs games on Vulkan
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Vulkan Fermi Is kinda here
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Interesting
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i have a couple systems that would be ready to go for it, just can't do it right this second, but will indeed try to here shortly.
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i have many other systems too with win10 on that would be easy to just toss any fermi card of choice into really too.
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i don't have every single fermi card ever made, but i have one of pretty much every gpu or variant that exists, or a way to represent any tier, whether geforce or quadro
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Samueru
The steam launcher even once had a bug that ran an rm -rf / kek
steam and rf rm a disk a couple times and it will still be better than the competition
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Well on linux there isn't any so that is technically true, but I wouldn't call steam good software though
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valve is not good at this
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they're just not so bad you wanna quit gaming
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(most of the time)
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like, if you look at the 5700xt's display issues, pcie woes, utterly broken encoders
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you'd think that gaming is just doomed and get a bunch of video streaming subscriptions to kill time
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exio4
like, if you look at the 5700xt's display issues, pcie woes, utterly broken encoders
You know what is crazy? rdna1 is actually the good card on linux
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rdna2 has some weird ring timeouts and rdna3, well the 7800 XT can't reboot without giving you a permanent black screen
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through the hard work and perseverance of distinctly not amd
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amd does not love mesa and will never tuck them in at night
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but the chad lads do it anyway
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Samueru
You know what is crazy? rdna1 is actually the good card on linux
"good"
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GoldenX86_64
Vulkan Fermi Is kinda here
is the cpu or anything else going to matter? will haswell be fine? and any specific fermi gpu in mind really?
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exio4
like, if you look at the 5700xt's display issues, pcie woes, utterly broken encoders
A few days ago someone was on the archlinux forum asking about the state of Intel arc because they were so done with their 6600XT randomly crashing
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 2:06 AM
Haswell is fine Try to use something with at least 1gb or 2
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Samueru
A few days ago someone was on the archlinux forum asking about the state of Intel arc because they were so done with their 6600XT randomly crashing
linux bros will do anything except buy working hardware
kek 1
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Samueru
A few days ago someone was on the archlinux forum asking about the state of Intel arc because they were so done with their 6600XT randomly crashing
yeah i mean, that's amd
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called it
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Also now the NVK drivers on nvidia are getting very good (edited)
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Even at the worst I've heard about nvidia on linux, they at least kinda work
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 2:52 AM
Arc sucks on Linux too
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SadSinglePringle 2/17/2024 4:35 AM
Lowkey I wish their was an application on windows that could mimic hyprland
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I miss linux
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But I also have an nvidia laptop so I can't go back
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 4:37 AM
linux has it so much worse than windows on gpus still...
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amd has god tier rendering but zero recovery, making it a russian roulette
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intel has useless vulkan drivers
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and nvidia still has kms module dependency, and bad wayland support
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SadSinglePringle
Lowkey I wish their was an application on windows that could mimic hyprland
It took file explorer what, 15 years to get browser tabs, maybe in the next 10 years there will be tiling wm in windows
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SadSinglePringle 2/17/2024 4:53 AM
Theirs already a program that can mimic it
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Just not one with the animations of hyprland
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Which would be nigh impossible
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What's the program name?
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SadSinglePringle 2/17/2024 4:55 AM
A tiling window manager for Windows 🇵🇸. Contribute to LGUG2Z/komorebi development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Just no where near as smooth or animated or quick like on linux
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Which makes me sad
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Does it override the win key hotkeys?
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I now can't use a window PC because I'm pressing win+f like an idiot opening the feedback hud every time lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:15 AM
still, gotta say, gnome with fractional scaling is quite usable
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why is that not enabled by default? only the rejected appled devs at gnome know
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can you do it the mac way
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like I run my 1440p monitor (thx again btw <3) at "1080p" but it's actually 4K downsampled to 1440p, with 2x scaling (edited)
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macOS doesn't technically do fractional scaling AFAIK
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gnome in a nutshell
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exio4
can you do it the mac way
GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:48 AM
Windows movement between different scaling displays is seamless at least Which is a huge W against windogs (edited)
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that was the only thing i liked about linux back when i tried different distros, the window management is pretty cool when it worked
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:49 AM
When it works
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When it doesn't, you hate it
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yeah, windows dwm is bland but at least it "usually" works
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:50 AM
I'm using Linux because it's basically mandatory for my laptop until an LTSC W11 shows up, but Fedora has treated me well so far
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i used to have the powertoys window resizing thing but i don't really need it on the laptop
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since i usually just use one window on the left and the rest on top
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but that was cool
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:51 AM
Best toys
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The usable search bar is the best one
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Wish it could replace the joke the start menu has
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i personally dont like overly complex window management, but macOS is a bit dumb at times due to Apple vibes
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:52 AM
At least it's reliable
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that's why i dont like when it gets complex
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i used to have that window one and the power rename
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the keyboard manager is also cool but i prefer to just use autohotkey since i don't need it all the time
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idk i personally would rather have virtual windows over any of this
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im on a 14" display, 27" is bigger but it isn't pixel dense enough to have multiple apps (at 1440p)
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:56 AM
Normal sized glasses when
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GoldenX86_64
Normal sized glasses when
what kind
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:57 AM
VR/AR or just AR but decent
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https://us.shop.xreal.com/products/xreal-air-2-pro this is the closest rn to eye headphones but it's cumbersome and what not
Air2 Pro. The ultimate wearable display experience. Ships in 5 work days. Explore >> Connectivity: USB-C DisplayPort Items Included: Glasses Unit Prescription Lens Frame (Details available on XREAL's official website or through our partner, JUN GINZA) Detachable USB Type-C Cable Light Shield Three types of Nose P
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idk i personally would rather have virtual windows over any of this
do you miss windows flip 3d?
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:57 AM
Small enough, but must be wired
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Vista my beloved
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GoldenX86_64
Small enough, but must be wired
yes, it is wired
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Egdarska
do you miss windows flip 3d?
what is that
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lol
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another microsoft idea for the future of computing
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it died in vista
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i switched to linux in 2007-2008 from windows xp
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and used linux until i switched to macOS
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only gave windows a go with w10 and it was meh but w11 was an improvement and it's getting better
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w13 is gonna be the year microsoft has a consistent ux
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oh that one
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:59 AM
You skipped w8
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3d alt tab that required a beefy gpu just to show your open apps
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:59 AM
You pussy, suffer 8
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GoldenX86_64
You skipped w8
vista, 7, 8 and 8.1
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8.1 was fine, fight me
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i wanted windows 8's metro ui though
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:59 AM
8.1 was fine
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Egdarska
3d alt tab that required a beefy gpu just to show your open apps
isn't it still a thing?
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i only moved on from 8.1 in 2021 i think
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 5:59 AM
Vista and 7 were ez Vanilla 8 was painful
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exio4
isn't it still a thing?
no, it's just a 2d image now
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just that "rendering a few triangles at 60 fps with cute animations" is no longer like, beefy
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:00 AM
8.1 was fine 10 was unstable 8.1 11 is good but has too much telemetry
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flip 3d was techinically also "2d" but it displayed in 3d and was coded by actual monkeys
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and could only show like 6 windows lol
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widgets were also one of those "it works for phones but dumb on desktop" ideas
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i literally never see my wallpaper
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talking about telemetry
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tech bubble: "Apple has bad AI" Base for this take:
  • Siri Ignoring:
  • image object recognition
  • Music Karaoke
  • Live Photos video upscaling
  • Adaptive Transparency
  • best Smartwatch sleep-tracking
  • visual lookup
  • PDF auto-fill detection
  • much more
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i love how every twitter thread that is weirdly popular has people with the worst takes you've ever heard boosted lol
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i'm with the russian spy, we shouldn't let companies call current models AI
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machine learning is a good term
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but the key is that they "mean the same, realistically"
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people are complaining about terminology when apple is vibing hard beyond the competition in machine learning shit
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there are "rumors" that "Apple is putting AI cores on M4"
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i propose the term "spicy if else trees"
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Apple has shipped NPUs for half a decade
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Egdarska
i propose the term "spicy if else trees"
statistical models aren't if/else trees, but that's what siri is more like right now (edited)
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you right, they're more like mandalas
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Egdarska
you right, they're more like mandalas
not really, the statistical models are just fancy interpolation
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or extrapolation at times
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conceptually speaking they just massage numbers a lot on one side, and numbers at the other side come out (edited)
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which you then convert into an output
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i wanna record ~spatial video~ with this smh
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just tape 2 phones together
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the key is that those are nearly-perfect true POV
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tape them to your face
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too heavy bro
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it's probably going to be closer too because the cameras on the glasses don't correspond to the center of the eyes anyway
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Egdarska
it's probably going to be closer too because the cameras on the glasses don't correspond to the center of the eyes anyway
usually what you see on mixed reality reprojections is massaged a lot with image processing in real-time
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to make it match what your eyes would see
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i wonder if you'd be able to make videos that make people puke on purpose by messing with the camera origin data
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subtly but enough to make them dizzy over time
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Egdarska
subtly but enough to make them dizzy over time
this is basically where vr legs come in
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but then it would be worse (edited)
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because that relies on the data from the camera location being accurate (edited)
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vr immersive videos tend to be shit
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with the wrong IPD
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i think you really overestimate the quality of a lot of XR content lol
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games are like, where it is good
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but movies and that are a struggle
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but it's usually bad equally for both eyes
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i'm talking about messing with the camera origin for each eye separately
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Egdarska
but it's usually bad equally for both eyes
... not guaranteed, actually
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how bad are the headsets that the cameras are just flopping around?
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Egdarska
how bad are the headsets that the cameras are just flopping around?
I don't mean the camera passthrough
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I mean immersive 360/180 degree video
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you can make shitty 180 degree videos on youtube
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exio4
games are like, where it is good
i want vr animal crossing
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and link me
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Egdarska
i want vr animal crossing
uhh
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there are a lot of sandbox games which "copy" the vibe
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i haven't seen a single animal crossing ripoff that is even similar
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im tired as fuck
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they usually either copy the aesthetics, the animals, or the "gameplay", but not all three
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oh btw @Egdarska i said i was tired as fuck every morning, or night
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and he said he had the same issue, and it was sleep apneq
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checked apple watch
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it thinks i have <10 breaths per minute at times
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does your guys' healthcare cover sleep apnea masks?
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👍 i think im gonna die
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Egdarska
does your guys' healthcare cover sleep apnea masks?
i'm not sure it will do now
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exio4
it thinks i have <10 breaths per minute at times
maybe it's just deep breaths
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i'm sure it would have a year ago
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but that's communism
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rn i can't really afford a doctor visit anyway
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based ancap bro gonna fix the country
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i was surprised to see i'm slightly healthier than in my last physical, and my doctor even more so
6:27 AM
but i also found out i can't do pull ups anymore, so that's a real goal i have to work to
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i can do barely half now
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what are pull ups
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you grab a bar an pull yourself up
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oh these
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i can't do any rn
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i could when i was 20 kilos lighter tho
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full means your clavicle reaches the bar
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i can barely put my head to the bar lol
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but i'm also 260lbs
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though when i could i was heavier
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but also stronger so 🤷‍♂️ i really let myself go
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stareted using a logi mech keyboard - for the pricepoint i am v v v happy AShappy
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which one you got? @aphirst
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exio4
which one you got? @aphirst
K855 - paid i think about 55 quid for it as well as maybe 20 quid for a bolt-compatible mouse
11:12 AM
sick
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strongly considering buying a 2nd one for work
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i'm using my laptop's keyboard rn, but i've got my g915 tkl for the desktop/headset next to me, i wish logitech made a usb-c version....
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i have a whole bunch of older logi Unifying keebs and mice that i might sell on
11:12 AM
what does tkl mean
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no numpad but still normal
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ah right
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its not the hyper compact stuff
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Ten Key Layout ?
11:13 AM
just guessing
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ten-key-less iirc
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ahhhh
11:13 AM
numpads are interesting but ultimately not necessary
11:13 AM
unless you regularly do data entry
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the key (sorry) is that you've still got the normal layout, but it isn't starting to collapse functionality into a function+arrow key for page up/down, etc
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i have a usb 10key at work specifically for when inputting student grades into a spreadsheet
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i dont use a numpad, i've always hated numpads
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but otherwise it just wastes deskspace
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i only had numpads as a kid cuz that's what the cheap keyboards have/had (edited)
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all my keebs are japanese layout ofc, i wonder whether i can flog them to westerners online
11:14 AM
my keyboards are a mess lol
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maybe one person would be interested in just buying them off me in bulk
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my laptops are in german, my logitech is english iso? i think? the small enter key, and the backup one i have around is latin american spanish lol
11:15 AM
they're all in english through software anyways lol
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i absolutely fscking despise en-US layout
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i dont use the german or spanish layouts
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i have a german logi K780 somewhere
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en-US?
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but since i do stuff in japanese occasionally i basically need japanese layout
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exio4
en-US?
yeah because en-GB is different
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this is the g915 tkl
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i think thats the layout i use on all my keyboards? kinda?
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idk i got used to the american layout for software dev as a kid
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the clis of the world are basically coded with the assumption you've got an american layout as well
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this is Japanese layout and you can see it has the UK/EU enter key, weird punctuation, and also weird space/shift/backspace geometry
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exio4
uhhh
i grew up with the UK layout, got used to german layout in germany, then started using Japanese layout since living in japan; i always hated the US layout with the symbol placement and the flat enter key
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i dunno
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aphirst
i grew up with the UK layout, got used to german layout in germany, then started using Japanese layout since living in japan; i always hated the US layout with the symbol placement and the flat enter key
you sure you mean uk and not ansi vs iso
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this @aphirst
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not all boards with the 7-shaped enter key are the same geometry though
11:32 AM
pay close attention to the backspace key on the japanese board
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Haswell is fine Try to use something with at least 1gb or 2
sorry i didn't finish up last night, was kinda tired and had a few hurdles that were too annoying to deal with at the time.
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firstly, i need to actually know where to get this vulkan compatibility pack in a way that is NOT that windows store.
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but, that aside, fermi cards no longer work whatsoever even with opengl now it seems with newest versions, even with their newest driver, and even though they clearly have the opengl support for it, the emulator will still just say it does not and not even let you try to launch games.
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vulkan is no longer even an option too by defaul, with it being greyed out entirely and won't let you even try, with an error beforehand even saying it failed to initialize.
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that compat back may solve that though, who knows.
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otherwise as of now, way way older versions are the best to use for such hardware, and the only possible option for most.
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i see some issues here, possibly able to address it.
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it thinks it's "opengl4.5" for some reason.
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didn't know there was a 4.5...
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the current specific card is a quadro 2000
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newest possible driver
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going to try yet another gpu, and go back to a geforce this time
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ok, got some results now
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just only with opengl, but is a start
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got a 550ti to totally take and accept it as opengl4.6
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so it's either a 400 series problem vs 500 series specifically, or a low end vs high end thing specifically. it's not a geforce vs quadro thing.
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but yeah, not all of fermi is supported at all anymore.
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 4:05 PM
It's only in the play store, unboomer yourself and run a regular Windows build
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It's only in the play store, unboomer yourself and run a regular Windows build
i do, i don't log in on most of them
6:02 PM
does it just download a thing i can then copy to one of the other systems and install there
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or do you HAVE to sign in on every system you want it on
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:02 PM
You can download it without an account, just close the popup asking to login (edited)
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otherwise, if you are saying that many of you actually sign your account into every win10 system you use, shit, don't do that...
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as for legit windows, i don't have a single non legit win10 system, i just have too too many keys to do that shit
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i think i narrowed down the seperate issue above there too, getting fermi to work at all that is.
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and i think it mostly comes down to a fermi 1.0 vs fermi 2.0 issue.
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i just can't get any of my fermi 1.0 based cards to work anymore, and all just get detected as opengl 4.5 by the emulator, but still clearly are 4.6. but the fermi 2.0 cards, most of them (but still not all) tend to take right off the bat.
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notlaurence 2/17/2024 6:06 PM
I bought an extra 64gb of ram coming tomorrow for my ML training, do y'all think I'll finally be able to play totk at 120p /s
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if you weren't before, no, not by just adding ram
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notlaurence 2/17/2024 6:08 PM
thankfully I'm able to run the game at 1440p at decent framerates, I just think its absurd that in just under 10 years I go from having 4gb of ram to now 80
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it will still run fine then and the same as it did before. if your ram before was super slow and horrendous, and you are going to super fast and awesome ram, then you would maybe see a tiny bump in actual visible performance, but even then wouldn't be much.
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still nice to have though for other things.
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notlaurence 2/17/2024 6:10 PM
oh yeah, the totk thing was a joke, but I will benefit with the new ram for a bunch of other things
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for anyone curious about the way above there, here is the gtx 550 ti results with current version of yuzu and 8 player smash, using standard opengl. already full playability here so far.
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You can download it without an account, just close the popup asking to login (edited)
is this the exact specific thing right here? https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NQPSL29BFFF?hl=en-US&gl=US
This compatibility pack allows more of your favorite OpenCL™, OpenGL®, and Vulkan® apps to run on a Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC that doesn't have these hardware drivers installed by default. If a DirectX 12 driver is installed, supported apps will run with hardware acceleration for better performance. This package supports apps that use OpenCL v...
6:19 PM
if so, i have bad news.
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if not, just let me know, heh.
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it does indeed install without logging in, and didn't even ask me, which is cool. installed fine and confirmed on the system itself.
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yuzu however, even when selecting vulkan and attempting, gives the same error as before saying it failed to load the video core or there is an outdated driver.
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fermi drivers can only go so far, and i do have the newest possible one.
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yuzu version 1716.
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is this the exact specific thing right here? https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NQPSL29BFFF?hl=en-US&gl=US
GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:21 PM
Yeah it's that One sec you need a custom build
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:21 PM
We block dozen for now on purpose
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@Mango9999
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Fuck
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My isp is dead
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@PacoA can you pass mango the build I made?
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no rushes at all, hehe.
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i'm just sitting getting going for the rest of my day for now.
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having some chips and watching a few videos while i smoke and stuff too.
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Sure, mango send me a dm
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I'll send it there
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:35 PM
Thanks
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Tourism saturated my isp here, it barely works
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these are the options i still have after.
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i don't see any dx12 option, and vulkan itself still doesn't work.
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@PacoA@GoldenX86_64
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:42 PM
Use Vulkan
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again, i did, it doesn't work still
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:42 PM
Then select the second Fermi option
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Show me your available Vulkan devices in yuzu
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after i pick vulkan, there is no other option to pick, the second still remains grey
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one sec
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 6:43 PM
Ah gotcha
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To old d3d12 for dozen
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Thanks mango
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hard to tell with that shitty camera, but yeah, has no option to pick at all, and is grey and won't let me drop it down even.
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this is normal and expected under normal circumstances.
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but yeah, nothing new is being forced or that i can see.
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there's the final error, which we all already know, but just for reference.
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and further confirmation anyway that the file indeed is replaced/in use.
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which specific version of yuzu did any of you use to do it before? and what specific fermi cards has a person actually tried before, and confirmed results?
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how did they originally install the emulator, and any other minor things?
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i'm using official build, newest one at the time as of this morning unless there is even newer right now. using windows 10 fully up to date as of actual today. don't run any monitoring or other softwares during such specific tests at all.
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i5 4440, gtx 550 ti, 8gb ddr3, 250gb hdd.
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games tried: virtua racing, mario 3d world, smash bros, breath of the wild.
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tried recopying the file again anyway, tried picking opengl just to see if maybe there was a different option in it's second thing, tried picking null just to see if maybe it would show up there, and still nothing.
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that vulkan compatibility pack totally did download and install from the ms store, and when i look in it's library it is indeed totally there and on my system. is there some further thing i need to do with this maybe? or that i'm maybe overlooking?
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does it have to be further installed from there or something? nothing happens if you click "open" by it, because it's already installed and has no thing to open.
6:55 PM
kinda like on steam there
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. different update to the seperate issue up there relating to opengl and fermi. using gpuz i can see that even it is detecting some of the more obscure and older fermi cards as opengl4.5, but once i put something like a 550ti or other newer/greater one in, shows the expected 4.6.
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so yeah, even though all of fermi on paper does officially support 4.6, there is some thing making the older fermi1.0 cards no longer accepted as such, or something.
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with a 550ti though, even up to games like smash, and even under opengl, you get full playability, pretty cool.
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which specific version of yuzu did any of you use to do it before? and what specific fermi cards has a person actually tried before, and confirmed results?
GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:09 PM
That same one, and got no confirmation, I wanted to know if Fermi could run it But it seems it lacks required d3d12 features
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yes, i agree and believe it also comes down to this
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if i "could" have a d12 driver to install or that would make the card accepted as such, even if hacked/rigged, i think it then could maybe force or be attempted.
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otherwise right now it just wants that real bad.
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:10 PM
Maybe Kepler works
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shit, thanks for telling me that little quirk of downloading shit from the store without logging in there, haha
7:43 PM
can't believe i never heard of it before or considered it
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squanchy 🥗 2/17/2024 7:47 PM
Does the Mangosoft Store require login?
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Maybe Kepler works
vulkan running on a quadro k2000, essentially a gtx650/gt740 ish kepler card. performance is better than opengl, and by a clearly visible amount, which is good. performance starts out as it's going to be mostly from the start, without the obvious shader hell of before.
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:49 PM
Can you try dozen on it too? See if it's better
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otherwise yeah, with a kepler card, everything worked right away first shot as expected and how instructed, so fermi is the problem with the other there, no biggie though
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:50 PM
Dozen provides a newer Vulkan than the Nvidia driver
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Can you try dozen on it too? See if it's better
what does that mean
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:50 PM
But no idea how good it is
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Installing the compatibility pack from the windows store
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oh it has that right now
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it's the same system from before, just different gpu
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so yeah, i have the pack, and am using the custom build
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:50 PM
Then selecting "Microsoft Direct3D 12 (Quadro K2000)" as the device
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correct, that's what i did
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:51 PM
Nice!
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and yeah, results right now are very very great, far exceeding my expectations
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:51 PM
So Kepler works, is it better than the native Vulkan driver?
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Newer games will crash, keep that in mind
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hehe, the native one crashes on me more times than not, to the point where i avoid it at all costs unless i am at maxwell or greater. so i would say that's a resounding yes, haha
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:52 PM
NICE
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Thanks
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The Microsoft dozen dev is in vacation, but once he's back I'll try to provide what's missing to get it working on all games
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otherwise for performance sake, the default vulkan driver, on 600 series cards, largely has the same performance as opengl. i know that sounds weird, but others have indeed experienced it too. just doesn't work that well natively on the cards i guess.
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:53 PM
@Blinkhawk Kepler works with dozen, and beats the native Vulkan driver
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Lol
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shit, that 8 player smash round is still just plowing holding 60fps all times now
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will not even stutter anymore
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:54 PM
Guess next test is GCN
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my video way way above was it's opengl performance earlier today itself with same emulator version for comparison, this is nearly double it
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:54 PM
What else has d3d12? Old GCN and broadwell? (edited)
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gcn will likely be the cutoff point for sure
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i can still get gcn1.0 cards to do almost all current things even
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their highest end firepros are still quite powerful too, and have a ton of vram
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 7:55 PM
Forgot to test if dozen runs arceus, that's where old GCN stops working for yuzu on Vulkan
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If dozen makes arceus work for it, epic win
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Dozen is promising
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:01 PM
Guess gen9 intel is worth it too, it can't run scarlet
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What else has d3d12? Old GCN and broadwell? (edited)
apple
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:09 PM
Real d3d12
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if kepler's dx12 support counts, so does apple's
8:10 PM
fr
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but, unironically, is there a way to install dozen as a standalone thing?
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:11 PM
Afaik no
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Wonder if someone got it ported to apple, else you will have to use it over a windows VM
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no, I mean, I'd run windows yuzu
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GPTK (the DX12 layer) is windows-emulation-exclusive afaik
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it'd be doing ARM => x86 => ARM lol
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is there really no .exe / .msi / .something to install dozen?
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>Microsoft dozen Vulkan driver is available since 22.1.0 in MSVC package and since 22.2.0 in MinGW package as well. This driver relies on D3D12 API to function and it can use GPU acceleration on supported systems. File names: dzn_icd.x86_64.json, dzn_icd.x86.json, vulkan_dzn.dll. For information on how to deploy see usage notes.
8:17 PM
alright, so vulkan drivers are just a .dll
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:18 PM
That should work, but I couldn't get it to load
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Most likely I missed something
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Vulkan Loader. Contribute to KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Loader development by creating an account on GitHub.
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:20 PM
Guess it needs a system wide installation then
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What else has d3d12? Old GCN and broadwell? (edited)
gcn 1.0. firepro w4100. same gpu as a radeon hd7770 ghz edition, just slightly cut.
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yuzu doesn't boot
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and similarly to the other, results are sometimes magnitudes greater
8:23 PM
game still holding 60 right now
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things like the firepro w7000, s7000, radeon sky 500, and etc should all be able to tank botw now
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:23 PM
Compare to native Vulkan
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it only boots the simplest of games on the card
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like virtua racing as an example of the best
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the ones it does run though do run full speed, but yeah, it's hell getting any to run at all before
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would always just deal with opengl with them
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:24 PM
So it's already a compatibility boost
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even opengl has a hard time booting a large number of games on the card as it is
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but still, the ones that do, generally perform ok
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GoldenX86_64 2/17/2024 8:25 PM
I'll mention this in the next report, it's a huge help for old hardware users
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indeed
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i know a lot of emulators are just starting to ditch older support and stuff, and i totally do get it, and don't fault them totally for it
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but the few who CAN remain supporting all of us until the very end, will not be forgotten, and people love it
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keeping that dev philosophy is a great thing
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and yeah, won't always work out, but the fact it's at least considered is what matters, because yeah, some get kinda pretentious about it even
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. so would intel hd 4000 range, things like intel hd4400 and hd4600, be what you were referring to up there with respect to intel curiosity? (edited)
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lets hope dozen doesnt need avx lol
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it already works on the cpus themselves with the graphics
8:33 PM
been using some of them for the tests so far with dedicated cards
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just haven't tried their integrated in a long time
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but yeah, their i3 chips generally will have the intel hd4400 and i5 and i7 chips the hd4600 (edited)
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. intel hd4600 does not work
8:49 PM
kinda expected though, heh, but wanted to try...
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ok, I've got yuzu-cmd doing something, is there a way to dump all the valid graphics backends?
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oh wait
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exio4
ok, I've got yuzu-cmd doing something, is there a way to dump all the valid graphics backends?
Are you trying to get yuzu running on asashi?
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no, macOS
9:32 PM
i'm trying to procrastinate alright?
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Isnt opengl like super ancient on macos?
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Asashi will give you better opengl results
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I'm trying to use directx12
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Oh is that the compatibility layer they recently mentioned?
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yeah, dozen => gptk => metal (edited)
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i have low expectations, but uh
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gptk can run cyberpunk?
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But yuzu doesnt use directx?
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dozen is a Vulkan => DX12 translation layer
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GPTK is a DX12 => Metal translation layer
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Oh I see
9:36 PM
Worth the shot I guess
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dunno lol
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the ui doesn't boot for some reason
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rip too many gotchas
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exio4
rip too many gotchas
Time to spin asashi
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Samueru
Time to spin asashi
effort
2:50 AM
Gran turismo 6 with HDR sounds perfect
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squanchy 🥗 2/18/2024 3:41 AM
This is like my sister telling me to try her cooking.
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he has video proof it works pretty well
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mentions some of the issues it's got at the moment
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and the inherent downside (performance overhead)
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NVIDIA's game HDR feature isn't even openly supported yet lol
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it was found in the drivers
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the debanding sounds like an awesome use of AI tbh
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take 8-bit video and add intermediate gradients with machine learning
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 3:46 AM
Fixes so many skyboxes
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I'd actually like a debanding filter without the brightness
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it'd likely be possible to run on the NPU in AS
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would work great for playing SDR games over the network on the laptop
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SadSinglePringle 2/18/2024 4:45 AM
Mmm
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More reasons I will never be able to switch back to amd
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i want to see a comparison of auto hdr, nvidia hdr, and the native hdr in re2 remake
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i wouldn't be surprised if nvidia hdr is better than the native implementation
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exio4
and the inherent downside (performance overhead)
i thought performance would be worse tbh
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GoldenSun3DS 2/18/2024 4:56 AM
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GoldenSun3DS 2/18/2024 5:05 AM
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I have two RTX 4060 Ti GPUs in my PC. One of them is in an X1 to X16 PCIE adaptor plus a ROG Strix PCIE Riser cable. The motherboard is PCIE Gen 3.0 only. It was supposed to be both GPUs with 16GB VRAM, but the eBay seller I bought it from labeled the 8GB version as 16GB, so I nees to return it, but for now I'm using 16GB + 8GB. AI LLM doesn't seem to be held back much by the Gen 3 X1 bandwidth because the LLM performance was about the same as with only the 16GB GPU if I allocate 8GB to each GPU. The performance isn't much better when utilizing more of the total 24GB VRAM, so the extra 8GB VRAM probably doesn't help much. It's also annoying to get the LLM to properly utilize the full capabilities of multiple GPUs when they have mismatched VRAM capacities. (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:04 AM
"The more you buy, the more you save"
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GoldenX86_64
"The more you buy, the more you save"
amd can't say the same
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rdna2 => rdna3 was a downgrade in VR performance lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:09 AM
And ada is a downgrade in every gpu tier
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not really, there's still improvements
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exio4
not really, there's still improvements
(other than the 4060, which is a weird card) (edited)
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exio4
(other than the 4060, which is a weird card) (edited)
4060 vs 3060 is still like a 50% improvement with modern rendering lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:11 AM
Amd, does a phenom 2 to fx with rdna3 Nvidia, "haha, look at me murder the entire entry and mid range market"
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but 4060 Ti vs 3060 Ti is a jump at low resolutions, RT & efficiency - uses like 35% less power in the "worst case", can use less than half, it is a big improvement, if you use DLSS at 1440p
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alan wake 2 numbers aren't even close for those 2
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4060 vs 3060 is still like a 50% improvement with modern rendering lol
4060 is muuuch faster
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but it loses 4GB of VRAM
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so it's weird
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i unironically love the 4060's performance numbers
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:11 AM
And still expensive
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for the price it's insanely good
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be thankful it isn't 6
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:12 AM
5060, 96 bit wide, 4x slot, 6gb But path tracing yo
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4060 Ti is still an improvement over the 3060 Ti tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:12 AM
In 3 games
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1080p gaming
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:12 AM
Oh sorry, 5
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which is what the card can do, and 1440p + DLSS Quality is 1080p performance
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:12 AM
Still an excuse
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Generational rot
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yeah bro, people buy 4060 for 4k gaming
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it is, NVIDIA is pulling another "we got you mofo"
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4060 Ti was $399 for 8G
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tho
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exio4
it is, NVIDIA is pulling another "we got you mofo"
I consider Ada better than Ampere anyway
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:13 AM
And now even 1080p games use over 8gb
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Ampere was the e-waste generation
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:13 AM
That card will age like shit
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it's a 60 series card, those always aged like shit
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it's going to be funny if capcom forces nintendo to force nvidia to put a decent amount of vram in an nvidia product
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:14 AM
Bless capcom in this case
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i find something funny tho
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Ampere is considered a good generation
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capcom is the only reason the switch doesn't have 3GB of ram
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exio4
it's a 60 series card, those always aged like shit
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:14 AM
1060 tho
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but power consumption went through the roof lol
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and VRAM was nearly stagnant
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3080 10G is 100x more cringe than a 4060 with 8G
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3080 10G was over twice the price of the base 4060, 2+ years ago, people paid >$1200 for it (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:15 AM
Ampere pulled another 4090, but on even higher end skus
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Ampere was like
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bad
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:15 AM
The fools that paid mining prices for cards, lol
7:16 AM
Still happy I paid 300 bucks for the 3060ti in goddamn Argentina
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i'm still happy with the 3060, even with the gimped vram
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high power consumption, stagnation in VRAM across the high-end, flagship with suicidal VRAM, RT became viable in some way, but it also didn't have AV1 encoding so you can't even say it was a good leap in the media engine
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i almost bought a turing card in 2021 lol
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no new core features
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i love my 2060 super and think it "aged gracefully" but turing is just old
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even 3 years ago it was old
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:17 AM
Turing also aged like crap There's a trend with nvidia now
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Turing aged fine
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lol
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it still handles modern games better than RDNA2 technically
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:17 AM
Low end turing aged well
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2080 Ti outperforms the XTX in blender
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so
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👍
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exio4
it still handles modern games better than RDNA2 technically
yeah, it's almost unplayable instead of completely unplayable
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:17 AM
Blender is not a game
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Egdarska
yeah, it's almost unplayable instead of completely unplayable
nah, I mean, you get DLSS lol
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RDNA2 gets FSR2 (which uh is a thing), or XeSS DP4a (which runs like shit on it)
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XeSS DP4a runs better on Turing than RDNA2 too
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lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:18 AM
Turing cores
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like, Turing is a better architecture, just "limited by its node"
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:18 AM
Still a shit product stack
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speaking of outdated shit, i tried to find a way to transfer files easily from android to windows without using airdroid
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:19 AM
We've been getting shit product stacks for almost a decade now
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it was a flat perf/$ in old games, but the architecture was a massive leap
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there isn't
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the only almost decent one requires a samsung device
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Egdarska
speaking of outdated shit, i tried to find a way to transfer files easily from android to windows without using airdroid
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:19 AM
Kde connect
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and specific intel bluetooth chipset
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my 2060 super was meant to be a temporary card
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i wanted a 16gb 70 series card
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i'm still waiting 👍
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:20 AM
Sell the mac, get two 4090s kek
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GoldenX86_64
Kde connect
is that another linux meme or a real answer?
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lol i haven't paid for it yet
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Egdarska
is that another linux meme or a real answer?
it is real
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kde connect is legit good
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Egdarska
is that another linux meme or a real answer?
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:20 AM
Real, works on windows, give it a try
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i will
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airdroid doesn't really bother me
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kde connect on linux+android is sick
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it's the closest to airdrop i've seen metaphorically speaking
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but i was hoping we'd be at the point where i just pair two devices and they can share files
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kde connect adds your computer as a device you can share
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which we are, if you own specific devices
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from the share section
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which means it's shit
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no i meant like without installing a program
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that is only possible on mac + ios
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lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:21 AM
Too many different corpos in the middle
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you can "technically" do it on windows, over bluetooth, and it's fucking stupid
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you have to start a transfer before you can receive files
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and it's slow as fuck
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airdrop is funny
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they use like 7 protocols
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based on vibes
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and the only one kinda like airdrop needs a samsung or oppo device, and a windows program that only works with specific chipsets
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Egdarska
and specific intel bluetooth chipset
Apple does this btw
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:22 AM
Microsoft said they are working on nearby share with android support, but expect it to take a decade
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their wifi chipsets has custom firmware
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Apple does this btw
yeah, but that's apple, they have proprietary ssds
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their nand is actually custom for some forsaken reason
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:23 AM
And premium ram without ecc
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apple moment
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you just expect things to be stupid with apple
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i mean, this one isn't stupid per se
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it's just extra work for a small advantage
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a lot of extra work
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yeah that's what i said
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:23 AM
And a massive fuck you to the customer
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The main reason
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this one is actually reasonsable lol
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they do it so your wifi doesn't disconnect when you airdrop
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:24 AM
That one is fine
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so you have a wifi direct connect, p2p between devixes
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:24 AM
Its actually good use of available techs
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yeah, for communication it makes sense because you'll only connect to apple devices anyway they can do what they want
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not being able to swap ssds is not justifiable
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i am happy qi2 became a thing tho
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Egdarska
not being able to swap ssds is not justifiable
swap flash*
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the controller is on the soc
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you can't do it either way so that's just semantics
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if you say "uh oh it should be out of the flash", i don't want my system to use twice the power on constant I/O lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:25 AM
Inb4 they do it to just avoid adding pcie lanes
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it's because they do the soc on their bleeding edge node
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that's insanity
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it's stupidly expensive
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but it saves 250mW 👍
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exio4
if you say "uh oh it should be out of the flash", i don't want my system to use twice the power on constant I/O lol
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:26 AM
And then you sell an 11k mac pro with the same limitations
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GoldenX86_64
And then you sell an 11k mac pro with the same limitations
mac pro has pcie lanes
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you can just stick ssds on it lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:26 AM
And no gpu support
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its a desktop
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does kde connect work better as an app or as a desktop program>?
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or is it the same?
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:26 AM
Yes
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Egdarska
does kde connect work better as an app or as a desktop program>?
uhh i havent used it on windows, but on kde it adds to the share shit
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so you right click share => kde connect => phone
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and it automatically transfers
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:27 AM
I would just use the store one
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windows can do that with both regular programs and the store, but the store is usually better "integrated"
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but the store also causes issues because microsoft
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:27 AM
And auto updates
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GoldenX86_64
And no gpu support
thats technically* not apple's fault* *Apple would have the sign the driver, but the only company with ARM drivers right now is NVIDIA, AMD's ARM drivers don't exist
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:27 AM
They do, samsung has them
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Plus mesa is a thing
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no, the raspberry pi guy on YT has tried to get AMD gpus to work
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GoldenX86_64
They do, samsung has them
didn't samsung get drivers for a specific gpu in their specific architecture?
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it's just impossible, they don't have ARM drivers that work like, properly, Samsung's drivers are basically specially baked to work because IGP
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:29 AM
to be fair, getting dedicated graphics to work on a god damn SBC is hard work in the first place
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:29 AM
AMD moment
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you can buy an Ampere ARM workstation, plug a NVIDIA gpu, and it'll work
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(on linux)
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plug an AMD gpu, and you get fucked
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lol
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of course, for compute-first, not really gaming
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:29 AM
Still, nvidia could just work on the apple cheese grater
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Its just apple being elon musk stupid with nvidia
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:30 AM
nah not that stupid
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GoldenX86_64
Still, nvidia could just work on the apple cheese grater
NVIDIA would have to port the driver to ARM macOS [which is a constantly moving target] and then sell these to the 30 people with Mac Pros in the planet
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:30 AM
They sell to weirder markets
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Apple lost a chance to turn the grater into something usable
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exio4
NVIDIA would have to port the driver to ARM macOS [which is a constantly moving target] and then sell these to the 30 people with Mac Pros in the planet
would apple allow drivers with support for apis they don't want?
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i dont like the mac pro
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:31 AM
No one does, not even apple
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Mac Pro still has a reason to exist though
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:31 AM
I guess its the last one
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if you need the storage
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Egdarska
would apple allow drivers with support for apis they don't want?
I'm not sure
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from what I know, the AMD drivers on macOS were cooperative work between Apple and AMD?
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a 4090 limited to moltenvk lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:31 AM
Same as intel iirc
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Egdarska
would apple allow drivers with support for apis they don't want?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:31 AM
they just don't even utilize those APIs at all. im like 80% certain the last Nvidia supported Macs couldn't even properly use CUDA
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:31 AM
Moltenvk and cuda
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LukeTheVideoGamer
they just don't even utilize those APIs at all. im like 80% certain the last Nvidia supported Macs couldn't even properly use CUDA
i think they can
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it's just very old cuda now
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kde connect on microsoft store just says downloading with no file size lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:32 AM
Still better than opencl for sure
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been downloading since i asked
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bro, Metal > OpenCL
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:32 AM
Microsoft store for ya
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OpenCL is trash
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calculating download size, almost ready
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Metal, CUDA, fucking half-patched-together vulkan compute
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kill me pls
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all better than opencl lmao
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:33 AM
Direct compute beats it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:33 AM
i personally stand by the reasoning that Apple has nothing to lose with fully supporting Vulkan on macOS
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they just don't care
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:33 AM
They don't, they're just idiots
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:34 AM
well, they're not idiots, they're just stubborn.
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can't even cncel the download
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like, their hardware can't even do OpenGL shit from 10 years ago
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because they never implemented it
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:34 AM
Made a phone gpu, then decided to make gaming gpus Watch metal turn into vulkan in 2 years
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it is closer to NVN
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:34 AM
Except for everything it doesn't support
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it depends on the generation, a lot
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older Metal was really cringe
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exio4
like, their hardware can't even do OpenGL shit from 10 years ago
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:35 AM
coincidentally, they also deprecated OpenGL about 10 years ago
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LukeTheVideoGamer
coincidentally, they also deprecated OpenGL about 10 years ago
exactly 😛
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M1 is also quite meh
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is there really no way to force microsoft store downloads to be removed?
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:35 AM
Reboot
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Or let it chill
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Egdarska
is there really no way to force microsoft store downloads to be removed?
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:35 AM
It will eventually install
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it has a cancel download button but it doesn't work as usual
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Apple's GPUs are quite mid at a lot of things, but they're decent at raw compute
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which is like, all you can use them for in macOS anyway lmao
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but their GPUs really need a glow-up
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:36 AM
M4 will be lit
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exio4
M1 is also quite meh
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:37 AM
on a raw performance standpoint i agree, but on a more fundamental level, i honestly think M1, and Apple Silicon as a whole, is a big step forward for bringing all standard computing towards a brighter, RISCier future (please excuse the pun)
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:37 AM
Lol
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either way, if anybody shits on Apple GPUs, I'll mention M3 has technically a more advanced RT core than RDNA3 (and likely RDNA4)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
on a raw performance standpoint i agree, but on a more fundamental level, i honestly think M1, and Apple Silicon as a whole, is a big step forward for bringing all standard computing towards a brighter, RISCier future (please excuse the pun)
I meant the GPU's feature support
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:37 AM
And arc
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I love M1 lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:37 AM
And better drivers
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i'm the apple simp here
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exio4
I meant the GPU's feature support
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:38 AM
honestly, that's another side effect of apple being stubborn as all hell
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:38 AM
Metal may be shit as a 3d api, but the drivers are top tier
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exio4
either way, if anybody shits on Apple GPUs, I'll mention M3 has technically a more advanced RT core than RDNA3 (and likely RDNA4)
phone gpus do too
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:38 AM
Ehh, qualcomm is pretty meh
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I haven't been able to find architectural details on Qualcomm's RT acceleration FWIW
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if you can link me to some
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i'd appreciate it
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GoldenX86_64
Ehh, qualcomm is pretty meh
in performance, but i think the newest gous actually do have RT cores
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Apple has WWDC were they explain this
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and we're talking architecture
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Egdarska
in performance, but i think the newest gous actually do have RT cores
so does RDNA2 technically
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:38 AM
740 is compute RT, a la gtx 1600, and 750 is rdna2 level RT
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No hardware for denoising
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:39 AM
they already have Metal (which, granted, is actually pretty good, its downside lies in the fact that NO ONE USES IT), why should they care about 30 year old OpenGL, or the similar-on-paper Vulkan?
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rdna2 level RT is not really a big improvement
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i think rt in phone games is really a meme at this point tbh
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LukeTheVideoGamer
they already have Metal (which, granted, is actually pretty good, its downside lies in the fact that NO ONE USES IT), why should they care about 30 year old OpenGL, or the similar-on-paper Vulkan?
Metal actually launched before Vulkan, by like 1-2 years
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they just couldn't wait for the industry
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but i also think native res gaming in phones is dumb so idk
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:40 AM
Because khronos is perpetually drunk
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specially with the resolutions we have now
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exio4
Metal actually launched before Vulkan, by like 1-2 years
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:40 AM
which is partly my point, why should they care about Vulkan when they already have (and have had) Metal?
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like, they were/(are?) part of khronos
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and they took forever
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:40 AM
"Opengl 5", vulkan, was in debate for years
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so they said lol fuck it 👍
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lol, now that the download isn't fucked it downloaded in 3 seconds
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thanks microsoft
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Egdarska
but i also think native res gaming in phones is dumb so idk
apple agrees
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MetalFX Quality is a temporal upscaler running on Apple's NPUs, on a phone
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it's sick
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the quality is kinda like wonky XeSS tho
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Egdarska
but i also think native res gaming in phones is dumb so idk
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:41 AM
my phone screen is god damn 2300x1080 or some stupid shit like that, i ain't gonna be seeing any of the pixels from normal gaming distance
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exio4
MetalFX Quality is a temporal upscaler running on Apple's NPUs, on a phone
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:41 AM
funny how it has almost all the downsides of regular old FSR then, huh? :p
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exio4
the quality is kinda like wonky XeSS tho
(which is fine, because it is a 6 ish" screen)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
funny how it has almost all the downsides of regular old FSR then, huh? :p
that's MetalFX Performance
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the spatial upscaler
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LukeTheVideoGamer
my phone screen is god damn 2300x1080 or some stupid shit like that, i ain't gonna be seeing any of the pixels from normal gaming distance
imagine running any non-2d game at that resolution on mobile hardware
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exio4
the quality is kinda like wonky XeSS tho
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:41 AM
It has two tiers right? One is xess, the other is fsr1
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GoldenX86_64
It has two tiers right? One is xess, the other is fsr1
yes
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Quality is Temporal™️ with Machine Learning™️ Performance is FSR1-optimized-for-their-GPUs
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exio4
that's MetalFX Performance
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:42 AM
sorry, shoulda clarified, of regular old FSR2 (which is temporal... just not that good. or artificially intelligent.)
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:42 AM
Wish performance was open source to add it to yuzu
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LukeTheVideoGamer
sorry, shoulda clarified, of regular old FSR2 (which is temporal... just not that good. or artificially intelligent.)
not really, MetalFX Quality has a different set of issues
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GoldenX86_64
Wish performance was open source to add it to yuzu
it isn't open-source, but it is a system API in macOS
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:43 AM
Would help android
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what about Qualcomm's
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:43 AM
Fsr1 murders android
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Also proprietary
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qualcomm made a spatial upscaler for phones
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oh
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yuzu is gpl right
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it's joever if so
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:43 AM
Yeah, dick corpos
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Nis can be added, but it's shit
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Fsr1 murders android
does anyone on yuzu team have the knowledge to alter the fsr1 filter?
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:44 AM
In what way?
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there's some stuff that can be changed to make it a lot lighter
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get rid of the anti ringing for one, it doesn't really matter at phone sizes
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LukeTheVideoGamer
sorry, shoulda clarified, of regular old FSR2 (which is temporal... just not that good. or artificially intelligent.)
FSR2 & MetalFX Quality are a bit different on how they behave, but MetalFX's not as good as DLSS/XeSS XMX by any means - it is much more lightweight though
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:44 AM
I guess byte or breadfish can
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DLSS is insanely demanding
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and it won't be an extreme sharpening anyway
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DLSS is actually carried so hard by Tensor cores lol
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exio4
DLSS is actually carried so hard by Tensor cores lol
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:45 AM
hm i wonder why /s
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exio4
DLSS is insanely demanding
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:45 AM
Wanna see it work on ayymd with the cuda compat layer to see my 6600 suffer
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if you run it at 1080p + DLSS Performance, you go from 40 fps native to 20 fps (on a T400) in some games
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T400 is a pro card that can run DLSS in shader units
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:46 AM
Why? No one knows
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DLSS is just cuda, if you run it on an older gpu it can just run
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exio4
if you run it at 1080p + DLSS Performance, you go from 40 fps native to 20 fps (on a T400) in some games
nvidia marketing, dlss can run on my r7 200 ez
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Egdarska
nvidia marketing, dlss can run on my r7 200 ez
real tbh
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it can run
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nobody said real-time in the convo tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:46 AM
T400 is a gtx1600 card though, its still turing cuda
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yeah it is good FP16
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Pascal would actually be even worse
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GoldenX86_64
T400 is a gtx1600 card though, its still turing cuda
that's still like 6x better than modern amd compute
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and Maxwell would just die
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Egdarska
that's still like 6x better than modern amd compute
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:47 AM
Unless it's vega
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:47 AM
imo, even if it's technically worse than DLSS, i am of the belief that FSR2 is just as good if you can't use DLSS (don't have a card that can do it, or it's not supported in a game while FSR2 is) FSR1 and NIS can go to hell for all i care.
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GoldenX86_64
Unless it's vega
then it's 12x
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:47 AM
Weird amd decisions
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LukeTheVideoGamer
imo, even if it's technically worse than DLSS, i am of the belief that FSR2 is just as good if you can't use DLSS (don't have a card that can do it, or it's not supported in a game while FSR2 is) FSR1 and NIS can go to hell for all i care.
I prefer XeSS
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on the d*ck, XeSS DP4a is godtier
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it runs worse, yes
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i remember the Reddit posts about why isn't nvidia making dlss open, it would revitalize my 580
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but you can do XeSS performance, and it's... blurry? it isn't a shimmery mess
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which struggles with fsr3
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if you stop the camera for a tenth of a second it will look near native
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:48 AM
2012 AMD: "Let's focus on compute" 2019 AMD: "Compute doesn't matter" NVIDIA: Free real state
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GoldenX86_64
2012 AMD: "Let's focus on compute" 2019 AMD: "Compute doesn't matter" NVIDIA: Free real state
yeah, AMD failed to read the room SO HARD
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lol, amd never focused on compute, they tried for a year and gave up
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GoldenX86_64
2012 AMD: "Let's focus on compute" 2019 AMD: "Compute doesn't matter" NVIDIA: Free real state
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:48 AM
let's focus on compute, they said, 5 years after Nvidia decided to try and focus on compute
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Egdarska
lol, amd never focused on compute, they tried for a year and gave up
they tried on hardware
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not software
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:49 AM
Remember the cpu opencl driver
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i don't
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i remember people getting mad at the blender devs for their amd cards being shit
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:49 AM
They promoted opencl so hard
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man, did you see ZLUDA being faster than AMD's own HIP-RT stack?
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but it cost me the same as an nvidia card bro, you're just not utilizing it fully
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:49 AM
honestly, i think compute is extremely important... but not for me!!!
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exio4
man, did you see ZLUDA being faster than AMD's own HIP-RT stack?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:49 AM
zelda...
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ZLUDA, AKA running CUDA core, optimized for NVIDIA - compiled to AMD bytecode
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runs faster than AMD optimized code
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it's so fucking funny
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:50 AM
Intel provided a driver thst only worked on their cpus and gpus So amd responded with one that worked on any cpu, and radeon (edited)
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this was around 2013, when cycles was still in very early no even alpha state
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LukeTheVideoGamer
honestly, i think compute is extremely important... but not for me!!!
modern games are heavily compute intensive
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GoldenX86_64
Intel provided a driver thst only worked on their cpus and gpus So amd responded with one that worked on any cpu, and radeon (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:50 AM
have they always been like this
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:50 AM
Yes
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and my integrated nvidia gpu was beating full desktop amd gpus
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the "normal standard raster" bits of GPUs are like, vibing
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and mine was shit even by integrated standards
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:50 AM
Remember when we had integrated nvidia gpus
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yeah
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exio4
the "normal standard raster" bits of GPUs are like, vibing
it's extremely hard to make them meaningfully faster in a way that is cost effective
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:51 AM
Glorious days
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good old 6150 se, i loved you even though you were shit
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it let me play modern warfare on launch at 30ish fps 640x480
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exio4
the "normal standard raster" bits of GPUs are like, vibing
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:51 AM
Unless you're intel, then you sell 2007 raster perf to msi to put on a handheld
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Poor thing is a flop before release
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GoldenX86_64
Unless you're intel, then you sell 2007 raster perf to msi to put on a handheld
meteor lake on the the handheld is just power starved
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:52 AM
THE CLAWWWWWWW
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lol, i forgot they're making intel handhelds
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:52 AM
And raster starved And driver starved
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why tho
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it's not raster starved
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it's like the ROG Ally at 10W, just that the power curve is higher
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:52 AM
ok no joke, i already don't like the good non-Valve PC handheld (ROG Ally), why would i ever like the bad one?
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i wouldn't call the ally good
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steamdeck gaps the rog ally and the rog ally is "on paper" faster
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Egdarska
i wouldn't call the ally good
it is good for PC OEM standards
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it's one of the least bad tho
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the only flaws it has are battery life, thermals are inconsistent, burns SD cards & has a proprietary expansion port
7:53 AM
that's basically perfect in the windows market
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:53 AM
They went from 48/24 in alder xe to 64/32 in meteor lake xe, tmu/rop
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i thought they fixed the burning card slot
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:54 AM
Thats still massively raster starved
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Egdarska
i thought they fixed the burning card slot
it's a hardware flaw but now it is mitigated by running the fans harder and throttling faster
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:54 AM
Plus those tmu and rops have a trash ipc compared to amd
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the biggest issue Arc has is utilization
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it's not just the driver, it's the architecture
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it is built "like an small IGP", which if you are on 7 year old IGP, 1080p gaming is already gonna be massively filling every CU and utilization will be high, but as you go higher - you need to be a bit smarter with resource allocation, and Intel fails there
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:55 AM
First gen has its flaws Battlemage better not be another rdna3
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:55 AM
my reasoning for me to not want an Ally is a three-way combo mixed with good old reliability and heat issues the screen is too high resolution and too high refresh rate to ever make sense on a handheld if you don't want your battery to last 30 minutes (720p/800p at between 30-60hz is perfectly serviceable on a handheld), controls are far too Xbox focused to ever be convenient for weird use-cases (like using the DESKTOP), and the entire software experience, especially the fact that it runs Windows, is an immediate deal breaker. doesn't help that it doesn't have the best QC and it can melt my fucking SD card
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i dislike the rog ally so much, because i feel burned by the "custom silicon" they announced
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it was a fucking 7840U rebrand
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so kde is actually really fucking cool
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:56 AM
The whole ally is a mess A 350 bucks deck decks it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:56 AM
Z1 Extreme!!!!!!! (aka the Ryzen 7 7840U)
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Egdarska
so kde is actually really fucking cool
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:56 AM
Told ya
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steamdeck is slower
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at 15W it's a bit slower
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but then you play anything else, or put a framecap
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i thought it would at least need the app running but it really feels seamless
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:57 AM
it's slower but it's also the far more well-rounded device
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:57 AM
Not so much to justify the Ls of the ally
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yeah, I mean it as a "funny gotcha"
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the rog ally is faster, but only if you trash your battery life
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if you run it at 10W, the deck is faster
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lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:57 AM
Deck, even first series with the trash ips display, still looks like a better product
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i won't be interested on a handheld until we have rdna3.5 or 4
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:57 AM
I'd easily trade performance if it means i won't be fucking tearing my hair out at every possible bad hardware or software decision
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Egdarska
i won't be interested on a handheld until we have rdna3.5 or 4
i'd wait for rdna5
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rdna4 is rdna3++
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lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:58 AM
Watch them rush rdna4 too
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rdna5 is the one microsoft/sony told to fuck off and get competent
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so i guess that answers the question "will amd try to compensate rdna3 owners and fix their shit"
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Microsoft & Sony look at RT Overdrive and ask AMD when they will be able to ship that
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:58 AM
The one that gets into consoles is competent, look at rdna2 vs rdna1
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:58 AM
(to be fair, that's also about the same generation that next gen systems are gonna be utilizing c.2028 so it makes sense)
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GoldenX86_64
The one that gets into consoles is competent, look at rdna2 vs rdna1
the one in consoles isn't really competent
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RDNA2 is architecturally fine
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sony/m$ just forced amd to make it usable
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it's just half-obsolete by design
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:59 AM
The custom chip? Sure But rdna2 gave us good products and a good arch
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 7:59 AM
GCN support baked into the die ❤️
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 7:59 AM
Gcn my beloved, the OG finewine
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From d3d11 and ogl 4.0 to vulkan and d3d12
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Best fine wine so far
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Second best is dlss and the fun stuff nvidia is adding to their drivers
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:01 AM
RDNA2 is honestly only held back by the fact that it's recent also RT performance but to a lesser degree, if it were older i'd already have one jammed into my FX-6300 system
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RDNA2 is architecturally good at the things it does
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it just doesn't do everything
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:01 AM
nothing does everything
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NVIDIA:
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:01 AM
nvidia can't make me breakfast, AMD does that for me every day
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:01 AM
Rdna2 is a good last hurrah to pure raster, plus some rt to not feel useless like rdna1
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Still selling the best budget card, the 6600
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The best argument against a 3050
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:02 AM
god the RX 6600 is legitimately the BEST budget GPU i think to have ever come out, save for the GTX 1060
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1060 was far better though
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because i could still use it for blender and stuff like that
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:03 AM
Pascal was just too good at old rendering, plus cuda
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optix support with real time denoising made it great
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i was also using it a lot because that's when things like esrgan became useful for regular users
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and i did a lot of old game texture denoising/scaling
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can't do that on amd faster than on cpu
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:04 AM
I consider maxwell v1 to pascal to be the windows xp of nvidia kek
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Or 7 if you're not such a boomer
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pascal was also a huge leap in performance
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almost double performance going from 960>1060
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i personally think ampere was one of the worst gens
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:05 AM
On the same node iirc
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in a while
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:05 AM
It was
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Close to Fermi
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GoldenX86_64
On the same node iirc
nah, different node
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:06 AM
But the king still is the FX 5000 series
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Nothing tops that
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:06 AM
pascal was legitimately one of the biggest performance leaps next to GeForce 7000 to 8000, that fucking 1080 Ti was way too good, considering the fact that if not for games finally taking more advantage of RT and Mesh Shading, it'd still be a GREAT budget find if you can get it used
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:06 AM
"D3d9" support, but broken Overheated Was slow Offered nothing valuable Overpriced
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LukeTheVideoGamer
pascal was legitimately one of the biggest performance leaps next to GeForce 7000 to 8000, that fucking 1080 Ti was way too good, considering the fact that if not for games finally taking more advantage of RT and Mesh Shading, it'd still be a GREAT budget find if you can get it used
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:07 AM
(and, in fact, it is if you straight up do not care about recent releases)
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:07 AM
Oh geforce 8 still is the biggest leap ever
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Pascal to turing is meh compared to curie to tesla
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Just too much at the same time
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:09 AM
to think that there used to be a time where you could go up a single generation and go from "playable" to straight up performant without completely breaking the bank
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LukeTheVideoGamer
pascal was legitimately one of the biggest performance leaps next to GeForce 7000 to 8000, that fucking 1080 Ti was way too good, considering the fact that if not for games finally taking more advantage of RT and Mesh Shading, it'd still be a GREAT budget find if you can get it used
1080 Ti aged like trash
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:09 AM
oooh that's a hot take if I've ever seen one
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it just was so fast for the time, that even losing 40% performance means it was still ahead
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the mistake nvidia has never made again
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:10 AM
Turing: "we added those tensor units only rich kids with maxwell v4 could get (volta) and added these shiny new fixed function rt units, the real chad is the software department" Tesla: "we're the new world order in gpu design"
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nvidia really fucked up by making the 1080 ti so fast and not charging $1600 for it
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:11 AM
Kek yes
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:11 AM
the 4090 would be a good GPU if it wasn't $2300 right now 💔
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I mean
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:11 AM
Bet jensen beats himself up because of that
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2060 can outperform the 1080 Ti
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it's fine
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lol
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he could have advanced the current pricing by 3 years
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:12 AM
Well duh, see how well kepler does at d3d12 why don't you
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we'd be at $1900 for a flagship by now
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exio4
2060 can outperform the 1080 Ti
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:12 AM
ive seen exactly two reasons why this can be: ray tracing, and mesh shading
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LukeTheVideoGamer
ive seen exactly two reasons why this can be: ray tracing, and mesh shading
it's called FP16
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:12 AM
And async compute
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turing is just a massive architectural leap over pascal
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the problem is that you need to leverage it
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:12 AM
Pascal was a muscle car Sooner or later that fixed rear axis has to go
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:12 AM
i mean, that's also true but also I'm a simple ol gamer i don't give a fuck about no floating points or asynchronous computation i just want what gives me higher FPSes
kek 1
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consider it as if AMD/Intel had shipped dual core CPUs in the DOS era
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and then when hardware could leverage it
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you'd say "holy shit that thing can rip"
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:13 AM
Software
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yes, sorry
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i mean, that's also true but also I'm a simple ol gamer i don't give a fuck about no floating points or asynchronous computation i just want what gives me higher FPSes
they just showed why it gets worse performance
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:14 AM
i know ☺
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:14 AM
Turing is a crysis era moment Everyone vibing to d3d9, then boom, d3d10 features And then it takes years to use them
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1080 Ti is the 11 TFLOPS (FP32) 2060 is almost 13 TFLOPS (FP16)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:15 AM
in all honesty though, i do like Turing... i just don't think its price to performance on the used market right now is worth it compared to EITHER the generation before or the generation after.
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turing only made sense for a brief period of time
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:15 AM
Keep in mind that fp16 limitation on Pascal is a software lock, the switch is 2:1 like Turing
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when the super series launched, or if you picked a 2060S for $300 before the 30 series launched like I did
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GoldenX86_64
Keep in mind that fp16 limitation on Pascal is a software lock, the switch is 2:1 like Turing
no, it isn't a software lock
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it's an optimization to make the gpu bigger
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:16 AM
Just drop one fp16 every 4 of the other or so?
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Pascal can do FP16 at 11TFLOPS
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by just using the FP32 units
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the FP16 is the real FP16 compute it has, which is what got nerfed on Pascal
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the software bit is the FP64 stuff
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:17 AM
And nintendo asked for the real deal?
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switch is maxwell
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it's also got ASTC
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it's a different sub-branch
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:17 AM
Maxwell and pascal are 99% the same thing
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:17 AM
if you think about it all Nvidia GPUs are just Maxwell but better
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and the gpu is not just a maxwell gpu, they made lots of changes (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
if you think about it all Nvidia GPUs are just Maxwell but better
not really
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Turing was the latest major rework
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:18 AM
yuh huh
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you had Maxwell => Pascal, Turing => Ampere = > Ada
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:18 AM
Volta is maxwell v4, you won't change my mind
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Volta is weird
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:18 AM
Pascal with tensor
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it's not pascal either
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:18 AM
Shares the same driver bugs tho kek
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:19 AM
Volta never made it to a "GTX" consumer card IIRC, which made seeing videos on the Titan V back in 2017-2018 before Turing all the stranger
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it's like.. you know the proto-RDNA2 that is half-GCN-half-RDNA1-half-RDNA2 somehow of the PS5?
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that's kinda what it is to turing and pascal
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it is pascal with turing architectural details put into use, and early tensor
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:19 AM
A gtx 750 and a Volta are the same for yuzu, it's so weird
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LukeTheVideoGamer
Volta never made it to a "GTX" consumer card IIRC, which made seeing videos on the Titan V back in 2017-2018 before Turing all the stranger
yea i dont think they did 😛
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:20 AM
technically, could a Titan V utilize DLSS 2 if it really wanted to?
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:20 AM
I think it can
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I am not sure, Titan V's tensor is very weird
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technically yeah
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it only supports some really old types
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like, turing is aging now too
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it doesn't do bf16
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because that's newer
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:20 AM
I remember it being listed for dlss1 support
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lol
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Volta's tensors are also ... more isolated
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they have more overhead
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might as well just do fsr1 and taau
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:21 AM
We need to get one, see if cp77 offers ray reconstruction
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:21 AM
im ngl the 1080 Ti woulda been killer if it got a Volta refresh :3
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while on Turing and onwards they are much better
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LukeTheVideoGamer
im ngl the 1080 Ti woulda been killer if it got a Volta refresh :3
that's just a new card, they can name it what they want
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kinda like Turing's OFA
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Egdarska
that's just a new card, they can name it what they want
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:22 AM
the GTX 1580
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:22 AM
1080 ti super
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cursed
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pronounced tie
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:22 AM
Super tie
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:22 AM
(can't use 1680 those series of cards are Turing)
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:22 AM
Meanwhile, AMD refreshing polaris
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i dont mind pascal for the time
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but turing was basically the same price new and massively ahead
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:23 AM
Heh remember the pitch for polaris? Exio you will love it
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lisa su did it too
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:23 AM
No
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Worse
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wait, it wasn't?
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:23 AM
VR support for 200 usd
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:23 AM
Back then
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:24 AM
We know how that went
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exio4
but turing was basically the same price new and massively ahead
i'm a turing-stan because rt cores and tensor are so based as a concept tbh
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tensor on nvidia is funny
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:24 AM
VR for the masses? nah, crypto for the masses
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:24 AM
Still better than the compute accelerated audio of gcn3
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That died fast
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GoldenX86_64
VR support for 200 usd
i remember that
8:25 AM
it was almost usable
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just to give you a funny: my 2060 super has more tensor compute than the 7900 XTX's maximum throughput
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:25 AM
Almost, and nvidia was still better
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exio4
just to give you a funny: my 2060 super has more tensor compute than the 7900 XTX's maximum throughput
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:25 AM
But compute denoising
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exio4
just to give you a funny: my 2060 super has more tensor compute than the 7900 XTX's maximum throughput
(yes, you have to use smaller integers on turing)
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but it is just funny, 2060 super, we all realize this right
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kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:25 AM
Almost the smallest tensor bro
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it's just very hard to use because the cache of Turing gpus is very small, so you need to hyper-optimize the code
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i still can't recover from the 2070 super beating the 7900xtx at rendering before hip-rt
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and the 2600 super was like almost up to it
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I mean, if you wanna laugh, a 4060 has more RT grunt than all of Turing - and a 3070, and all of RDNA3
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note, 4060, not 4060 Ti
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this is the $299 card
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128-bit bus, too
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:27 AM
8x slot
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4x next gen, calling it
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exio4
I mean, if you wanna laugh, a 4060 has more RT grunt than all of Turing - and a 3070, and all of RDNA3
this graph is so fucking funny but in a sad way
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8x gen 4 isn't it?
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is there any workload that will saturate it?
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like the RX 6600 / 6600 XT
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yes, Doom Eternal at maximum textures
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:29 AM
Or totk
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like i can think of a few but not very common
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and it's irrelevant for blender anyway which is the graph
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either way, something to keep in mind
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:29 AM
Pcie5 should sort this out
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NVIDIA's memory compression is better
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you can use gen 3 1x and not see a difference on blender
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by only a few hundred MB or so
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but 8GB on NVIDIA is actually closer to like 8.5-9 on AMD lol
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depending on the workload
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:30 AM
The 6900xt losing to the arc kek
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exio4
but 8GB on NVIDIA is actually closer to like 8.5-9 on AMD lol
real apple vibes
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Arc's not even properly utilized there
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exio4
depending on the workload
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:30 AM
Can confirm
8:30 AM
Its true, you save around a gb at best
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like, Arc with half-broken drivers
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i remember that was an nvidia point with pascal, the bus didn't matter because special compression
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Egdarska
i remember that was an nvidia point with pascal, the bus didn't matter because special compression
the bus? as in memory bus?
8:31 AM
or what?
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Egdarska
real apple vibes
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:31 AM
8GB of RAM is equal to 16GB guys trust
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LukeTheVideoGamer
8GB of RAM is equal to 16GB guys trust
apple delusions are funny
8:31 AM
they could have said 12GB and not even be that wrong
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exio4
the bus? as in memory bus?
yeah, back when they downgraded it to 192bit for the xx60 series
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:31 AM
Until you call the gpu
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or was it 128
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:31 AM
There was a 160 bit 1060 iirc
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they could have showed how Apple's apps use much less RAM than Windows' equivalents
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Egdarska
yeah, back when they downgraded it to 192bit for the xx60 series
I mean, they did it again (RDNA2 w/ Infinity Cache, NVIDIA w/ the bus reduction across the stack on Ada)
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GoldenX86_64
There was a 160 bit 1060 iirc
there was a ddr3 1060 but we don't count those
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exio4
they could have showed how Apple's apps use much less RAM than Windows' equivalents
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:32 AM
that wouldn't really matter because the system uses more RAM than a fresh install of Windows idling on the desktop
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LukeTheVideoGamer
that wouldn't really matter because the system uses more RAM than a fresh install of Windows idling on the desktop
that is not an issue (edited)
8:32 AM
that's on purpose
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Apple will try to use memory just in case
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if you might need an app, it'll preload it
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and stay in cache
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:33 AM
"that's on purpose" dude a fresh macOS install without any other apps opened uses 5GB just sitting there
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:33 AM
Unused ram is wasted ram
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it'll also preemptively swap things (windows does this too)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
"that's on purpose" dude a fresh macOS install without any other apps opened uses 5GB just sitting there
yes, it actually preloads things like the notes app, calendar, etc
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LukeTheVideoGamer
"that's on purpose" dude a fresh macOS install without any other apps opened uses 5GB just sitting there
that's really not an issue unless the ram isn't released when needed
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:33 AM
Using all ram as a cache is actually good use of ram
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it actually makes me mad when games won't use more than 8GB becaue they're hardwired to have that limit, and then they have to work harder to pull assets from storage
8:34 AM
like it's not a problem now with fast storage
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this is what I've got right now on this 32GB laptop - I'm technically using 26GB on apps, and 4GB of swap
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but it's been an issue since we used hdds
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:34 AM
The difference is that apple uses 5gb, and windows on an 8gb system uses 20gb The rest is in page file
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:34 AM
i actually really dislike the whole "unused ram is wasted ram" mindset because i honestly think there isn't a worse way to waste ram than to fucking preload applications i will never use and immediately go into swap just because an app calls for more memory that i cannot give it
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:34 AM
And linux chills with 1gb kek
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but I can run LM Studio, have the GPU decide to pull 7-9GB of memory for the GPU, and it'll handle it fine
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i actually really dislike the whole "unused ram is wasted ram" mindset because i honestly think there isn't a worse way to waste ram than to fucking preload applications i will never use and immediately go into swap just because an app calls for more memory that i cannot give it
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The difference is that apple uses 5gb, and windows on an 8gb system uses 20gb The rest is in page file
yuzu users be like i optimized yuzu guys, i downloaded a program that sends everything to swap
8:35 AM
pls add this to yuzu
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no, that's the thing, it preloads them, as in preemptively, it's basically free ram
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i actually really dislike the whole "unused ram is wasted ram" mindset because i honestly think there isn't a worse way to waste ram than to fucking preload applications i will never use and immediately go into swap just because an app calls for more memory that i cannot give it
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:35 AM
If the os wasn't pure bloat, you wouldn't need to touch swap
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no, swap is fine
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:35 AM
what im TRYING to say is that no, unused ram isn't wasted, i just want the peace of mind that low number gives a primordial part of my funky lil brain
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in fact, in an ideal world - you DO use swap
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:35 AM
2gb of swap at boot is fine 30 is a microsoft moment
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exio4
in fact, in an ideal world - you DO use swap
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:35 AM
i fucking HATE swap
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i fucking HATE swap
we don't live in the hard drive days anymore
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:35 AM
You still wait for the ssd
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depending on what you do swap can be necessary
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SATA is cringe for swap
8:36 AM
but NVMe can do fine
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a large render will use 64GB of ram and 120GB in swap
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if you have only 32GB lol
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exio4
SATA is cringe for swap
i used to do cpu rendering on 16GB of ram, with swap on hdd
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Egdarska
depending on what you do swap can be necessary
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:37 AM
i will sooner buy a RAM upgrade than ever trust my system to go into swap
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:37 AM
Now imagine you get charged 500 bucks for 32 gb
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i will sooner buy a RAM upgrade than ever trust my system to go into swap
you can't "outrun" caches
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:37 AM
And it's not even ecc
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every file you load ends up in RAM - and unless explicitly cleared, it'll stay there, even if you close the app
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just get 1TB of l3 cache bro
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:37 AM
Intel optane be like
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:37 AM
idgaf i am a fucking freak when it comes to memory usage, and imo, the less chance it has of having to be written to my storage drive even temporarily, the better.
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lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:38 AM
is it weird, irrational, and stupid to think that way? YES!
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wait until he finds out the system doesn't even report every swap instance
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a modern SSD can take a few terabytes a yar without even caring
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:38 AM
but i like it, so i try to live that way as much as i can
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LukeTheVideoGamer
is it weird, irrational, and stupid to think that way? YES!
you're making the experience worse
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:38 AM
Yar
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Yar yar bings
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mesa hates the swaps
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Egdarska
wait until he finds out the system doesn't even report every swap instance
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:39 AM
"he" atp i should just fucking change my name
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idk i don't read bios
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like, on macOS - on 32GB, I constantly am swapping, just because the desktop widgets, if I don't look at the desktop (and 'memory pressure' isn't super low) - it'll automatically send things to swap
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Egdarska
idk i don't read bios
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:40 AM
that's understandable
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Egdarska
idk i don't read bios
uefi man
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lel
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:40 AM
Kek
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:40 AM
sorry for being very irritable i just uggghhhh
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:40 AM
Sorry i only navigate the uefi with the mouse, i don't read bios
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i want a laptop with 3 nvme slots so i can keep an ssd just for swap
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:40 AM
Based
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GoldenX86_64
Sorry i only navigate the uefi with the mouse, i don't read bios
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:41 AM
Sorry, i only use ryzen master
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:41 AM
i just really do not like wasted things, especially wasted storage space and memory use. my problem with that though is that my idea of "wasted" is very... well. you already have an idea from my previous messages.
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golden trying to find when we'll beat him up fr
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i guess it could be possible to route one of the usb-c connections with a cable and tape an ssd inside
8:41 AM
there's actually some space by the radiator
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i just really do not like wasted things, especially wasted storage space and memory use. my problem with that though is that my idea of "wasted" is very... well. you already have an idea from my previous messages.
something to keep in mind, RAM by itself uses the "same power" staying on empty or full
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this laptop be roomy
8:42 AM
exio would hate it, the thickest part is like 1''
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:42 AM
Ram exists, needs to be filled, then die The cycle of data
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memory only really changes power consumption and you can say oh it's a power thing, it's less efficient - if it actively has to do extra power management
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Ram exists, needs to be filled, then die The cycle of data
I READ, I DIE, I READ AGAIN
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:43 AM
i also just... REALLY dislike the whole "unused ram is wasted ram" argument
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Egdarska
exio would hate it, the thickest part is like 1''
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:43 AM
Don't make me remember my 1.5 inches pentium 4 laptop
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oh you got the thin model
8:43 AM
i had a piece of shit gateway thing that was like 2.5''
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:43 AM
Yeah only had a radeon igpu
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i also just... REALLY dislike the whole "unused ram is wasted ram" argument
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:43 AM
it isn't like wrong to think that way mind you, i just disagree with that mindset.
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but the speakers were amazing for the time
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:43 AM
In 2002
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it isn't like wrong to think that way mind you, i just disagree with that mindset.
... you disagree... with like, how computers work? 😛
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:43 AM
yes
8:44 AM
i think they're dumb and stupid idiots that should think better
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they don't think tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:44 AM
I do too They can't cook for me
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:44 AM
fr
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the speakers had subwoofer air ports
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:44 AM
So expensive, can't improve my daily life
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i've never seen anything like it again
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Egdarska
the speakers had subwoofer air ports
... what?!
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but i would buy one if they made it
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:45 AM
Old laptops had crazy sound design
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exio4
... what?!
you know how subwoofers have big holes that push air so the bass thumps?
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when making a laptop 4 inches thick was just necesssary
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it had those but small
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Egdarska
you know how subwoofers have big holes that push air so the bass thumps?
yes
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small meaning like 1.5''
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GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:45 AM
Lol
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i mean
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i just miss that era of not giving a shit if a laptop was thin enough
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:46 AM
on a power consumption and PURELY TECHNICAL standpoint, yes, "unused ram" is wasted ram. but that's not what im thinking about when i use my computer. when i use my computer, im thinking "hmm, how much memory is taken up by these applications, and if they fill up the available pool, how much would i need to free up to run another application?" THAT'S why i don't like the "unused ram" shit
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if it fit in a backpack it was considered portable
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doesn't apple use these for bass technically
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i doubt you feel that very much
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LukeTheVideoGamer
on a power consumption and PURELY TECHNICAL standpoint, yes, "unused ram" is wasted ram. but that's not what im thinking about when i use my computer. when i use my computer, im thinking "hmm, how much memory is taken up by these applications, and if they fill up the available pool, how much would i need to free up to run another application?" THAT'S why i don't like the "unused ram" shit
there is a problem there
8:47 AM
computers don't run on a 1 GB used (virtual) = 1 GB used (physical)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
on a power consumption and PURELY TECHNICAL standpoint, yes, "unused ram" is wasted ram. but that's not what im thinking about when i use my computer. when i use my computer, im thinking "hmm, how much memory is taken up by these applications, and if they fill up the available pool, how much would i need to free up to run another application?" THAT'S why i don't like the "unused ram" shit
GoldenX86_64 2/18/2024 8:47 AM
Serious case of install gentoo there You can literally run a browser with 512mb there
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LukeTheVideoGamer
on a power consumption and PURELY TECHNICAL standpoint, yes, "unused ram" is wasted ram. but that's not what im thinking about when i use my computer. when i use my computer, im thinking "hmm, how much memory is taken up by these applications, and if they fill up the available pool, how much would i need to free up to run another application?" THAT'S why i don't like the "unused ram" shit
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:47 AM
im thinking about PURELY how the software experience ties into my hardware, not the hardware itself, and to THAT degree, i don't see how any of my memory is "wasted"
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on almost every computer out there you have:
  • preemptive caching/preload
  • memory compression
  • preemptive swapping
8:48 AM
or memory mapped files
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:48 AM
again, it's purely irrational base reactions and shit, but it's how i tend to roll in general, so...
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GoldenX86_64
Serious case of install gentoo there You can literally run a browser with 512mb there
i remember installing puppy linux on a really old laptop that had like 256MB of ram
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it was surprisingly usable
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8:48 AM
if all you needed was a browser and maybe write a document
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LukeTheVideoGamer
again, it's purely irrational base reactions and shit, but it's how i tend to roll in general, so...
I just mention it because I feel like understanding why this doesn't work the way you think it does might help you appreciate the tricks!
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on almost every computer out there you have:
  • preemptive caching/preload
  • memory compression
  • preemptive swapping
mfs be like i completely shut down windows, everything had to reset
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microsoft: word?
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b-but i turned off fast boot or whatever
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for example - memory mapped files are files that are read by the app, and they can use memory, but they don't have to be in memory, so if the RAM they use is needed, they'll just be ignored, and when you run the app again, those bits that were cleared from memory will be... read again from disk!
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exio4
I just mention it because I feel like understanding why this doesn't work the way you think it does might help you appreciate the tricks!
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:50 AM
... i don't appreciate the tricks because i LEGITIMATELY do not see why or how they are useful. which, in that regard, i guess i should appreciate them, since they're working as intended, as invisible behind the scenes functions keeping everything working???? i dunno man.
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and the trick here, if you have memory mapped files, and they're used by multiple apps, the OS automatically "deduplicates" them
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LukeTheVideoGamer
... i don't appreciate the tricks because i LEGITIMATELY do not see why or how they are useful. which, in that regard, i guess i should appreciate them, since they're working as intended, as invisible behind the scenes functions keeping everything working???? i dunno man.
the key here is that modern computing is enabled by hundreds of tricks
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:51 AM
i just go by "oh this thing is going super high... don't like that don't like that at all" because that is my reaction to literally any number going big when there's also a known "upper limit"
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boot times even on modern hardware would be rough without those memory mapped files
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i just go by "oh this thing is going super high... don't like that don't like that at all" because that is my reaction to literally any number going big when there's also a known "upper limit"
there isn't a "single" upper limit
8:51 AM
it is workload dependent
8:52 AM
macOS' Activity Monitor represents this in an user-friendly way: Memory Pressure
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:52 AM
dude it's 1:50am im not gonna be perfectly capable of wording everything to a degree that you'd agree with
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green = good, yellow = be careful, red = bro one more and i'll tell you to fuck off
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if you use any ML program that bar will always be red
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the key here is that memory pressure is NOT pure memory utilization, because again: things which you don't use can just be compressed! you might decide to be extra inefficient, e.g. if you have a lot of tabs - you might decide to keep them in RAM, even if it isn't necessary, just because they'll load a tiny bit faster
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:54 AM
ive been trying to tell you for the past 15 fucking minutes or so that this is literally my IRRATIONAL TAKE on something that is entirely RATIONAL. IRRATIONALLY, i see big number and go "uh oh that's bad" or "oh hey that's good!", when logically, and RATIONALLY, i should be focusing on all the different, smaller nuances instead
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you can have memory-mapped files, which are compressed, so going through the file is still MUCH faster than going to your SSD
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LukeTheVideoGamer
ive been trying to tell you for the past 15 fucking minutes or so that this is literally my IRRATIONAL TAKE on something that is entirely RATIONAL. IRRATIONALLY, i see big number and go "uh oh that's bad" or "oh hey that's good!", when logically, and RATIONALLY, i should be focusing on all the different, smaller nuances instead
I just feel the need to explain it, because as a nerd that is interested in these things, I consider this stuff one of those crazy things that allow modern computing to become viable
8:55 AM
like, video compression made video streaming possible
8:56 AM
1080p 60 fps video at 8 bit per channel, would require 373 megabytes a second 3 gigabits of internet, just to watch 1080p video in realtime
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4K 60 would require 4 times that
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:56 AM
i see high framerate and go "that's good i think keep it up 👍" but i don't immediately think to check frametimes or latency. i see high memory use and go "uh oh that's not good i should close some apps" but I don't immediately think "hmm, but my system hasn't crashed, and logically it isn't going to unless i put every app under extreme pressure"
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exactly, that is why I talked about Memory Pressure
8:57 AM
Apple is actively creating a "new fake unit" to represent the actual memory load of the system
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exio4
Apple is actively creating a "new fake unit" to represent the actual memory load of the system
userbenchmark moment
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Egdarska
userbenchmark moment
it does make sense, though
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sure it does bud
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you can ask a normal person "run activity monitor, is the thing there green"
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"how high is it"
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"ok so it's not memory problems"
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(or it is lol)
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how are your effective frames per second?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 8:58 AM
on a purely irrational basis, i like low memory usage and as little use of swap/page as i can get. logically, rationally, i know i should know better than that.
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Egdarska
how are your effective frames per second?
this is basically an user-friendly abstraction, it is useful to gauge how much of the memory you have can be compressed, how much is actively required to keep the OS running, etc
8:59 AM
you could look at linux tier stats of types of pages
9:00 AM
I'm not saying it is a "real comparable unit across PCs"
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LukeTheVideoGamer
on a purely irrational basis, i like low memory usage and as little use of swap/page as i can get. logically, rationally, i know i should know better than that.
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 9:00 AM
it doesn't help that ive been conditioned by my phone and crappy low end laptops with 4GB of RAM that if i exceed that physical pool of memory (perceived, obviously, not accounting for anything else), then apps will either slow to a crawl or just "crash" or close
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it is basically workload, ram size, cpu, ssd, etc dependent
9:01 AM
if you have a faster SSD - with a faster SoC, your memory pressure can go higher before it starts hurting the user experience
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 9:02 AM
honestly with how my system is currently configured im more likely to run into a CPU or GPU bottleneck before i end up actually using all my memory
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my phone has 4GB of RAM 😛
9:03 AM
apple moment, but they do ram compression and all the tricks
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 9:04 AM
my phone has 8GB of ram but because Android is a fuck if i have more than 5 apps open in the background (give or take) then shit'll start excising itself from the background to free up memory
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android is a clusterfuck of memory management
9:04 AM
every OEM is different in their own weird way
9:04 AM
iOS isn't that good, mind you - on a 2GB or 3GB iphone you're still very tight
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 9:04 AM
google pixel 8... grrrr.... Google MAKES Android they should try making Android 15 actually good with memory management
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Large language models (LLMs) are central to modern natural language processing, delivering exceptional performance in various tasks. However, their substantial computational and memory requirements present challenges, especially for devices with limited DRAM capacity. This paper tackles the challenge of efficiently running LLMs that exceed the a...
9:05 AM
this is one of Apple's latest papers
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exio4
android is a clusterfuck of memory management
android memory management seems to have actually gotten worse
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 9:05 AM
considering rumors of an LLM powered Siri or whatnot for iOS 18, i am unsurprised at the topic shown here.
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I'm very curious about what Apple will do with LLMs
9:06 AM
they hate unpredictable user-facing features
9:06 AM
they do a lot of machine learning, but it's all the subtle small stuff around the OS that makes it go the extra mile, or to allow edge-compute
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Egdarska
android memory management seems to have actually gotten worse
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/18/2024 9:06 AM
i wouldn't doubt that for a second sadly
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Egdarska
android memory management seems to have actually gotten worse
why so btw
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might be just anecdotal, but i had an lg 2GB device before and i didn't see as many apps being restarted
9:13 AM
i could have like 6 open at the same time and swap between them and sometimes they would take a few seconds to come back but they'd be where i left off
9:13 AM
modern android just nukes them
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@exio4 kde connect is better than i thought
9:24 AM
it turbocharged my phone
9:25 AM
wait, it changed, sad, it used to read 125
9:25 AM
there we go
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Egdarska
might be just anecdotal, but i had an lg 2GB device before and i didn't see as many apps being restarted
apps did get much heavier
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exio4
apps did get much heavier
no, but i mean like when they'd use up all the ram anyway, and i also had games running back then
9:32 AM
these days it seems like if ram runs out it just gives up and closes the apps rather than try to swap
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i'm confused rn
9:39 AM
this still slaps
9:39 AM
i keep checking back to make sure he's still dead
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GoldenSun3DS 2/18/2024 9:50 AM
RIP bozo? What about Jeff Bozos?
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exio4
wut
he made it when kissinger died
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oh based
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Egdarska
modern android just nukes them
GoldenSun3DS 2/18/2024 9:53 AM
My phone has a "keep open" option for apps. Galaxy Fold 5, probably on other Samsung phones.
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i think all android phones do
10:02 AM
the trick is how it deals with running out of memory if you have several apps that are marked as keep open
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i cant keep apps open on ios lol
10:21 AM
Apple knows what's best for me 👍 supposedly
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shut up and buy the new device
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Egdarska
shut up and buy the new device
it works fine
10:41 AM
i'd only want one for spatial video and lidar
10:41 AM
(and brightness tbf)
10:42 AM
Apple Watch Series X seems promising though
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@Egdarska This work also draws on multi-frame and temporal super-resolution techniques widely used in real-time rendering (for example, in video games) https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3306346.3323024 just in case somebody ever mentions fuck TAA, let them know their smartphone likely does TAA
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deadlybydsgn 2/18/2024 1:20 PM
Wiggle dem pixels
1:24 PM
Whatever Remedy does in their Northlight engine still looks too fuzzy to me unless you apply DLDSR
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! Arch User 2/18/2024 2:23 PM
can the switch run this?
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deadlybydsgn
Whatever Remedy does in their Northlight engine still looks too fuzzy to me unless you apply DLDSR
even w/ DLAA?
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how do i get my encryption keys
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exio4
even w/ DLAA?
deadlybydsgn 2/18/2024 5:17 PM
I can’t recall if Control has that but I can’t really afford DLAA in Alan Wake 2
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deadlybydsgn
I can’t recall if Control has that but I can’t really afford DLAA in Alan Wake 2
fair 😛
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I got my laptop just a few days ago and it's already broken, I looked at the TrustPilot rating of this company and everyone says that their laptop begins to be non-functional. For me it's the screen, 50% of it is just dead pixel and the GPU makes artifacts... (edited) And I can't be refunded so I guess 1340€ wasted. So I bought components to make a new desktop PC.
11:20 PM
(they deny return and exchange as people says in their statement)
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Yann BOYER
I got my laptop just a few days ago and it's already broken, I looked at the TrustPilot rating of this company and everyone says that their laptop begins to be non-functional. For me it's the screen, 50% of it is just dead pixel and the GPU makes artifacts... (edited) And I can't be refunded so I guess 1340€ wasted. So I bought components to make a new desktop PC.
what company? just curious
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Yann BOYER
I got my laptop just a few days ago and it's already broken, I looked at the TrustPilot rating of this company and everyone says that their laptop begins to be non-functional. For me it's the screen, 50% of it is just dead pixel and the GPU makes artifacts... (edited) And I can't be refunded so I guess 1340€ wasted. So I bought components to make a new desktop PC.
squanchy 🥗 2/18/2024 11:52 PM
You're in the EU, you have a right to refund it.
11:52 PM
My son
11:53 PM
Did you pay in cash? Debit card? Credit card?
11:53 PM
CC = you can do a chargeback. (edited)
11:53 PM
Debit card = you can open a dispute but it's more difficult
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squanchy 🥗
Did you pay in cash? Debit card? Credit card?
I paid in X4 payement with debit card.
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squanchy 🥗 2/18/2024 11:54 PM
Cash = letter before action. Sue them in small claims court.
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Was the laptop supposed to be new?
11:54 PM
Debit card? Talk to your bank. They'll tell you what you should do.
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squanchy 🥗
Was the laptop supposed to be new?
Yes, it's a custom laptop.
11:57 PM
I just accepted that it's wasted money.
11:57 PM
I'll never order again from PC Specialist FR.
11:57 PM
And they lied to me.
11:58 PM
They put a 45W RTX 4050 instead of a 140W RTX 4050, so yeah...
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(the website I configured my laptop on LITERALLY said 140W RTX 4050)
11:58 PM
I'm waiting for my desktop PC components to arrive so I can build this new desktop PC.
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GoldenX86_64 2/19/2024 2:56 AM
Decided to try an autobrightness app for the laptop on fedora and works like a charm, sets display and keyboard leds
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@Petracore if u wanna move the discussion here
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oh sorry
4:44 AM
There's something else i'm curious about, a lot of games and applications aren't compatible with apple, is that due to the fact that it's on arm, the fact that their gpu's only run metal or something else or a combination
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yes
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@Petracore replying to compatibility, it's "a bunch of things" 1) their GPU is an iteration-of-an-iteration-of-an-iteration of a mobile GPU, inherently gonna end up behaving differently immediate rendering vs deferred rendering tradeoffs are different, so naive code won't be as efficient for some tasks - it's a question of bandwidth/cache utilization in that regard 2) their own limitation of "focusing on Metal" has meant that they actively ignore things they don't care about, even if others are doing it; which means that some features are straight up missing, which means that if you do things like geometry shaders or tesselation, those would have to be 100% emulated (through mesh shaders) 3) all of this is still an excuse, Apple for example, has released GPTK - a Metal conversion of dxvk, which can run many games on macOS through translation layers, they run poorly tho - but they can run; it does offer the emulation stuff I mention, and it's explicitly meant to be a technology preview for game devs to see if a mac port can be viable (optimize it for metal; ship on apple silicon, and you get 2x the performance)
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I have run cyberpunk 2077 in macOS, the windows version of cyberpunk 2077
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that means there was: Cyberpunk 2077 (x86_64) .-> (DX12) GPTK => Metal \. / '----Wine--Rosetta----> ARM binary (edited)
4:49 AM
kinda like this, I think?
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that's the setup my friend who's on a macbook pro has
4:50 AM
Using rosetta and whiskey
4:50 AM
:meow:
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that makes sense then
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what frame rate do you get on alan wake 2?
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i don't think gptk does mesh shaders
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sad
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the gpu supports them, but the dxvk version it uses is old as fuck
4:51 AM
but M2 is limited mesh shader support
4:51 AM
M3 is when mesh shader support got cranked to 11
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The problem is, support for games on macs is so bad that i woudn't buy a mac unless it was cheaper and more performant than a laptop
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M1/M2 do "AMD raytracing", M3 can do it like NVIDIA
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Petracore
The problem is, support for games on macs is so bad that i woudn't buy a mac unless it was cheaper and more performant than a laptop
if you buy a mac for performance as a sole director, you've fucked up
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yeah
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they're only better value/$ in like, 2 workloads
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exio4
M1/M2 do "AMD raytracing", M3 can do it like NVIDIA
No dlss?
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Petracore
No dlss?
they have their own AI-driven temporal upscaler
4:53 AM
they also have their own 'adaption' of FSR1 for the spatial bit, No Man's Sky supports both, for example
4:53 AM
MetalFX Quality (temporal upscaler, AI-driven, runs on iPhones on the NPU, quality is kinda XeSS-like) MetalFX Performance (spatial upscaler, looks like shit, but extremely cheap, basically FSR1) (edited)
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interesting
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if you've got an iPhone 15 Pro around, you can download the first level of a resident evil game - and play with MetalFX upscaling from 400p on a phone, to like 900p
4:55 AM
resident evil 4 remake? or village? or both? no idea
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one thing i don't get is why if they're supposedly consolidating the experience between mac and ios, some games are only available on phone and not on mac
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it runs a bit mid
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Egdarska
one thing i don't get is why if they're supposedly consolidating the experience between mac and ios, some games are only available on phone and not on mac
uhhh
4:55 AM
which games
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couldn't they just let you install monster hunter stories on mac?
4:55 AM
‎Download apps by CAPCOM, including Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil Village, MEGA MAN X DiVE Offline and many more.
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or can you just install them and the mac bit just means it's exclusive to mac?
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you can install iPadOS apps on Apple Silicon macbooks if the devs authorize it (or actually, don't opt-out)
4:56 AM
iOS apps, too
4:56 AM
they're jank as fuck, Mac means the devs put basic effort into making the window properly resizable, and what not
4:59 AM
oh, also @Egdarska
4:59 AM
iOS games tend to be more limited in settigns
5:00 AM
they're not built with the assumption somebody can run them with 16+ GB of ram available, hell even 8
5:00 AM
(so they ship lower resolution textures, etc)
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Why does apple make their products so performant if they can't run games as well (due to compatablity issues)?
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exio4
(so they ship lower resolution textures, etc)
yeah, but if they can run then they should just let you run them
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Petracore
Why does apple make their products so performant if they can't run games as well (due to compatablity issues)?
for phone's it's different actually, i'm mostly thinking about macs
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Egdarska
yeah, but if they can run then they should just let you run them
developer's choice (or you can try sideloading the iOS app)
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Petracore
Why does apple make their products so performant if they can't run games as well (due to compatablity issues)?
Less power consumption and more battery life?
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Petracore
Why does apple make their products so performant if they can't run games as well (due to compatablity issues)?
Apple thinks that companies will "care about the Mac" now; on regards to gaming and what not but realistically, to do what people have been doing on macbooks for years. this time better/faster, like video editing
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also, something funny, they have an NPU on their laptops, and their phones ship with one for like 5-6 years by now
5:03 AM
you know Google Photos' "Here is a picture of you, and you, and you!" or if you search "red car" you get photos of red cars
5:03 AM
Apple offers E2EE (End to End Encryption) nowadays; and they planned for this - so Apple Photos (on iOS, or macOS) can run the whole object categorization thing on-device
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also @exio4 how does resident evil village work on mac?
5:05 AM
it says free with in app purchase
5:05 AM
so you can just play it for free?
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Digital Foundry guy says it's ok
5:05 AM
uhh
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i meant the pricing lol
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i thought it would be a purchase
5:05 AM
you're fucking right bro i'll download it to see what happens lmao
5:07 AM
IIRC the first chapter is free, but I thought uh
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that was only on iOS
5:08 AM
this is gonna take a whole ass day
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lol actually
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it'll be 3+ hours
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either way, I personally have used my GPU for AI shit
5:09 AM
😛
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Is it downloading the raw installed files or something?
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uhh, I assume so? apps just install afterwards and you double click on them
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exio4
this is gonna take a whole ass day
is that 4 or village?
5:10 AM
village is 30 buckerinos
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sorry, $39.99
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my re4 install is 60GB
5:10 AM
the IAP actually just unlocks it
5:10 AM
the download is downloading the whole game
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kinda makes sense, it reuses assets so it would need to have a lot of duplicates if you could only download one chapter
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18% 💀
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re village is only 34GB apparently
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i'm not buying it
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lol, is it also $40 in argentina?
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$39.99 is around $279.99 more than i have rn
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Egdarska
lol, is it also $40 in argentina?
yeah I don't think Apple really does regional pricing?
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total apple move
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no i mean they offer some regionalization, but not like, super deep?
5:43 AM
i'm in USD, i get fucked, etc
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the game doesn't have a demo either?
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also, argneitna is irrelevant
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Egdarska
the game doesn't have a demo either?
village? doesn't seem like it
5:43 AM
btw, @Egdarska do you know which algorithms are used today by phones (to read the papers on how they improved real-life dlss)
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you mean the camera burst thing
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i think it might be the same you linked
5:45 AM
yeah, it's the paper by wronski
5:45 AM
same method, i think they just change how the captures are averaged
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everybody says they do machine learning now tho
5:46 AM
i wanna know where they inject the machine learning models
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i think that's just to refine it, but i can't remember a paper
5:47 AM
also re village has a demo on steam, i don't know why there isn't one on mac
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does re village [steam] support mac
5:47 AM
this is app store
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not mac
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not sure
5:48 AM
says no
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Egdarska
also re village has a demo on steam, i don't know why there isn't one on mac
valve did some demo initiative iirc
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can't remember the specifics but a lot more games have demos now
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capcom always had demos, but they're always stupid
5:49 AM
RE demos have a 1 hour time limit
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speedrun time
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dragon quest 11 might be the best demo ever
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I remember the demos in smash brawl can actually be completed lol
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it was the first part of the game, like 3-6 hours of gameplay depending on how you played, and the save moved over to the full game
5:50 AM
this is like a 70-80 hour jrpg
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Egdarska
says no
F then
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Этот канал о жизни и приключениях маленького леопардёнка по имени Луна, которому люди заменили родителей. This channel is about the life and adventures of a little leopard named Luna, which people have replaced the parents.
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Egdarska
@__fastcall trying to scream in an intimidating tone https://youtu.be/4shrHLbkliY?t=11
guys does this mean the last growth spurt is coming
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or is it over
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gonna sound like a women
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it's not joever for men until like 22
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LETS GOOO
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does being mentally underdeveloped count
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GoldenX86_64 2/19/2024 6:03 AM
no
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giant baby
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i have now
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why are big cats so cute
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murder kitties
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 7:00 AM
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it runs "fine" - performance is great, but it has shader compilation stutter or something like that
9:14 AM
this is like 1700p at 1/4 res w/ MetalFX Quality
9:18 AM
(latest 2 are 50%, 50% interlaced, with built-in TAA, prior to these 2, MetalFX Quality)
9:18 AM
matching screen resolution rn
9:19 AM
TAA+FXAA kek
9:19 AM
(on the later two, forgor to mention)
9:23 AM
found a problem
9:23 AM
how do i pew pew with mac trackpad
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I think you can rebind aim or shoot to a keyboard key
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does HDR
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But i always play with controller
9:24 AM
this one is metalfx quality at 1900p
9:24 AM
i assume the usable space is only like 1700?
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Looks acceptable
9:25 AM
Actually it looks like they changed the skin shader
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given this is on a 14" display, i'm gonna be honest, i couldn't tell native from metalfx quality, metalfx performance did look different but i didn't try foliage which is where fsr1 dies
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There aren't that many areas with foliage anyway
9:27 AM
It's basically just the start
9:27 AM
Most of the village area has foliage around it but not close to the player
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for a more standard resolution, i can try 1440p on the 27"
9:28 AM
but being honest, I'd play at 4K + MetalFX Quality in that case lol
9:28 AM
1080p temporally upscaled to 4K, downsampled to 1440p
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exio4
it runs "fine" - performance is great, but it has shader compilation stutter or something like that
takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:29 AM
is that iphone 15?
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takanome9104
is that iphone 15?
macbook pro 14" m2 max base model
9:34 AM
https://www.macgamerhq.com/games/resident-evil-4-mac/
We already spoiled this section by confirming that even the cheapest, weakest M1 machine can run Resident Evil 4 at more than acceptable frame rates. Using a 1080p resolution, Balanced graphics, and Performance MetalFX presets, the game runs at an average of 46 FPS. During intense fights, frames would drop to around 35 FPS, but considering that many games run at 30 FPS on consoles, we can consider it mission accomplished for the MacBook Air.
540p => 1080p with a temporal upscaler, on a fanless laptop, while still having 4-5? hours of battery life, seems pretty good if you put a 30 fps cap
One of the best-looking games of 2023 was just released on Mac. Resident Evil 4 on macOS is particularly surprising because it completely flew under
9:35 AM
wait, nvm
9:35 AM
spatial upscaler
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F
9:35 AM
either way, it does look much crisper than cyberpunk
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:37 AM
why there is shader compilation for these laptops its just one chip it's basically a console
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i said shader compilation, might be streaming issues because it decided to use the e-cores? it happened on cutscene transitions
9:39 AM
i need to boot it again but i burned 30% of my battery in like 25 minutes
9:39 AM
i'm fine rn
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:40 AM
is it hot
9:40 AM
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takanome9104
is it hot
fans turned on extremely quickly, preemptively, faster than on any other workload - because game mode knew it was GAMING time
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:43 AM
i thought it was fanless
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this is the macbook pro
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:44 AM
bruh
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not the air
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:44 AM
are you in apple HQ right now
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:45 AM
two minutes ago you have the base model
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He's using the M4 Pro Max Ultra chip
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takanome9104
two minutes ago you have the base model
"m2 max base model"
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the base mode of the m2 max chip
9:46 AM
it's also the 14", so it performs the worst because it's on the smallest/most power constrained chassis
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Moonlacer
He's using the M4 Pro Max Ultra chip
I'd love an M4 Pro
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(latest 2 are 50%, 50% interlaced, with built-in TAA, prior to these 2, MetalFX Quality)
is metal fx quality 50%?
10:27 AM
this is 3072x1728 with dlss performance
10:30 AM
also for some reason i'm getting consistently higher frame rate wt this resolution than 1080p with dlss performance
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Can I even fit a decent GPU in here? Are single fan cards all that will fit? 315x170x345 (mm) pretty crappy case, maybe I should think of buying another. Well, I did cheap out on it (as in, "damn I forgot I needed a case") (edited)
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Nuki
Can I even fit a decent GPU in here? Are single fan cards all that will fit? 315x170x345 (mm) pretty crappy case, maybe I should think of buying another. Well, I did cheap out on it (as in, "damn I forgot I needed a case") (edited)
That looks regular sized, could probably fit a dual fan gpu
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Looks tall and thicc enough
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Egdarska
That looks regular sized, could probably fit a dual fan gpu
well there's not a lot of airflow a bigger gpu might overheat lol, that's also one of my worries
4:00 PM
my cpu is fine with the stock cooler
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Nuki
well there's not a lot of airflow a bigger gpu might overheat lol, that's also one of my worries
Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 4:00 PM
Not if you keep the side off!
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Who needs glass side plates anyways
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that's acrylic but yeah I could leave it off I guess
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Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 4:01 PM
If its clear its just gonna increase airflow if you take it off
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Unless there is like, cleaning considerations to be taken
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it would be a dust magnet
4:02 PM
lol
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If you don't mind diy you could cut a big hole in it and glue a mesh to it
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exio4
i need to boot it again but i burned 30% of my battery in like 25 minutes
SadSinglePringle 2/19/2024 5:09 PM
gaming laptop fr fr
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fr
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Egdarska
That looks regular sized, could probably fit a dual fan gpu
that's good looking into the 5500xt and 6500xt sadly 6600xt is out of my budget, which isn't high lol Looking into both because the latter honestly looks like a downgrade, or a sidegrade at best, from the 5500xt (edited)
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>ayymd
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AMD or nothing I'm not going nvidia (edited)
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Egdarska
amd
I was waiting for it to load... that emote is literally invisible in AMOLED dark mode
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Lel
6:17 PM
They shoulda made a red version too
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team dead
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Nuki
AMD or nothing I'm not going nvidia (edited)
SadSinglePringle 2/19/2024 6:33 PM
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
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Friends don't let friends buy amd gpus
6:35 PM
Even an intel gpu is better, it will work eventually
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SadSinglePringle
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
AMD OR NOTHING I'M NOT GOING NVIDIA
7:01 PM
surely you heard it now
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SadSinglePringle 2/19/2024 7:01 PM
WHY
7:02 PM
why do you hate yourself?
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Nuki
that's good looking into the 5500xt and 6500xt sadly 6600xt is out of my budget, which isn't high lol Looking into both because the latter honestly looks like a downgrade, or a sidegrade at best, from the 5500xt (edited)
Dont get shit you will regret it
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Radeon is probably the right choice for that low a budget
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SadSinglePringle
why do you hate yourself?
I don't hate myself, I hate nvidia (edited)
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where did jensen touch you
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Nuki
I don't hate myself, I hate nvidia (edited)
must be a linux user
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greggle
where did jensen touch you
jensen doesn't need women he's got his leather jacket
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 7:51 PM
A good friend of mine is staunchly team red for GPUs. He had a 980 for a while but he hasn’t said a good thing about Nvidia for almost 10 years
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Meanwhile i struggle to think of a legitimately good thing about modern amd gpus
7:52 PM
They have lots of vram i guess
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they can in fact display graphics
7:54 PM
... sometimes
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Mine does enable freesync, so that's good i guess
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every now and again a developer will fuck up nvidia optimizations
7:59 PM
in such cases you get incredible wins of like 5%
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Nuki
Can I even fit a decent GPU in here? Are single fan cards all that will fit? 315x170x345 (mm) pretty crappy case, maybe I should think of buying another. Well, I did cheap out on it (as in, "damn I forgot I needed a case") (edited)
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:33 PM
This means NOTHING to me.
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NOTHING
8:33 PM
You need to measure out the GPU clearance, not the overall dimensions of the case.
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greggle
they can in fact display graphics
fr
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:38 PM
NM_NoCap
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Egdarska
is metal fx quality 50%?
yes
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SadSinglePringle
gaming laptop fr fr
real
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SadSinglePringle 2/19/2024 8:39 PM
it's drawing power like a gaming laptop lol
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:39 PM
Some AMD cards seem like a good value rn if all you want is vram and raster speed and don’t care about power or heat
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Like the 6800xt
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That’s what the friend I just mentioned is running
8:41 PM
If I’m remembering my charts right, I think it’s somewhere around 4070ti in raster speed. Or maybe it was the regular 4070 (edited)
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SadSinglePringle
it's drawing power like a gaming laptop lol
it used more than usual
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SadSinglePringle 2/19/2024 8:41 PM
so?
8:42 PM
when gaming your chewing through battery life (edited)
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SadSinglePringle
so?
even with heavy combined workloads, without gaming, it's usually like only 50W max
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deadlybydsgn
If I’m remembering my charts right, I think it’s somewhere around 4070ti in raster speed. Or maybe it was the regular 4070 (edited)
takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:42 PM
4070 not the ti
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:43 PM
Thanks. I’m in a car rn or I’d otherwise check (edited)
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:43 PM
but still its good for raster tbh
8:43 PM
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AMD gpus need to be 1 tier better performance/$ (if you're am AMD fanboy) or 2-4 depending on what you do
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deadlybydsgn
Thanks. I’m in a car rn or I’d otherwise check (edited)
takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:43 PM
here you go
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:44 PM
@exio4 I tried Alan Wake 2 with DLAA last night just to see and it did look okay
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DLAA is insanely heavy so might as well cry
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:45 PM
It’s not terrible with the fake frame gen mod, but still feels more sluggish than it reports in the afterburner overlay
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So it’s either do DLDSR + DLSS and feel more responsive or run DLAA at native with fake frame gen and feel a little sloppy (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:46 PM
The fake FG has some in-engine ghosting too
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squanchy 🥗
You need to measure out the GPU clearance, not the overall dimensions of the case.
Fair enough, that is true. I know it's my fault, but ya could afford to be a bit less condescending.
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:47 PM
4070 in ray tracing is about 40% better than 6800xt
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:48 PM
Yep. My friend doesn’t even turn on half of the graphics in modern games so he thinks it’s all BS
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:48 PM
yeah if you play fps games there is no point of graphics tbh
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i just put everything to low even with 4090
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if i have -_-
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deadlybydsgn
The fake FG has some in-engine ghosting too
Turn off motion blur and chromatic aberration
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:49 PM
He doesn’t. He just doesn’t turn stuff on kek
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takanome9104
4070 in ray tracing is about 40% better than 6800xt
i'll ignore any single number for RT between brands
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exio4
yes
It kinda looks like shit ngl
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Egdarska
It kinda looks like shit ngl
metalfx's algo is "for" iphones, the better comparison would be xess dp4a
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dlss is MUCH more demanding on the neural network
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Might just be that you had chromatic memeberration on
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deadlybydsgn 2/19/2024 8:51 PM
I don’t thunk chromatic aberration is its own setting
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The exio defense I-it's supposed to be shit but efficient
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Egdarska
The exio defense I-it's supposed to be shit but efficient
no, i wish they had cared more
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but even intel can't beat compute/bw constraints
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like, xess dp4a is for their IGPs
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deadlybydsgn
I don’t thunk chromatic aberration is its own setting
I can't remember if it is, i might have disabled it in config file
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Nuki
Fair enough, that is true. I know it's my fault, but ya could afford to be a bit less condescending.
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:53 PM
IT MEANS NOTHING PE_PandaReeFill (edited)
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takanome9104
4070 in ray tracing is about 40% better than 6800xt
replying to the 🤔 - AMD gpus can range from "only half a tier worse performance" to "can't beat 5 year old gpus" performance in RT
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but the key - that happens when you use more RT
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:56 PM
yup for people like me who loves story games and graphics in general + emulation amd gpus kinda shit right now
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takanome9104
4070 in ray tracing is about 40% better than 6800xt
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:56 PM
Yes, and the 4070's ray tracing is about 5% better than the 7800 XT's, which is cheaper.
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:57 PM
but for raster its really good value
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:57 PM
Nvidia sold us an xx60 card as the 4070, which is why this is the case.
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squanchy 🥗
Yes, and the 4070's ray tracing is about 5% better than the 7800 XT's, which is cheaper.
so true bestie
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squanchy 🥗
Yes, and the 4070's ray tracing is about 5% better than the 7800 XT's, which is cheaper.
Weird, considering the 4070 beats the 7900xt in cyberpunk path tracing
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By about 30%
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:58 PM
Don't make things gayer between us than needed @exio4 it's already pretty gay when we walk past each other at the hardware store.
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that's ultra RT
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path tracing should be a bigger gap
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Egdarska
Weird, considering the 4070 beats the 7900xt in cyberpunk path tracing
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:58 PM
That's what skews it lol. CP77 = 30-50% win for Nvidia.
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Oh yeah, it was ultra rt
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:58 PM
3080 can beat 7900XTX
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ah nevermind
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squanchy 🥗
That's what skews it lol. CP77 = 30-50% win for Nvidia.
Yeah, using more rt makes it perform worse, that's the point
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:59 PM
or the same
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takanome9104
3080 can beat 7900XTX
in pure RT, XTX is around 2080 Ti or so performance
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 8:59 PM
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7800 XT is 4% slower than the 4070 @ 1080p RT
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2% slower @ 1440p RT
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exio4
in pure RT, XTX is around 2080 Ti or so performance
takanome9104 2/19/2024 8:59 PM
yeah we mean game right now using RT
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Average lol
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Steve from HUB purposefully tests "playable-ish" settings on those gpus
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for RT
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Egdarska
Meanwhile i struggle to think of a legitimately good thing about modern amd gpus
not to mention I can buy a consumer GPU and have full professional compute support
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this is like when amd claimed their card was amazing because it got like 30% better fps in a specific f1 game
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he doesn't crank the RT slider to absurdity to measure the raw RT grunt of low end GPUs because he thinks it is irrelevant
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:00 PM
This isn't because RDNA3 has the same RT perf of Lovelace. It's because every GPU from the 4080 Super down is actually a fake GPU name, moved one level higher to justify almost doubling the price.
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amd's rocm is only supported on the company priced expensive cards, and it's still worse than cuda (edited)
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:00 PM
i.e. the 4080 Super == really a 4070 Ti
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4070 Ti == 4060 Ti
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squanchy 🥗
This isn't because RDNA3 has the same RT perf of Lovelace. It's because every GPU from the 4080 Super down is actually a fake GPU name, moved one level higher to justify almost doubling the price.
RDNA3 is worse than Turing, architecturally
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:00 PM
4070 == 4060
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squanchy 🥗
This isn't because RDNA3 has the same RT perf of Lovelace. It's because every GPU from the 4080 Super down is actually a fake GPU name, moved one level higher to justify almost doubling the price.
Lol, imagine how bad amd would look if they used the real gpus then
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AMD is still catching to 2018 NVIDIA
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:01 PM
It goes like that all the way down.
9:01 PM
The RTX 4060 is the successor to the RTX 3050
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Since amd's flasgship gets beat by a mid range card
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would have been hilarious
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:01 PM
It's only with the 4080 that Nvidia start pulling ahead in terms of RT perf per dollar.
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but nvidia made more money this way
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Imagine nvidia announcing the ada titan
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:02 PM
AMD actually have higher RT performance per dollar from the 4070 Super down (not sure about the 4070 Ti).
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Egdarska
Imagine nvidia announcing the ada titan
600W monster, 15% more RT performance than the 4090
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actually isn't intel battlemage due for this year
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i thought they cancelled it
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or delayed rather
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LPhin
actually isn't intel battlemage due for this year
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:02 PM
If MLID is to be believed, yes. praydge
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exio4
600W monster, 15% more RT performance than the 4090
So it would double its advantage over the 7900xtx
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@squanchy 🥗 i picked a an amd sponsored title
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squanchy 🥗
AMD actually have higher RT performance per dollar from the 4070 Super down (not sure about the 4070 Ti).
takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:02 PM
per dollar while having 20fps
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takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:02 PM
really fun
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:02 PM
Crapatar
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alchemist was two years ago
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so it's due for this year
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4070 is almost 30% faster at 1080p (edited)
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:03 PM
Also wait, doesn't the 7900 XTX cost almost the same as the 4070 Ti now?
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depends on where you are
9:03 PM
nvidia is 2x amd here
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for the things I do on my desktop GPU which are:
  • Cyberpunk
  • AI shit
  • compute
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LPhin
so it's due for this year
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exio4
for the things I do on my desktop GPU which are:
  • Cyberpunk
  • AI shit
  • compute
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:03 PM
Specifically, the Johnny Silverdong joytoy mod.
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the XTX is competing with the 4060 Ti
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Just use the cpu at that point
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i'm not kidding
9:04 PM
and even then, competing is a strong word
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:04 PM
7900 XTX = £855 4070 Ti = £708
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I'd need to migrate to Linux - and deal with ROCm
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:04 PM
Tbh I'd pay more for the 24GB of VRAM.
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But I'd pay less due to the lack of DLSS.
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you're paying more for an inferior product lol
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:04 PM
Yeah on the Nvidia side. 😭
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24GB of VRAM only useful for game textures
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Muh vram i can't use
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fr
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you can't use it for RT
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exio4
24GB of VRAM only useful for game textures
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:05 PM
i.e. the single most important aspect of image quality lol.
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squanchy 🥗
i.e. the single most important aspect of image quality lol.
i didn't even mean gaming
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Imagine all the ai shit you can do with 24GB
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:05 PM
And also for RT, but 16GB should be enough until the next console cycle.
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amd really needs a zen moment on the gpu side of things but how do they beat the sheer amount of money nvidia has been pumping into r&d
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LPhin
amd really needs a zen moment on the gpu side of things but how do they beat the sheer amount of money nvidia has been pumping into r&d
they had a bulldozer moment
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Egdarska
Imagine all the ai shit you can do with 24GB
if only it was usable on amd (edited)
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i expect 5 years
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kinda hard at this point, i have more hope for intel rn (edited)
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:05 PM
I could ray-trace each individual butt in my Steam games.
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yea intel might be good soon
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:05 PM
Nah
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Rdna5 gonna be 🔥
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I bet rdna7 is when NVIDIA gets worried
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But by then nvidia will be like 3 gens ahead
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:06 PM
Besides Alder Lake, Intel haven't realised a good CPU/GPU product since Sandy Bridge. (edited)
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jensen is simply the better cousin apparently
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Rdna5 gonna be 🔥
takanome9104 2/19/2024 9:06 PM
literally
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i actually think intel's gpus are going in the right direction
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jensen is simply the better cousin apparently
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:06 PM
First cousins once removed or something idk.
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squanchy 🥗
Besides Alder Lake, Intel haven't realised a good CPU/GPU product since Sandy Bridge. (edited)
AMD hasn't had a good GPU product in like 14 years
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just severely held back by software
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and yet here we are
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:06 PM
He's her great-uncle-cousin or something idk?
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exio4
AMD hasn't had a good GPU product in like 14 years
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:07 PM
5700 XT aged like fine wine. aPES_Wine
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Yeah, intel seems to actually be trying
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:07 PM
Turned out to be faster than the RTX 2070 and 2070 Super despite being £100 less.
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EZbuff
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Amd is like, given up
9:07 PM
Didn't even try to compete atthe high end, or even middle-high
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squanchy 🥗
He's her great-uncle-cousin or something idk?
he's the cousin all the parents compare to
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squanchy 🥗
Turned out to be faster than the RTX 2070 and 2070 Super despite being £100 less.
it also doesn't have DLSS, encoders that get outperformed by maxwell GPUs
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amd atm feels like they're directing most of their r&d budget towards their CPUs
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5700 XT "may have made sense", back then
9:08 PM
but it stagnated
9:08 PM
turing cards have had a glow up with ai shit every 4-5 months for like 4 years straight
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Lol i hadn't even thought about how shit amd's encoder was before it got "usable"
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:08 PM
Except they ended up being useless for almost everything.
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Useless for RT, definitely.
9:09 PM
Doesn't support frame gen, another artificial cap.
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it isn't artificial
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:09 PM
They somehow have to rely on AMD's frame gen tech.
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squanchy 🥗
Doesn't support frame gen, another artificial cap.
Artificial how?
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:09 PM
Which magically works without whatever hardware Nvidia engineered DLSS frame gen to require.
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And it's inferior
9:09 PM
Fsr2 works on any gpu too
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:09 PM
Would it be inferior if Nvidia's engineers worked on it?
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Probably considering how incompetent amd's are
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:10 PM
Nvidia code their software features to require specific hardware only found in newer GPUs.
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But the point is it requires hardware acceleration to be that good
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:10 PM
We know DLSS doesn't need tensor cores. Nvidia had a CUDA variant in Control.
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squanchy 🥗
Would it be inferior if Nvidia's engineers worked on it?
yes
9:10 PM
you can see proof of this with XeSS
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squanchy 🥗
Nvidia code their software features to require specific hardware only found in newer GPUs.
That's how hardware acceleration works, yes
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:10 PM
Ok I'm going to lab Kazuya for three hours.
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It needs hardware
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XeSS DP4a uses a much simpler machine learning model
9:11 PM
XeSS XMX - when Intel engineers got to work, actually competes with DLSS
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XeSS XMX looks better iirc
9:11 PM
though barely anyone actually has an intel gpu to use it with xd
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squanchy 🥗
We know DLSS doesn't need tensor cores. Nvidia had a CUDA variant in Control.
it was bad
9:13 PM
also, WE KNOW DLSS NEEDS IT
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it was bad
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:13 PM
Ne it looked WAY better than DLSS1
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Like 10x better
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yes, dlss1 was bad
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:13 PM
But DLSS1 needed Nvidia GPUs.
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DLSS1 was a spatial upscaler
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:13 PM
They had CUDA DLSS in their locker but didn't want it to gain popularity.
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it seemed a cool idea back in 2013-2014
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squanchy 🥗
They had CUDA DLSS in their locker but didn't want it to gain popularity.
???
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:13 PM
Um
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Control
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It was shit
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:13 PM
Had DLSS "1.9" which used FP32 cores.
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And it looked like FSR1 lol.
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Did you actually use it?
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:14 PM
I've seen videos of it.
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Yes, it was shit
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Control 1.9 was basically a tech demo
9:14 PM
from NVIDIA
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Which is why dlss2 is a thing
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:14 PM
It was way better than DLSS1, which was a train wreck.
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err, DLSS 1.9**
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:14 PM
Control is a tech demo lol.
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The game itself
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Wut
9:14 PM
Every game is s tech demo now
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DLSS 1.9 was a tech demo in the most literal sense of the world
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ignore western tech demos, return to fromsoft
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it was a one-off project to see if the approach was viable
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but yeah even i'm at a point where RT is starting to show up often enough that i'm genuinely considering nvidia or intel, despite all my PCs up until now having been AMD
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like unless AMD's RT perf really steps up nextgen, i'm probably moving to team blue or green
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LPhin
like unless AMD's RT perf really steps up nextgen, i'm probably moving to team blue or green
Got news bud
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LPhin
but yeah even i'm at a point where RT is starting to show up often enough that i'm genuinely considering nvidia or intel, despite all my PCs up until now having been AMD
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:17 PM
You'd consider Intel despite their now fourth failed attempt at GPUs over the last 25 years?
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On the other hand, buying intel is at least a safer bet
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hey now alchemist isn't that bad
9:18 PM
i have some faith that battlemage can be decent
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Amd has shown they don't care about having something decent, intel is at least trying
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But I'd just buy a gpu that works now
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squanchy 🥗
You'd consider Intel despite their now fourth failed attempt at GPUs over the last 25 years?
Intel nailed everything around a GPU
9:18 PM
the encoders from Intel are ahead of RDNA7
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:18 PM
Just a reminder, this is what Intel were promising OEMs in 2021:
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What they delivered: 6500 XT performance.
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their gpus were a tier below AMD in raster but a tier above in RT, iirc (edited)
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Lol, 6800xt on the 3080 tier
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it also shows the RX 6600 XT competing on the 3060 Ti
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:19 PM
Yes but so weak overall that RT would never make sense.
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squanchy 🥗
Just a reminder, this is what Intel were promising OEMs in 2021:
The issue is that Intel gpus are better to encoding and compute workloads, they haven't delivered on gaming
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when we all know it's more of a 3050 competitor lol
9:20 PM
nobody should a 6600 XT if the 3060 is available, or 3060 Ti
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:20 PM
6600 XT is what, 50% faster than the 3050?
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at the same price
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On linux rdna gpus are plague by ring timeout issues
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:20 PM
Damn.
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squanchy 🥗
Just a reminder, this is what Intel were promising OEMs in 2021:
Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 9:20 PM
So technically within the bounding box
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yes, exactly
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:20 PM
Yes we all remember the 3050 being more expensive than the 6600 XT despite being much slower.
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That's Just Nvidia Things™️.
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at the time when i bought my 6700xt though RT wasn't exactly prevalent
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now it's a purchase consideration
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as well as good upscaling
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:20 PM
The 6700 XT turned out to be a MUCH better buy than the 3070 @LPhin
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I personally wanted good ompute stack
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squanchy 🥗
The 6700 XT turned out to be a MUCH better buy than the 3070 @LPhin
Ampere was one of the worst GPU generations NVIDIA ever made
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
The 3070 8GB aged like rancid vomit, same as the 3080 10GB.
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No that was Turing.
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all of the GPUs from that generation will age like shit
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oh i'm still fine with my 6700xt, don't get me wrong
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squanchy 🥗
The 6700 XT turned out to be a MUCH better buy than the 3070 @LPhin
Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
Im suffering
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
Ampere had a huge performance increase if you compared $700 vs $700 GPUs.
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squanchy 🥗
The 3070 8GB aged like rancid vomit, same as the 3080 10GB.
Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
Im suffering 2x
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
For example
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squanchy 🥗
Ampere had a huge performance increase if you compared $700 vs $700 GPUs.
"performance increase"
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i'm just saying for upgrades down the line i'm gonna consider blue or green more because of the better RT
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
It's just the 3090 was an insult.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
my honest reaction when the first generation product does not compare to products that have had decades of hard work put into them
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and better upscaling
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:21 PM
$1500 when it should've been $1200 at most.
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because fsr2 is just the worst upscaler atm
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LPhin
because fsr2 is just the worst upscaler atm
Fsr1 exists
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*temporal
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scuse me
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LPhin
because fsr2 is just the worst upscaler atm
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:22 PM
it's the worst? that's funny cuz it's still pretty good overall
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The only thing worse than an amd solution is another amd solution lol
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i'm not saying it's bad
9:23 PM
it's usable
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but the other options are better
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:23 PM
true.
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It's good if you have nothing else
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It's marginally better than ue4's native upscaling
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Not better than ue5's though
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and worse than ue5's TSR
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ye
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Though you can force ue5's upscaling in ue4
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:24 PM
i forget, wasn't TSR technically backported or something of the like to UE4.26 or somewhere about there?
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LukeTheVideoGamer
my honest reaction when the first generation product does not compare to products that have had decades of hard work put into them
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:24 PM
This is Intel's fourth attempt at GPUs. #1: Intel740 (1998, Intel's first dGPU) #2: Larrabee (scheduled for 2010 but never made it to release, Intel spent tens of billions on it. ) #3: Intel Iris Xe Max (2020, basically a mobile SoC with the CPU cores disabled, stuck to a PCIe PCB) #4: Intel Arc (2022, the current-gen)
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only on later versions iirc
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squanchy 🥗
This is Intel's fourth attempt at GPUs. #1: Intel740 (1998, Intel's first dGPU) #2: Larrabee (scheduled for 2010 but never made it to release, Intel spent tens of billions on it. ) #3: Intel Iris Xe Max (2020, basically a mobile SoC with the CPU cores disabled, stuck to a PCIe PCB) #4: Intel Arc (2022, the current-gen)
we're on like the fifth attempt of AMD to make encoders
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squanchy 🥗
This is Intel's fourth attempt at GPUs. #1: Intel740 (1998, Intel's first dGPU) #2: Larrabee (scheduled for 2010 but never made it to release, Intel spent tens of billions on it. ) #3: Intel Iris Xe Max (2020, basically a mobile SoC with the CPU cores disabled, stuck to a PCIe PCB) #4: Intel Arc (2022, the current-gen)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:24 PM
and? it's still, by all counts, a first generation product, even if it was their fourth overall attempt
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and they still haven't figured it out
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:25 PM
Go to your room @exio4
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:25 PM
nah let him cook
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:25 PM
At this rate we'll be waiting for some ARM-based GPU.
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imagination still exists
9:26 PM
they still make gpus
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:26 PM
How much die space would 10,000 Mali cores need? (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:26 PM
i don't understand bein a hater when something does actually show promise
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i haven't seen a powerVR gpu in anything for years but they're still making new GPU designs apparently
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i don't understand bein a hater when something does actually show promise
@squanchy 🥗 is an amd fanboy, when your company is doing worse than Apple at GPU core design, that's when you know you need to hit for the copium
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:26 PM
Please, I'm a loyal Nvidia customer like the rest of the sheep in here.
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I have a 4070, bought at launch.
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@squanchy 🥗 is an amd fanboy, when your company is doing worse than Apple at GPU core design, that's when you know you need to hit for the copium
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:27 PM
just enjoy products for what they are, what they could be, and not for the company that slaps their name all over it
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:27 PM
PeepoNvidia 🐑
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It's going to be hilarious when the first export chinese gpu comes out and it has better encoders than amd (edited)
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How much die space would 10,000 Mali cores need? (edited)
Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 9:27 PM
That would not do anything
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:27 PM
In datacenter, Nvidia are kind of screwed right now.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:27 PM
idgaf about nvidia or amd or intel, as long as the stuff they make is actually good individually, i would pick one of those options
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Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 9:27 PM
Could maybe beat out a ti 84
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:28 PM
MI300 is gaining huge traction, is cheaper, more powerful, and has actual availability.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
idgaf about nvidia or amd or intel, as long as the stuff they make is actually good individually, i would pick one of those options
this
9:28 PM
i've been buying AMD over the last couple gens because they've just been the better price/perf for my usecase
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LukeTheVideoGamer
idgaf about nvidia or amd or intel, as long as the stuff they make is actually good individually, i would pick one of those options
Yeah that's why i buy nvidia
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:28 PM
No lol, the last thing we need is for Intel to be successful at something again. I guess you people don't remember us paying $350 for 4C/8T every year from 2010-2017.
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but now my usecase is changing so i'm gonna buy intel or nvidia :P
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Like it or not it's the only company making fully usable gpus
9:29 PM
I've been waiting for amd to make something competent for a while (edited)
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if intel is still doing the undercut to sell more units strat with battlemage, there's a good chance they're gonna end up with good price/perf
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squanchy 🥗
No lol, the last thing we need is for Intel to be successful at something again. I guess you people don't remember us paying $350 for 4C/8T every year from 2010-2017.
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:29 PM
that problem wasn't because they were successful, that problem was born from being the only decent option, the moment Ryzen and Apple Silicon started making headway for PC and Macs respectively they started getting serious bout this shit
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Egdarska
I've been waiting for amd to make something competent for a while (edited)
it's weird because they're competent on the CPU side of things
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LukeTheVideoGamer
that problem wasn't because they were successful, that problem was born from being the only decent option, the moment Ryzen and Apple Silicon started making headway for PC and Macs respectively they started getting serious bout this shit
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:30 PM
No, that was because Intel bribed OEMs to not carry AMD systems, and rigged industry benchmarks to make AMD's CPUs look worse than they actually were.
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AMD is still the only good laptop option rn, ignoring ARM
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:30 PM
Alder Lake was extremely well designed and produced, and we couldn't have gotten it from a 2014 Intel, during AMD's pitiful FX and A-series years
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:30 PM
I understand you might not have been alive in 2010, so you won't remember.
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squanchy 🥗
No, that was because Intel bribed OEMs to not carry AMD systems, and rigged industry benchmarks to make AMD's CPUs look worse than they actually were.
The FX cpus were horrible lmao
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:31 PM
Like
9:31 PM
How can people not know this shit?
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can confirm, i owned an FX
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squanchy 🥗
No, that was because Intel bribed OEMs to not carry AMD systems, and rigged industry benchmarks to make AMD's CPUs look worse than they actually were.
Amd's performance did allthe talking
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:31 PM
I guess Intel have been the uncool company for so long
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squanchy 🥗
No lol, the last thing we need is for Intel to be successful at something again. I guess you people don't remember us paying $350 for 4C/8T every year from 2010-2017.
I don't want to buy NVIDIA
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:31 PM
i literally use an FX-6300 in my home computer, everyone went Intel not because Intel was good, they went Intel because AMD was bad
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I had a FM2+ APU that I got rid off for an used sandy bridge
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Yesh, i only jad a 6300 because it was cheap
9:31 PM
Ayo
9:31 PM
This is how Intel starvged AMD of revenue.
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that cpu was from 2016 and performed worse than a intel CPU from 2011
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:31 PM
They paid Dell $1bn a year as of 2007 to not carry AMD systems.
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yes intel did do scummy things, but FX was also actually just shit
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:32 PM
So no shit AMD couldn't invest in CPU design.
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We're not denying intel did shady shit, we're saying amd's cpus were shit
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:32 PM
Go to Exio's room
9:32 PM
I'm locking you both in there.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:32 PM
dawg stfu it's like five to one atp
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:32 PM
lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:32 PM
give up or die on this hill it's ur call
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anyways AMD on the CPU side of thing is still generally competent
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:33 PM
Or I can just keep pointing out when you're dumb @LukeTheVideoGamer
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LPhin
anyways AMD on the CPU side of thing is still generally competent
not the firmware side
9:33 PM
AM5 has a sleep bug right now
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i'm just confused that they can't extend this competency to the GPU side of things
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Memory training moment
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exio4
AM5 has a sleep bug right now
Awesomeangotti 2/19/2024 9:33 PM
Sleep bug?
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the AGESA is still half-baked
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:33 PM
Imagine calling Arc Intel's "first-generation GPU" when it was literally preceded by DG1 which was intended to be sold as a dGPU but got canned due to shitty performance + drivers. (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:33 PM
idgad about the companies, they're all awful in one way or another. but if a product one of these companies makes is well designed, has great performance, and is excellent value, no shit im gonna get that product regardless if it was made by Nvidia, or Intel, or fucking Qualcomm
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Amd is on the third rdna and they still have broken encoders lol
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like 9/10 times i would probably prefer an AMD laptop over an intel laptop right now
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In fact they broke them more than they were
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whas DG1 even remotely close to the same architecture as ARC?
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LotP
whas DG1 even remotely close to the same architecture as ARC?
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:34 PM
Ye, it's Xe.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:34 PM
me when brand names
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:34 PM
It's physically the same as the iGPUs.
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it's the same architecture family
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LPhin
like 9/10 times i would probably prefer an AMD laptop over an intel laptop right now
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:35 PM
What if they were the same price? AMD laptops are usually much cheaper.
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Intel laptops go up to ridiculous MacBook tier pricing.
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that comparison assumes same price
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I think @squanchy 🥗 misunderstands Intel being incompetent with AMD being good
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:35 PM
AMD's seem to stop at around £1500-2000.
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If yo just want amd's crappy igpu yes
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:35 PM
Unfortunately Dell and HP both still gimp their AMD lineup to keep Intel happy.
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Intel cores have been a dumpster fire lately, and they had to basically reinvent the company in 5 years
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:36 PM
Only Lenovo, out of the big three, do premium AMD laptops.
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squanchy 🥗
Unfortunately Dell and HP both still gimp their AMD lineup to keep Intel happy.
no
9:36 PM
it's supply issues
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:36 PM
Supply issues for the APUs? 🤨
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OEMs have all gotten tired of AMD saying we have 30 million socs ready
9:36 PM
and then when time comes
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:36 PM
I'm not talking about dGPUs.
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it's like oops
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squanchy 🥗
Supply issues for the APUs? 🤨
Yes?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:36 PM
clearly intel is doing something right on the hardware side since they've been getting performance improvements driver after driver, something you NEVER see out of AMD or Nvidia, since, save for AMD's troubled history with driver bugs, their driver game generally lets their hardware stretch their legs from the very getgo. it sucks ARC launched in such a bad state, but it's gotten better, and if Intel decides to stick with it beyond Battlemage, it'll quickly become an actual contender next to GeForce and Radeon
9:37 PM
that's why i have hope for battlemage
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clearly intel is doing something right on the hardware side since they've been getting performance improvements driver after driver, something you NEVER see out of AMD or Nvidia, since, save for AMD's troubled history with driver bugs, their driver game generally lets their hardware stretch their legs from the very getgo. it sucks ARC launched in such a bad state, but it's gotten better, and if Intel decides to stick with it beyond Battlemage, it'll quickly become an actual contender next to GeForce and Radeon
intel's first gen is a write-off
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the architecture is broken
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but the key here: it has the building blocks
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AMD is lacking it
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didn't nvidia buy off the smart guy on intel's team
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alchemist seems to generally be not bad, but the software has issues
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Doesn't help that amd is in denial
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They're still banking on rt being a fad
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they have no choice but to accept that RT is here to stay now
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didn't nvidia buy off the smart guy on intel's team
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:38 PM
What about Tom Petersen?
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squanchy 🥗
What about Tom Petersen?
true
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LPhin
they have no choice but to accept that RT is here to stay now
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:38 PM
RDNA3 did increase RT perf. It's just Nvidia increased it much more.
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Also, RT Psycho and Path Tracing exist to help those benches.
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Egdarska
They're still banking on rt being a fad
it's actually joever for them
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squanchy 🥗
Also, RT Psycho and Path Tracing exist to help those benches.
Lel
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:38 PM
Scenes when someone on less than a 4090 tries to enable PT in CP77.
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i'd imagine RDNA4 would be focused around improving RT perf further, though they're still playing catchup
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:39 PM
"Oh yes I play at 1080p on my £1200 GPU, don't you???"
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intel is much closer to nvidia on that front
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Reminds me of intel claiming blender isn't a good benchmark
9:39 PM
Just don't use high settings and amd is fine bro
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:39 PM
It isn't...for gaming. 😎
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oh god, don't start the rt/pt debate again...
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:39 PM
It's the same as with RT.
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People who bought a 2080 Ti in 2020 found, last year, that their GPUs were now obsoluete for RT.
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squanchy 🥗
RDNA3 did increase RT perf. It's just Nvidia increased it much more.
it didn't
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i was on the "RT is a fad and it'll never be good" side until last year
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LPhin
i'd imagine RDNA4 would be focused around improving RT perf further, though they're still playing catchup
It's not catchup at this point, that implies a chance of catching up
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squanchy 🥗
People who bought a 2080 Ti in 2020 found, last year, that their GPUs were now obsoluete for RT.
And amd is obsolete if you bought one now
9:40 PM
I don't see what that point even is
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LPhin
i was on the "RT is a fad and it'll never be good" side until last year
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:41 PM
for me, it was until about 2021 where i went "oh, this RT thing could actually be good long term"
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RT is a fad tbh
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For me it was the moment i saw caustics
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stuff like cyberpunk PT and alan wake 2 sold me on the high end possibilities
9:41 PM
but
9:42 PM
it was DF's video on UE5 games that really sold me on it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:42 PM
it doesn't matter to me today, I'd gladly get even a 7800XT if i could, but someday it will matter, and if AMD doesn't do anything about it they risk giving up their position to Intel of all people
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7800 XT?
9:42 PM
why would you buy RDNA3?
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rt is not a fad it's a technology with uses, just like raster and other render methods
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:42 PM
See there, 7900 XTX is much faster in CP77 RT than the 6900 XT (both $1000 MSRP) Something like 30% faster It's just, the 4090 is about 90% faster with RT vs the 3090.
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why would you buy RDNA3?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:42 PM
because clearly Ada isn't gonna be good under $600 so why bother with that
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:43 PM
Red = RT, no upscaling Green = RT + upscaling Blue = native (edited)
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particularly jusant and talos principle 2 those two really opened my eyes to the potential of RT lighting, even in indie games
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it's almost as if RT apologists were not in denial for years, and there was a reason to be excited
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:44 PM
Nah it's 2024 and besides CP77, who 90% of people played and enjoyed without RT, there isn't really a killer app for RT.
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i always had the opinion that if there was a good example then i'd be convinced
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now there are a good few
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Control, alan wake2
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:44 PM
The only ones I can think of are, ironically, the console Spider-Man games on PS5 and later PC.
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No RT would make the game look much worse.
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hell, even persona 3 reload used RT reflections in a tasteful way
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LPhin
i always had the opinion that if there was a good example then i'd be convinced
the key is that asking for "examples of what RT could" was already a shit take most of us had if we're honest
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:45 PM
Using SSR for all the glass wouldn't be practical.
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Also low key resident evil village, rtgi adds so much to the ambiance
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it's like saying "IDK fam those shadows?? these are a gimmick, back in my day games had no shadows" kind of dumb take
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:45 PM
@LPhin you didn't miss out. RTX 20 (Turing) aged awfully with RT as expected. All RTX 30 series with 10GB or less also aged terribly.
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the main thing for me is RTGI and RT reflections
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:45 PM
RTX 20-series was honestly a failure because it took until months after the lineup launched for games with actual RT implementations to become available, and Nvidia was banking so hard on RT being the future that early that they literally rebranded it from GTX to RTX. now that there are cards that can do it great, and games that have good implementations of the tech, RT could genuinely become a mainstay.
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RT shadows i don't really give a shit about
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:46 PM
The 3080 10GB for example is a disaster if you enable RT @ 4K and don't have DLSS/FSR available.
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RTX 20 series was an architecturally giant leap
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current shadowing techniques are good enough imo
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AMD hasn't had a Turing moment in 14 years
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:46 PM
It was the same raster price/perf as Pascal @exio4
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exio4
it's like saying "IDK fam those shadows?? these are a gimmick, back in my day games had no shadows" kind of dumb take
shadows are a social construct made by the patriarchy
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squanchy 🥗
It was the same raster price/perf as Pascal @exio4
it wasn't
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exio4
it's like saying "IDK fam those shadows?? these are a gimmick, back in my day games had no shadows" kind of dumb take
same vibe as "generic skybox reflections work fine, why do we need real time accurate reflections" lol
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:46 PM
The 2080 was about 10% faster than the 1080 Ti in raster, for 15% more money - or something like that.
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RTX 20 series was an architecturally giant leap
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:46 PM
"architecture" this, "video encoders" that, that doesn't fucking matter if the promise they were selling people on wasn't gonna be a thing until 4 years and two generations AFTER
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Those are features m8
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RT reflections in games like doom and control almost convinced me but the performance cost made me not give a single shit
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Hiw do they not matter?
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2080 ti outperforms the XTX in blender (edited)
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If you need to encode video on gpu the encoders matter
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in 2024
9:47 PM
sometimes the XTX wins tho
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LotP
same vibe as "generic skybox reflections work fine, why do we need real time accurate reflections" lol
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:47 PM
Note that there isn't anybody who can actually notice the difference between SSR and RT reflections during gameplay except those who are trying to justify buying an RTX GPU.
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again, until fairly recently, where people have shown they can make those effects run good
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the architecture was a massive leap from anything prior to it (edited)
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FP16? INT8?
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squanchy 🥗
Note that there isn't anybody who can actually notice the difference between SSR and RT reflections during gameplay except those who are trying to justify buying an RTX GPU.
oh boy, that's a take
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2060 super has more tensor throughput than the XTX has normal throughput
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As for architecture, try a modern game like alan wake 2 on a pascal card then try it on turing and see if it doesn't matter (edited)
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:48 PM
You know what nobody said before the RTX 20 series? "Oh man I wish I could run my game at half the fps in exchange for more realistic puddles and mirrors."
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exio4
2060 super has more tensor throughput than the XTX has normal throughput
this isn't a joke btw
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squanchy 🥗
Note that there isn't anybody who can actually notice the difference between SSR and RT reflections during gameplay except those who are trying to justify buying an RTX GPU.
i notice it's pretty hard not to notice
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SSR artifacts are probably one of the most noticeable screenspace artifacting you can have
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LPhin
i notice it's pretty hard not to notice
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:48 PM
You're noticing because devs aren't bothering with high-quality SSR anymore.
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squanchy 🥗
Note that there isn't anybody who can actually notice the difference between SSR and RT reflections during gameplay except those who are trying to justify buying an RTX GPU.
What
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squanchy 🥗
You're noticing because devs aren't bothering with high-quality SSR anymore.
????
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SSR is inherently limited to SCREEN SPACE
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:48 PM
Yes
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squanchy 🥗
Note that there isn't anybody who can actually notice the difference between SSR and RT reflections during gameplay except those who are trying to justify buying an RTX GPU.
tfw when looking at a puddle doesn't reflect the building on the other side of the road "it's accurate enough"
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squanchy 🥗
You're noticing because devs aren't bothering with high-quality SSR anymore.
You can't work around ssr limitations
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:49 PM
Ok, now who, in the history of gaming, looked at a puddle in-game and said, "I don't see my character there. Immersion broken". (edited)
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Egdarska
You can't work around ssr limitations
planar reflections should make a come back just so @squanchy 🥗 says "RT reflections are soo efficient"
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I'm ok with using ssr, but that's stupid
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the only time when SSR looks good is when the game's artstyle is designed around the limitations of SSR in the first place
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you need fixed/controlled camera controls too
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LPhin
the only time when SSR looks good is when the game's artstyle is designed around the limitations of SSR in the first place
Static camera sidescrolling games
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unironically
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Egdarska
Static camera sidescrolling games
p3re uses it pretty tastefully
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i like it there
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squanchy 🥗
Ok, now who, in the history of gaming, looked at a puddle in-game and said, "I don't see my character there. Immersion broken". (edited)
who said character? character reflections is a whole nother beast because of how character models often aren't rendered during gameplay at all
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As for architecture, try a modern game like alan wake 2 on a pascal card then try it on turing and see if it doesn't matter (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:50 PM
okay, that does make sense, but honestly, i could care less about how good Turing was compared to Pascal and Maxwell 2 when the actual products the architecture shipped in was sold under the promise of a feature that wasn't available at launch unlike Mesh Shading and great FP16 and video encode/decode performance, and for higher than their equivalent Pascal products.
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RTX 20-series was a failure, even if the actual hardware was great.
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20-series was so much of a failure that AMD hasn't caught up to it
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:50 PM
Any series which has the same price-perf as the previous series is automatically a failure.
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i agree on that though
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i buy on the now, not on the future (edited)
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Turing H265 outperforms RDNA3 AV1
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squanchy 🥗
Any series which has the same price-perf as the previous series is automatically a failure.
agreed
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RDNA3 AV1 is also broken
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1082p 👍
9:51 PM
forever broken
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exio4
20-series was so much of a failure that AMD hasn't caught up to it
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:51 PM
Given how much Turing struggles with modern titles when you enable RT, nah.
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But yes there are still people who cling onto their RTX 2060s, because Nvidia told them it'd be future-proof for ray tracing.
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20 series can DLSS to this day
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at the time turing launched it barely performed better than pascal but now, when games can actually leverage the things turing is capable of, it can do better
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somebody on a 2060 can play at 1440p + DLSS and get better anti-aliasing than the XTX can
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it needed fine-wine yes
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:52 PM
That doesn't make sense, because the XTX is multiples faster.
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squanchy 🥗
That doesn't make sense, because the XTX is multiples faster.
that's the joke.
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:52 PM
See, this is exactly what I mean.
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People still defend an obsolete 6GB card because of the Nvidia logo.
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AMD is losing a game that could be rigged in their favor
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squanchy 🥗
People still defend an obsolete 6GB card because of the Nvidia logo.
no, the 2060 is a shit card
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2070 / 2060 super are the lowest-end rtx cards i even care about
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:53 PM
So were all RTX 20 GPUs @exio4 except the 2080 Ti.
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8gb of vram 🔥
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:53 PM
Its 11GB of RAM meant it aged better at higher resolutions, especially with RT enabled.
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but, 2080 Ti to THIS DAY has more actual pure RT grunt than the XTX
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squanchy 🥗
So were all RTX 20 GPUs @exio4 except the 2080 Ti.
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:54 PM
(even then the 2080 Ti was like $400 more expensive than the 1080 Ti for like 30% raster improvement, if that)
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:54 PM
Blonder
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if you do 3D rendering, AMD hasn't caught up to Turing
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2018, 5-6 years
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RDNA4 is supposedly iterative
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 9:56 PM
AMD isn't that great in productivity because so much relies on NVIDIA focused technologies: CUDA, OptiX; as well as things that are historically better on Nvidia than on AMD, like NVENC/NVDEC
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so we're waiting for RDNA5 to be the final card that can, yes, in funny benchmarks, outperform the 2080 Ti decisively
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Bruh i forgot turing was that old
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I keep thinking it's like 2021 or something because of how it hangs out with current amd cards
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:57 PM
Hangs out in what?
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LukeTheVideoGamer
AMD isn't that great in productivity because so much relies on NVIDIA focused technologies: CUDA, OptiX; as well as things that are historically better on Nvidia than on AMD, like NVENC/NVDEC
the ecosystem "uses NVIDIA" because it's stupid to not do so
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:57 PM
RDNA2 was much faster than Turing for gaming, let alone RDNA3.
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NVIDIA has spent a fuckton of money in their compute stack
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squanchy 🥗
Hangs out in what?
General use
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:58 PM
They've spent a fuckton developing middleware which requires their latest-gen GPUs, and have made it easy for devs to adopt that middleware (eventually).
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I need to use compute and path tracing
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squanchy 🥗
They've spent a fuckton developing middleware which requires their latest-gen GPUs, and have made it easy for devs to adopt that middleware (eventually).
No, cuda works on old cards
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:58 PM
Until the advent of the UE4 plugin, DLSS was a nightmare for devs.
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You had to share source with Nvidia lol.
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NVIDIA just goes Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger™️ than any competitor, it's like being angry that your MIPS router can't run programs
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You will get a better experience in blender with an old ass pascal card than you will with s 7900xtx
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 9:59 PM
Meanwhile you had no idea how the DLSS libraries actually worked. Black box. You had to rely on Nvidia to help you optimise.
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Optix yo
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squanchy 🥗
They've spent a fuckton developing middleware which requires their latest-gen GPUs, and have made it easy for devs to adopt that middleware (eventually).
which features?
9:59 PM
I am on a Turing GPU - all the features the hardware support... just work, even with modern stack, I can use Stable Diffusion optimizations as long as I stay within the supported types of my tensor cores
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Ampere added BF16
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so that is just, .. the hardware lacks that type, I need to use FP16
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squanchy 🥗
Meanwhile you had no idea how the DLSS libraries actually worked. Black box. You had to rely on Nvidia to help you optimise.
this is less a problem then you think, hardware vendors frequently do this, not just for dlss but optimizating games in general
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which, FWIW, on Turing goes hard, 2060 outperforms the 1080 Ti in that regard, it's a major architectural leap; and if you can afford inferencing with smaller types.... with Tensor you get a boost where 2080 Ti outperforms the XTX in pure funny level compute
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Also amd always had their own middleware solutions
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They were uh
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There
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:02 PM
if you have a use or a need for something that the competition cannot do, then A: Good for you! keep on trucking with those products, and B: that's not good, since that means that an effective monopoly is being created!
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So the competition should stop sleeping and compete
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everybody here wants AMD to compete
10:03 PM
the problem is that they don't
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I'm tired of amd fanboys playing victim
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AMD here is not even trying to play catch-up
10:03 PM
they don't seem to care?
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Like i eaid I've been waiting for amd to make a gpu worth buying for a while (edited)
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like, regarding Tensor™️ - AMD has designed units for that, on a hardware level
10:03 PM
CDNA does have these
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but AMD doesn't ship mini versions of it on client
10:04 PM
RDNA more lika MIA
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:05 PM
and like, regardless of even that, brand loyalty is just plain stupid, and these are gaming brands as well, so half the people buying a Radeon or a GeForce aren't buying it because of muh Stable Diffusion or whatever the fuck, they're buying it to play Palworld or Starfield. I also want AMD (and with Intel in the game again, them too) to get off their asses and make a product that can do productivity good too, regardless of OptiX or NVENC's traditional stranglehold on 3D rendering and video production, and personally i think both "these are gaming cards that are branded towards playing video games and not doing AI workloads" and "companies other than Nvidia needs to up their productivity performance game if they wanna truly compete" can be true statements
10:06 PM
overall, this shit wacky, buy what works for you in the present for your needs, regardless of the brand. if that happens to be an RTX 2080 Ti or an ARC A770, go for it!
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I don't mind AMD gpus if they were priced based off where they belong
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7800 XT is a 4060 competitor, for example
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 10:08 PM
The 4060 is a xx50 successor.
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that's the joke @squanchy 🥗
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 10:08 PM
The 7800 XT is probably too cheap, but they have to make up for their lack of mindshare.
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7800 XT "too cheap"
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 10:09 PM
16GB GPU which will run rings around the 4070 in a year's time lol.
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it's like 3% better perf/$ than a 4070 Super
10:09 PM
lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:09 PM
for me, my needs are "i want something that can give me good performance in the games i currently play, and perhaps do a little bit of light screen recording and local video playback too, nothing too serious", and for what it's worth, anything from an RX 6600 up to the 7800 XT would work just fine for me.
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 10:09 PM
The 4070 12GB will be the new 3080 10GB.
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"Just run your games at 1080p bro"
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LukeTheVideoGamer
for me, my needs are "i want something that can give me good performance in the games i currently play, and perhaps do a little bit of light screen recording and local video playback too, nothing too serious", and for what it's worth, anything from an RX 6600 up to the 7800 XT would work just fine for me.
screen recording is "advanced shit"
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nvidia is right there for you, with working encoders
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 10:10 PM
Nvidia's overlay is actually the worst in industry.
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AMD, on the other hand, can't record 1080p
10:10 PM
so, like. Isaid
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:10 PM
personally as long as i can make out the three blocks that represent an enemy in my recording, it's good enough for me :)
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that's the thing
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1920x1080 is not possible on AMD (with AV1) (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:10 PM
ok
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their hardware block is broken, it does 1920x1082
10:11 PM
the joke is that it is so broken you actually can't do 1080p streams
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:11 PM
it's not like i even do it that often anyway, i just record clips of some neat kills in fortnite
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:12 PM
im not a 3D modeller, im not a video editor, im not a professional, i just want to play video games and god dammit Radeon can do that good enough for my tastes!
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2080 Ti has more INT8 throughput than the XTX
10:12 PM
in fact, the 2060 Super has more INT8 throughput than the XTX
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:12 PM
what the fuck even is "INT8" you AI geek
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LukeTheVideoGamer
what the fuck even is "INT8" you AI geek
when you do AI, you can decide to lower the quality of the model for speed, memory savings, optimization (this only gets 2% worse per layer, but we can fit twice as many so it is overall better), etc
10:13 PM
the funny? this is why NPUs are viable
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:14 PM
i don't model, i don't use AI (i actually really fucking hate generative AI like stable diffusion so I'd never get a GeForce just for that), i just play video games.
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because they just spam INT cores, for very cheap, which means even things like blurring a background, etc are just better
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i don't model, i don't use AI (i actually really fucking hate generative AI like stable diffusion so I'd never get a GeForce just for that), i just play video games.
do you own any modern apple device
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:14 PM
the newest one i have is an iPhone from 2016
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alright, you should still have some AI on it, but not sure which
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not accelerated tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:15 PM
im aware of how useful AI can be, i use the goddamn "AI phone" for fucks sake i use a Pixel 8! but i don't like generative AI, and i sure as hell don't use it on my desktop
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AI phones are the iphones
10:15 PM
Google is incompetent at making products, their R&D is gud tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:16 PM
i dunno, im liking my Pixel 8 well enough as a product, regardless of the AI crap that i don't like, they're easy enough to avoid though
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but regardless, for what i do on my home computer, which is browse the internet, play games, and chat on Discord, and occasionally, if i feel like it, record a quick clip to send in a chat (if i really do feel like it), for my needs, even an RX 6600 will be good enough
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:18 PM
this isn't that hard to wrap ur head around i buy a product for what i know it can do for what I like to do, not for what i might occasionally every once in a while do that my phone can already do just fine enough
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I have recommended the RX 6600 multiple times
10:19 PM
I can understand there are reasons to pick a Radeon card
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but some people like @squanchy 🥗 refuse to accept they're just a plain inferior product
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:20 PM
and sure, RDNA3 sucks! it isn't that good compared to both their own previous products, as well as Nvidia's current architecture! but for what I MYSELF would like to do, they're serviceable enough, "inferiority to other products" aside
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RDNA3 is awesome
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it is so bad it made me wish AMD fucking never launched it
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bulldozer 2.0
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It's kind of impressive to make your new product an ad for the previous one
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:21 PM
exactly that's why i tell people to buy Ampere instead of Ada
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Ampere is worse than Ada
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Ampere has shit VRAM buffers
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:21 PM
3% improvement in some games on RTX 4060 vs RTX 3060
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LukeTheVideoGamer
exactly that's why i tell people to buy Ampere instead of Ada
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exio4
it is so bad it made me wish AMD fucking never launched it
Bruh, imagine a world where the steam deck was put together later than it was and it's rdna3
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:23 PM
RTX 4090 is being scalped to hell and back, RTX 4080 Super is still overpriced (all cards above $600 are imo), and really the only one with any actual future is the RTX 4070 Super, which will still be sunsetted earlier by consumers because it has 12GB of VRAM compared to the 16GB it should've had even before the Super launched.
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a big reason the number is so low is that the 4060 was struggling for vram; if it doesn't, it is quite faster; 3060's 12G being a mood there 4060 Ti outperforms the 3070 at 1080p in anything demanding enough you care about GPU performance; and 4060 Ti 16G is bandwidth cringe but
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4060 Ti getting outperformed by the 3060 Ti is technically true, if you crank resolution
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but NVIDIA offers the magic trick called DLSS
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Everyone knows you buy a 60 class gpu for 4k gaming
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and it's a 60 series class
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Egdarska
Everyone knows you buy a 60 class gpu for 4k gaming
I mean, even if you do
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DLSS Performance, at 4K
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a big reason the number is so low is that the 4060 was struggling for vram; if it doesn't, it is quite faster; 3060's 12G being a mood there 4060 Ti outperforms the 3070 at 1080p in anything demanding enough you care about GPU performance; and 4060 Ti 16G is bandwidth cringe but
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:24 PM
okay. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB vs RTX 3060 Ti 8GB. in games where 3060 Ti is starved for VRAM, the 4060 Ti clearly comes out on top. in all other scenarios however the 3060 Ti is like 5% better, if that.
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is better than 1080p visuals
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True
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LukeTheVideoGamer
okay. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB vs RTX 3060 Ti 8GB. in games where 3060 Ti is starved for VRAM, the 4060 Ti clearly comes out on top. in all other scenarios however the 3060 Ti is like 5% better, if that.
it isn't
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:25 PM
sorry, 5% worse, Freudian slip
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squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 10:25 PM
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:25 PM
get his ass squanchy
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i can trivially find a 15%+ improvement over the 3060 Ti (edited)
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this is raster
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I can always be funny and bring raytracing benchmarks, of course
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where Ada is a massive leap
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i can trivially find a 15%+ improvement over the 3060 Ti (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:26 PM
ok what's the VRAM usage on the 8GB cards and what was the build of the game they were using
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LukeTheVideoGamer
ok what's the VRAM usage on the 8GB cards and what was the build of the game they were using
Despite our fondness for the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti, we can admit that just 8GB of VRAM is not enough for a $400 GPU in mid-2023. So...
10:26 PM
this is the latest build at the time of release of the gpu
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:26 PM
because the 4060 Ti 8GB is MATCHING the 3060 Ti, and TLoUP1 on PC wasn't a very good PC port.
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because the 4060 Ti 8GB is MATCHING the 3060 Ti, and TLoUP1 on PC wasn't a very good PC port.
yeah, almost as if you're getting where I am going with the image
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that the 4060 Ti doesn't really get worse than the 3060 Ti, uses half the power, etc, and the 16G model can offer (if you leverage the feature set™️) 3070+ performance
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4060 Ti for $429-449 where it was a few times is a fine card
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$499 is cringe cuz you're too close to better gpus there
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just spend more money
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lol
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nvidia moment 👍
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11+ faster than the 3070 here
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11%*
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22% over the 3060 Ti
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funny numbers
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:29 PM
it's a "better" card, but i am not going to sugarcoat it: it shouldn't have existed, not at $500 at launch, and not even at nearly $430 like it seems to stand at now. if it truly wants better price to performance compared to 3060 Ti, it needs to be lower still, and imo, the entire stack does too
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's a "better" card, but i am not going to sugarcoat it: it shouldn't have existed, not at $500 at launch, and not even at nearly $430 like it seems to stand at now. if it truly wants better price to performance compared to 3060 Ti, it needs to be lower still, and imo, the entire stack does too
?
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I'm not saying the cards are some massive leap in price to performance or whatever
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11+ faster than the 3070 here
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:30 PM
(the Extreme preset also enables RT and Ada is actually a significant improvement in that department compared to Ampere no matter the tier)
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wait, they changed that?
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when did they do it
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Extreme didn't enable RT in game for me not long ago meow
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you had to manually enable it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:31 PM
at least, im pretty sure it does on RT capable cards
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it enabled RT in forza vista
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not in-game
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for me
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:31 PM
ah that mighta been it, my bad i'll admit that fault
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the game didn't even launch with RT in-game
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i am curious now
10:32 PM
i'm not on the w*n pc rn
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:32 PM
i just don't think the 40-series has very many actually good products, even if the silicon is great
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the only card that has any woes is the 4060
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:32 PM
but, that's more a problem with Nvidia overpricing and underdelivering than the actual products themselves, or Ada itself.
10:33 PM
i would rather go for a used 30-series card if i could at any price point under $600 though
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3060 Ti => 4060 Ti 8/16G 3070 Ti => 4070 / 4070 Super (more VRAM than the 3080 10G, if you wanna vibe that way) 3090 performance => 4070 Super / 4070 Ti
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i would rather go for a used 30-series card if i could at any price point under $600 though
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:33 PM
that's just me tho!
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and they did this with half the power consumption
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and working power management
10:35 PM
"NVIDIA can offer 3.5 times the performance per watt" should not be a statement that can be said in this day and age
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this is Bulldozer again
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:35 PM
Turing was great but i think RTX 20-series was a failure. Ampere was technologically better but also worse in a multitude of areas compared to Turing, but RTX 30-series, once you got past the scalper bullshit, was honestly pretty great! 40-series, to me, is more along the lines of 20-series, if not as bad.
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Pascal - Good Turing - Alright Ampere - Cringe Ada - Good
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my take
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Pascal is Maxwell's Ampere
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but with good VRAM
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Ampere offered performance / $ at the expense of balance
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:36 PM
Ada Lovelace is by no means bad, it's extremely good! I just don't think the actual products it's in, at least consumer-facing ones like the GeForce brand, are good.
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it's kinda like AMD with raster
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AMD offers good VRAM per tier
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you don't get a working GPU tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:36 PM
(in your experience)
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pyrrhic victory
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:37 PM
that's also a very tricky thing, I've heard people with absolutely zero issues daily driving Radeon, and others that have had a worse time than Intel ARC users.
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(in your experience)
they objectively have a broken encoder, their software stack is so bad I have seen plenty of people sell their XTX at massive losses and buy a 4080
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"it might be slow, but I heard it works, and the VRAM seems neat for the price"
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I know plenty that bought sim racing rigs with their XTXs and got burned
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for MONTHS while AMD couldn't fix their VR driver
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AMD is incompetent, if not complacent
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AMD had GCN - they had a compute-first GPU architecture they ditched with RDNA
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in the era of GPU compete becoming the key
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they did a Bulldozer
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RDNA is just a bet they took, and they lost architecturally
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that's also a very tricky thing, I've heard people with absolutely zero issues daily driving Radeon, and others that have had a worse time than Intel ARC users.
If you try to do something like ai or compute or even recording at high resolutions amd will be a trainwreck, worse than intel
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BUT I ONLY GAME BRO
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recording at high resolutions meaning 1440p
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and 1080p is broken on AV1 (edited)
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👍
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I also only game but holy shit I need to record my screen for basic stuff like reporting bugs, and my amd card does a horrible job lol
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yeah, NVENC is also like 10x faster in the high-end when you nerf it hard to match AMD quality
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while the AMD encoder is dying
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have to use the cpu instead
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If you try to do something like ai or compute or even recording at high resolutions amd will be a trainwreck, worse than intel
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:41 PM
which is perfectly understandable and good reasons to go for a product that can do it! for me? i don't really mind all that much, i just see funny number go up for lower price compared to other product and go "oh i want that one"
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gamers buying CPUs for gaming via their cinebench numbers:
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What number is that, vram?
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i've heard of that btw
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:42 PM
i don't have qualms with the product if it's GOOD, and Nvidia hasn't really offered that this generation
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i don't have qualms with the product if it's GOOD, and Nvidia hasn't really offered that this generation
that's the trick
10:42 PM
we don't think nvidia is "absolutely good"
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It doesn't have to be good, just better than dogshit
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they are just the only realistic choice because the competitors are broken
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Ada does please my efficiency kink tho
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but that's personal
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Took long enough
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:44 PM
realistic choice for WHO??????? for WHO is it realistic for? for me? NO! for productivity users? SURE YEAH WHATEVER DUDE
10:44 PM
god you're actually pissing me off
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if you're european
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:44 PM
or maybe im pissing myself off, at this point it's hard to tell
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AMD is automatically disqualified
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:45 PM
and im not im american
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(power consumption makes them more expensive) (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:45 PM
sadly
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also, for gaming
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do you care about image quality at all
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do you care about.. input lag? latency?
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or is the key here "it boots"
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:45 PM
is this another "DLSS is better than FSR" thing cuz i don't fucking care
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but I might point out that if you have a Freesync Premium Pro display
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do not buy AMD
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exio4
or is the key here "it boots"
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:46 PM
all games will suck on all GPUs given enough criteria it has to meet
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but I might point out that if you have a Freesync Premium Pro display
Lol forgot about that
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RDNA3: * AMF/encoders being extremely bad quality (been a thing for a while)
=> this relates to VR as well, as Quest VR will be using those encoders! * ReLive turning itself off on any DRM'd content being around, and struggling to come back online * AMF cannot record in HDR? [not sure on this] * AV1 cannot encode 1920x1080, 1082p moment (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/9185#note_1954937) * games w/ TAA will look worse than if you had used DLAA/DLSS (depending on the resolution) => FSR2 is falling behind, as it gets rare updates * FSR3 frametimes are still not great (just "usable" now) * unusable software stack for compute => the whole ROCm suite is linux only, you have bits of compute available from Windows => ROCm is a mess to get working, and code might not work well still - and if it does work, severely underperform * underwhelming _compute_ performance _even if you optimize_ * underwhelming RT performance * subpar VR performance * broken power management on RDNA3 (https://youtu.be/HznATcpWldo?si=rpnXXLAupP0uEeKb&t=176)
=> plus potential high power consumption with a few monitors
=> plus potential high power consumption with video playback * limited hardware handling of issues on userspace code (driver timeouts go brr) [T1] * HDR1000 is broken on AMD (works on NVIDIA) / Freesync Premium Pro extras * Reflex (Maxwell and up) * NVIDIA's Video Super Resolution + AutoHDR for Videos * RTX Broadcast [actually usable noise cancellation, etc] * long-term driver support (Maxwell just received the new twitch multi-stream feature) * DLSS 3.5 / Ray Reconstruction - better RT visuals * RTX Remix (modding tools to make path traced remasters of games) potential issues * adrenaline suite will reset OC/fan curve on driver timeout (related to [T1], this is fine conceptually - if driver timeouts weren't easily triggered) * it might forget OC/fan curve randomly anyways * Windows might get confused, if you have an RDNA2 IGP from AMD (like Zen4 chips do!), and consider your XTX and IGP both “performance” and “power saving” (So it is not easy to have some workloads work on either on demand) "old" issues: * VR was unusable/unplayable at launch (https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/) * power consumption on idle has been improving, from roughly 7+ months after launch, still not great though (edited)
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RDNA3: * AMF/encoders being extremely bad quality (been a thing for a while)
=> this relates to VR as well, as Quest VR will be using those encoders! * ReLive turning itself off on any DRM'd content being around, and struggling to come back online * AMF cannot record in HDR? [not sure on this] * AV1 cannot encode 1920x1080, 1082p moment (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/9185#note_1954937) * games w/ TAA will look worse than if you had used DLAA/DLSS (depending on the resolution) => FSR2 is falling behind, as it gets rare updates * FSR3 frametimes are still not great (just "usable" now) * unusable software stack for compute => the whole ROCm suite is linux only, you have bits of compute available from Windows => ROCm is a mess to get working, and code might not work well still - and if it does work, severely underperform * underwhelming _compute_ performance _even if you optimize_ * underwhelming RT performance * subpar VR performance * broken power management on RDNA3 (https://youtu.be/HznATcpWldo?si=rpnXXLAupP0uEeKb&t=176)
=> plus potential high power consumption with a few monitors
=> plus potential high power consumption with video playback * limited hardware handling of issues on userspace code (driver timeouts go brr) [T1] * HDR1000 is broken on AMD (works on NVIDIA) / Freesync Premium Pro extras * Reflex (Maxwell and up) * NVIDIA's Video Super Resolution + AutoHDR for Videos * RTX Broadcast [actually usable noise cancellation, etc] * long-term driver support (Maxwell just received the new twitch multi-stream feature) * DLSS 3.5 / Ray Reconstruction - better RT visuals * RTX Remix (modding tools to make path traced remasters of games) potential issues * adrenaline suite will reset OC/fan curve on driver timeout (related to [T1], this is fine conceptually - if driver timeouts weren't easily triggered) * it might forget OC/fan curve randomly anyways * Windows might get confused, if you have an RDNA2 IGP from AMD (like Zen4 chips do!), and consider your XTX and IGP both “performance” and “power saving” (So it is not easy to have some workloads work on either on demand) "old" issues: * VR was unusable/unplayable at launch (https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/) * power consumption on idle has been improving, from roughly 7+ months after launch, still not great though (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:47 PM
ok dude
10:47 PM
i don't fucking??? care?????
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ok, so why are you even buying a GPU?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:47 PM
"Nvidia has good features" big fucking deal
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buy an xbox series S
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for $150
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or $100
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it's gonna be better value at "it runs games tho" than any GPU made by NVIDIA or AMD for the next 5 years
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:48 PM
"power consumption is better!" im american, that only matters to me if i pair it with a fucking 550W power supply
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american doesn't automatically disqualifies you
10:48 PM
some places have to pay ok prices for electricity, even something like $0.15-0.2 per kWh is enough to make them worse
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europeans at their $0.5-$0.8 just see it happen within a year
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:49 PM
all i am fucking trying to say is that it does not fucking matter to me. plus, im a tinkerer at heart, if a game crashes, i'll fucking devote the next 12 hours of my life to trying to get it to work.
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ok so buy Arc
10:49 PM
literally
10:49 PM
they offer 3070 hardware for $200
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damn this debate still isn't over yet somehow
This 1
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:50 PM
i would, if there wasn't that funky lil thing with Resizable BAR (curse you, AMD FX-6300 system i still put up with somehow)
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LPhin
damn this debate still isn't over yet somehow
This one isn' near the longest btw
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you're still using your FX-6300?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:50 PM
it's the only system i have that i can actually put a good GPU in i can't exactly do that with an iMac
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my grandpa is on a FX-6100
10:51 PM
i need to upgrade him
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i underclocked the FX-6100 and disabled an extra module
10:51 PM
so it doesn't user 269W
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exio4
i underclocked the FX-6100 and disabled an extra module
Bruh
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's the only system i have that i can actually put a good GPU in i can't exactly do that with an iMac
can that cpu even saturate a pascal gpu?
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Egdarska
Bruh
im broke bro
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i would, if there wasn't that funky lil thing with Resizable BAR (curse you, AMD FX-6300 system i still put up with somehow)
Get those cheap X99 combos for 60 usd, they will give a much much more usable hardware and some also support resizable bar
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can that cpu even saturate a pascal gpu?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:51 PM
it can barely keep up with the 1650 i have in it, to say the least
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(though there ARE some games where im GPU bottlenecked and not CPU... the problem is that i can count them on one hand)
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also, if you are buying hardware
10:53 PM
for the intent of keeping it for a decade
10:53 PM
why is AMD an option? they drop drivers
10:53 PM
lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:53 PM
unofficial drivers
10:53 PM
RX 580 is still like 8 years old, and while official drivers aren't supported anymore it still has unofficial ones
10:53 PM
can't do that with Nvidia!
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exio4
why is AMD an option? they drop drivers
Thank god mesa exists for me btw
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LukeTheVideoGamer
can't do that with Nvidia!
NVIDIA doesn't drop 8 year old GPUs off their stack
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exio4
why is AMD an option? they drop drivers
On current gpus lel
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:54 PM
yeah, instead they drop 9 year old ones
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LukeTheVideoGamer
yeah, instead they drop 9 year old ones
no?
10:55 PM
Check end-of-life, release policy and support schedule for NVIDIA GPUs.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
yeah, instead they drop 9 year old ones
Amd is selling igpus they will stop supporting this year
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Egdarska
Amd is selling igpus they will stop supporting this year
they already stopped mainline support
10:55 PM
last year
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Egdarska
Amd is selling igpus they will stop supporting this year
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/19/2024 10:55 PM
k
10:56 PM
Maxwell got Reflex in 2021
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iirc
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iirc for kepler the nouveau drivers are 'good'
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the key here is that you still get security support
10:57 PM
they dropped feature support
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nvk should make opensource support for nvidia gpus better
10:57 PM
but for now nvk only supports, what, turing and up?
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LPhin
nvk should make opensource support for nvidia gpus better
nvk is also getting very good, but it is for RTX2000 and newer gpus
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yeah, the maxwell/pascal cards might get cursed with reverse engineering stuff, but I fully expect Turing and newer to go the way of normal GPUs
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And also the 16xx gpus
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But yeah soon enough nvidia cards with nvk will be better than amd cards with mesa lol
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oh right
10:58 PM
i forgor about 16 series
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weird neutered turing
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and you take the L by giving up DLSS
10:59 PM
get fsr2'd
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It's a good thing amd only has a marginal market share
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turing is gonna be 6 years old less than 5 months
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Can you imagine the shitstorm if nvidia said sorry bro we're not supporting your 3090 anymore
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and it uh
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got Video Super Resolution optimized purposefully for it (after launch)
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It's too old, but we'll still sell it to you tho
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is Turing the first GPU to get actual software finewine? as in
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AMD was Arc-tier finewine + games started leveraging features, like Turing
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Nintendo about to release an 8nm console in 2025
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fitting twitter username lol
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kepler is a known leaker though he's... unreliable?
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but if you picked a Turing GPU "as your 6-8 year GPU", you've went through:
  • DLSS2
  • Reflex
  • NVENC beating AMD for the whole time in quality
  • compute stack being ahead, etc
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meow
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LPhin
fresh round of switch 2 rumors again https://twitter.com/Kepler_L2/status/1758583764710465712
samsung 8nm 😔
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if it was tsmc 7nm itd be fine
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but samsung 8nm, we've got known what that does to a mf
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some people are on copium and claiming that samsung 8n would be "too big" and "too inefficient" for a switch 2
11:07 PM
but
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knowing nintendo
11:07 PM
they're doing this cuz it's cheap xd
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Lel
11:09 PM
A nintendo handheld has better encoders than the flagship amd card (edited)
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Egdarska
A nintendo handheld has better encoders than the flagship amd card (edited)
i mean, phones…
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Nintendo handheld hurts more
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ok you are right lmao
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Because it's something a phone can emulate
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My nvme ssd has had 84M written since the last 5 hours, great!
11:15 PM
is that good? are you trying to reduce swap usage?
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I don't have swap on disk
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damn living raw
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exio4
is that good? are you trying to reduce swap usage?
Yes very good
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You don't need swap on disk with zram
11:16 PM
once you spin asashi on the mac you will see how good it is
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I challenge you to try to ge the OOM to trigger with a ram * 2 zram with zstd compression
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I recently moved a lot of stuff to tmpfs, I now build programs and everything on mem, peak ram usage is about 4 GiB lol
11:17 PM
i only have 32gb of ram lol
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MacOS on the other hand was hammering the ssds of the m1 on release, I don't know if they ever fixed that
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exio4
i only have 32gb of ram lol
I have 16
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Samueru
MacOS on the other hand was hammering the ssds of the m1 on release, I don't know if they ever fixed that
no but yes
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You might wanna check how much your ssd gets written over time
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iotop-c can report that info
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can it work on macos?
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20 days uptime
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it's very little
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1.41TB in 20 days?
11:21 PM
I regularly hit swap
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mmm that's average
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32GB of RAM means macOS refuses to use swap
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"as much"
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It should not be swapping at all really
11:21 PM
swap is good lol
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I know, but doesn't mac have compressed memory?
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if the OS is smart enough to know something is not needed now (e.g. Spotlight) - why bother spending memory keeping it fully in memory, even if heavily compressed
11:22 PM
when I do cmd+space it comes within a frame either way
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Samueru
I know, but doesn't mac have compressed memory?
it does
11:23 PM
and it has multiple tiers
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exio4
if the OS is smart enough to know something is not needed now (e.g. Spotlight) - why bother spending memory keeping it fully in memory, even if heavily compressed
That should only be done if you are at risk of running out of mem
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fast compression, slow compression
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it if swaps it out just because, it is just going to waste energy and ssd life, very little but a waste regardless
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it doesn't waste energy
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writting to the ssd does use energy
11:24 PM
iirc this is why android now only uses zram as well
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yeah, but so does reading it for would-be-cached files (edited)
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some preemptive swap w/ I/O throttling is the standard macOS behavior iirc
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decompression also requires firing up p-cores, while compressing something over a second or two can just.. be done on the e-core
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e-cores are like 5x better at compression in energy consumption
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they are slow, so the OS should do that ahead of time
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I'm not sure how smart macOS is on that regard though, but I know it tries to keep almost all of the OS locked to the e-cores
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Samueru
iirc this is why android now only uses zram as well
androids also have to put up with much slower flash
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like all phones really, but androids specifically get double cucked
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Nah, the reality is that your memory will always be orders of magnitude faster than any ssd in random io
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but memory is very scarce
11:28 PM
it's all about tradeoffs
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you're talking about as if normal memory was always available
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I upgraded to 48GB from 32GB on my desktop because Windows is really bad at memory management and it needed some help
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run blender, push the memory pressure to 28GB in that case, and the OS dies
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That's zram exio
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booted with 4GIB mem only
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Windows is horrible on ram usage
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I've seen people that say that their 32GB swap fills to max on totk lol
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what is zram using for compression? lol
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zstd
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that's impressive
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It usually has a 1/4 to 1/3 compression ratio
11:32 PM
That shit is the download more ram mem being true
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yeah memory is usually very easily compressed
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meme*
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but uh
11:32 PM
you can't compress RAM you're currently using
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zstd can decompress at like 2GiB/s
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yeah that's slower than a SSD in throughput
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depending on the workload it can even be faster than lz4 at decompression
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(i know latency will be pretty good)
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and also the high compression ratio leaves more usable mem available
11:34 PM
there are some benchmarks on this
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does zram dynamically choose the compression ratios?
11:34 PM
based on memory pressure
11:34 PM
if so that'd be awesome
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exio4
does zram dynamically choose the compression ratios?
No, the compression ratio is determined by what zstd does
11:35 PM
if the data compresses good, then you have a good compression ratio
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I know.. I mean the tradeoff you pick
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what gets swapped is determine by the swappiness in the kernel
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which with zram it is actually recommended to keep the swappiness high
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Apple has multiple tiers it chooses from based on memory pressure
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if you have lots of memory available, it'll use a much faster/power efficient/etc algorithm that I can't remember the name of
11:36 PM
but has shit compression ratios
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no, something evenv worse
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I hope they not using lzo
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that can do like 100GB/s
11:37 PM
iirc
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Just use 4 ssds in raid 0 as swap
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it's meant to be a "why don't we compress just in case, it'll be fast anyway"
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Egdarska
Just use 4 ssds in raid 0 as swap
will still be slower than ddr3 in random io
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raid 0 is cringe
11:38 PM
uhh
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Muh throughput
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25208357 this nerd seems to suggest the hybrid mode is ARM exclusive
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I also believe this is the case.Most experiment with 8GB M1 Macs I've seen so far (on YouTube) seems to start slowing down once the data cannot fit in a RAM, although the rest of the system remain responsive e.g. 8K RED RAW editing test. In the same test with 4K RED RAW there were some shuttering on the first playback but subsequent playback wer...
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and uses LZ4
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LZ4 is good, just that the compression ratio is usually 1/2 instead
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iirc zstd is made by the same person that made lz4
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Mac needs all the compression it can get because of the scam ram amounts
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Egdarska
Mac needs all the compression it can get because of the scam ram amounts
And it loooks like the defaults are not that great
11:40 PM
@exio4 stop being a macos shill and put asashi with zram to its limits
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Contribute to apple-oss-distributions/xnu development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Samueru
@exio4 stop being a macos shill and put asashi with zram to its limits
fite me
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Linux on Mac
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I just want you to try to get the OOM to trigger on asashi
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i will use asahi eventually
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How to be insufferable twice at once (edited)
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triggering OOM is nearly impossible on modern systems lol
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Egdarska
How to be insufferable twice at once (edited)
opengl is already better on asashi
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exio4
triggering OOM is nearly impossible on modern systems lol
limit your available memory to 8gb then
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It's nonexistent on mac tho
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Samueru
limit your available memory to 8gb then
even then
11:42 PM
I had macOS on my 2013 intel m*c with 8GB
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But what were doing?
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I don't even know what asahi is, I'm just shit-flinging
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Try to play a game and compile chromium in the background then
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Egdarska
I don't even know what asahi is, I'm just shit-flinging
Linux for the arm macs
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a few docker VMs with 2/3GB ram each, VS Code with typescript shit, spotify with music non-stop
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Literally I'm getting paid to poop at work (edited)
11:43 PM
Remember, don't poop at home, get paid
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i work from home
11:43 PM
😔
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Sad
11:44 PM
Poop on the clock
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Not literally
11:44 PM
Or is it like a contractor thing?
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exio4
a few docker VMs with 2/3GB ram each, VS Code with typescript shit, spotify with music non-stop
@Samueru it did use swap - but I actually only got OOM to trigger in the dual core mobile haswell when I fucked up and opened a cringe ass blender project
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Egdarska
Or is it like a contractor thing?
sort of
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exio4
@Samueru it did use swap - but I actually only got OOM to trigger in the dual core mobile haswell when I fucked up and opened a cringe ass blender project
do NOT open a blender project with 40+GB of textures with 8GB of RAM
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do not recommend
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Egdarska
Literally I'm getting paid to poop at work (edited)
squanchy 🥗 2/19/2024 11:48 PM
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exio4
do NOT open a blender project with 40+GB of textures with 8GB of RAM
I think it handles it nicer now
11:52 PM
It just slows to a crawl and freezes the system instead of hard crashing
11:53 PM
The real fun is doing the same but using eevee
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eevee is raster
11:58 PM
lol
11:58 PM
no way
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I don't know if they changed it but eevee used to have real issues with going over vram/ram
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Also it's not full raster
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Kinda
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Egdarska
Also it's not full raster
i mean nothing is full raster nowadays
12:20 AM
what is the last gpus that truly did pure rasterization (edited)
12:21 AM
early 90s shit i bet
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What do you count as full raster?
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@exio4 I liked that you can see how much data was written to the disk in macos that I actually went and added that info to fastfetch with a custom script replacing the Uptime part.
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Egdarska
What do you count as full raster?
nothing but rasterizing triangles, sorting/z buffer stuff idk
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Samueru
@exio4 I liked that you can see how much data was written to the disk in macos that I actually went and added that info to fastfetch with a custom script replacing the Uptime part.
wack
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1GB… in 5 hours???
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Yeah, and I did a pacman update in the meantime
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I keep my chromium browser cache in tmpfs and sync the important info back to disk every 5000 seconds
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do you hate using storage
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this is what I use:
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exio4
do you hate using storage
This is the problem of using linux, you start optimizing every little thing xd
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i already went through that phase
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God forbid I don't fall in the Gentoo rabbithole and start making my own kernels
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back in the late 00s early 10s
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custom init scripts which loaded as much as possible with sequential IO off the hard drive
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Ain't nobody got time for that
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to boot faster by doing random I/O off ram
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Yeah, no chance I'm doing all that
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exio4
custom init scripts which loaded as much as possible with sequential IO off the hard drive
I think ZFS would have done this automatically for you
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Samueru
I think ZFS would have done this automatically for you
it was an intel atom netbook
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with 1gb of ram
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I remember the days of messing with linux and spending days trying to get a game to render with no audio
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Now I won't bother with a game if it doesn't immediately work
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i lie if cyberpunk doesn’t boot i will try
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We all have exceptions
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I spent so long getting witcher 3 to look and play like i wanted
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I don't know if I'm stupid or tesla design isn't great but i just realised the inside door button is a top down drawing of the car with a door open and not a 🗿
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Egdarska
I don't know if I'm stupid or tesla design isn't great but i just realised the inside door button is a top down drawing of the car with a door open and not a 🗿
what
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exio4
what
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i dont remember this much if im honest
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also the tesla today had the belt stuck between the seat and the frame because there's a fucking stupid round plastic thing there
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great design elon 👍
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when i got into a model 3
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i lowkey wondered how the fuck they made a $40k car feel $5k with a clean design
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lol
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bruh the doors
5:11 AM
flimsiest fucking things i've handled
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like, it ... looks.? neat, but the feel of everything was trash?
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it's impressive
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yeah
5:11 AM
the cup holder is cheap plastic
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chinesium ios-looking android clone kind of
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inb4 all plastic is cheap
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there's some premium feeling plastic
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you look at some screenshots, it looks fine for a second
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then you check the animations of the phone and go "yeaaa this is not great"
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teslas just feel like knockoff controllers
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same vibe
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actually scratch that, my controller feels nicer
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it's quick tho
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yeah, some of the things they do right are cool
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the whole "hud visualizing everything around you" thing is cool as fuck
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too bad cars pop into existence 2 meters from you
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the ui on the software feels more responsive
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than a lot of cars i've been in
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and i've seen it think a person is a trash can which is kinda worrying
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but the quality also.. seemed much better online?
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it's the amd adrenalin of car software
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also, the ride isn't smooth
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ride felt fine for a $15-25k car
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wannabe sporty
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i think the smoothest i've ridden was a bmw i5
5:15 AM
smoothest electric car
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i've never been on an electric bmw, or a very recent bmw
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it's $15,000 more expensive, realistically like $3,000 more expensive if you want the tesla that isn't barebones
5:16 AM
but it feels like it
5:17 AM
i also prefer the bmw in looks because it's just a car, that happens to be electric
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I would not buy an electric car in today's state
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too many downsides rn at least
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i would but i live in socal
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bmw cars tend to look quite cringe
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especially with Canadian winters
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exio4
bmw cars tend to look quite cringe
cringier than teslas?
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exio4
bmw cars tend to look quite cringe
false
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the m5 series at least
5:19 AM
looks pretty cool (edited)
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i think any car that doesn't look as stupid as the gaming mouse honda civics is already ahead
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lmao wtf
5:21 AM
m3 is also heat (edited)
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__fastcall
Click to see attachment 🖼️
this isnt a real car
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that one's fake but it's a real model
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no car ever made should have that nose
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that one does look too gaming mouse for my taste
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you can cool the battery with the small grills at the bottom
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exio4
this isnt a real car
false
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those vertical middle ones are bmw's "signature" now
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^
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they put them on every car
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yeah they automatically the car look like shit
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bro so angry he a word
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i unironically thik those look worse than a model 3 from the front
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nah
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i can't express how much i hate the tesla grill
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"grill"
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Egdarska
bro so angry he a word
its 3am i slept poorly, for like 6 hours after 50+ hours without sleep
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im not right rn
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Egdarska
i can't express how much i hate the tesla grill
why
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exio4
yeah they automatically the car look like shit
nuh uh
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this is why the meme exists
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exio4
why
idk, i just see one and get mad
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less isn't always more
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just get the electric g wagon instead
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did they change how it looks
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it says brand new but it looks very much the same.. but different?
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it looks kinda diff yeah
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just gonna post the peak of automobile design (edited)
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peak automobile design
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
🤮🤮🤮
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__fastcall
peak automobile design
what car is that
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looks american
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Egdarska
looks american
shocker
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exio4
what car is that
not sure actually
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man why do all SUVs like they're obese cars
5:30 AM
look*
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because that's what they are
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c8 corvette 💪
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this feels like the most "i watched fast and furious and love cars" short ever
5:34 AM
they TAS mathematically perfect drifts
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lmfao
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thinkpad
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of course
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fr
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🤓 alert
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it's stanford mfs
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what would they use, a fucking mac?
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lot of students at Stanford already have their own Vision Pro, and lots of people are trying it out! I’m starting to see that Apple’s seamless connectivity ecosystem is the real game-changer here. The way it works with the MacBook makes it much more likely that people will use it long-term, way more than they would a gaming device! 🧵1/2 Appl...
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meow
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>students
5:37 AM
also, vision pro can do image generation better than amd gpus
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👍
5:38 AM
draw things runs on it i bet
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:38 AM
When I heard on LTT that it requires a Macbook or iphone, I'm thinking that that defeats the purpose of a VR computer. Like you need an iPhone just to order it.
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you can buy one in a store
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without an iphone
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ltt
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they do the face scan there
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also, you don't need a macbook
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it runs programs on its own
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which video is this
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i need to inject myself some misinformation
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ltt told me is one step removed from i saw on reddit
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exio4
which video is this
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:39 AM
WAN Show when he was talking about his experiences with it
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the only thing linus has been 100% correct about was linux being shit as a main system
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you need an iphone to order it because they do a face scan, the fact that Android vendors have been too incompetent and couldnt get face scanners is on them
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Bigscreen Beyond is a PCVR headset... and it requires an iPhone
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:40 AM
I forgot what exactly he said, just remembered that something about it requires a macbook.
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... to scan your face on its webpage at purchase time (edited)
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bruh when is CAT adding lidar to their phones?
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Egdarska
the only thing linus has been 100% correct about was linux being shit as a main system
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:41 AM
I still stand by my statement that Linux is a troll OS and any program that requires command line or editing ini files to change settings is a troll program.
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nah, it's cool for datacenters
5:41 AM
it's just stupid to use it on desktop
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programs requiring a command line is fine lol
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kinda
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not everything needs to be a GUI
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i use ffmpeg with command line, but only because there's no good gui
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like, Apple offers an app to send specific processes to certain maximum QoS
5:42 AM
they could do "more" - but a key there, it's a cli tool
5:42 AM
so I can just script things easily
5:43 AM
it's more power user friendly to allow for composition and CLIs do offer a basic level of composition without being a full blown software engineer
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furiously typing
5:46 AM
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why is discord so slow
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you need to pay discord nitro super ti for fast access
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i'm using like the world's 4th most powerful computer core for web performance and it still stutters????
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:47 AM
LM Studio has presets that you can make that includes things like number of GPU layers, CPU threads assigned, the LLM settings, etc. To properly use LM Studio with multiple GPUs that have different amounts of VRAM (for example, 8GB and a 16GB GPU), you need to tell it to put more layers on one GPU than the other GPU. But to do that, you need to edit the preset file and change the "Tensor Split" text. But nowhere is it indicated that that is what you need to do. Googling didn't help. I had to ask in the LM Studio Discord, they mentioned vaguely about editing the file and essentially telling me to search. I search and can't find it. Then finally I'm told of the specific file that I need to edit and that it's actually the preset file, not the GPU preferences file. So, yes, if a program or OS requires commands to do almost literally anything, that is a TROLL OS/program. Literally "what is the magic code to get past this bridge?"
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Egdarska
i use ffmpeg with command line, but only because there's no good gui
same with yt-dlp
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GoldenSun3DS
LM Studio has presets that you can make that includes things like number of GPU layers, CPU threads assigned, the LLM settings, etc. To properly use LM Studio with multiple GPUs that have different amounts of VRAM (for example, 8GB and a 16GB GPU), you need to tell it to put more layers on one GPU than the other GPU. But to do that, you need to edit the preset file and change the "Tensor Split" text. But nowhere is it indicated that that is what you need to do. Googling didn't help. I had to ask in the LM Studio Discord, they mentioned vaguely about editing the file and essentially telling me to search. I search and can't find it. Then finally I'm told of the specific file that I need to edit and that it's actually the preset file, not the GPU preferences file. So, yes, if a program or OS requires commands to do almost literally anything, that is a TROLL OS/program. Literally "what is the magic code to get past this bridge?"
that's not normal use case m8
5:48 AM
this is you doing things the wrong way and complaining fixing it isn't straightforward
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exio4
it's more power user friendly to allow for composition and CLIs do offer a basic level of composition without being a full blown software engineer
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:49 AM
It has nothing to do with power users and everything to do with not having vague BS in your OS or program. It's like that puzzle in Skyrim that required you to look at an item in the inventory and rotate it when there was apparently no indication previously that that was something you should be trying. It's a troll.
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there has never been a use case for gpus where having mismatched vram was "ok"
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GoldenSun3DS
LM Studio has presets that you can make that includes things like number of GPU layers, CPU threads assigned, the LLM settings, etc. To properly use LM Studio with multiple GPUs that have different amounts of VRAM (for example, 8GB and a 16GB GPU), you need to tell it to put more layers on one GPU than the other GPU. But to do that, you need to edit the preset file and change the "Tensor Split" text. But nowhere is it indicated that that is what you need to do. Googling didn't help. I had to ask in the LM Studio Discord, they mentioned vaguely about editing the file and essentially telling me to search. I search and can't find it. Then finally I'm told of the specific file that I need to edit and that it's actually the preset file, not the GPU preferences file. So, yes, if a program or OS requires commands to do almost literally anything, that is a TROLL OS/program. Literally "what is the magic code to get past this bridge?"
ok, so a few things there; 1) an app not documenting its settings is a documentation issue 2) requiring some hoops for more advanced settings is normal 3) lm studio is a still a niche as hell small app
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exio4
like, Apple offers an app to send specific processes to certain maximum QoS
It's one executable, how hard could it be?
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GoldenSun3DS
It has nothing to do with power users and everything to do with not having vague BS in your OS or program. It's like that puzzle in Skyrim that required you to look at an item in the inventory and rotate it when there was apparently no indication previously that that was something you should be trying. It's a troll.
like a resident evil game?
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Egdarska
that's not normal use case m8
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:50 AM
It's a very normal use case to want to throw a bunch of GPUs you have at running AI, which requires massive amount of VRAM. Unless you're building a computer specifically for LLMs, you're probably not going to have multiple GPUs and all of them with the same VRAM capacity.
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how is that normal?
5:50 AM
people who are going to use several gpus will be familiar with how it works
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exio4
not everything needs to be a GUI
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:51 AM
It's incompetent design if something CAN be done in gui but HASN'T been done in GUI.
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again, there has never been a workload where it has been ok for gpus to have mismatched vram
5:51 AM
maybe blender rendering
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LLMs are different because you can offload different layers
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but then you're limited by the smallest amount
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exio4
LLMs are different because you can offload different layers
yes, and isn't that the setting he's complaining about?
5:52 AM
i did things the wrong way requiring a fix i otherwise wouldn't need, why do i need this fix??
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yes, the program by default (likely because there's a constant tension between user-friendly-ness, information density, readability, etc) just splits things evenly
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yeah, because that's how gpus generally work
5:53 AM
it's cool that it gives option to do things differently if you fucked up, but that's kind of power user shit
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:53 AM
The point is that they specifically have a preset file for configuring the LLM settings, but the GUI cannot edit all of the settings in that preset file.
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the biggest issue here is the setting not being properly documented
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well, isn't is foss?
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i don't think so
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but he's also complaining about having to use a config file, if it were documented he'd still complain
5:54 AM
but config edits are extras, as long as there's basic configuration in the program itself
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:55 AM
The lack of documentation is just more evidence of being designed like a troll level in Mario Maker, where you require prior knowledge of the level in order to beat it because it is impossible to beat it on the first try.
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wut
5:56 AM
you're mad knowledge of the program doesn't magically materialize in your brain?
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that's how software works, you need to know what to change
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Egdarska
the only thing linus has been 100% correct about was linux being shit as a main system
Linus was just skill issue, I remember he complained that arch uses pacman instead of apt
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blender is troll guys, i have to read a manual and fucking experiment to know what things do
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Egdarska
but he's also complaining about having to use a config file, if it were documented he'd still complain
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 5:57 AM
The main point is that the confif file isn't really a config file. It's a preset of user settings. The GUI allows you to edit the settings in this preset file, except for the Tensor Split setting.
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Samueru
Linus was just skill issue, I remember he complained that arch uses pacman instead of apt
kinda, but the main point of the series was to show how linux was not ready to be a replacement OS for the average windows user
5:57 AM
which is 100% true
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specially when he'd go asking for help and the help would be HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS
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Egdarska
kinda, but the main point of the series was to show how linux was not ready to be a replacement OS for the average windows user
People even lied to him that hardware acceleration wasn't available with nvidia for obs kek
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either way, all the linux users getting mad that he wasn't doing things right and just CLONE THE GIT YOU FUCKING GIT missed the point entirely
5:59 AM
if setting up an OS requires you to go to some site and download an executable just to use the computer it already failed
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and it wasn't even fair as an "average user" test because despite what it may seem, linus isn't completely fucking stupid
6:00 AM
a more apt test would have been taking one of the design employees and have them do it
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Egdarska
but config edits are extras, as long as there's basic configuration in the program itself
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:01 AM
My point with calling Linux a troll OS is that oftentimes, basic things require magic riddle answers commands, such as editing the pagefile or resetting the OS. Editing how much of the model is loaded on which GPU so that you can use GPUs with different VRAM capacities is a basic functionality. My point is that the culture of the troll OS Linux bleeds into the programs that run on it, including when those developers port stuff to Windows. Stable Diffusion kind of behaves like a virus. You do commands to install it and it's not showing in control panel, not showing in Task Manager and not easy to uninstall.
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which linux distro doesn't have a reset button? (edited)
6:02 AM
i don't even know what that part about stable diffusion means
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Egdarska
which linux distro doesn't have a reset button? (edited)
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:03 AM
Ubuntu, which I tried specifically because of its reputation of being user friendly
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you just either delete the files or run the uninstall bat file
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depending on how you installed it
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did they change it? it used to be under power off or whatever they call it
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Egdarska
if setting up an OS requires you to go to some site and download an executable just to use the computer it already failed
Windows is like this, I remember I had to download some codecs to get some stuff to work, also most software on windows is installed manually while linux usually has a repo and a package manager that does this for you
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it's a sub menu
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Samueru
Windows is like this, I remember I had to download some codecs to get some stuff to work, also most software on windows is installed manually while linux usually has a repo and a package manager that does this for you
was that just for normal use though? i had to install codecs to play re2, but that's a capcom issue
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:06 AM
All I remember is wanting to reset Ubuntu so that I could try again at installing Stable Diffusion for my Intel ARC GPU, and I couldn't find it and searching online was telling me that I needed commands to reset the OS.
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you didn't think to click the power off button that looks like it has a menu under it?
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Samueru
Windows is like this, I remember I had to download some codecs to get some stuff to work, also most software on windows is installed manually while linux usually has a repo and a package manager that does this for you
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:06 AM
Games usually install those required things if you lack them
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they even made it visual so it wouldn't need prior knowledge
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Egdarska
was that just for normal use though? i had to install codecs to play re2, but that's a capcom issue
The codecs were needed to use audacity, I consider that normal use
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that's not the os
6:07 AM
i have to install lots of shit but that's because i donwload a lot of programs that aren't "normal use"
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Egdarska
that's not the os
In linux when you install a package the codecs are already dependencies and are installed alongside automatically, though depending on the mantainer this can be missed for some obscure program
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so we're back to the average user thing
6:09 AM
what's a package? how's that different from a dependency? what's my maintainer?
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Egdarska
that's not the os
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:09 AM
Linux creates the culture of the Troll philosophy, and developers for programs on that OS tend to follow that culture with requiring three riddles answered command-line for setup and functionality. And like I said, that even bleeds over into Windows for programs like Stable Diffusion or LM Studio.
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linux users assume that everyone just knows things that are linux exclusive (edited)
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package is the program, dependency would be the codec in this case (which is also a package). maintainer is the person that keeps it up to date
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Egdarska
linux users assume that everyone just knows things that are linux exclusive (edited)
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:09 AM
Culture of trolls
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you don't have to tell me that
6:10 AM
how is the average user supposed to know that?
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linux is shit, and i dont think "CLIs are the best UX" by any means
6:10 AM
but i think hating clis as a form of user experience is just insane
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Egdarska
how is the average user supposed to know that?
The way the average user knows what an apk is lol
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they don't, that's my point
6:10 AM
go around android general sometime
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like, "I think any apps that uses multiple windows should die" is a weird statement to say
6:11 AM
yeah, when gimp used these, it was bad
6:11 AM
and windows not supporting tabs on explorer was dumb
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the average user doesn't mean the average user of discord emulation servers, it means the average person that needs to use a pc for work or school
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Egdarska
go around android general sometime
Well the playstore installs the apks, same way in linux the software store you would use would install the packages for ya
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but multiple windows aren't inherently bad
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Samueru
Well the playstore installs the apks, same way in linux the software store you would use would install the packages for ya
again, that doesn't help the average user
6:11 AM
this is what i mean by linux users not getting the point
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Samueru
Well the playstore installs the apks, same way in linux the software store you would use would install the packages for ya
does it
6:12 AM
i thought they used a new bundle thing
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:12 AM
I'm definitely what you would call a power user. I'm not bad with computers. I just hate troll OS and troll programs. I consider command-line to be a troll design unless it is a development tool, and even then, something like RPG Maker (which I haven't used) that is targeted at non-developers should avoid troll design.
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you have to take the person who only uses computers because they were taught how to make a word document so they can print it, and have them use a new OS
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Egdarska
the average user doesn't mean the average user of discord emulation servers, it means the average person that needs to use a pc for work or school
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:13 AM
I disagree. Even hardcore emulation users or LLM users shouldn't have to deal with "What's the magic pass code for getting past this bridge?"
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GoldenSun3DS
I disagree. Even hardcore emulation users or LLM users shouldn't have to deal with "What's the magic pass code for getting past this bridge?"
but that's not an issue, because at that point you can do it
6:14 AM
there's a difference between something being an annoyance and an entry block
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exio4
i thought they used a new bundle thing
What I will give you is that on linux due its nature there are multiple ways to install a program, you either use the native package, or use something like flatpak or the snap, appimage, etc. On android you just have apks and that is it
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android doesnt have just apks
6:15 AM
you have app bundles too i think they're called
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meow
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Well then, not that different then lol
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Egdarska
but that's not an issue, because at that point you can do it
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:16 AM
It's not about WANTING to do it, it's about NOT WANTING to do it. If I had to answer some riddle from a troll on my way to work, I could probably learn to answer his riddles. But I shouldn't have to learn some stupid riddles just to cross the street.
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Linux is like using android without the playstore, you will jump thru some hoops because not everything is how you were used to do stuff
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exio4
you have app bundles too i think they're called
aren't those just more apks?
6:16 AM
or building blocks for apks
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Also @Egdarska I remember you have complained that you had issues getting audio in linux long ago, this was thanks to pulseaudio being a mess at that time, today pipewire just werks, it will even take alsa or pulse and pipe it directly to your audio output
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:18 AM
Or what if I take a break from using a program for a few months? Now I've forgotten those magic riddle answers and I have to refresh my memory on answers that the troll wants, whereas with a well-designed GUI, i don't have that problem.
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way simpler than the mess I had to do with wasapi windows years ago
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GoldenSun3DS
Or what if I take a break from using a program for a few months? Now I've forgotten those magic riddle answers and I have to refresh my memory on answers that the troll wants, whereas with a well-designed GUI, i don't have that problem.
you're misunderstanding the point, nobody is saying things should not be documented
6:24 AM
but having to read documentation is like, not the end of the world
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i love documentation
6:26 AM
inject that shit right into my veins
6:28 AM
the quick start guide of our new charting software is 126 pages lol
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i love that elites decided that teaching people to read was good at some point
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no one is going to read that shit
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the key tho
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is that you can ctrl-f
6:28 AM
it's sick
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i like reading it full tho
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cmd+f and search what you need, and then you read in context and what not
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i'm still waiting for the power user manual, that one's printed
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Also I remembered I once installed the european version of windows 10 or something like that, that shit could not even let me watch videos and to install the codec the microsoft store was charging 1 usd lol
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Egdarska
i like reading it full tho
for software that i "wanna use a lot" i first skim through docs a lot
6:29 AM
to know "what i should check" when im confused by something
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i just read it
6:31 AM
that way i don't need to check later because i already read it
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i can only read it like that if i hyperfixated on it
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like the ancap government sent the law to congress that destroyed the country
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i was like
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i cant stop thinking about this i need to read it
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so i spent a whole ass night (and day) reading laws lol
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i always feel that way about manuals
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I don't read documentation just ask ai questions lol
6:32 AM
And sometimes it lies very badly btw
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bro thinks AI isn't a hallucination machine
6:33 AM
LLMs are the best for "creative" shit, it's deranged to think techbros are trying to replace humans this way
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Like I asked the ai where did you get that from and then it says, sorry that info was incorrect lol
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i've probably read the blender manual like 12 times
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I love LLMs, don't get me wrong
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one for each major release
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machine learning is awesome
6:33 AM
but those cryptobros mofos need to chill the heck down
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i wonder if some cryptobro hasn't tried to do an ai-only stocks trading machine and the authorities just haven't found his body
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i just found out there's an iOS app for running "small large language models" on them
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im coping so hard rn
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lol
6:36 AM
small large-ish kinda medium language models
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the key here is that uh
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ive got 4gb of ram
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it literally cucks me
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i think it needs 6gb of ram
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lol
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buy a k70
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24GB of ram bro
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kepler is cringe for ai
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too old and even nvidia dropped support for it
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i meant the phone lol
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i actually would be worse off on android cuz the socs tend to be amd tier on drivers
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exio4
but those cryptobros mofos need to chill the heck down
GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:39 AM
Not all AI-bros are crypto bros.
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GoldenSun3DS
Not all AI-bros are crypto bros.
the techno-optimist libertarians into e/acc are
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the overlap is almost a circle
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the key here is the e/acc cult
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 6:42 AM
I like AI for its usecases with text and image generation, but crypto is a ponzi scheme. I made a test prompt for testing story writing be about a crypto bro investing his and his wife's life savings into crypto lol
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I personally think that the biggest use for AI is just the random shit that Apple does
6:43 AM
or Google even
6:43 AM
like, you get a message - offer me context-driven suggestions
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have the laptop learn when 🥩 🔨 time starts so it starts lowering brightness
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"hey you wanna hang tomorrow? i'm free around 7 after work" [have a pop-up appear that based off contextual information, trying to mimic your own style] "yeah im free around that time", etc
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and turns night sound mode on
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exio4
"hey you wanna hang tomorrow? i'm free around 7 after work" [have a pop-up appear that based off contextual information, trying to mimic your own style] "yeah im free around that time", etc
this kind of shit is that cryptobros are scared off, helpful, humane uses of generative AI (edited)
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they want everything to be a scam
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the shit that you could go with suggestions is wild, unironically, imagine if you had an AI just learn your own writing style; it had access to ur calendar, photos, and what not lol
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i want that on-device
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if apple delivers it on-device with good enough quality, while the industry moves to everything online
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i'll unironically become a hardcore apple simp at that point
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im still eepy wtf caffeine doesnt fix this
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how much of a shit person i am if i get a job for an AI company
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typescript, react, C++, all together
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that's a weird combination of languages
8:22 AM
no python for AI?
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LPhin
no python for AI?
not in the job listing
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hey guys so i have nowhere else to ask this on discord at least but im getting a new gpu soon, im thinking about going with a 2060 (ik its not the greatest but i live in a 3rd world country and live in a poor family), do you guys think thats gonna be good enough to run games like elden ring, baldurs gate 3 with medium to high settings at 60 fps 1080p, some games on yuzu like TOTK at 60 fps 1080p also?
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i have a i3 10100, 16 gigs of ram and a 550w PSU btw
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 2:47 PM
the 2060 is fine, its the i3-10100 that will hold you back for totk specifically, it should work fine for most other yuzu games and regular games in general but you're not getting 60fps with totk on that cpu
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@Quack ^
2:51 PM
but yeah, yuzu is more cpu intensive than gpu, youll be able to play games like smash bros and mario kart pretty much flawlessly with your cpu but TOTK is like the special child of yuzu and requires a powerful cpu to run smooth 30fps let alone 60fps (edited)
2:54 PM
but to answer your earlier question, you will be more than fine with elden ring, and baldurs gate 3 for 1080p 60fps, in fact you could probably squeeze out 120fps if you fine tune your settings and use DLSS
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hey guys so i have nowhere else to ask this on discord at least but im getting a new gpu soon, im thinking about going with a 2060 (ik its not the greatest but i live in a 3rd world country and live in a poor family), do you guys think thats gonna be good enough to run games like elden ring, baldurs gate 3 with medium to high settings at 60 fps 1080p, some games on yuzu like TOTK at 60 fps 1080p also?
2060 will do you great if the price is right!
3:57 PM
I'm on a 2060 super, got the extra vram I wanted at the time - can vouch for things like DLSS hard-carrying the thing acegikMeow if you don't mind a bit of artifacting at times for a pretty big uplift in performance, at 1080p it'll be a personal question - but 2060 will do fine if you manage to snatch a higher resolution monitor over the next years as well! (edited)
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2060 💪
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but, like @DeAthWisH00123 said - the CPU will be the bottleneck at times... which is fine! something gotta be the bottleneck on a system, and yours wouldn't weirdly unbalanced for gaming, or anything like that
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:17 PM
every bottle needs a neck, after all
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but, like @DeAthWisH00123 said - the CPU will be the bottleneck at times... which is fine! something gotta be the bottleneck on a system, and yours wouldn't weirdly unbalanced for gaming, or anything like that
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:21 PM
It shouldn't be that much of a bottleneck, if at all, for regular games, but it will be for some games on yuzu (edited)
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bottleneck calculator says 17% bottleneck for gpu intensive workloads (regular games)
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so its not that bad really
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DeAthWisH00123
bottleneck calculator says 17% bottleneck for gpu intensive workloads (regular games)
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:24 PM
I have a 50% bottleneck
4:24 PM
That is nothing
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:24 PM
whats your config?
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:25 PM
I7 8700 and 3070
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:25 PM
oh dear
4:25 PM
yeah i dont need to verify that lmao
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:25 PM
Although that might have been a check for the i3 3220 and a 1070
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:25 PM
ill do it for you one sec (edited)
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:25 PM
Thanks
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:27 PM
i7-8700 with a 3070 at 1080p has a 25% bottleneck
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let me check the other one
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lmao you were right about the 1070
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why dont you upgrade your 3070 build?
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you could go lga 1700 or am4 if you dont want to buy new ram but if you go AM5 that could future proof your build because its a new socket
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@Awesomeangotti ^
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DeAthWisH00123
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:33 PM
Zamn
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DeAthWisH00123
why dont you upgrade your 3070 build?
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:33 PM
I would but its a very upgraded pre built
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:33 PM
lmao
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:33 PM
And at what point is it not the same pc?
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So if i really wanted to i could get a new cpu, ram and case then i would have a fully functional pc
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:34 PM
new motherboard and processer is when id say its not the same
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:34 PM
Also ill have to buy windows instead of using the board license
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Awesomeangotti
And at what point is it not the same pc?
deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:34 PM
The Rig of Theseus
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:34 PM
you shouldnt have to buy windows again
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as long as you use the same drive
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unless its motherboard bound
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which is super gay
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but ive never had problems with that
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DeAthWisH00123
you shouldnt have to buy windows again
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:36 PM
Sven since its an oem licence?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:36 PM
oh
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then yeah you might
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rip
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DeAthWisH00123
unless its motherboard bound
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:36 PM
Aliemware
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:36 PM
I just picked up a cheap key for like $20
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:36 PM
im so sorry for your loss
4:36 PM
the dell curse that is alienware
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:37 PM
Might yoink a win7 key from a pc
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:37 PM
Apparently there are also scripts to get around the more annoying parts of Windows not being Genuine™
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:37 PM
i dont even think a new motherboard would fit in an alienware case
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:37 PM
MS changed their policy about old Win7 enterprise keys sometime within the last year
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MS changed their policy about old Win7 enterprise keys sometime within the last year
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:38 PM
Can i still get its pro copy to win 10?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:38 PM
yeah you would need a whole new case, even if you fit the motherboard there would be no room for a cooler because dell thought it would be an amazing idea to put the power supply where the cooler needs to go like bruh, and barley any airflow in the case itself means it would thermal throttle so fast lmao (edited)
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yeah you would need a whole new case, even if you fit the motherboard there would be no room for a cooler because dell thought it would be an amazing idea to put the power supply where the cooler needs to go like bruh, and barley any airflow in the case itself means it would thermal throttle so fast lmao (edited)
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:39 PM
I dont actuall throttle
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:39 PM
yeah maybe not with an i7-8700 lmao
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:39 PM
Mmm
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deadlybydsgn
I just picked up a cheap key for like $20
squanchy 🥗 2/20/2024 4:39 PM
You paid for Windows?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:39 PM
any modern processer would die in an alienware case
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squanchy 🥗 2/20/2024 4:40 PM
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@deadlybydsgn can you refund it?
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That's $20 you could've put towards some fly new kicks.
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:42 PM
i love the progression of our conversation lol, started with "bottlenecked system" ok that could be an easy upgrad- "pre-built" ok thats not bad at all plenty of people buy prebuilts and do upgrades down the lin- "alienware" 💀💀 yeah you need a new everything with the exception of your storage device and your new gpu of course lol (edited)
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You paid for Windows?
deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:46 PM
My wife uses what turned into the secondary computer (older gaming PC guts), and I didn't think she'd appreciate some of the limitations of the non-activated version (edited)
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:53 PM
Do i even need a case
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:53 PM
i figured out how to get rid of the windows activation logo a couple years ago on my old system but i dont think the method i used works anymore lol
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Awesomeangotti
Do i even need a case
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:53 PM
technically not
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DeAthWisH00123
any modern processer would die in an alienware case
Fx 9850 with dual gtx 480
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:54 PM
Just a cpu mobo and ram
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:54 PM
i wouldnt reccommend a caseless pc
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:54 PM
Gonna make it on a piece of plywood
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Homemade
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Awesomeangotti
Just a cpu mobo and ram
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:54 PM
yo wood workshopped pc case would actually be sick
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well the most annoying problem with a caseless pc is the fact that you will have no front io
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so you will have to jump start your pc with a screwdriver everytime you want to turn it on lol
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DeAthWisH00123
well the most annoying problem with a caseless pc is the fact that you will have no front io
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:56 PM
I can solve that
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Probably
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Maybe
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Could you use a flipstick?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:56 PM
unless you get some sort of adapter on amazon thats just a button that goes over your 2 power switch pins
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do you really want to cheap out that much instead of getting a case lmao
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DeAthWisH00123
i figured out how to get rid of the windows activation logo a couple years ago on my old system but i dont think the method i used works anymore lol
deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 4:57 PM
Some rando on reddit told me a few scripts can disable the most annoying limitations (like the background, lack of taskbar customization, etc)
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:57 PM
I mostly want to make a cool looking pc
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:58 PM
well, cool looking costs money unfortunetly
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:58 PM
Could put it on the inside of a lawnmower deck
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:58 PM
uhh
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:58 PM
Pc sword
4:59 PM
Am i sane?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 4:59 PM
i think we are slowly spiraling out of control here
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 4:59 PM
Perhaps
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:00 PM
but in all seriousness you do need a case or you risk short circuiting all of your wonderful valuable and fragile components 😊
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:00 PM
Yep
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:01 PM
all it takes is one drop of liquid or a small peice of metal like a screw on your motherboard
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followed by a little bit of smoke and 1000 dollars gone (edited)
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:01 PM
Pretty jank
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Too bad we cant put some sort of coating on it
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:02 PM
i mean...
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:02 PM
To prevent contact with metals and crap
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:02 PM
you can...
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:02 PM
There are so many case options these days that I don't see the point in avoiding one
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:02 PM
This has mostly gone into theoreticals now
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:02 PM
you could cover your entire motherboard in Vaseline...
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:03 PM
I intend to get a nice looking case if i finally get a new mobo and cpu
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Awesomeangotti
I intend to get a nice looking case if i finally get a new mobo and cpu
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:03 PM
you're going to need a new cpu cooler
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:04 PM
And a cooler
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:04 PM
whatever cooler is in your alienware aint it bro 💀💀
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probably just an intel stock cooler
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DeAthWisH00123
probably just an intel stock cooler
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:04 PM
I got the weird water cooled varient
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:05 PM
oh lord
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:05 PM
truly alien
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:05 PM
id still get a new cooler
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:05 PM
But i will just put my old parts back into the alienware once i get a new mobo and stuff
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Then i can have two mostly not bottlenecked pcs!
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(And one that has a tendancy to run hot!)
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:06 PM
you can sell your ultra powerful alienware gaming pc on ebay once you build your new system
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:06 PM
I might actually turn it into some sort of nas
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Awesomeangotti
Then i can have two mostly not bottlenecked pcs!
deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:06 PM
I have a 7800X3D + 2080 and an i7-6800K + 1060. It's a good time
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Although I'm not problematically bottlenecked since I'm not going over 60fps or doing 4K
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:07 PM
I can run the alienware for work and the newer one for games
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:07 PM
7800x3d is a good one, im definitley going AM5 on my next gaming pc build
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Although I'm not problematically bottlenecked since I'm not going over 60fps or doing 4K
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:07 PM
Perhaps i should not be pushing out 4k120hdr10
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(Only gets there on light games)
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:08 PM
I only went that high because MicroCenter bundles are stupid good deals
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:08 PM
i bought a powerful new gaming laptop recently that will last me a good couple years and i can probably sell it for a lot later down the line
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DeAthWisH00123
i bought a powerful new gaming laptop recently that will last me a good couple years and i can probably sell it for a lot later down the line
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:08 PM
Sell it as vintage
5:08 PM
Easy double the cash
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:08 PM
I didn't see the point in paying $100 less to get a 12900K on a dead end socket, and the 13700K and 14700K pricing were the same as the AM5 (edited)
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:08 PM
(Or not idk)
5:09 PM
Wonder when cpus gonna get beefy enough to run totk 60fps constantly
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:09 PM
i7-12700h with a laptop 4070 and 64gb of ram i can defintley get a good price out of it later down the line i think
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:09 PM
The alienware maxxes out at 3200mhz ram
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Awesomeangotti
Wonder when cpus gonna get beefy enough to run totk 60fps constantly
deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:09 PM
Depends on one's definition of "constantly"
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:09 PM
I put 3600 in it and it had a fucking stroke
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So i swapped it to 3200 64gb and it works mighty fine
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deadlybydsgn 2/20/2024 5:10 PM
IMO the 7800X3D does it just fine, but people say it's technically hitting all of the 1% lows in the most demanding areas. I don't really notice
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Awesomeangotti
I put 3600 in it and it had a fucking stroke
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:10 PM
lol, it should just run the ram at 3200 if you put 3600 ram in it
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DeAthWisH00123
lol, it should just run the ram at 3200 if you put 3600 ram in it
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:10 PM
It tossed out a memory error : (
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Failed that post thing
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:10 PM
rip, you may just have to maually limit the ram speed in the bios
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DeAthWisH00123
rip, you may just have to maually limit the ram speed in the bios
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:10 PM
Could not even reach bios at 3600
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:10 PM
oh like it wont even post into the bios?
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thats pretty weird
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:11 PM
Nope
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As soon as i put one stick of slower ram in it it worked
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:11 PM
good ol dell
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:11 PM
But none of the faster stuff even showed
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:11 PM
making things complicated for no reason
5:12 PM
Dell is the worst computer company ever lol
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:12 PM
Sucky pcs?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:12 PM
yeah pretty much
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:12 PM
Also cant change bootlogo : (
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:12 PM
bad customer service too
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:12 PM
Do animated bootlogos exist?
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Awesomeangotti
Also cant change bootlogo : (
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:12 PM
well the boot logo is tired to the motherboard you cant really change that
5:13 PM
unless you mean something else
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:13 PM
Huh, i thought you could change it
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:13 PM
my laptop has an asus motherboard so it always says asus when booting up
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not without some sort of custom bios revision
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:13 PM
What the windows icon replaces the company logo
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That
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Thats what im tbinking of
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 5:14 PM
what do you mean
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 5:14 PM
Where on dell laptops it has the dell logo with a circle around it on bootup
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With the windows spinny circle below it
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but yeah, yuzu is more cpu intensive than gpu, youll be able to play games like smash bros and mario kart pretty much flawlessly with your cpu but TOTK is like the special child of yuzu and requires a powerful cpu to run smooth 30fps let alone 60fps (edited)
yeah i thought so but thats fine by me, i dont really care playing switch games at 30 fps, so long as theres not a lot of stuttering and i can play at 1080 - 1440p
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I'm on a 2060 super, got the extra vram I wanted at the time - can vouch for things like DLSS hard-carrying the thing acegikMeow if you don't mind a bit of artifacting at times for a pretty big uplift in performance, at 1080p it'll be a personal question - but 2060 will do fine if you manage to snatch a higher resolution monitor over the next years as well! (edited)
oh thats great! i don't really care about anything above 60 fps since i have a 60hz basic monitor lol, thanks for the info guys
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also about the bottleneck, 17% isn't that big of a deal to me so i'll be fine
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 8:18 PM
Are linux drivers still janked up for gaming on nvidia crads
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Linux on x11 gives equivalent performance to windows
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on Turing+
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Awesomeangotti
Are linux drivers still janked up for gaming on nvidia crads
On desktop the propietary drivers are good, nvk is still on development but usable depending on what you want to do.
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On laptops you may still have some issues with prime btw
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do not use nvk ^
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do not use nvk ^
Have you tested nvk btw?
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Samueru
On laptops you may still have some issues with prime btw
seen someone test it
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iirc might have been phoronix
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I've seen some vids, including a yuzu test
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the only issue is the frametimes aren't that great yet
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but the games work and don't crash lol
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depending on what you are going to do with the pc you might as well just use the nvk drivers
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no reason to use it anyway not like its better than the proprietary drivers (edited)
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no reason to use it anyway not like its better than the proprietary drivers (edited)
You avoid running into issues if your kernel modules don't build and you are met by a tty once booting back in
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So for someone that doesn't know how linux works the nvk drivers are better in that sense, they don't have to mess recovering from that
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Samueru
You avoid running into issues if your kernel modules don't build and you are met by a tty once booting back in
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Samueru
So for someone that doesn't know how linux works the nvk drivers are better in that sense, they don't have to mess recovering from that
for someone who doesn't know how linux works they definitely don't want to deal with a subpar driver that doesn't have direct manufacturer support
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for someone who doesn't know how linux works they definitely don't want to deal with a subpar driver that doesn't have direct manufacturer support
I mean would say that for the amf drivers lol?
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the chance of the kernel module not building and getting met with a tty is pretty tiny (edited)
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Samueru
On desktop the propietary drivers are good, nvk is still on development but usable depending on what you want to do.
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 8:47 PM
So gaming on linux with an nvidia card is fine and dandy?
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the chance of the kernel module not building and getting met with a tty is pretty tiny (edited)
happened to me a few times when I had nvidia
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granted it was pascal lol
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Awesomeangotti
So gaming on linux with an nvidia card is fine and dandy?
as long as it's Turing or higher you shouldn't have many issues at all
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and use X11
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not wayland
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I've seen people shit to no end on ZFS just for the fact that you also need kernel modules for that lol (edited)
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Nvidia drivers take a performance and latency hit on wayland
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Even though ZFS has a bunch of usable features
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as long as it's Turing or higher you shouldn't have many issues at all
Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 8:49 PM
3070
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that is turning or higher
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just make sure you are using xorg
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and not wayland
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 8:49 PM
The what is a xorg
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what distro
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Awesomeangotti 2/20/2024 8:49 PM
And a wayland
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Awesomeangotti
The what is a xorg
God bless you
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if it's something like Ubuntu or fedora it will default to wayland
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in the corner of ur screen there should be some text you can click
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and switch it back to x11
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And a wayland
basically how linux renders the display wayland is the new one but has a lot of issues with nvidia
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xorg is stable but outdated and has multiple flaws, but still better than wayland right now for your usecase (edited)
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You will still have issues with wayland on amd btw, I could not figure out why pipewire only let me choose one display to record.
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Or why thunar configuration reseted to default lol
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You will still have issues with wayland on amd btw, I could not figure out why pipewire only let me choose one display to record.
oh yeah screensharing only works properly on like
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kde and hyprland
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It was on hyprland with obs
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8:53 PM
hyprland should work the best
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clicking on the thing to select display for the pipewire input did not open anything
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well it only gets worse from here
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that's reassuring
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if you have one display this isn't an issue
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Also if you want to set multiple monitors as one (like the 3 I use for racing games) there is no way to do it in sway, I don't know if other wayland window managers can (edited)
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sway is generally really behind
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because they follow stable wlroots
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Yeah if I need to switch I might go with hyprland, it was easier to use than sway in the limited test I did
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but with hyprland I could find a way to have a single keybind done multiple actions
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there most be a way for that
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on i3 and sway you just separate the actions by a comma
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check the wiki iirc there is a way to do that
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I did, couldn't find anything
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For example there I move the window to a different workspace, focus on that workspace, and send a notification of the new workspace I switched to. each separate by a comma
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never had a need to do this (edited)
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ask in the discord ig
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there's probably a way
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Yeah, I will ask on reddit once I give another shot to hyprland
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That's also another complex thing I have going on, mod+f1 launches the web browser, but if it is already open it will focus on it instead, however I use the PWAs of the web browser for discord, telegram, whatsapp, so I don't want to focus on those (I use mod+f4 for that) so I need to filter which window instance I don't want to focus with i3-msg, I will need to find a way to do something similar in hyprland
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And i3 is the "easy" wm, other window managers you directly edit the source code of the thing lol
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lmaoo
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dwl
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Samueru
Yeah, I will ask on reddit once I give another shot to hyprland
the discord is official, idk abt the reddit
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the chance of the kernel module not building and getting met with a tty is pretty tiny (edited)
And btw, you would be surprise on how little people know about kernel modules. I once on reddit I remember something complaining that the nvidia drivers were shit, when I asked them what happened they describe what was very obviously mkinitcpio falling to run. I explained to then that need to make sure that mkinitcpio doesn't fail after an update, that isn't a fault directly of the nvidia drivers, etc And then the person tells me I use dracut. Turns out they somehow managed to install Gentoo and did not know how the fuck their computer worked lol. holy shit. (edited)
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And btw, you would be surprise on how little people know about kernel modules. I once on reddit I remember something complaining that the nvidia drivers were shit, when I asked them what happened they describe what was very obviously mkinitcpio falling to run. I explained to then that need to make sure that mkinitcpio doesn't fail after an update, that isn't a fault directly of the nvidia drivers, etc And then the person tells me I use dracut. Turns out they somehow managed to install Gentoo and did not know how the fuck their computer worked lol. holy shit. (edited)
?????
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LOl
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I learnt abt them on my first arch install
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because I actually spent like 3hs reading the wiki
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and didn't use some yt video or whatever (edited)
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I fucking ran into somebody that had been using Gentoo for a year+ and had no idea lmao
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And this was long before gentoo shipped binaries like it does now
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They got very far somehow lol
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looool
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Mf really installed gentoo
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Madlad
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Samueru
And btw, you would be surprise on how little people know about kernel modules. I once on reddit I remember something complaining that the nvidia drivers were shit, when I asked them what happened they describe what was very obviously mkinitcpio falling to run. I explained to then that need to make sure that mkinitcpio doesn't fail after an update, that isn't a fault directly of the nvidia drivers, etc And then the person tells me I use dracut. Turns out they somehow managed to install Gentoo and did not know how the fuck their computer worked lol. holy shit. (edited)
what the fuck
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what the fuck
I didnt even know what dracut was at that time lol
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i have no idea what dracut is (edited)
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Dracut is an alternative to mkinitcpio that is used in Gentoo and Void linux
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Those are also distros that dont use systemd
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They are very diferent, if you go around googling for solution for issues you will have a bad time because most results will be for systemd and other popular tools instead
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Like if you try to do a systemctl enable service on gentoo or void it wont work lol
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On those you have to manually do the symlink of the service
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And then you have the distros that use musl instead of glibc
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That's the kind of distro I would call trollos lol
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Same for journald, there isn't even a journaling service installed in voidlinux kek
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also about the bottleneck, 17% isn't that big of a deal to me so i'll be fine
DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 11:02 PM
the interesting thing about a cpu bottleneck, is that when you turn up your resolution, the bottleneck will go away, because your gpu is being further utilized over your cpu, because now it doesnt have to pump out more fps because your gpu is rendering at a high enough resolution to where the gpu is being maxxed out, and thus fully utilized
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(not talking about yuzu, just normal games in general)
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so you could totally play at 1440p 60hz and not be bottlenecked
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good to know, 1440p is my sweet spot
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 11:04 PM
again, your cpu only gets bottlenecked because it has to display all the frames from your gpu so if you give your gpu a reason to pump out less fps, (like turning up resolution or graphics settings) then your cpu doesnt get bottlenecked
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oh so basically i just gotta force my gpu a little lol
11:05 PM
thx for the tip
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 11:05 PM
i recommend using DLSS at a 1440p display resolution, and capping your fps to 60 for a smooth and hopefully stable experience
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yeah i usually use v sync because for some reason it makes my games look way smoother than just locking my fps to 60
11:07 PM
and it helps with stutters too i think, idk, i just notice less of them with it enabled
11:07 PM
i don't really understand how these things work lmao
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 11:07 PM
thats totally fine, i personally find input delay annoying so i may hard cap the fps in the nvidia control panel and games barley screen tear so it doesnt bother me
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my laptop can usually get like 160-200 fps in the games i play so i cap my fps to 144, (which is my screens refresh rate) and it always ends up running buttery smooth, i use this software called RTSS (RivaTunerStatisticsServer) to cap and track fps on my laptop
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i only enable it in third person games tho, for some reason v sync makes your camera in first person games feel weird
11:12 PM
it makes your camera feel floaty, i guess?
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DeAthWisH00123 2/20/2024 11:12 PM
yes, v-sync eliminates screen tearing and stuttering for a smoother consistent experience at the expense of more input delay
11:13 PM
like the game wont be as responsive to your inputs with vsync on
11:14 PM
so i like to keep that off on any game i play as i value response time, and my games run smooth anyway so i dont really need it (edited)
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yeah it all depends on what games you play really, well thanks for the info
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1440p + DLSS Quality/Balanced are OP
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squanchy 🥗 2/20/2024 11:38 PM
Thanks to AI upscaling and better specs, Sony will market the PlayStation 5 Pro as a 120 FPS, 4K machine
11:38 PM
The source is a guest on MLID's podcast, not MLID himself, so we don't have to dismiss it out of hand.
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 11:39 PM
120 FPS and 4K machine, or 120FPS OR 4K Machine?
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squanchy 🥗 2/20/2024 11:39 PM
yes
11:40 PM
PepoSmug
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GoldenSun3DS 2/20/2024 11:44 PM
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Downgrade from the 8k ready 120fps marketing of the ps5
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i mean
11:59 PM
if they get an AI upscaler going it could do better at upscaled 1080p than fsr2 from 1300p
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exio4
if they get an AI upscaler going it could do better at upscaled 1080p than fsr2 from 1300p
Amd ai upscaler tho
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Egdarska
Amd ai upscaler tho
not amd
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sony
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microsoft is working on their own, as well
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they kinda gave up on amd for software
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It has to run on amd hardware
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also, Netflix casually dropped Nimona on YouTube lol
12:04 AM
didn't know it was based off ND Stevenson's work either, lowkey makes me excited
12:04 AM
she-ra was cool
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deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 1:21 AM
I just read about the new Switch not coming until 2025
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The original Switch released in March of 2017, so it wouldn't be surprising if it follows around that same time next year
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But holiday console releases are the best, IMO
1:24 AM
I don't think we can go another year with this horrible hardware
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deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 1:43 AM
What hardware is it based on?
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Moonlacer
But holiday console releases are the best, IMO
deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 1:44 AM
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For exactly that reason, and they always sell out
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deadlybydsgn
What hardware is it based on?
Awesomeangotti 2/21/2024 2:32 AM
Tegra x5 def
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exio4
1440p + DLSS Quality/Balanced are OP
SadSinglePringle 2/21/2024 5:34 AM
YESSSSSSSSSS
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also
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in FSR's defense
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when it comes to 4k
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it's much better compared to it's 1080p counterpart
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still not dlss
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but
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it's actually useable
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yeah i usually use v sync because for some reason it makes my games look way smoother than just locking my fps to 60
SadSinglePringle 2/21/2024 5:38 AM
frametimes
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@exio4
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0/̵͇̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ wys 2/21/2024 1:15 PM
how do I make my game not a slideshow
1:15 PM
totk
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Egdarska
@exio4
mood
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0/̵͇̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ wys
how do I make my game not a slideshow
deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 2:36 PM
It's one of the heaviest games to run in Yuzu. So, without knowing your specs, I'd wager to guess your CPU isn't up for the task. If it isn't running at 25-30 fps at native resolution, you're better off just playing it on your Switch.
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deadlybydsgn
It's one of the heaviest games to run in Yuzu. So, without knowing your specs, I'd wager to guess your CPU isn't up for the task. If it isn't running at 25-30 fps at native resolution, you're better off just playing it on your Switch.
0/̵͇̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ wys 2/21/2024 3:35 PM
it is it just drops to 1 fps every 5 seconds or fighting
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deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 3:36 PM
Nobody can help diagnose you without knowing your hardware or settings (edited)
3:36 PM
What's your CPU? How much ram? What GPU are you running? etc. (edited)
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deadlybydsgn
What's your CPU? How much ram? What GPU are you running? etc. (edited)
0/̵͇̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ wys 2/21/2024 3:40 PM
Ryzen 5 5600x, Nvidia 3070, 16gb
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deadlybydsgn
Nobody can help diagnose you without knowing your hardware or settings (edited)
0/̵͇̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ wys 2/21/2024 3:41 PM
defualt then I changed the thing from high to default in advanced
3:46 PM
join vc if u want to talk to me bout it
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deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 3:53 PM
Nah, I'm at work
3:54 PM
Your specs should run it pretty well, so that's puzzling. The usual recommendations are to increase your Windows page file size and then scrutinize your Yuzu settings
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deadlybydsgn
Nah, I'm at work
0/̵͇̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ wys 2/21/2024 3:56 PM
alright I will try figure some things and do the log thing someone told me to do a few hours ago
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deadlybydsgn 2/21/2024 3:56 PM
Yeah. The peeps in the totk channel should have a better idea after you post a log
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deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 2:28 AM
Huh. Looks like my MSI board from the Microcenter bundle has its first oddity. Bluetooth disappears every once in a while
2:29 AM
Friggin’ MSI
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mediatek?
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Get those driver updates
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if it is mediatek just throw it away
3:11 AM
and buy a new card
3:11 AM
mediatek is e-waste
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It's built-in to the motherboard
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rip
3:13 AM
on the plus side, a chinese usb dongle will most likely be beter
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Moonlacer
It's built-in to the motherboard
usually socketed
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I have Mediatek, works fine here
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Mediatek wifi/bluetooth is basically as bad as it gets
3:13 AM
it's the equivalent of raytracing on a RX 6500 XT
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Wi-Fi 6E driver is sometimes a bit slow to start, but otherwise just fine
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you are better off giving up
3:14 AM
unstable piece of trash that should never been sold to consumers
3:14 AM
hell, even manufacturing it was a mistake, shouldn't have left the goddamn labs, it has no reason to exist
3:14 AM
6500 XT could exist as a display adapter
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eventually
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MTK wifi/bt just no
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cries in mid-2000s netbook
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my broadcom wifi in the netbook in 2010 was more stable than mediatek is for most people i've talked with
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:15 AM
150mbps wifi never failed
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you actually might have trouble getting 50 Mbps on mediatek wifi in some configurations
3:16 AM
where an intel card will do >500
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:16 AM
No idea why only Intel gets how to do ac and newer
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in the same computer
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exio4
you actually might have trouble getting 50 Mbps on mediatek wifi in some configurations
50 (edited)
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my fucking internet can be faster than that, on fucking 2.4GHz (edited)
3:16 AM
it's insane
3:18 AM
i wish that google's gemini app ran on macos
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:22 AM
i wish all of google apps worked anywhere besides their trash and windows
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>windows
3:22 AM
they don't work on windows lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:23 AM
they advertise it at beset kek
3:23 AM
found how to disable turbo on the kernel, bye bye (edited)
3:24 AM
literally changing a 0 to a 1 in a file, parts where linux shines
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GoldenX86_64
they advertise it at beset kek
no
3:25 AM
google shit has like, 0 support on windows
3:26 AM
the exception is youtube at best
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yea the phawx showed promising results
3:28 AM
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the fuck
3:28 AM
its local shit lmao
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:29 AM
shintel meanwhile still losing to adreno 600 GPUs
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F llava doesn't work
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:30 AM
wonder how good the switch 2 soc would be at low tdps
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on macOS you can't use int8 models so ram usage is crazy
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:31 AM
what's the power consumption while running the model?
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so it used like 24gb ish of memory lol
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GoldenX86_64
what's the power consumption while running the model?
on the gpu? or the whole laptop?
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:31 AM
whole
3:32 AM
without turbo, i'm getting 6-9w in discord, linux win
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plugged in, peaked to 88W for a split second, dropped down to 62W within 5 seconds
3:33 AM
i am plugged in, though
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:34 AM
abusing that poor charger
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no, it's fine
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:34 AM
my shitty realtek wifi runs like trash with the wifi in this cabin, solution, connect with the phone and hotspot bigbrain
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Name: 96W USB-C Power Adapter Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
3:35 AM
this is the screen brightness i'm using, but with a terminal / dark mode, so the backlight isn't as powered on as it could be
3:36 AM
so... 350 nits? 400?
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max is 500
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:36 AM
is it hot?
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i don't have the higher range enabled because it's midnight
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GoldenX86_64
is it hot?
no
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the laptop is rated for 1000 nits sustained
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1600 peak
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oh btw @GoldenX86_64 - the m*c has temperature sensors on the whole display assembly
3:37 AM
and it keeps track of every miniLED - the peak can be sustained with cooling in theory
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:37 AM
i mean the charger kek
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no
3:38 AM
its just generic warm
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:38 AM
so if you manage to add some massive heatsink to the display, it could be a permanent flashlight
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exio "generic warm" = 95C
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GoldenX86_64
so if you manage to add some massive heatsink to the display, it could be a permanent flashlight
when im vibing at 3am i just use the watch
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Egdarska
exio "generic warm" = 95C
no, i grabbed it, it's not that warm
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:39 AM
the 65w of my laptop gets quite warm
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exio4
Click to see attachment 🖼️
i did NOTHING since then
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"memory used" is back to 27 gb lol
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oh wait i forgor
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its the llm shit i tried for you @GoldenX86_64
3:39 AM
smh
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:40 AM
i rember
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asked the llm to write a reply to @Egdarska
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one must (edited)
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it was writing
3:41 AM
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>throttling >improved performance
3:42 AM
and people are worried about AI taking over
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i mean
3:43 AM
the AI is delusional
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but the key is that if you have no means of throttling - you must design your cooling and Vf curves to be as conservative as possible
3:44 AM
so, on a fixed cooling capacity - without throttling, you lose performance
3:44 AM
a phone is a very good example of that
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:44 AM
so when are we attaching a noctua to your miniled
kek 1
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if it couldn't throttle, it'd have to run at their steady state from the get go; and would require performance to go down by 75+% in some cases
3:45 AM
moving to antartica
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:45 AM
if i can add fans to a broken display, a noctua should be easier
3:46 AM
my dad preferred to use the gigabyte at 60hz with hdr instead of sdr at 120 hz
3:46 AM
granted, his 30 years old kvm switch adds like 100ms of delay
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exio4
if it couldn't throttle, it'd have to run at their steady state from the get go; and would require performance to go down by 75+% in some cases
if you have a workload that is somewhat demanding on 1 thread, and then must fire up the gpu for a split second without letting the cpu core chill - without the power envelope being blown throttle the roof for that time you are gonna be basically starving both components
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i do think it has been taken too far tho
3:47 AM
case in point, intel and amd
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exio4
if it couldn't throttle, it'd have to run at their steady state from the get go; and would require performance to go down by 75+% in some cases
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"1 single core - 30W" "8 cores fully loaded - 50W"
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:47 AM
moar coars was always the way
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exio4
mediatek?
deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 3:47 AM
RZ616 onboard
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:47 AM
just keep adding coars
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yeah, e-waste @deadlybydsgn
3:48 AM
throw it away
3:48 AM
it's amd rebranded mediatek
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:48 AM
if you don't have a whitelist, get an intel ax210
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enjoy true wifi
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Moonlacer
Get those driver updates
deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 3:48 AM
Everything’s up to date as far as I know
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Mediatek is incompetent at this
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:48 AM
rodrigo has an ax200 in his laptop rocks, but has a fucking intel moment, it doesn't support hotspot
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the 210 does
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GoldenX86_64
moar coars was always the way
what for
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:49 AM
for coars
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no, I mean, what for
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deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 3:49 AM
I have a spare Asus BT adapter from the old machine. Hmm. But I wonder if I can fix it or if it’ll keep being random
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:49 AM
FX was right, moar coars all the way
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Apple does 2+4 on mobile and they have huge Ws
3:49 AM
2+4 vibing alongside >8 cores
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:49 AM
well wait, stop, 2+4 of real cores
3:49 AM
instead of 4 meh ones, 4 trash ones and one passable one
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Apple's biggest lead is on the e-cores
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funnily enough
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:50 AM
iirc the big big core on the sd8g2 is comparable to the e-core of the iphone
3:50 AM
making the regular p-cores of the sd8g2 worse (edited)
3:50 AM
sd 8g2 is much faster
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:50 AM
and making the e-cores something that make even the og atom feel proud kek
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the e-core's strength comes from how insanely efficient they are, they are still much slower - usually 20-30% of the p-core on the laptops
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so they will take 4-5 times longer for a workload
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but still use 3 times less energy
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like, the whole e-core cluster on this m*c uses <500mW
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lol
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i sent the power consumption to a few places and they asked me which core was which, and seeing 200mW on a whole 4 core cluster was like
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wtf
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 3:53 AM
200mW on any computing at this level is insane
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ill run cinebench on the e-cores
3:55 AM
meow
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GoldenX86_64
200mW on any computing at this level is insane
something cool as well
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Apple's e-cores are on their own "CCX"
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so their memory accesses don't clash with the p-cores' cache, etc
3:58 AM
intel & amd should learn that, so the OS can run backups and shit without dying
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can the e cores run crysis?
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running cinebench r23 on the e-cores holy shit
4:00 AM
i've never seen them use this much power lol
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Egdarska
can the e cores run crysis?
i mean, yeah?
4:01 AM
why not
4:02 AM
e-cores using 2.5W im so confused rn
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its so slow tho 😦
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smh
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cinebench r24 is so annoying tbh
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i miss when cinebench took a few minutes to run
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CPU Power: 3180 mW CPU Power: 3650 mW CPU Power: 2584 mW CPU Power: 1689 mW CPU Power: 1607 mW CPU Power: 4158 mW CPU Power: 2686 mW CPU Power: 2386 mW CPU Power: 3328 mW CPU Power: 1928 mW
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power consumption off the CPU cores, cinebench on the e-cores (edited)
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not the display, keyboard, etc
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intel & amd should learn that, so the OS can run backups and shit without dying
GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:06 AM
afaik they do it that way to dump core data to l3 and reduce inter-core latency
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afaik they do it that way to dump core data to l3 and reduce inter-core latency
different tradeoffs
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apple does it because they're efficiency brained, and consider the e-cores somewhat separate
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idk if windows has io throttling as well?
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:08 AM
no clue there
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but i like apple's approach for laptops there
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like, if you ran time machine - apple would send it to the e-cores, and throttle the I/O to avoid trigger higher power stages
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so you can run a backup in the background using .. like 2W tops? or so of total power
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yes, it'd be faster if they just used the p-cores, and let it max the ssd
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but you're on a laptop, how much energy it uses is more relevant than power for most users
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:10 AM
agreed, battery life first, given the experience is passable enough
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man, no turbo, power efficiency mode, 5w windows wtf are you doing with background tasks
4:12 AM
the only things i really miss are a decent ips screen and better gpu drivers now
4:13 AM
hell, i'll take a va on a laptop without issue
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youre still bottlenecked by uh
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battery capacity
4:13 AM
do you have usb-c input
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:13 AM
not charging
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:13 AM
it's just an usb 3.1 c
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or 3.2, no clue, but doesn't has anything besides being reversible
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when i want more battery life i use a 22.5W battery pack
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(Switch branded lol)
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:14 AM
kek
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based
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mandatory getting a decent usb c feature list in the next laptop i saw usb c on this one and didn't google enough (not like vendors even care to provide it)
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mandatory getting a decent usb c feature list in the next laptop i saw usb c on this one and didn't google enough (not like vendors even care to provide it)
lenovo has pretty good spec sheets
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:15 AM
but i doubt my next laptop will have 4 usb ports, i will miss that for sure gotta love not needing a dock everywhere
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A unique power bank, Anker doesn't have a non-Nintendo version with the same specs. Works well for other, small USB PD devices. It is a favorite to keep in a Switch carrying case.
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this is the old one but that's what they give you
4:16 AM
this charger is enough for like 6 ish hours of vibing from 100% to 0%
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on top of the built-in battery
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meow
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usb-c charging is imo a killer feature
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a laptop without usb-c charging may as well be considered defective lol
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but i understand gaming crap can't really do it
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:18 AM
gaming crap can't do it because muh 400w chargers but anything regular should be mandatory by now
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GoldenX86_64
gaming crap can't do it because muh 400w chargers but anything regular should be mandatory by now
anything <240W could do it now
4:19 AM
smh
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:19 AM
well yes and no
4:20 AM
no one wants to do 240w cables kek
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but 120w should be enough for anything, and doable
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its not just that
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its that it'll cost $10 more on the overall product
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and muh performance/value charts will look bad once you add $10 for the charger, $5 for the cable, etc
4:21 AM
most of the PC market is built on the race to the bottom
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:21 AM
like my laptop
4:21 AM
the only good part it has is the keyboard and the cpu kek
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65% sRGB is ok because if we had put a 100% sRGB display, we'd not sell the laptop
4:22 AM
low-end pc market be like
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i don't own a usb-c charger capable of powering this monstrosity
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exio4
65% sRGB is ok because if we had put a 100% sRGB display, we'd not sell the laptop
GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:23 AM
daily reminder the deck did the same kek
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my usb-c charger is only 96W 🙏
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GoldenX86_64
daily reminder the deck did the same kek
yes
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GoldenX86_64
daily reminder the deck did the same kek
it's not that high
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45% at best
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:23 AM
the deck is more justified though, they did a killer product on a stupidly low price
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plus the oled solved all issues
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alright fellas
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how do i copy a file to my windows pc
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:24 AM
from where
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i don't think it's ever justified if the purpose is gaming
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also counterpoint, the switch screen
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the only real excuse for Valve is that it was too risky
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ther price isn't a concern
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if nintendo's bottom of the barrel solution makes yours look like shit you fucked up (edited)
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they did a lot of custom engineering already, and an OLED screen required to be custom, and implement HDR on linux which is a lot of effort
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:25 AM
true, the ips screen of the switch, even the lite, is excellent
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but they could have gotten an IPS that wasn't e-waste
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:26 AM
wonder why they didn't just use the ips screen of the switch
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since it seems they are using a variant of the oled one
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literally just buy whatever nintendo buys
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wifi go brr
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i doubt the extra 80 vertical pixels make much difference
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:26 AM
mac has samba
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ye im using it
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:26 AM
they don't plus there are games that hate 16:10
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i had already set it up
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:27 AM
i don't get why they aimed for 1280x800
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was that the only part available for their budget?
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i'm still 100% convinced they bought old screens from a failed 2013 chinese tablet factory
4:27 AM
they were all 1280x800
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lets gooo
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:28 AM
heh true
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and 45% sRGB is a genuine cheap tablet moment
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1280x800 makes sense imo
4:28 AM
720p + power info
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:28 AM
that's a good use yeah
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which its a cope to worry about but
4:28 AM
uh its a pc handheld theyre all cope
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:28 AM
but 40 pixels top and bottom is a lot of info kek
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its taking forever to copy those goddamn files
4:29 AM
cringe ass speeds
4:29 AM
😔
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:29 AM
pff, better than my realtek
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this is WiFi 5 lol
4:31 AM
i think the laptop does 6e
4:31 AM
i should upgrade when i have money
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:31 AM
a good 6e router is quite expensive
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yeah but
4:32 AM
uh
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TP-Link AXE5400 💪
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i'd be bottlenecked by my gigabit connection 💀
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:32 AM
and a meh one is just wifi 5 speeds for more money
4:32 AM
routers turned silently into a money trap kek
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time to buy a mac mini as router
4:33 AM
(M2 Mac Mini has WiFi 6e)
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:33 AM
would be cheaper than some routers, ironically
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at least here
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i'm getting about 20MBps with kde connect
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from laptop to phone
4:34 AM
so 160Mbps wack
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:34 AM
i get 50 with it, and with google nearby share
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phones have slow wifis
4:34 AM
my phone only does like 400 Mbps at best iirc
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:34 AM
iirc it does 200 phone to phone
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it's also a shitty isp router
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i swear to fucking god
4:36 AM
>AirDrop cancelled
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"not enough storage"
4:37 AM
>50GB left
4:37 AM
what the fuck
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:37 AM
wtf
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it just werks
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i think its because it doesnt count icloud storage or something
4:38 AM
i love sata ssds
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 4:39 AM
YEAH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo................
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@exio4
4:43 AM
fsr2 performance with dlss performance at 1080p
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i forgot you can do that with the dlss mod
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Straight back to Xbox 360
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i wonder
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4k gaming on a laptop
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 5:06 AM
fsr2the_rescue
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exio4
i love sata ssds
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 5:13 AM
i'd still kill for 550MB/s file transfer speeds in general in fairness im also running a system that only has SATA so.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i'd still kill for 550MB/s file transfer speeds in general in fairness im also running a system that only has SATA so.
im used to nvme
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it’s mostly load times
5:35 AM
lm studio off the nvme is fine
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but sata makes it slow as fuck
5:52 AM
huh, discord blacklisted the embed, kek
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Works here
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 5:58 AM
funny it can do it
5:58 AM
i would stick only to reflections, but the little thing can do it and better than a 6500 xt
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the duality of man
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GoldenX86_64
funny it can do it
i personally can't wait until AMD gets a proper upscaler
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 5:59 AM
bet you budget for the scaler is over
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the community needs to stop coping tbh
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better than the 6500xt isn't an accomplishment
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 5:59 AM
well the 3050 6gb couldn't even pass that
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"540p60 lows" is fine for an iGPU if your upscaler isn't trash
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but the 3050 is like a 3030
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exio4
"540p60 lows" is fine for an iGPU if your upscaler isn't trash
fite me gamers
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i'm doing 60fps 4k upscaled smug
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fsr2 + dlss
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DLSS Performance at 1080p is 100% "usable", if the alternative was >720p30
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Egdarska
fsr2 + dlss
wait what
6:00 AM
those two are separate
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dont you mean fsr1
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it looks worse than 1080p dlss quality 👍
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they're both taas
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exio4
dont you mean fsr1
no, re4 with the dlss mod
6:01 AM
you can do fsr2 and then dlss
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oh replacing fsr with dlss?
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it looks like shit
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you... what?
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no, both
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no, i mean
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what is fsr2 + dlss2
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the mod is not replacing fsr, it's applied separately wit REframework
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:02 AM
fsr on top of dlss
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technically you can do fsr2 and then apply fsr2 on top again
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:02 AM
looks as it sounds
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if you hate your eyes
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but dlss doesn't give you motion vectors on the output
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hmmm maybe it does actually
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for motion blur
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no, it does fsr2, then the mod grabs the motion vectors and reuses them
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its cursed got it
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so it goes fsr2>dlss
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:03 AM
i don't get the "AI cores" of RDNA3 if you at least don't make FSR3 use them
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there's other uses, but yeah, not having a dlss competitor is dumb
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:03 AM
i expected AMD would release an "FSR+" for RDNA3 hardware
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we got nothing
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but fsr2 looks good bro
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:04 AM
it doesn't i'm with exio here but it works on low end stuff and that's what matters
6:04 AM
if you use a 7900xtx with it instead of xess, you're a fool
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lel i know
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exio4
"540p60 lows" is fine for an iGPU if your upscaler isn't trash
Android users have entered the chat
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:04 AM
kek
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but we have users in this very server arguing that fsr2 competes with dlss
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which is just lol
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GoldenX86_64
kek
Hey when you have the time could you helpme with installing aan NSP?
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lmao evem
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:04 AM
it competes in the same market sense only kek
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srgeppi
Hey when you have the time could you helpme with installing aan NSP?
GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:05 AM
a game update or DLC?
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GoldenX86_64
a game update or DLC?
Game?
6:05 AM
sorry its my first time
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not sure
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:05 AM
you don't install games on yuzu, you point to the folder where the dump is
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you only install updates and DLCs
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native warframe port on ios
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So I have a NSP file. when I drag it into YUZU it crashes. if I add via Nand its file failed.
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phone was fast charging and overheating from 35C weather so its a worst case
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Moonlacer
Does the stutter happen IRL?
what do you mean?
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:07 AM
oh damn, first comment is right, this is way faster than a 1660 doing RT kek
6:07 AM
pure compute RT lost to only denoising compute
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Moonlacer
Does the stutter happen IRL?
how would it not happen irl
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Thought it may be recording issues
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lol no
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Could also be that Discord is trash
6:08 AM
Ah, RIP
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you could see later
6:08 AM
it freezes for a few seconds
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and i get a notification
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An ok game made unplayable
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which i move aside
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while the game is still frozen
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Uh oh
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:09 AM
low end gaming moment
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the game runs worse than on switch
6:10 AM
the port is early days
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Time to work with t895 to get yuzu working better with 16:9 displays for the "docked" experience
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GoldenX86_64
low end gaming moment
its worse than that
6:12 AM
shader compilation stuttering all over the place
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and has pop in issues
6:13 AM
load a mission and see objects textures load in front of you over a few seconds (edited)
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Can only imagine how it runs on Android, the "unoptimized" platform
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im on my phone rn
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dlss quality, dlss quality + fsr2 quality, fsr2 quality
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fsr2 quality is uh
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i personally was excited for fsr2
6:16 AM
but like
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it would probably look better just rendering 1080p and upscaling on the display
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i thought 💭 it was a building block
6:16 AM
not the final release
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Is the GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER FASTER than an RTX 3090? Find out in this episode of GeForce: Fact or Fiction 💡
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it is faster actually lol
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wait, fsr2 quality is 1440p lmao (edited)
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you can find some places where raw bandwidth takes over or capacity bottlenecks you
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Egdarska
wait, fsr2 quality is 1440p lmao (edited)
try performance
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i don't hate my eyes
6:19 AM
if dlss was done before fsr2 it might have a chance of looking decent
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because fsr2 would be getting a really nice image
6:19 AM
but as it is, dlss has to try to fix whatever fsr did
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try dlss vs fsr i mean
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oh lol
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at performance
6:20 AM
1080 to 4K
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so 1080p>4k
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guess which is which
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i wanna mention
6:29 AM
im on a 1440p monitor
6:29 AM
and that is not using all of the screen
6:29 AM
and theres still a massive IQ difference lol
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the detail on the jacket is just gone
6:32 AM
i guess that answers the "fsr2 is good for 4k" cope
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fsr2 is never good
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the only real advantage is that doing any dlss>4k on a 3060 lowers the frame rate a lot
6:33 AM
but at that point just play at 1080p
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Egdarska
the only real advantage is that doing any dlss>4k on a 3060 lowers the frame rate a lot
uhh, that might your mobile 3060 the most tbh
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i dunno, it has more tensor cores than the desktop card
6:34 AM
and it consistently benchmarks the same or higher
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nah, i mean
6:35 AM
6:35 AM
it should have a 2 ish ms frametime cost
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(1080p => 2160p)
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i think that tracks, it tops out at like 80fps regardless of settings when doing that
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i usually target >=60 if i do 4k
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i'd just take 1080p dlaa instead of struggling with 4k dlss
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try 1600p + DLSS Quality + bilinear as the last stage
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but i'm doing dlss quality 1080p instead lol
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yeah, i mean
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laptop screen plus freesync
6:38 AM
i'll take the frames any day
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i just think dlss at higher resolution is an insanely good deal
6:38 AM
if you are a resolution snob on a budget, DLSS is much better IQ than trying to cope with any other upscaler
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yeah, if i were playing on a large tv i'd probably do dlss to 4k
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and still looks better than the OG resolution
6:38 AM
3060 12G is a 4K + DLSS Performance card if you so desire
6:39 AM
is it "as good as native", fuck no it isn't
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too bad nvidia scammed me out of 6GB
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native would need a 4080 tho 👍
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i think in most cases dlss is only obviously not native when compared side by side
6:39 AM
specially with modern games being blurry/noisy as fuck
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dlss gets rid of a lot of that noise too
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so in some ways it's a straight upgrade over native
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DLSS is insane
6:40 AM
like, conceptually, we're getting free-AA
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lemme see if i saved those twinknocchio screenshots of the hair
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i played some older games not long ago and they looked ~sharp~ yeah
6:41 AM
but you need to run them at 5K to get proper anti-aliased results (edited)
6:42 AM
and dlss has to deal with the undersample modern effects all games do lol
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not to mention they had simple geometry
6:42 AM
mfs be like msaa, my brother in christ most aliasing today is not even on the geometry
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:42 AM
i can notice performance on 1440p with dlss but balanced or quality? only when looking for it
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I actually wanna see what NVIDIA cooks for their next-gen temporal upscaling
6:42 AM
imagine DLSS, but they make it four times as demanding lol
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fake normals
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because the 50 series is just that good
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lol, i forgot i uninstalled lies of p
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Egdarska
mfs be like msaa, my brother in christ most aliasing today is not even on the geometry
reading papers on anti-aliasing from a whileback
6:43 AM
its funny
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it stopped launching, thanks microshit store
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like it feels funny to me that now nvidia is like "we should spend a fuckton of compute of a neural network to pick samples"
6:44 AM
and it works
6:44 AM
like anti-aliasing was a fucking art
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i still haven't forgiven nvidia for setting fxaa loose on the world
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crytek's proper anti-aliasing method was a spatial supersampler + temporal supersampler + sub-pixel aware postprocessing filter
6:45 AM
they legit were like
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cryengine 3 had amazing IQ for the time
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i'll die mad ue4 won
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"we need to get data somehow, let's use MSAA, but that's not enough, so we use some temporal data, but we can't use too much or it blurs the shit out of the image & has ghosting, but if we do post-processing it is too blurry"
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so they had to legit just... use everything
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btw @Egdarska are you excited for reprojection when/if it happens
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meow
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perhaps
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i don't know how good it will be on a normal full fov screen
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but for certain games it could be good
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I feel like if there's a company that can make it work
6:48 AM
it's NVIDIA
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i still love this game as an example of cryengine 3
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:49 AM
or apple, ironically
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because it clearly looks like an xbone launch title
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frame gen is sick, but it has an input lag penalty - but it shows what AI can hallucinate with good data
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but it also shows advanced techniques that didn't become common until way later
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Egdarska
i still love this game as an example of cryengine 3
this is insanely sharp
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GoldenX86_64
or apple, ironically
I dunno
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Apple is very much focused on iOS, and I don't see them having the compute for it soon lol
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while NVIDIA can like
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just leverage Tensor™️
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have you seen the reshade motion extimation shaders?
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if we go off compute per transistor, you basically have:
  • CPUs (low density, lots of resources spent on keeping these very scarce resources fed on overly complex workloads)
  • GPUs (medium density, lots of resources, but they are still quite general purpose)
  • Tensors (high density, an order of magnitude more compute, easily - but extremely hard to leverage)
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Egdarska
have you seen the reshade motion extimation shaders?
nope
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they "work"
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i have seen so many people say FSR2 proves that DLSS doesn't need tensor cores
6:52 AM
and it's such a cope
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lol
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like, @Egdarska you wanna laugh at something?
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yeah, those vectors are crappy, you need insane quality levels to make them acceptable and that tanks performance
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my 2060 super has more Tensor Compute™️ available than the 7900 XTX has any compute (edited)
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lol
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it's insanely hard to leverage it, of course
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you need to write the code to live inside caches
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i bet those temporal reshade effects could be really good if they could use rtx hardware
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the OFA stuff?
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yeah
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NVIDIA has an SDK
6:53 AM
you can use it
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can you distribute it?
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it's likely that just nobody has done it yet 😛
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Egdarska
can you distribute it?
I think so
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maybe it's too hard idk
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maybe reshade's hooks don't allow for the logic needed
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the one i used was mcfly's motion estimation, there's a pseudo "taa" that can be used naively on any game
6:55 AM
but it doesn't have jitter so it mostly helps with stuff like grass
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yeah one of the first things im doing if i get free time + a 40 series gpu
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is to do try to do OFA on more shit
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and it's blurry as fuck, but like, in some games that's preferable
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and see what temporal algorithms do with it
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i hate shimmery as fuck grass
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i love grass
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you super sample it and it just looks shimmery but in 4k
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the reason i love grass is that its the thing that fuckTAA always ignores
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lol
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you see people say
6:56 AM
"broo this game did it so much better"
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>look at youtube gameplay, at 1440p, at compressed 720p
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>grass still shimmers
6:57 AM
yeah fam i don't think it did
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i don't know if i'd been able to enjoy dragon quest 11 if it wasn't for the fact that you can force taa, even if it's kinda broken
6:57 AM
lemme grab a video real quick
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also, i've seen the batman games as "proof games looked better"
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lol
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but i've yet to see the game running Native Resolution without a fuckton of aliasing
6:57 AM
and doesn't that also have TAA?
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it's ue3 so
6:58 AM
it's too old
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its just like
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but it uses deferred rendering so you can't use msaa lmao
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I can accept aliasing in simpler geometry
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you could in the older ones
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arkham knight, which is the one used as example, is an ue3 game where they modified the engine a lot to make it more "modern"
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exio4
I can accept aliasing in simpler geometry
if you have simple geometry, aliasing is lowkey part of the charm
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yeah, and you can smaa it away
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but on modern games... just no
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give up
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lol
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smaa on foliage is kinda not good
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also, most games only do color smaa, not depth
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so foliage is basically untouched
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iirc crytek's cares for a lot of things there
7:00 AM
but still, there's a whole ass generation of games where you check them and they always have aliasing
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you render them at 8K and its like
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still aliased somehow
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👍
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specially early pbr games
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have you seen alien isolation, the original release?
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they used taa and smaat2x, and both look shit, because they're done after the barrel distortion
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they fixed it for the switch release, so it unironically looks better than the ps4/pc version
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and they never backported it
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i'm not in the camp that taa is objectively the best thing to have ever happened to gaming, i just think that people are crazy in thinking you can just not use TAA for the games we've got now
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if we want the games we've got today/last decade, rendering them at "proper resolutions" is deranged
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I turned off AA on cyberpunk
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cranked the settings up, so they are on the highest resolution
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rendered at 4K, downsampled to 1080p
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and it was more aliased than 540p
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and you had similar fine detail in still shoots
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with less aliasing
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yeah, dlss performance, from 540p, didnt look great
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but it also had my gpu running at like 50%, using 100W and running at 80+ fps
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while 4K to 1080p ran at 15
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👍
7:04 AM
and this was an anti-aliasing comparison
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The MaiMai P126 is a vehicle manufactured by Makigai in Cyberpunk 2077. This variant of the base model has an improved horse power and maximum speed for longer travels. The most visible...
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the car has those thin lines on the back
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when i tried it, 1080p + DLSS Performance resolved them better than 4K (AA off) downsampled to 1080p
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when i change the quality to 2 that's what the game originally looks like with fxaa
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
just supersample
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lel
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exio4
the car has those thin lines on the back
this is fucking funny, i've gotten so used to them that they're the benchmark i use for when i've gone too far with upscaling
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:08 AM
i think ive just never seen any actual good anti-aliasing in my life cuz i really do not like most anti-aliasing techniques, especially shit like FXAA
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exio4
the car has those thin lines on the back
dlss is amazing at resolving tiny details that don't even fully show in the raw render
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did i show you those re4 screens with the rails?
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i think ive just never seen any actual good anti-aliasing in my life cuz i really do not like most anti-aliasing techniques, especially shit like FXAA
if you can experience DLAA
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they're just blobs in the shot with no AA
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it's peak anti-aliasing right now
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exio4
if you can experience DLAA
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:09 AM
at like 30mbps on GeForce Now 💀
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LukeTheVideoGamer
at like 30mbps on GeForce Now 💀
F
7:09 AM
know anybody with an RTX card?
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IRL
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exio4
nope
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:10 AM
one person but i don't have their contact because they're actually my mom's friend's husband
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look at those rails on the top left
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slip into their dms and rizz them up for a demo
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more like near leon's head to the left
7:10 AM
they're just unconnected black spots in the raw render
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uhh that looks quite blurry blown up on my screen
7:11 AM
wait
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and that's dlss quality, so 720p vs the raw 1080p render
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just saw the res
7:11 AM
nvm
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LukeTheVideoGamer
one person but i don't have their contact because they're actually my mom's friend's husband
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:11 AM
(he did actually lmk one time if i had the money he'd sell me his old 2080 Ti and first gen Threadripper platform, separately, but that was like two years ago now)
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720p is less than half the pixels
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iirc
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its funny
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yeah
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45% or something
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resolution is crazy
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LukeTheVideoGamer
(he did actually lmk one time if i had the money he'd sell me his old 2080 Ti and first gen Threadripper platform, separately, but that was like two years ago now)
nah, no need to buy the rig
7:12 AM
i mostly mean to check dlaa
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going from 100% vertical resolution to 90% is like 20% less pixels
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i personally never use dlaa, i'm poor tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:12 AM
isn't half the pixel count of 1080p like 810p or some shit
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resolution is weird
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exio4
nah, no need to buy the rig
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:13 AM
nah i know, just an anecdotal comment
meowPatPat 1
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also, i need more monitors
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ideally like 7
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F
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:13 AM
i ended up personally passing on the 2080 Ti since it was apparently an AIO liquid cooled variant and i am not a fan of liquid cooling.
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exio4
ideally like 7
GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:14 AM
laptop, mac, phone, monitor, tv, deck, you're not that far off
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GoldenX86_64
laptop, mac, phone, monitor, tv, deck, you're not that far off
no, thats the thing
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i want all of them, at once
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the native taa at 1080p lol
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for development
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literally the same frame rate as dlaa
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Egdarska
the native taa at 1080p lol
i dont need to zoom in to see how it like
7:14 AM
???? the detail
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:14 AM
native taa
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i have been rizzed by tech bob ross tho
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bryan catanzaro ❤️
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Bryan Catanzaro is vice president of Applied Deep Learning Research at NVIDIA, where he leads a team finding new ways to use AI to improve projects ranging from language understanding to computer…
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dlaa
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you need to see this shit in motion tho, the native taa is cursed
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don't tell he ain't rizzin you with his ai-enhanced ray tracing
7:16 AM
i hope he's the next nvidia CEO
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:16 AM
i honestly just wish that these fuckin nvidia GPUs were more accessible in the $200-$270 range new and not be an actually utter dogshit RTX 3050
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yeah its sad that rn nvidia basically has not really focused on the lower end market
7:17 AM
anything below mid-range is just "buy used lol"
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:17 AM
because like, they're good cards with good silicon! i just think there aren't any good entry level options for me, which leaves me with ARC and Radeon
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or yea
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Arc/Radeon if you can deal with ~the quirks~
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:18 AM
i love quirks they piss me off but in the same way a really tough puzzle pisses me off
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once i figure it out, all my anger and stress just vanishes
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the quirk is image quality being worse
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i can't do basic tasks because of hardware issues lol, so quirky
7:18 AM
arc is the best option right now without a doubt
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for low end
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exio4
the quirk is image quality being worse
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:19 AM
if i can live with DLSS (or FSR!) 1080p over GeForce Now i can live with 1080p FSR Quality locally
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i use xess on my deck
7:19 AM
fsr2 is fine for some games
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but if it fucks up, it fucks up hard
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xess is way more graceful (edited)
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REngine's character rendering tho
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XeSS/DLSS failing to upscale is "it looks blurry"
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ringo looking scruffy as fuck
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:20 AM
FSR2 is like TAA the implementation usually sucks dick but when it doesn't, it's a solid alternative to less accessible methods
7:20 AM
XeSS DP4a runs on almost anything modern
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and it's a giant leap in IQ
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over FSR2
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fsr2 is only "good" if you literally can't run anything else
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first XeSS version ran like shit tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:20 AM
that's true, but i have played exactly one game that actually has XesS DP4a and it was Spider-Man Miles Morales
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yeah, DLSS is the standard
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if you have an ue4/5 game, the native upsampling will be better
7:21 AM
than fsr2
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UE4 is a bit of a wash
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older UE4 exists
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exio4
UE4 is a bit of a wash
you can force ue5 tsr
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yeah, i meant more like games after 4.26
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:21 AM
TSR got backported to UE4 with 4.26
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tsr is fire
7:21 AM
i've only tried it on deck tho
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r.TemporalAA.Algorithm
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:22 AM
it's how persona fans actually got good image quality when Atlus fucked up the settings menu in Persona 3 Reload 🙂
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and r.TemporalAA.Upsampling
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the biggest thing either way, is that all upscalers offer a tradeoff
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put both on 1 and it's ue5 upsampling, almost
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+ Image Quality - Lower Perf gains (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's how persona fans actually got good image quality when Atlus fucked up the settings menu in Persona 3 Reload 🙂
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:22 AM
(forced TAA by default btw, no in-game option to disable it)
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it's still not as good, but way better than fsr2
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unless you're on NVIDIA/Intel, and DLSS/XeSS XMX are your options
7:23 AM
which are extremely cheap compared to their IQ
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no context posting
7:24 AM
i used to laugh at dlss because i first experienced dlss1
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now i just turn it on whenever it's available
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and look for a mod when it isn't
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LukeTheVideoGamer
(forced TAA by default btw, no in-game option to disable it)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:25 AM
Persona 3 Reload is honestly a horrible port in terms of PC configuration. like, no joke, that menu has exactly three options of note: resolution scale (increments of 25%, between 50% and 200%), shadow quality (Low, Medium, High, no Off), and Reflections On/Off. oh, and if your GPU supports DXR, it defaults to using raytraced reflections, even if you want SSR for the better performance. why. thank god UE4 has good config file configuration
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japanese devs using ue4 be like
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if you want ssr for better performance on a game like persona you bought the wrong gpu brand tbf
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Egdarska
japanese devs using ue4 be like
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:26 AM
nah, Octopath Traveler II uses UE4.27 just like Persona 3 Reload, and was developed by a Japanese dev, Square Enix, and that settings menu is LEAGUES better
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it's octopath traveler tho
7:26 AM
it's not like it needs settings
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exio4
if you want ssr for better performance on a game like persona you bought the wrong gpu brand tbf
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:26 AM
if i want SSR for better performance in a game like Persona it's because I have a GTX 1660 Ti and it for some fucking reason supports DXR on the driver level.
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(luckily i have a 1650 so im spared from RT)
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doesn't the dxr layer have to be enabled manually
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also wack
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i enable ssr high quality, ssgi, and gtao just to piss off exio
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:27 AM
no joke, i legit have seen people with GTX 1660 Supers and Tis play P3R on launch day and think "hmm, the performance is rather bad!" only to find out that IT DEFAULTED TO RAY TRACED REFLECTIONS
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again, thank god for config file editing, since you can at least force SSR through there.
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i didnt know they did that on 16 series gpus
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my bad
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i have seen complaints on rdna2 tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:29 AM
i think it also effected GTX 1080 and 1080 Ti users since im pretty sure those cards also got DXR in a driver update a few years back, so yeah that's FUN.
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i'm just sad
7:30 AM
i legit had copium, rdna3 was the architecture rework; 5+ years after turing
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they had seen turing happen
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:30 AM
persona 3 reload doesn't have the best performance on PC in the first place (though i never had any trouble, ironically enough) so low end cards with minimal RT support getting decimated even further is not fun to watch
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and they still didn't put even half-baked matrix cores on it, and their RT throughput is lower than goddamn turing
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like the fuck
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turing ??? is better architecturally????
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its fucking retro by now
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:31 AM
honestly i think radeon users are huffing that copium in hope of the radeon division finally getting their Zen moment
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:31 AM
fun one, had turbo disabled, 54° enabled it since i'm plugged in and i can use the extra ghz, 75°
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turn down ur fans
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:32 AM
it's not even noisy
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exio4
i legit had copium, rdna3 was the architecture rework; 5+ years after turing
you forgot the amd factor
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GoldenX86_64
it's not even noisy
no, for power consumption
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RDNA4 for sure
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if you disable boost, keep your fans at the lowest speed
7:32 AM
fix them there, and let it go to 70 ish degrees
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next year will be the year of competent amd gpus, linux desktop, and switch 2 release
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it'll use a bit more on leakage, but fans are an insane overhead if they run too much
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:33 AM
the fan turns off on its own, with boost off it doesn't need the fan
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Moonlacer
RDNA4 for sure
from what we know, rdna5 is the one™️
7:33 AM
rdna4 is iterative
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rdna5 is when microsoft told amd to fuck off and git gud
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Moonlacer
RDNA4 for sure
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:33 AM
RTX 50-series is gonna have to be extremely bad, or RDNA4 to be extremely great, if AMD wants to survive to next console gen
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:33 AM
rdna4 bette bring some sort of software stack to the taable
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LukeTheVideoGamer
RTX 50-series is gonna have to be extremely bad, or RDNA4 to be extremely great, if AMD wants to survive to next console gen
that's the funniest thing, amd doesn't even need to be great
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they just have to be competent and cheap
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like, not even "competent", just not shit, and priced accordingly (edited)
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Spent all their money with RDNA3 on chiplet design, lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:34 AM
that's true, that's why im considering a 6800 or 7700 XT over any 40-series GPU :)
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(or preferably, buy 30-series used on a discount if i can)
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i have other needs, so i really need them to be not shit
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i'm only gonna consider them when they're an upgrade over my current gpu
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:34 AM
if you have the money for a 30 or 40 series, pick that kek
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It was very evident when their top of the line card only saw about a 25-30% boost in performance over the last generation (edited)
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any year now, only been waiting for 10
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exio4
i'm only gonna consider them when they're an upgrade over my current gpu
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:35 AM
see you in 2032
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:35 AM
the rtx finewine train ain't stopping so far
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that's the joke, by 2032 amd will have caught up to 2022 nvidia
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I almost waited until the refresh until I saw all the issues with RDNA3
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:36 AM
i honestly think that 40-series has exactly one decent value GPU right now: the 4070 Ti. everything else is either completely underperforming, overpriced, or in one particularly awful case, both
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i know it won't happen, but it would be hilarious if nvidia came out with generic dlss framegen of lower quality for older rtx cards
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:36 AM
sorry not the 4070 Ti
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I waited until the refresh on RDNA2, partly because I wanted the absolute maximum performance that would fit in my case, and also because GPUs were unobtainium during most of it's lifespan
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:36 AM
The 4070 Super
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fuck you Nvidia
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like, imagine rtx framegen as shit as fsr3, but it works on any rtx card
7:36 AM
exio playing cyberpunk at 480p 80fps on a 2060 (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:37 AM
so basically, an RTX equivalent to Fluid Motion Frames
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"80FPS" or 80FPS?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:37 AM
both simultaneously
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it's got reflex so kinda halfway
7:38 AM
he plays on a steamdeck, fake frames won't bother him
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Egdarska
exio playing cyberpunk at 480p 80fps on a 2060 (edited)
i'm doing dlss performance + fsr3 at 1440p
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i'm reflex bottlenecked
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the display is 120 hz
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and reflex doesn't let you go over 120 hz
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so
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:38 AM
i just wish there were easier ways to obtain shitty cheap frame gen on my shitty cheap GPU
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don't even gotta look good just gotta work ❗
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so fsr3
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:39 AM
i have a total of ZERO games with FSR3 support
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If only it worked on your game™️
7:40 AM
Introducing AFMF
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:40 AM
apparently the Lossless Scaling app has some shitty framegen built in but the app's $8 im not spending $8 on Frame Gen
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i use the mod
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LukeTheVideoGamer
apparently the Lossless Scaling app has some shitty framegen built in but the app's $8 im not spending $8 on Frame Gen
it's shit anyway
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there's a free mod for fsr3 on 20/30 series gpus
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Once it gets VSync support and an intensity slider, AFMF will be my preference
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Egdarska
it's shit anyway
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:40 AM
wow no way the shitty frame gen implementation is shit 🤯
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exio4
there's a free mod for fsr3 on 20/30 series gpus
the game i mostly wanted it for, rat game 2, has camera update locked to 60fps
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Egdarska
the game i mostly wanted it for, rat game 2, has camera update locked to 60fps
F?
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unless you're getting perfect frametimes it's a stutery mess
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Egdarska
the game i mostly wanted it for, rat game 2, has camera update locked to 60fps
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:41 AM
WHAT
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THATS UNACCEPTABLE
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basically the only dumb thing asobo did
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if you get perfect 120fps it looks fine because the camera is just jumping every 2 frames, but lol
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i hate adhd
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im built different (wrong)
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also, exio have you seen asobo's previous games developed? lol
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it's quite a list
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the quality went up a bit after some time
7:47 AM
toy story 3 slapped though
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i didnt play fancy games back then
7:47 AM
i had an intel atom netbook
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i kinda missed a big chunk of gaming shit
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they did this on the wii
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:48 AM
aside from the CPU my current computer is the most powerful one ive ever had
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it's not quite shin'en level, but it's kinda impressive
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my most powerful computer is my laptop (edited)
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sad
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mine too
7:48 AM
i don't have a desktop anymore
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my desktop is so cringe
7:48 AM
i unironically dislike it
7:49 AM
5800x for web shit (work) is insanely slow next to apple silicon
7:49 AM
i have better performance on battery saver mode than the 5800x overclocked ???
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:49 AM
i prefer desktops, since i can just as easily buy all the parts i need and assemble it myself, at the cost of power consumption, being stationary, and not having a built in display, keyboard, mouse, or microphone, but damn is the performance ever better than an equivalent priced (brand new) laptop
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this laptop wins 0 awards in price/$
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negative awards at best
7:50 AM
still a sick machine
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:50 AM
apple silicon would be way cooler to me if the GPUs actually got good (or if they let me USE MY OWN)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i prefer desktops, since i can just as easily buy all the parts i need and assemble it myself, at the cost of power consumption, being stationary, and not having a built in display, keyboard, mouse, or microphone, but damn is the performance ever better than an equivalent priced (brand new) laptop
maybe now
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although i don't know, if you're willing to slum it with amd cards maybe
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LukeTheVideoGamer
apple silicon would be way cooler to me if the GPUs actually got good (or if they let me USE MY OWN)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:52 AM
look im sorry but you can put in as many features as u like but if a 3060 can outdo a $4000 macbook pro in gaming im not considering the graphics good on a mac
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Good luck getting the game to run on Mac
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bruh
7:52 AM
Shop the Alienware 18" high performance Gaming Laptop at Dell. Breathtaking, awe-inspiring visuals are made possible with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 Series graphics.
7:53 AM
$2800 for a laptop with an amd card
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macbooks are cringe as fuck for gaming
7:53 AM
but if you bring up compute
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what's the target demo here?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:53 AM
i mean, some solid enough ports are finally actually coming out of the woodworks... but not nearly enough for me to consider actually using Apple Silicon daily.
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Egdarska
what's the target demo here?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:53 AM
Dell Alienware fans with too much money
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LukeTheVideoGamer
Dell Alienware fans with too much money
not even
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lol
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exio4
but if you bring up compute
macOS + Apple Silicon has better compatibility than AMD
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and it uh
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outperforms the XTX at times
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That 4070 being $800 cheaper makes no sense
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Lemme see how the config changes
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exio4
but if you bring up compute
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:54 AM
compute is good im not denying that at all, shit's like 90W maximum with equivalent compute to shit that draws like 800W
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unless it solves the issues with amd being useless for anything other than gaming it's not worth it
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AMD knocked it out of the park with its Ryzen series of mobile CPUs, but there's no question that its discrete mobile GPUs have been falling behind. The Radeon RX 7900M rights the ship by being just as powerful as the mobile RTX 4080 for hundreds of dollars less.
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No way they ship a configuration with RAID 0
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i know this is "cringe to bring up"
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but
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:55 AM
i am unfortunately a very simple minded creature however. if my FPSes in video games, any of them, is worse than what i can get with a good laptop or desktop from not Apple, i will just fucking get that other laptop or desktop
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i am unfortunately a very simple minded creature however. if my FPSes in video games, any of them, is worse than what i can get with a good laptop or desktop from not Apple, i will just fucking get that other laptop or desktop
thats fine
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Moonlacer
Lemme see how the config changes
cpu, 7845h instead of 7895h
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the amd laptop is uh
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but lol, why would they put the better cpu on the amd card?
7:55 AM
and it's overkill anyway
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i know, battery life, on a gaming laptop - is conceptually "cringe"
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exio4
thats fine
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:56 AM
it sucks because i love ARM and RISC processors! and i really do like macOS, all of its weird quirks aside! it just can't game to the same degree that better PC laptops or desktops can (and i squarely blame apple)
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Not worth $800 more for that config
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but the intel+nvidia version is doing 3x the battery life
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May just be Dellalienware pricing, though
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you can actually get a few hours in a pinch on the intel laptop
7:56 AM
3-4 hours? not impossible
7:56 AM
just don't use the dGPU
7:57 AM
it's really bad for 97Wh but like, it's fine, if you have to go between "sessions", or use it for web browsing/office shit
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3 hours is good enough™️ (not for me, but for the device)
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seems about right
7:57 AM
iirc it also got delisted in some markets
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 7:57 AM
Apple Silicon MacBooks are actually, unironically, the closest thing to my ideal all-rounder computer, its LITERALLY just gaming that holds it back for me
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apple silicon is cringe for value
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There isn't an Apple alternative for nearly every app I use
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i just don't get how it fails to run the hip benchmark (edited)
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i love it, but its conceptually stupid to build a massive ass die, run it at 40W, and call it a day
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Their laptops are efficiency beasts, there's no doubt about it
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for value
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i know driver differences and whatever, but if it runs on a vega 8
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Maybe with Qualcomm on Windows machines we will see
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the best combo rn is a nvidia desktop + mac laptop
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if you have money
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(i don't)
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They better have a banging x86 to ARM compatibility layer, though
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qualcomm on windows will be shit value
7:59 AM
there's a level of insanity around the PC community as if "try" you can get an apple silicon competitor without ruining value lol (edited)
7:59 AM
delusional takes go to r/amd i thought
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i still can't get over that laptop
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they sent it for review to outlets
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non-working
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you should have said it's an AMD laptop
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Moonlacer
They better have a banging x86 to ARM compatibility layer, though
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:01 AM
it's... existent.
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but on the other hand i had completely forgotten that mobile gpu exists
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:01 AM
it works, sometimes
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it's no Rosetta
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WoA got a decent layer nowadays iirc
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Egdarska
but on the other hand i had completely forgotten that mobile gpu exists
it's better left forgotten
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:01 AM
it's pretty decent, but don't expect the best performance or compatibility
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It'll have to get good soon when QC starts pushing chips out
8:02 AM
First generation will probably be terrible, of course
8:02 AM
Look at the 8G1
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:02 AM
i think apple and microsoft should allow windows on arm to run on apple silicon #imo
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apple doesn't disallow it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:02 AM
but they also don't explicitly allow it either :9
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they don't need to
8:03 AM
the bootloader is unlocked
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they need to rizz apple to provide drivers/docu
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that's the hard part
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lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:03 AM
well, that, and also make sure it can actually, y'know, BOOT the damn thing in the first place too
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even if you could, a lot of the Apple Magic™️ is a fuckton of software hacks
8:03 AM
they won't port their DSP to windows
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Apple won't even willingly allow sideloading, so that's never happening
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they never did in the bootcamp era
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just reverse engineer it, how complex can the chips be? smug
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intel macbooks sound like shit on windows
8:04 AM
switch to macOS and they get a glow up and now outperform the rest of the industry to this day
8:04 AM
(speakers)
8:04 AM
macbooks running intel was never a sane idea to begin with
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microsoft needs to go back to the days of deliding and tracing the transistors by hand
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Running Intel in a laptop was never sane
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should be done by 2130
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Moonlacer
Running Intel in a laptop was never sane
what were the alternatives?
8:05 AM
AMD's APUs?
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exio4
macbooks running intel was never a sane idea to begin with
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:05 AM
eh, it made sense back when it was first starting out. better performance per watt than PPC. there was never a G5 PowerBook or iBook, and then bam Core (2) Duo MacBooks!
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i kinda liked how the macs used to look, the white ones with the motorized dvd slots
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LukeTheVideoGamer
eh, it made sense back when it was first starting out. better performance per watt than PPC. there was never a G5 PowerBook or iBook, and then bam Core (2) Duo MacBooks!
I meant windows on intel macs
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:06 AM
ah ic
8:06 AM
yeah i agree
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well, somewhat
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Intel was decent a long time ago in laptops
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:06 AM
sometimes it's nice having two OSes with different software and needs
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lets go some work music
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Moonlacer
Intel was decent a long time ago in laptops
they already match phoenix
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exio4
lets go some work music
why is messi in a band?
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meteor lake has similar battery life
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:08 AM
imo they're still behind in IGP performance compared to Phoenix (but when you're up against something more recent than Vega, you're already kinda screwed in the first place in the IGP space)
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i love the pc market i love the pc market i love the pc market
8:08 AM
i love the pc market
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We don't talk about Vega here
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vega is already EOL
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:08 AM
quicksync at least makes up for it when it comes to video on Intel
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just don't even touch it
8:09 AM
it's display adapter territory
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exio4
vega is already EOL
imagine being buried and you're not even dead yet
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:09 AM
the zombie arch
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if you need to run games on it, cope and seethe and buy a better computer
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exio4
it's display adapter territory
With DirectX updates kek
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:09 AM
b-but.... muh $50 cheap aliexpress RX 580 ☹
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LukeTheVideoGamer
b-but.... muh $50 cheap aliexpress RX 580 ☹
that's polaris
8:09 AM
not even vega
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Same boat there
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yeah they're all EOL
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:10 AM
ah rite, but still no drivers
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But they still sell Vega products, is the issue
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the age old amd conundrum
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Moonlacer
But they still sell Vega products, is the issue
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:10 AM
5500GT‼️
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I consider Hardware without mainline first party software support e-waste
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that's my rule in life
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if the vendor i'm buying the hardware from doesn't offer me proper software support
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it's e-waste
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:11 AM
main reason i gave my rx 550 the moment the eol driver arrived
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exio4
I consider Hardware without mainline first party software support e-waste
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:11 AM
wait so my iMac G4 is e-waste...? 🥹
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LukeTheVideoGamer
wait so my iMac G4 is e-waste...? 🥹
it's fine to have retro gear to mess with
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or if you have an older device still kicking in
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So the same thing with Intel and their UHD 630 stuff. It may not be new stuff, but they still produce those 10-11th gen CPUs like crazy on the lower end
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:11 AM
we had an user yesterday asking about games failing to run on their intel igpu, the laptop was from 2022, the igpu was a gen9.5...
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:12 AM
imo short of it just literally no longer functioning on a fundamental hardware level, there is no such thing as e-waste
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that is why I specifically it was a personal rule
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:12 AM
thats fair
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I won't spend money on hardware without software
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money is hard to earn
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i'm not elon musk
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GoldenX86_64
we had an user yesterday asking about games failing to run on their intel igpu, the laptop was from 2022, the igpu was a gen9.5...
Wait for Dozen™️
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it depends on what kind of software for me
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Moonlacer
Wait for Dozen™️
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:13 AM
dozen !? ryzen competition ....... /J
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i'd personally buy a 3060 12G over any AMD gpu, for example
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any
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i'm fine with something not receiving feature updates
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but buying something like an amd card which at the best of times doesn't even have that software support is dumb for me
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:13 AM
ehhh, new prices for the 3060 are kinda trash, i would only do it if i was looking at used prices
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that's the joke
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:14 AM
im the kinda person stubborn enough to try and run Windows XP on a 2012 iMac, driver support does not faze me
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at this point not having a proper compute stack is not even an enthusiast thing
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ampere has better encoders than rdna3
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He'd seriously take a 3060 12GB over a 7900 XTX
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yes, I would
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it's infinitely more useful if you actually need it
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:14 AM
used prices, ampere is the way new prices, ada if viable, else rdna2/3
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3060 would have better screen recordings, it'd run more LLMs
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:14 AM
vram matters, now that 1080p eats more than 10gb
8:15 AM
the joke is that I'd rather play with low textures
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i don't even know what amd runs for denoising in the viewport, the intel denoiser?
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than deal with AMD shit
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i've tried using my friend's RX 6600 XT for a bit
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not long ago
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because you can't beat optix for snappiness
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it was a mediocre experience at the best of times
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optix is amazing even on pascal
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I unironically never thought RDNA2 could be this bad for ANYTHING but pure RASTER
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like holy shit
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i knew the compute overhead of xess was bad on the deck
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but upscaling to 800p is lightweight enough
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try upscaling to 1440p with XeSS and the RX 6600 XT dies
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it just dies
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exio4
I unironically never thought RDNA2 could be this bad for ANYTHING but pure RASTER
lol, did you know you can change settings in blender to get rid of all the "bias"
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Egdarska
lol, did you know you can change settings in blender to get rid of all the "bias"
nope
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performance drops a lot on nvidia, but on amd it's hilarious
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:16 AM
thankfully i primarily game, and for FPSes in all the games i have (i have exactly two RT capable games on my computer) RDNA2 is just fine :3
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also, @GoldenX86_64 you tried LM Studio
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do you want to remind me what performance you got?
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Jensenthumb
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:16 AM
no contest there, but i don't expect to buy rdna2 for llama
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same for blender
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yeah, that's the joke
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like, run a render with HDRi lighting without importance sampling and high bounce numbers
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:17 AM
if you need blender or llama, you don't buy amd or intel
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you're buying a very fast horse
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it's like turning on path tracing on an rdna1 card
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and getting it into a race track
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:17 AM
it's like turning on path tracing on a Super Nintendo--oh, wait
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a goddamn e-up! will outrun your horse, i'm sorry
8:17 AM
3060 > XTX for what I use my pc for
8:18 AM
it's insane that this is even a possibility ???
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:18 AM
XTX >> any 60-class GPU for what i use my computer for (i will be CPU bottlenecked either way)
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:18 AM
cuda baby, 15 years of work on it vs "meh, opencl is good enough"
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it isn't just cuda
8:18 AM
it's the hardware
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17*
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it's bulldozer
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:18 AM
no, but it's the basis of it
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yeah, sure
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but you can't finewine bulldozer (edited)
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it's a broken design
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inherently wrong
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watch me
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my fucking 2060 super TECHNICALLY has better throughput of INT8/INT4 than an XTX
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2060 super
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i want a 4090 just so i can submit a log with it and a 6300
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FUCKING 2060 SUPER WHAT THE FUCK?
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:19 AM
if you measure the intelligence of a fish by asking it to climb a tree...
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that's not an excuse lol
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it's a modern gpu
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Stupid fish
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it should do modern gpu shit
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:20 AM
it's not, but you're also asking for a gold standard that only nvidia provides, you answer yourself
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RDNA2 was "fine" to me, because it was a stepping stone; the copium got to me and I thought RDNA3 was gonna be the shit
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it's not, but you're also asking for a gold standard that only nvidia provides, you answer yourself
apple reached good enough levels of compatibility
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in <2 years
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for their own silicon
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been waiting so long to get rid of nvidia, we almost saw the light
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and then amd did an amd
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:21 AM
ehh it still sucks ass at gaming
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PyTorch runs out of the box
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yeah, I know, I mean the things AMD is bad at
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unironically, IIRC macOS + AMD is a better experience than using it on other OSes
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for compute
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but the hardware is just bad
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:21 AM
while amd is still second place in 3d drivers, it will remain relevant the moment intel overtakes them there, it's joever for su
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RDNA4 will be good with chiplet V2 (We hope)
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AMD takes a second place in raster because there's only 2 vendors that even get there
8:22 AM
it's like saying Bulldozer is the second place in the x86 market
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👍 ok
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And yes, ROCm and HIP development is in overdrive
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NVIDIA isn't slowing down though
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They understand that without those they have no future in AI
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they just did TensorLLM not long ago lol
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the worst part for me about amd gpus is that they give us hope sometimes
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Egdarska
the worst part for me about amd gpus is that they give us hope sometimes
yea
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Moonlacer
They understand that without those they have no future in AI
GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:23 AM
as always, same as linux, 10 years late to the party kek
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:23 AM
imho i think AI is dumb and stupid and no one should be buying CONSUMER graphics cards for it if they really want to use it
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like, remember the ryzen 1 launch?, it had issues, but it was a legitimate leap over bulldozer
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like it wasn't even close
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and then it kept getting better
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imho i think AI is dumb and stupid and no one should be buying CONSUMER graphics cards for it if they really want to use it
this makes no sense
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the gpu division has moments of near competency and then just squanders it
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and it feels bad
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a lot of shit around one's computer can be enhanced with machine learning crap
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:23 AM
where's your h100 farming farm exio, shame on you
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GoldenX86_64
where's your h100 farming farm exio, shame on you
one day
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GoldenX86_64
as always, same as linux, 10 years late to the party kek
Good FOSS AI stuff Soon™️ kek
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exio4
a lot of shit around one's computer can be enhanced with machine learning crap
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:24 AM
agree but everyone's just using it to fucking run LLMs and image generator programs that are shit
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LukeTheVideoGamer
agree but everyone's just using it to fucking run LLMs and image generator programs that are shit
ok and
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how?
8:24 AM
you do know they only got to where they are because of consumer gpus?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:25 AM
there's a god damn 4090 shortage happening cuz of the AI boom i don't think that's cool!!!!
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that's like saying people should just game on i5 and ryzen 5 cpus because the higher numbers are for working
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:25 AM
it's the same shit as the last two crypto mining booms except i hate it even more
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this is what Apple does on their phones
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with machine learning
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it's dumb
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:26 AM
i am okay with TRADITIONAL uses of AI and machine learning but the moment you try to implement large language models or image generation into the mix you lose me immediately
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LukeTheVideoGamer
there's a god damn 4090 shortage happening cuz of the AI boom i don't think that's cool!!!!
so you can't buy the 4090 you wanted because of ai?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:26 AM
shit went from unobtanium to "don't even think about it"
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there's also the fact that the number of people buying gpus exclusively for ai shit is minimal
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most people do it aside from gaming
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kinda like how people run other programs other than games
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(right click => copy subject, runs on the NPU)
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on-device machine learning
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exio4
(right click => copy subject, runs on the NPU)
>hair nice try machine
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Egdarska
>hair nice try machine
ikr
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roto artists won't starve any time soon
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 8:27 AM
sad news, nvidia no longer cares about geforce, the 4090 is an ai product at a discount
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it's good enough for whatsapp stickers tho
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sad news, nvidia no longer cares about geforce, the 4090 is an ai product at a discount
nvidia cares about geforce, it's just not the main focus
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if we count this level of "care" as not caring, then AMD doesn't care about radeon
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lol, i was going to say
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their "not caring" is so much better than amd's best effort i guess
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(right click => copy subject, runs on the NPU)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:29 AM
are you fucking dense i have explained FIVE TIMES what i am okay with and what i am not okay with do i need to spell it out THIS SHIT, shit like THIS shit that AI has traditionally been GOOD AT i am OKAY WITH shit like ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion, in my opinion, needs to be sent to the depths of hell never to be seen again.
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mood
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LukeTheVideoGamer
are you fucking dense i have explained FIVE TIMES what i am okay with and what i am not okay with do i need to spell it out THIS SHIT, shit like THIS shit that AI has traditionally been GOOD AT i am OKAY WITH shit like ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion, in my opinion, needs to be sent to the depths of hell never to be seen again.
why?
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also traditionally lol
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machine learning at this level is not even 10 years old
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LukeTheVideoGamer
are you fucking dense i have explained FIVE TIMES what i am okay with and what i am not okay with do i need to spell it out THIS SHIT, shit like THIS shit that AI has traditionally been GOOD AT i am OKAY WITH shit like ChatGPT or Stable Diffusion, in my opinion, needs to be sent to the depths of hell never to be seen again.
genAI is hella useful for work shit, rotate a picture and autocomplete the missing parts, take a picture and autocomplete it for social media
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actually might be 11, but either way
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like, the field and "techniques", partially, yeah
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but making it viable, it's quite recent
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we went from neural networks needing crazy movie-style super computer clusters to running on a gpu in like a decade
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mostly by accident
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and now we're getting them on phones
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i won't forget rtx voice
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turns out a device that has thousands of little cpus with adhd kinda does the job of giant cpu clusters pretty well
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nvidia had the ship in the R&D labs and with the pandemic pushed it as an app
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exio4
(right click => copy subject, runs on the NPU)
Still looks like garbage
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lol
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on a phone tho
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subject recognition on a phone is wild
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Moonlacer
Still looks like garbage
it's hair, i just picked the latest photo i had that didn't have PII - and this is REAL-TIME, phone-tier object segmentation
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Egdarska
why?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:33 AM
first off: The datasets are typically created through scraping together tons of copyrighted works that realistically these closed source models shouldn't legally have the right to use. i consider that actual copyright infringement and it only hurts the writers and artists that made it in the first place. second off: I have seen exactly TWO cool uses of generative AI: being able to remove or move people or objects in an existing image, or being able to fill in the blank spots of a rotated cropped image. THATS IT!! every other use I've seen has been kinda funny at best or COMPLETELY immoral uses from corporations looking to save a buck at worst, and i am absolutely against any company who uses it as an alternative to human artists for anything creative. take jobs all it wants i don't care, but take the jobs no one actually wants to do
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that's basically the gist of it.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
first off: The datasets are typically created through scraping together tons of copyrighted works that realistically these closed source models shouldn't legally have the right to use. i consider that actual copyright infringement and it only hurts the writers and artists that made it in the first place. second off: I have seen exactly TWO cool uses of generative AI: being able to remove or move people or objects in an existing image, or being able to fill in the blank spots of a rotated cropped image. THATS IT!! every other use I've seen has been kinda funny at best or COMPLETELY immoral uses from corporations looking to save a buck at worst, and i am absolutely against any company who uses it as an alternative to human artists for anything creative. take jobs all it wants i don't care, but take the jobs no one actually wants to do
in your opinion
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exio4
it's hair, i just picked the latest photo i had that didn't have PII - and this is REAL-TIME, phone-tier object segmentation
How amazing is it if it doesn't produce a useful result?
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this is what it does for my controller picture
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We have this tech, but it won't beat traditional methods
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Moonlacer
How amazing is it if it doesn't produce a useful result?
lol, don't you use amd cards?
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Moonlacer
We have this tech, but it won't beat traditional methods
that's the thing though, do that quickly on a phone manually
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this is my laptop
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:34 AM
(also, this isn't "generative" AI, I don't consider it that anyway, it's just simple background removal made more advanced through neural networks)
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ice cream
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Egdarska
that's the thing though, do that quickly on a phone manually
For that to be the end result? I'll pass both ways
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:35 AM
i am fine with 99% of uses of non-generative AI, and i am conversely fine with 1% of uses of generative AI. this is my opinion sure, but it's also an opinion ive seen shared by so, so many other people.
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i dont like genAI taking away jobs
8:36 AM
thats the intersection of machine learning with capitalism
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:36 AM
me neither! and i hope that regulations will be made to actually keep these genAI models and companies in check
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they cant
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the system is broken
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if you start discounting things because of how they turn out because of capitalism, uh
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:36 AM
but this is capitalism we're talking about, no one gives a shit as long as it makes them good money
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Nothing will happen until the governments step in
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:37 AM
"growth for the sake of growth" and all that shit. gragh.
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speaking of intoxication, i didn't know too much cough syrup could make your stomach feel like you're dying
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but, i haven't coughed all day
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the object segmentation, without hair
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works pretty well
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IT HAS EDGES REE
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this is working off a compressed jpeg in <100ms
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honestly my favorite part of ai conversations is people ranting about ai and not realizing all the things they use every day that use ML
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it makes my heart all fuzzy
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I've used it, it just takes very specific conditions to produce a product that doesn't need manual intervention
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same as native resolution gaming
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Moonlacer
I've used it, it just takes very specific conditions to produce a product that doesn't need manual intervention
it still saves a fuckton of time lol
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Egdarska
if you start discounting things because of how they turn out because of capitalism, uh
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:39 AM
personally i think it's valid reasoning to dislike at the very LEAST a small portion of a larger technology because of how it intersects with capitalism. there can be good uses for generative AI, and that's what I've believed since this whole thing started making small splashes a few years ago! but not when it's taking data from copyrighted works, and not when it's threatening the jobs of people who actually like their jobs!
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i agree
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that's not the same as AI IS SHIT
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you're conflating ai with bad ai uses
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"cars are shit, the car manufacturers lobbied to governments to fuck trains"
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exio4
it still saves a fuckton of time lol
Skip that step and just go straight to Photoshop, you'll get a better result there
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:40 AM
also i think genAI just looks like trash most the time lmao but that's just me it's "fine enough" for most people and I accept that
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LukeTheVideoGamer
also i think genAI just looks like trash most the time lmao but that's just me it's "fine enough" for most people and I accept that
you're missing the point
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Moonlacer
Skip that step and just go straight to Photoshop, you'll get a better result there
have you used photoshop on mobile? lol
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genAI from scratch is deranged of a concept
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it's uh, usable i guess
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the best uses of genAI are completing things
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inb4 use a pc
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I'm talking about PC Photoshop
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lmao
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i hate typing on smartphone screens, i'll just type my messages on the pc
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take a photo - expand it to fill an aspect ratio take a piece of code, and find possible ways to "finish" it
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the keyboard is nicer
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almost all of my friend's custom stickers were made with Apple's subject thing
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lol
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exio4
you're missing the point
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:42 AM
sorry, "i think full image AI generation looks like shit" is probably a better statement in this case
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LukeTheVideoGamer
sorry, "i think full image AI generation looks like shit" is probably a better statement in this case
yeah, but the tech is exactly the same
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exio4
take a photo - expand it to fill an aspect ratio take a piece of code, and find possible ways to "finish" it
there was a plugin for blender that would bsically fill in the blanks for your render
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that is why I think saying that AI is shit as a statement makes no sense
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so like if you rendered a subject, you could just generate a studio background and save that step
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i understand where your heart is
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but it's a factually wrong statement
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i don't know if it's still available but it was amazing
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you don't get to say "the internet is shit" because anti-vaxxers talk on it
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exio4
i understand where your heart is
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:43 AM
oh ok so basically you know what i mean by it on at least an emotional level but you disagree with me because of how i worded it
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i personally hate the e/acc movement
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:44 AM
im not fucking Shakespeare im not Albert Einstein tf am i supposed to say to this shit in the heat of the moment
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LukeTheVideoGamer
im not fucking Shakespeare im not Albert Einstein tf am i supposed to say to this shit in the heat of the moment
get urself a new brand of autism
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i propose we cure the e/acc AIbros with this effective medication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine
A guillotine ( GHIH-lə-teen, -⁠loh-) is an apparatus designed for effectively carrying out executions by beheading. The device consists of a tall, upright frame with a weighted and angled blade suspended at the top. The condemned person is secured with a pillory at the bottom of the frame, holding the position of the neck directly below the blad...
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:44 AM
i probably should my current brand is at least 5 years outta date
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luddites have always existed and they haven't won so far so i'm not particularly worried
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Egdarska
luddites have always existed and they haven't won so far so i'm not particularly worried
you mean on regards to e/acc?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:45 AM
oh agreed. i think the people will persevere in the end like they usually do. it's just frightening for me, to see a lot of grifts and actually scary uses of technology get so close to being mass adopted by the public
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the problem is that the e/acc movement is basically all the libertarian rich techbros with so much money that they think it's their duty to create the techno god
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no, on hating any new technology as an instinctual response
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they think any money not spent in developing AGI now is a mistake, as any suffering is minimal against the technical singularity
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they think they'll be the ones running the simulations, but that's the average libertarian by another name anyway
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they also believe technology alone is gonna solve any problems too
8:47 AM
We are told that technology is on the brink of ruining everything. But we are being lied to, and the truth is so much better. Marc Andreessen presents his techno-optimist vision for the future.
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fucking cults
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my main problem with that is that they usually don't really care about "humanity" but their idea of what humanity could be
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Egdarska
my main problem with that is that they usually don't really care about "humanity" but their idea of what humanity could be
no
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other than that, i'd rather have more unrestricted technological advancement than too little
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i'm not against technology development
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i'm against the e/acc movement
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no, on hating any new technology as an instinctual response
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:48 AM
i love new technology but i hate a lot of the first uses of new technology, or at least the vocal minority opinions relating to new technology. for example, "cryptocurrency is the future! it will destabilize the banks as we know it and we can have a truly free decentralized currency!" is a statement that sounds too good to be true, and considering we've gone through two burst bubbles in the last decade alone, it probably was. that stuff, and far more sinister uses of tech, is what im against
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that's different though
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crypto was just a pyramid scheme with new technology
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:49 AM
just an example, and im aware it probably wasn't the greatest example in the world, but i hope it gets my general point across
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my main problem with that is that they usually don't really care about "humanity" but their idea of what humanity could be
there's a growing "part of the cult" - that believes that humanity's well-being is not even "a necessary output"
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IIRC Sama is in that group
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yeah, i'm familiar with them
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some of them took warhammer seriously
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they stand on the point of view that if they create the technological singularity and it means the demise of humanity and new "stage of evolution", that's actually fine, and likely better
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and ya boi elon has a really "grew up in south africa" take on it
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exio4
they stand on the point of view that if they create the technological singularity and it means the demise of humanity and new "stage of evolution", that's actually fine, and likely better
wtf i'm an e/acc now
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Egdarska
wtf i'm an e/acc now
no, that's the thing
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they actively think any damage now
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is irrelevant
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i'm more of a transhumanist than anything
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human body is too limiting
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but it's mostly because i've been dealt a pretty shitty body
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:51 AM
i have a bit of a "transhumanist" view of myself, and i hope that within my lifetime there'll be at least more ethical physical augments made possible through emerging technology (preferably not Neuralink.)
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not talking about the parts that are my fault, just the things that are congenitally broken
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i have a bit of a "transhumanist" view of myself, and i hope that within my lifetime there'll be at least more ethical physical augments made possible through emerging technology (preferably not Neuralink.)
that is already happening
8:52 AM
but we won't be sharing thoughts anytime soon
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:52 AM
oh God i hope not! lmao
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the human body is proof god is not real; otherwise we could easily say they're one of the worst engineers to have ever existed
8:52 AM
maybe we're the AMD of intelligence tho
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i'm always surprised that the spine restoration thing the brits did was not bigger news
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:52 AM
if God made us in His image, then damn he's an ugly bastard
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i actually dont think amd engineers are bad tbh
8:53 AM
just stretched out
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that shit was science fiction when i was a kid
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man, medicine shit is wild
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cochlear implants have gotten to the point where it's almost like having normal hearing
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we're getting dna-personalized therapies already
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Egdarska
i'm always surprised that the spine restoration thing the brits did was not bigger news
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:53 AM
i ain't even hear about that! bro that's actually amazing!
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$$$ and what not yet
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Egdarska
cochlear implants have gotten to the point where it's almost like having normal hearing
i cant wait for cochlear implants
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to become half-standard
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my ears suck so much
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exio4
$$$ and what not yet
live in san diego and the university will pay you to become a guinea pig
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Egdarska
live in san diego and the university will pay you to become a guinea pig
will they cure my adhd
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meow
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they're doing gene therapy to treat certain types of cancer right now
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at UCSD
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exio4
will they cure my adhd
it can't work miracles yet
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brain shit is way harder and even there it has gotten insane
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yoo spatial audio tomorrowland?
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we've got "working" parkinson's treatments
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working: it diminishes symptoms
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but that's better than we were 10 years ago
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we're so close to having wristbands that can read the nerves there for user input lol (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:56 AM
i want there to be good physical augments and treatments that can better mankind and help the disabled become more able and i also want there to be funny stuff like tails and funky lil ears and stuff 🐱
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the gene therapy for cancer is insane, it basically rewires cancer cells to think they don't have materials available to reproduce
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Egdarska
the gene therapy for cancer is insane, it basically rewires cancer cells to think they don't have materials available to reproduce
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 8:57 AM
gaslighting cancer to kill itself love it
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Egdarska
the gene therapy for cancer is insane, it basically rewires cancer cells to think they don't have materials available to reproduce
so, science fiction made real
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it does this by creating mutant cells of your own which then rewire the cancer cells when they use the mutated cells to reproduce
8:58 AM
the downside is you can't get chemo while getting that treatment, and it takes a few months to start working so it can't be used in terminal cancer that is very advanced
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the biggest thing to me
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but that's just a matter of time until it gets faster
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is that a lot of medicine is stupidly recent
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yeah, just the last 2 decades have been insane
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we unironically don't realize how so many small things would have killed us 50+ years ago
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that parkinson medicine i mentioned is from like 2008 i think
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chemo gets bad rep, but the chemicals they use get better every year, so while still a "meme", it's also sooo much better than not long ago
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/22/2024 9:00 AM
ok im gonna go to bed good night silly little robots in my phone
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good night!
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night
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i wanted to call you a furry in a wholesome way somehow but i didn't come up with something that didn't sound rude so you got lucky tonight
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Egdarska
that parkinson medicine i mentioned is from like 2008 i think
tech advancements are one of the few things that make me think we're not doomed tbh
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but then the people thinking big pharma is keeping medicine down to keep selling treatment makes me lose whatever hope i had
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we can't "just tech" our way out of climate change, but solar panels were not even mass-produce-viable a couple of decades back
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but then the people thinking big pharma is keeping medicine down to keep selling treatment makes me lose whatever hope i had
the idea that "the treatment for cancer has been cancelled by big pharma mercenaries" is so deranged
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i know sometimes shit like that happens, but in most cases where people think big pharma is keeping a cure quiet what actually happened is it didn't really work
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like bro the corpo that invents it is actually gonna be set for 20+ years of billions of profits easy
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yeah, specially for cancer
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cancer is an inevitability as you live longer
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cancer is how humans die if something else doesn't get to them first
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it's just a numbers game and you can't win
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basically
9:05 AM
a lot of old people that die of other things like heart attacks, you end up checking and it was a cancer that stressed their body iirc
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just very early, but ur old and weak so ur fucked
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yeah
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usually just undiagnosed for whatever reason
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and the thing is that, diabetes fucks with you
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but you can manage it
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my grandpa lived with diabetes for like 30 years, even with poor healthcare access during the 2001 recession, he did get lucky there that it wasn't too severe, but you "can work around it, sometimes, with some irregular healthcare access"
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ended up dying from cancer
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lol
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that's another thing, like when people say we get more cancer because of all the shit in the food or the vaccines or whatever
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nah bro, y'all just never knew why you died
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though yes, we do have more cancer cases for other reasons
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pollutants mostly
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but it's not like "we never had cancer"
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my great-grandma died from cancer but i wish she had access to euthanasia 😦
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euthanasia has been legal in california under very specific circumstances for a while
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she broke one leg and her hip (iirc that's the name?)
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as a 80 year old woman
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yeah
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that's always really dangerous, high chance of osteonecrosis
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the leg was fine, it recovered, kinda... but she couldn't really walk more than a few steps or "be herself" anymore, she used to cook her own food and loved doing that, we had people that cleaned most of the house, but she liked cleaning the kitchen and her room
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because she organized things her own way etc
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and all that... was just gone
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she was 100% mentally btw
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we see that a lot too, mostly because of diabetes, people lose their legs and they just give up, specially when they're very independent (edited)
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she actually remembered almost everything in her life to the last detail
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it only got foggy when she couldn't walk anymore, and time mashed together
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but in a pandemic-like way
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where we think it's march 2020 day 1500
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yeah, i forget what it's called but the brain just kinda stops running in order
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it's one of the reasons they're considering making exceptions to the "family can't update directives" thing
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i really wish i could have shown her my vr headset and show her videos of new places every weekend
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for cases where it's obvious the family doesn't just want an inheritance or anything and it's actually just mercy
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oh regarding inheritance, she actually signed everything to hand things alive
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it's also the reason mine have been do not intubate do not force feed since i turned 18
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we had to sell some things because caring for her got too expensive at a time
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(we wanted her to have some independence at first, and that was in her house, with lots of people that explicitly worked for her, with nurses for a lot of the time, etc)
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the fact that this shit is controversial confuses me
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religious nuts basically
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i'd actually sign up for this if i lost too much independence
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some people believe life is sacred even if it's torture
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just losing my senses would make me go crazy
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Egdarska
religious nuts basically
the sad part to me, is that when i asked why this shit happens, my family told my great-grandpa that i didn't get to meet (he died in the early/mid 90s), this was nearly a repeat
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he had untreatable levels of pain
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and hardcore painkillers had little to no effect after some point
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he just had to actually suffer in pain 24/7, with insane amounts of drugs to even take naps, for quite a while ???? and this is ok ????
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yeah, it's crazy
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we had a lady who had suffered so much degenerative damage to the nerves opioids didn't bind anymore
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you can't do anything then because if you sedate them they're "asleep" but still feeling pain
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Egdarska
it's also the reason mine have been do not intubate do not force feed since i turned 18
i wish i could write this down tbh
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she's one of the few people who actually got permission for euthanasia
acegikHeartShape 1
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we're all gonna die eventually
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but i find it wild that "permission to die" is a thing
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as a concept it seems wild to me
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i understand it can be abused
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but like, that requires a lot of hoops for non-cyberpunk-2077-universe
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yeah, and even without euthanasia family members have done nasty shit to get rid of people
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but on the other hand, it needs to be case-by-case
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exio4
we're all gonna die eventually
this is the key to me that makes it the craziest
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like, you can't beat that "moment", it'll happen, eventually
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I'd personally want my life to end on a "nice moment"
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i usually just tell people my grampa died old when they ask, because he really was, 92, but he died because his room caught fire and he was in icu for 6 weeks
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I'm actually suicidal, taking meds for that shit, and the biggest reason that has stopped me from doing the "last steps" is the risk of suffering even more
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and he was deeply catholic so he never even thought about just giving up, but damn
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yeah i mean
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i would clock out on day 2
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if u wanna raw death
9:26 AM
you do you
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exio4
I'm actually suicidal, taking meds for that shit, and the biggest reason that has stopped me from doing the "last steps" is the risk of suffering even more
i got a funny anecdote about that kinda
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not really funny
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tell it anyway
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lol
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but when i tried to exit the server what saved me was a shitty primer
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and then i never tried again
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but i've always been not really good mentally so i don't think i'm "over it"
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it's also why i've never owned a gun after that, even though i like it as a sport
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i 100% know i can't be trusted with a gun
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like, i'm one bus trip away from shooting myself in a field 700 km away from home
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funnily what has helped me a lot recently is a friend who was diagnosed as severely depressed recently (as in like 5 years ago), and she basically just asks me questions about if something that happens to her is normal
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so that gives me a good reason to stay and help
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but it do be getting rough sometimes ngl
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think if you die you might never experience the year of the amd gpu
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this is gonna sound stupid, but i used to try to make it to the next big game release
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nah i get you
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i 100% get you
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so i'd be like if i go i won't play metorid prime 3
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that was cyberpunk to me
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it's like small short term goals
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and the game's plot kinda helped me a lot
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to "eventually get help"
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it's stupid, but it is the real reason I love the game that much
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whatever helps is good
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i mean, if we're honest (edited)
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cyberpunk 2077 is just the fun was the friends we made along the way with neon lights
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lol
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it's not even that wrong
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lol
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the game even gives you a suicide ending
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which very much shows what it can do to people
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some games come at the right or wrong time and hit hard
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it's why i'm always talking about that wii games fragile dreams
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that ending fucked me up in a weird way at the right/wrong time
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i was just expecting a pretty anime game
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lol
i think a big part of the problem in cyberpunk 2077's story can be summed to the story being not cyber nor punk enough as it is basically about getting cancer after your best friend dies and you need to overcome hardship with new friendships, like, that's the story, that's the plot
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Egdarska
that ending fucked me up in a weird way at the right/wrong time
rip
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exio4
i think a big part of the problem in cyberpunk 2077's story can be summed to the story being not cyber nor punk enough as it is basically about getting cancer after your best friend dies and you need to overcome hardship with new friendships, like, that's the story, that's the plot
Phantom Liberty is a bit more cyberpunk-y, but the core premises are veeery modern day
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I mean, that is not necessarily a bad thing, but I understand why a lot of people feel like the story didn't embrace the context as well as it could have (edited)
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that happens in every game that tries to deal with real themes
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if it's too abstracted people won't get it
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it has to resonate
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it's why i only play head empty games inklingCool
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speaking of head empty i need to wake up for work in 5 hours
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u should go to sleep
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that's the problem i can't
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but i will try anyway
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well, then drink redbull 👍
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kek
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lol
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i think i can call in late, i won't be busy until 10AM (edited)
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✌️
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good night dude
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lmao
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Petracore
lmao
#hardware GPU talk moment
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exio4
a laptop without usb-c charging may as well be considered defective lol
deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 2:33 PM
I had my Macbook Pro on a weekend trip and realized I had forgotten the normal charger. My relief when I realized I could just use the C brick for my phone 😌
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I had my Macbook Pro on a weekend trip and realized I had forgotten the normal charger. My relief when I realized I could just use the C brick for my phone 😌
tbf, for a macbook.. it's not just that it is usb-c
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it's also the efficiency
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Egdarska
you need to see this shit in motion tho, the native taa is cursed
deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 2:42 PM
Have you tried going one res up with DLDSR?
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I'm pretty sure the original battery charge would have lasted all weekend anyway, but I was glad to know I had recourse
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I'm pretty sure the original battery charge would have lasted all weekend anyway, but I was glad to know I had recourse
yeah, i just mean that thanks to the chips, you can charge plug those to a 20W+ phone charger for a few hours, and actually charge the laptop
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it's wild
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DeAthWisH00123 2/22/2024 3:18 PM
yeah apple has very efficient chips because they're ARM based
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DeAthWisH00123
yeah apple has very efficient chips because they're ARM based
no
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lol
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ISA isn't the key here
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Exio don't bring up efficiency challenge
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deadlybydsgn
Have you tried going one res up with DLDSR?
No, but the native taa is broken, it's not just a resolution issue
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You could downscale from 8k and the taa would fuck it up (edited)
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Egdarska
Exio don't bring up efficiency challenge
meow
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DeAthWisH00123
yeah apple has very efficient chips because they're ARM based
GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:11 PM
You got that backwards ARM can say it's efficient because Apple made their custom chips
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 6:21 PM
Oh damn, the new nvidia driver also enables rtx hdr for games
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FineWine at full speed
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I'm this close to buying an hdr external monitor
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I don't need it but i want one
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:00 PM
As a fresh miniled enjoyer, i say yes
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just buy an oled tv is what i was about to say but i honestly don't think hdr is that impressive on big oled screens
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they can't sustain the brightness long enough in the brighter than sdr areas to really blow me away
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looks great on phones though
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im a brightness simp
7:05 PM
give me 1000+ nits
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full screen
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I don't really care much about brightness
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Just give me minimal banding and 500+ nits (edited)
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i'll give apple that the latest iphones can do some serious damage if you turn the brightness all the way up in a dark room
7:10 PM
literally feel my eyes burning
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Egdarska
I don't really care much about brightness
>about brightness
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>500+ nits
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bro hasnt seen sustained oled brightness numbers
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GoldenX86_64 2/22/2024 7:19 PM
200 nits expensive display
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It was a chore to import it, but the AOC doing 1360 nits rocks
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exio4
bro hasnt seen sustained oled brightness numbers
I just want a flashbang when something happens
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I use a display that is like 250 nits, it's fine
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I just hate banding, and also want accurate colors
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deadlybydsgn 2/22/2024 9:52 PM
The key to happiness is lowering your standards. Duh. But also unironically, not completely duh.
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Egdarska
I just hate banding, and also want accurate colors
time to never open yt again
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SadSinglePringle 2/23/2024 3:20 AM
Lowkey
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The new s24 ultra display
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Is eye searing in hdr
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isnt it 2400 nits
3:29 AM
🙏 not bright enough yet
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GoldenX86_64 2/23/2024 3:33 AM
you want 10000
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/23/2024 6:45 AM
@exio4 how do u feel abt NVIDIA App which just went into open beta like today or something i tried it and it's pretty good, i like that i don't have to fucking use a GeForce account just to use it anymore
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asking u since ur like primo nvidia user number one
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haven't tried it yet, but seems promising
6:46 AM
nvcp is slow, usable but slow
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it's pretty cool, already ran into bugs but it's day one
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/23/2024 6:47 AM
i don't mind the classic control panel but NVApp is way snappier even on my shitass FX-6300 system
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and apparently they got rid of 360 degree screenshots with ansel
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Egdarska
and apparently they got rid of 360 degree screenshots with ansel
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/23/2024 6:48 AM
i didnt know that was even a thing so im ngl it was probably gonna happen sooner or later
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its joever
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i love my 360 shots
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though no game even supports ansel anymore
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/23/2024 6:48 AM
im not saying "oh it sucked" im saying "if i didn't know it existed, chances are a majority of users didn't either"
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honestly 360 shots sound pretty cool, so even if nothing uses ansel anymore, it still kinda feels like a loss
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spatial video in games when
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/23/2024 6:52 AM
we goin back to 2011 baby Nintendo 3DS is back on the menu
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(ok but legit that would be pretty neat for recording VR gameplay since Meta Quest can view spatial videos recorded on iPhones too, so implementing something like it for VR and 3D games to view inside a Quest or AVP would be killer)
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oh yeah i just checked with witcher 3
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they turned it into just a shitty photo mode
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/23/2024 6:54 AM
rip
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i guess i cna just keep an old geforce installer and swap between both
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also the resolution for a screenshot now only seems to top at 8k
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no more 32k screenshots of witcher 3 😢
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does cyberpunk support ansel
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supposedly
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just press alt+f2
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but maybe not, i can't find any 360 shots of cyberpunk
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dang, i deleted all the large screenshots i only have 8k ones
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have an 8k geralt
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im lowkey so pissed
7:13 AM
ai is so shit
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at multi-modality
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i can't just give it a mockup, the basic html and get it to style it smh
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ai autistic confirmed
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@exio4 forgot about this lol
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my first experience with cyberpunk
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i never had that
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did i get lucky
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maybe
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it happened for like a few frames only
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wait, i think i rmeember an issue like this
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what drivers you had?
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homie i don't remember what i had for lunch
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there were a lot of issues that needed game ready drivers
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on the launch build
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trees glitched and shit
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i think i did have the newest drivers
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im coping
7:21 AM
found those old ssr comparison shots
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quality 1 vs 4
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4 vs 1 i guess, thanks discord
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dat leak
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i know all the detail is just normal map and the pbr shader but child me would have lost his shit
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i need more monitors
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me too
7:27 AM
Maxfree S1 Laptop Screen Extender - 14'' Laptop Monitor Extender Plug & Play, 1080P FHD Portable Monitor for 13-17'' Laptops, Compatible with macOS/Windows/Dex/Android/Switch/PS5
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i need one of these 😍
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Egdarska
me too
i dont have enough display engines on my laptop
7:38 AM
i can only plug 4 external displays lol
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exio4
i can only plug 4 external displays lol
Apparently mine only supports 3 external
7:41 AM
Kinda makes sense, hdmi and 2 usbc
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Egdarska
Kinda makes sense, hdmi and 2 usbc
you can't connect multiple monitors to one port?
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Maybe, but it still only supports 3
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I would guess the usbc are connected to the igpu?
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So the only nvidia output is the hdmi
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im connected over hdmi rn
7:45 AM
having an hdmi port is useful at being lazy
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deadlybydsgn 2/23/2024 7:55 AM
Ports are another thing Apple got right in 2021
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Shame on them for being what they were before that, but I like where they took them with the M1 lineup
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Also, why am I up? Can't sleep but I have work tomorrow
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I wish a couple more of mine were usbc
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deadlybydsgn 2/23/2024 7:56 AM
I somehow have 3 USB-C ports on my PC. One mobo front, one case front, and one on my... GPU?
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On the other hand i have more usb a devices than usb c
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7:56 AM
My laptop only has 2 usbc, and 4 usb a
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deadlybydsgn 2/23/2024 7:57 AM
I don't know if my GPU port works for anything other than VR
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deadlybydsgn
I don't know if my GPU port works for anything other than VR
I mean you could maybe connect a display that accepts usb c input to it no?
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deadlybydsgn 2/23/2024 8:01 AM
Probably, yeah. I don't have one lying around to try
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deadlybydsgn
I don't know if my GPU port works for anything other than VR
should work for anything
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deadlybydsgn
Also, why am I up? Can't sleep but I have work tomorrow
this is cultural appropriation
8:08 AM
i'm supposed to be that person
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deadlybydsgn 2/23/2024 8:12 AM
I've had occasional issues sleeping lately but it's likely my fault. I had some extra coffee and a drink in the evening, but I mostly didn't drink enough water during the day. And then I played a bunch of Hades before bed... so I woke up restless an hour later and got up to not wake my wife
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Anyway, I'ma head back to try to sleep
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AlsoAinsley 2/23/2024 9:45 AM
yes
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 12:49 PM
Jeans bater gang
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unfinished but fucking hell im exhausted
1:33 PM
thanks for the suggestions
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Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 1:33 PM
That looks slick
1:34 PM
What parts are in so far?
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4070ti + R7 7800x3D
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96gb of RAM
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Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 1:34 PM
Solid and good and probably totk at 60
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96???
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Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 1:35 PM
Why not full 128?
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dont need it
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Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 1:35 PM
Janky module sizes
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Gtg
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not really, apparently 6/12/24gb modules are the new norm
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ddr5 things
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trust me these things are new and scary to me too
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like what the hell is this crap
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keep in mind this connector is like, 3/4 the size of the regular "ATX" pin style
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i got let go of my computer repair job basically because of the pandemic in 2020 and ever since then ive been out of date
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so im basically 4-5 years out of date on info
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that being said, i have two external ARGB hubs. do i want to plug one into the other and that into the motherboard? or both onto their own motherboard header? (my motherboard has 3 headers)
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ive never messed with RGB in my own rig
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It would probably be best to have them separate
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cool, thank you
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im only gonna have them as static colors anyway
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lastly, is it imperative that i have each fans' power and ARGB on the same external header? it would be easier to cable manage if some fans' power went to one header while their ARGB went to the other
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or is it kinda like a "it all goes to the same place" type deal?
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given i suspect it really is just controlled all by the motherboard at the end of the day
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Steven Vigo 2/23/2024 1:59 PM
Would you get a 750w psu as spec suggestion for a 4080 super? I would definitely get a 850w but right now they are all overpriced on Amazon
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Steven Vigo
Would you get a 750w psu as spec suggestion for a 4080 super? I would definitely get a 850w but right now they are all overpriced on Amazon
2:00 PM
1000w for the price of around a 750w PSU
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750w is enough for a 4080
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the 850w PSUs are marked up right now for some reason
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Steven Vigo 2/23/2024 2:03 PM
I can get the NZXT for 130€ but it’s not atx 3.0, should I care?
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If you're fine with adapters it wouldn't cause any issues
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Steven Vigo 2/23/2024 2:10 PM
Thanks!
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i have 3 ram sticks and im looking to finally get a fourth
3:14 PM
how do i know this is the right one?
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HWinfo shows information about your current ram so just compare it to the one you want to buy
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Don’t have much but this is my setup 🙂
poggies 1
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9soulz
not really, apparently 6/12/24gb modules are the new norm
Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 4:57 PM
Jank
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My pc parts came early!!!! So will be able to do a lot more today that I would of had to do tomorrow 👀 Amazing
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Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 7:14 PM
Like big expensive legos…
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Awesomeangotti
Like big expensive legos…
Legos that if I break I have to replace which would cost me an arm and a leg 😭
7:17 PM
Done this before so it should be fine lol. But never know on that cpu
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Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 7:21 PM
Mmm
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I can get 22 fps in mario kart unplugged on my laptop
7:21 PM
Just the greatest
7:22 PM
Getting bogged down to 1.8 ghz
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Felt as I used to game on a shit laptop 😔
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9soulz
Click to see attachment 🖼️
takanome9104 2/23/2024 7:34 PM
there is new H++
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Jay
Felt as I used to game on a shit laptop 😔
Awesomeangotti 2/23/2024 7:56 PM
I played beam 10 fps for a while on a laptop
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Patented it just works technology
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(It also only had 4gb ram but lets not speak of that)
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Huge rip
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wow, the i7 3770 and gtx970 system still can average 70fps with current version of cyberpunk today. pretty neat. at 720p for that though, but still not bad at all. 1080p totally holds 50 or so most of the time. the i7 2600 and gtx970 system is within margin of error of it, just a pinch lower. the i7 4770 system with it's gtx960 though, is just a tiny tad even lower than that. showing that the gpu still is indeed the bottleneck just barely there. in fact, the i7 2600, i7 3770, and i7 4770, are essentially perfectly paired with 900 and 1000 series cards, like they were always meant to be or somethin.
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deadlybydsgn 2/23/2024 10:56 PM
My 3770 is still running in a little mITX box
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that macbook pro ended up actually being a 2010 model. core 2 duo.
11:16 PM
which is totally fine and great for the collection
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the tv was an older lg, that has vga, which is cool
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Jay
Legos that if I break I have to replace which would cost me an arm and a leg 😭
Sadly. It’s not the day for me
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The stuff that’s most important is fine, gpu, cpu… but I got a bad ram stick
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And my storage is also fucked
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Just a bit upsetting 😔
11:34 PM
Was definitely hoping to test stuff out today. Gotta wait till Sunday
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wow, the i7 3770 and gtx970 system still can average 70fps with current version of cyberpunk today. pretty neat. at 720p for that though, but still not bad at all. 1080p totally holds 50 or so most of the time. the i7 2600 and gtx970 system is within margin of error of it, just a pinch lower. the i7 4770 system with it's gtx960 though, is just a tiny tad even lower than that. showing that the gpu still is indeed the bottleneck just barely there. in fact, the i7 2600, i7 3770, and i7 4770, are essentially perfectly paired with 900 and 1000 series cards, like they were always meant to be or somethin.
takanome9104 2/24/2024 12:55 AM
how is the frametime tho ? , with my i7 7700 i get alot of drops even with everything closed 4core cant handle it
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how is the frametime tho ? , with my i7 7700 i get alot of drops even with everything closed 4core cant handle it
as i said, average 70
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even some of the quads without ht can still average 40-50 from those generations.
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things like i5 2500, i5 3470, i5 4440, etc etc.
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takanome9104 2/24/2024 1:38 AM
i would cap fps to 30 in this case i hate jitter so much
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3570K was an amazing chip that could OC to 4.5ghz with an undervolt.
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how is the frametime tho ? , with my i7 7700 i get alot of drops even with everything closed 4core cant handle it
cyberpunk doesn't handle being cpu bottlenecked without any resources left that gracefully, but the framecap like you said - would smooth that a lot 👌
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SadSinglePringle 2/24/2024 4:08 AM
yeah
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i'm having some issues with cyberpunk on my i7-12700H
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ruins frame times
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i explicitly run fsr3 + nvidia reflex (w/ vsync) to keep it neat
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do they not support dlss frame gen
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bro got a 2060
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i am on turing
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got the mod that swaps dlss3 with fsr3
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oh yeah i forgot exio is part of 2060 gang
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but lets me keep dlss2 enabled (edited)
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fsr3 is so shit if you have to upscale fsr2 artifacts
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like it unironically ruins the feature
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fsr3 with dlss input is.. fine
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exio4
fsr3 is so shit if you have to upscale fsr2 artifacts
lmao
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but fsr3 upscaling fsr2 is
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????
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why even bother (edited)
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i haven't tried xess tho
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i wanted to try xess with re4 but it doesn't show up for some reason
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the frametime delivery is cringe on fsr3
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amd really fucks me up
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i think it might need a specific xess version
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they deliver a half-baked feature at best
4:15 AM
i found out theres a kim possible movie
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i got something to watch tonight
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got ice cream already
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4:16 AM
100% rotten tomatoes lol
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reminds me of the mortal kombat movie (2021)
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3.8 critic average, 86% audience
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it's not a 9 but it isn't a 4 lol
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it's fine
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critics: this movie is stupid as fuck, they just fight and say dumb one liners fans: THIS MOVIE IS STUPID AS FUCK, THEY JUST FIGHT AND SAY DUMB ONE LINER BRO (edited)
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isnt that
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mortal kombat
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yes, that is the joke
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oh im dumb sorry
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i dont think the movie is bad for what it is meant to be
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i'd say nolan movies are worse
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it's like playing DMC5 and complaining about the stupid parts
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that's the whole game
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because those movies try to be ~psychological~ and offer ~insight~ and end up condensingly dumb
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condensingly stupid
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more like
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i didn't love the MK movie, but it's a good MK movie (edited)
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you don't feel like you wasted your money with it, either, it's what it says on the sticker
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Jay
Was definitely hoping to test stuff out today. Gotta wait till Sunday
actually tomorrow 👀 Got lucky with shipping so at about 10am to 3pm the rest of my new parts will be here
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it's like if you picked up a 3060 that lists 1080p on the box and complain it cannot do 8K
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it's like the critics watching the mairo movie, did you see some of the cringe reviews?
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this movie makes no sense, the mustachioed man touched a bell and turned into a cat?
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exio4
it's like if you picked up a 3060 that lists 1080p on the box and complain it cannot do 8K
Doesn't a 4090 at times struggle to do 8k
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at times lol
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Egdarska
this movie makes no sense, the mustachioed man touched a bell and turned into a cat?
yo
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i haven't played like mario ever
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and i know that's dumb
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my DAD hasn't touched a PC in like 30 years for anything but an old pc he got for cheap with solitaire and bejeweled back in the early 2000s
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i can't remember if that specific example was from forbes, i'm sure it was one of the suit bro websites
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and he knows that is fine
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yeah, mario touches random things and transforms into something else, that's like, general knowledge at this point
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I don't really need anything powerful. If I need/want an upgrade I have the motherboard that can handle a lot on it's own so I likely won't have to update the motherboard until the 50 series gpu's hit from Nvidia and even then I likely won't even buy that. So at most I'll do 4090 but that's so unlikely cause the price is way too big for me ngl
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at most lol
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i hate instagram so much, what the fuck meta
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sus
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Egdarska
at most lol
Well when a 50 series does come out it'll be "obsolete" even though the difference in games will be overkill and unnecessary 🗿
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so why go higher
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it's not unnecessary
4:25 AM
we're soo far from the good shit™️
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i need to watch the kim possible movie apparently it is from before disney+ was a thing
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so i uh didnt hear about it
4:26 AM
also, I wanna rewatch Nimona
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real time path traced thin-film interference
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only with rtx 5000 series
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Egdarska
real time path traced thin-film interference
i am so pissed we haven't seen a tech demo with NRC
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ngl
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We present a real-time neural radiance caching method for path-traced global illumination. Our system is designed to handle fully dynamic scenes, and makes no assumptions about the lighting, geometry, and materials. The data-driven nature of our approach sidesteps many difficulties of caching algorithms, such as locating, interpolating, and upda...
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look at that shit
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NVIDIA gonna be using tensor for training a neural network every frame
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and we can't do shit, they'll hallucinate rays, they'll denoise them with more machine learning, while upscaling them
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and then doing reprojection/frame gen with more hallucnation
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its gonna go so hard
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i can't wait until i hear people say "this is fake tracing because it isn't doing it for real"
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I'll just ask them to show which vendor is doing it for real
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Amd? kek
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the worst part is that people think that "real graphics" are a thing
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Even "real" offline path tracing is fake as shit tbh
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the mroe I read about anything in real-time graphics
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you realize its a hardcore illusion, offline renderers strive for much higher standards, sure
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but like
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real-time has always been a hacky hallucination
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If you want to do "real" path tracing you're gonna be waiting a few minutes for a pixel to resolve
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Egdarska
If you want to do "real" path tracing you're gonna be waiting a few minutes for a pixel to resolve
optimistic now huh?
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Most renderers don't even do spectral rendering as a default
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Cycles didn't have spectral rendering at all until last year
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Subsurface scattering is a hack of a hack in every single offline rendering lmao
4:33 AM
Trying to actually sample internal reflection would be insane
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i specifically mention real-time because frametimes are so tight that
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it's just insane
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Here's a fun experiment, try to render a liquid with complex properties like shampoo or spilled oil without cheating by just adding a multicolor layer and calling it a day
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No renderer can do it, it's still a work in progress
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is that even possible
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alrightr
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i was like "what technique can even do that right now?"
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There's a thin-film interference "shader" for blender, and for every renderer, but it just cheats
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It literally just applies a different color using a fresnel mask
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nah, I mean physically based
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Yeah, it can't be done currently
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I know of a lot of hacks for it cuz I remember looking at gasoline spills shaders
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("know" = "know they exist")
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First of all, the accuracy you'd need to even attempt it is insane
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Because it works at the molecular level
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i wanted to do a low-poly version of my dad's workplace and i wanted to do a gasoline spill that looked pretty
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let's say i gave up
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Jensenthumb
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It's funny the first time a new 3d user learns about depth precision
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this was years ago
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pre-pandemic
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The before days
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Egdarska
It's funny the first time a new 3d user learns about depth precision
what exactly
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Because you have to be very careful with your world scale because depth only has so many bits
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The depth precision you'd need for real thin-film interference would be pretty crazy if you want the rendered world to be usable
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doesn't blender have an option for 64-bit floats nowadays
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but yeah
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even then lol
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Yeah, that's not going to cut it
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what kind of precision would thin-film interference need
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i wonder
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i feel like you'd need a special datatype at that point
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I don't know specific numbers, but take the size of the average molecule, that would need to be your mimimum unit size (edited)
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that offers a high-precision component, and a low-precision side
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wich is ultimately a hack
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i mean
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computers doing anything but arithmetic is hacks
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Then multiply it by the size of the visible world in your render
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exio4
that offers a high-precision component, and a low-precision side
That's what a logarithmic depth buffer does
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But it's still not enough (edited)
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Egdarska
That's what a logarithmic depth buffer does
i dont think a depth buffer is enough
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You could section it which is kind of the same
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But then you'd only be able to render those effects close to the canera
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nah, I mean doubling everything up - and doing the rendering steps twice
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Since far away the precision would be trash
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but concurrently
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basically the lower precision (current) renderer would become a sort of wannabe geometry buffer for the higher precision renderer (?)
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i know geometry buffer is the wrong term
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but i have mostly read real-time shit on raytracing
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I know what you mean
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That's how blender worked for a while lol
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yeah its nothing new
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but i assume you can stack more layers too
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its just
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why
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Before cycles they just started adding path traced shit to the original raster render, blender internal
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wait what
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can u explain the history of blender
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It was uh
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because that confuses me rn
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It "worked" i guess
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Blender used a fully raster engine at the start
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tbf that's normal?
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isn't blender old as fuck?
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Yeah, all engines were raster first
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But then when they went to path tracing they usually changed the engine completely, but blender kept blender internal and added features
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I think the first was path traced shadows, way back in like 2012
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Or 2011
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Then they added subsurface scattering
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Cycles was in alpha by 2014 or so, and came out in 2015, but missing a lot of stuff
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btw, something that annoys me is when people say RT/PT are not gonna happen soon because movies
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Wut
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they mention how movies have only gotten "real RT" very recently etc (edited)
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Oh lol
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Honestly that just makes older cgi more impressive
4:52 AM
They made the lotr trilogy on a glorified game engine
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it just makes no sense, games will use lower resolution textures, geometry, animation will be "worse", etc
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Egdarska
They made the lotr trilogy on a glorified game engine
yeah
4:53 AM
part of me wishes to know what would be possible if there were arcade machines to this day
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you know
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stupidly high-end real-time rendering machines, with a shitton of optimization poured into them alongside that
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There are, they're just not cutting edge anymore
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nah, I mean arcade machines the way they were In the Old Days™️
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And the japanese just use them for pachinko slots
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I'm still mad about mgs3
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Konami: here's a preview of a glorious mgs3 remake in fox engine
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It's a pachinko slot btw
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Then the actual remake is announced and it's ue5
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Fox engine deserved better
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Have you seen metal gear solid 5?
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Some things look crusty as fuck because no AA and low poly models, but then you realize it's a fully pbr engine with features that even ue only recently got, and it was meant to run on x360/ps3 (edited)
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.... what?
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It looks pretty good for the time
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what's a pbr engine?
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Hell, even now, it's just the models that let it down
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Samueru
what's a pbr engine?
Physically based rendering
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Egdarska
Hell, even now, it's just the models that let it down
animation too i assume
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Eh, kinda
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Kojima has always paid a lot of attention to animation
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This is the mf that made ice cubes melt down realistically on the ps2
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lolwut
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He made the most slippery seagull shit in gaming history
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All memes aside, kojima really enjoys what he does
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are his games good tho
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he came up to quiet's actress and said joosten-chan we need to scan your feet for the game
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but kojima-san, quiet wears boots all the time
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kojima: trust me this is important
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he really suffered for his art🙏
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tarantino jealous rn
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exio4
are his games good tho
look buddy, they're well made
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jokes aside, the gameplay in mgs games is pretty good, there just isn't much of it
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it looks "bad", but considering the hardware that's pretty impressive (edited)
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iirc it was a nightmare to make games on the ps3
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yeah, sony's fault
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they forgor that a gaming console needs hardware for rendering game graphics
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rookie mistake
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happens to the best of us
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haha
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i just simp hard for fox engine because i think it was the first engine to do fresnel roughness for ssr
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ue4 still doesn't have that
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i don't know if ue5 does actually
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i would assume it does for rt reflections
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the thing that interests me the most is neural rendering stuff, because it's the most ... alien? thing
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also, kojima really wants to be a movie director
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Tensor™️ has a 10x lead in compute over normal compute shit
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so the camera in fox engine was the most "physically based" virtual camera at the time
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everything was tied to the real life parameters so the dof and zoom characteristics were always realistic
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you couldn't cheat and do wide shots with shallow dof
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lolwut
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2013 btw
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pour one out for fox engine
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wait what
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PES was on it? lol
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yeah
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it didn't deserve this end
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im bored
5:26 AM
but this is a fixed-budget project
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
can't believe they went from calling it the right name
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to the wrong name
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Why does it feel like ARL is going to suck.
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arrow lake?
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Yeah 8p 16e no HT and 2 AI cores.
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 6:19 AM
anything intel still sucks, but at least they dropped the thermonuclear tdps
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:20 AM
haha yeah they totally have 😀
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GoldenX86_64
anything intel still sucks, but at least they dropped the thermonuclear tdps
I don't fanboi over either right now 7800x3D is the best chip you can get.
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 6:22 AM
if only motherboard costs weren't insane...
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I paid 240 I think for this piece of shit auros I'm using
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270 lol
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for a DDR4 mobo
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OldManKain
I don't fanboi over either right now 7800x3D is the best chip you can get.
not really, 7800X3D still suffers from AMDitis on software
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e.g. sleep is broken
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Because ddr5 was sitting at like 1000.00 for 32gb at launch
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exio4
e.g. sleep is broken
Yeah but with the 7800x3D at least you don't need xbox gamebar, or project lasso
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it's not the best chip, it's just really good
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OldManKain
Yeah but with the 7800x3D at least you don't need xbox gamebar, or project lasso
yeah, but you lose nT; it's not the best
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And it's affordable compared to the 14900k
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it's killer value
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exio4
it's not the best chip, it's just really good
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:25 AM
the best chip doesn't exist the best anything doesn't exist, because there's always room for growth and improvement
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that's not what was discussed
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the best chip that currently exists is what was implied
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7800x3d or 13700K are the two best chips right now for price to performance
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14th gen is worthless
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:26 AM
imho you should buy the product that suits your use case the best, even if you inevitably have to also deal with some weird quirks depending on what exactly you buy
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exio4
yeah, but you lose nT; it's not the best
What's the best chip to you? don't say apple silicon
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 6:27 AM
at least it doesn't come with soldered 8gb and 256gb for 1300 bucks kek
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oh and don't forget, only 2 usb ports
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:27 AM
or 8GB and 512GB for $1600, and still only 2 USB ports
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Samueru
What's the best chip to you? don't say apple silicon
there isn't currently one; all chips have a gotcha, it wasn't like the intel era when you picked the highest-end-intel-chip and you had a clear answer at everything
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:28 AM
yeah apple can make some good shit but they cannot reasonably price anything if they tried
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To be honest there really will never be "the best" just "the best price to performance"
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that's wrong
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exio4
there isn't currently one; all chips have a gotcha, it wasn't like the intel era when you picked the highest-end-intel-chip and you had a clear answer at everything
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:28 AM
you didn't answer the question
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what's the best chip to you
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LukeTheVideoGamer
or 8GB and 512GB for $1600, and still only 2 USB ports
GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 6:28 AM
don't forget to add the mandatory huge dock you have to carry with it
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because you only have one port while charging
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I gave my answer, what I want doesn't, I want the efficiency of Apple Silicon uncore, software of Intel & efficiency of AMD cores (edited)
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GoldenX86_64
because you only have one port while charging
?
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Squanchy thinks i'm an intel fanboy because I used to work for intel. 😄
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you're not even right in your diss
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:29 AM
you want the efficiency of Apple Silicon, the software of Intel, and the efficiency of AMD...???? two of those things contradict each other dude
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this is like saying "amd cpus are so bad the 7800x3d only has 4 cores" tier of wrong
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LukeTheVideoGamer
you want the efficiency of Apple Silicon, the software of Intel, and the efficiency of AMD...???? two of those things contradict each other dude
apple silicon uncore
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like I don't wanna defend Apple's port selection on their laptps
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but can you guys at least get the number of ports right
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:31 AM
oh i can just fine, i have most of those Macs I/O memorized
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I only have 16 ports on my cpu
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exio4
but can you guys at least get the number of ports right
GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 6:32 AM
How many does the base m3 get again?
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the $1599 mac with shit specs has hdmi & magsafe, so you get both usb-c ports for data
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the m2 air gets magsafe
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(no hdmi tho)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:32 AM
or SD
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like, i know this isn't a lot
6:33 AM
but at least let's shit on things using the right number?
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"Intel is soo bad they use 600W!" when yeha, it's bad, but it's 250W stock, and like 350W uncapped
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no need to lie to make it look worse
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lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:34 AM
exaggeration to prove a point is a double edged sword because you can hit the metaphorical nail on the head and still get people on ur ass because you exaggerated something like power consumption for emphasis
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no, in this case it was particularly mentioned you lose a port while charging
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when the latest MagSafe has been a thing for 2+ years
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i'd say 3 but i can't remember exactly when the things started shipping
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exio4
no, in this case it was particularly mentioned you lose a port while charging
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:35 AM
i only know one $1600 device in Apple's current lineup that can do that the iPad Pro, specced to 256GB of storage, with the optional Magic Keyboard accessory
6:36 AM
but that's a lot of conditions to meet
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so really, it doesn't count much
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i only know one $1600 device in Apple's current lineup that can do that the iPad Pro, specced to 256GB of storage, with the optional Magic Keyboard accessory
nah, you can spec up the macbook air for that too
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the OG air
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but then it has like 16gb of ram and 1tb of storage
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or over
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:36 AM
true, but then it wouldn't hit 8GB and 256GB of storage :)
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m2 air has magsafe too
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:38 AM
i still don't like Apple's pricing though. like, sometimes it's pretty reasonable, at least for what you're getting, but other times it's just absurd
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nah the m3 model is cringe af
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m3 pro is where ther lineup starts
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$2k for a 16/512 config is fine because the rest of the machine is gud
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and even then, in america
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:39 AM
im just surprised the iMac hasn't gotten its "Pro" variant for Apple Silicon yet, or at least a bigger screen
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you can pick the m1 pro/m2 pro for less than the m3 model
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just buy that
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exio4
and even then, in america
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:40 AM
18/512*
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oh right they nerfed the bus width
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:40 AM
weird memory configs on the Pro and Max this gen, remember?
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exio4
oh right they nerfed the bus width
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:40 AM
a small price to pay for Space Black
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LukeTheVideoGamer
a small price to pay for Space Black
real
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LukeTheVideoGamer
weird memory configs on the Pro and Max this gen, remember?
they make sense given the dies
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exio4
you can pick the m1 pro/m2 pro for less than the m3 model
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:42 AM
next gen Apple Vision Pro better have M3 or M4 for $3000 or so or apple will never be the ones to achieve a spatial computing future im gonna be real
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M3 Pro is actually sick
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LukeTheVideoGamer
next gen Apple Vision Pro better have M3 or M4 for $3000 or so or apple will never be the ones to achieve a spatial computing future im gonna be real
vision pro's price is not on the soc lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:42 AM
that, and an entry level Mac Mini, are the only places i can understand base M3 making sense
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the displays alone cost as much as a macbook air
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exio4
vision pro's price is not on the soc lol
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:43 AM
yea ik it's on all the stupid amount of awesome sensors and cameras and displays and stuff
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meow
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:43 AM
(they could cut down on those with a "non-Pro" visionOS product though, probably down to a similar-ish resolution to Bigscreen Beyond which also uses micro OLED)
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they're better off using an iteration of Quest Pro's miniLED IPS panels
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:44 AM
like, you don't need 23 million pixels beamed into your eyes, ~12 million or so is just fine
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no, you do
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23 millions isn't even good
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it's fine
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20/20 vision would still need like 30-40 million per pixel at the fov that Apple has
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:45 AM
honestly the pixel count is a little high, my main concern is pixels per degree and overall FOV, both of which should improve, at least to varying degrees
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and ideally humans do perceive beyond that in some areas
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LukeTheVideoGamer
honestly the pixel count is a little high, my main concern is pixels per degree and overall FOV, both of which should improve, at least to varying degrees
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:45 AM
how realistic are those improvements? honestly, not much LMAO
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LukeTheVideoGamer
honestly the pixel count is a little high, my main concern is pixels per degree and overall FOV, both of which should improve, at least to varying degrees
... how do you think pixels per degree & fov relate to resolution?
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if you have a fixed resolution & increase fov, pixels per degree are lower
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:46 AM
hmm, good point actually
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my b
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if you have a fixed resolution, and you decrease fov, pixels per degree are higher
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if you want both to improve, you need more pixels
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:47 AM
more pixels means more strain on the integrated hardware, and means better displays, which also means more cooling and possibly more bulk, which means more weight it's a never-ending problem with current tech
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it never wasn’t
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:48 AM
... i do still think the resolution could be lowered for a non-Pro product without most people complaining, but for future Vision Pro generations specifically... yeahhhh
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but realistically thanks to foveated rendering, along other things - gains are not as hard as they seem
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:48 AM
i see what you mean now basically, my bad
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LukeTheVideoGamer
... i do still think the resolution could be lowered for a non-Pro product without most people complaining, but for future Vision Pro generations specifically... yeahhhh
i don’t see it; unless you want them to make the thing a much worse experience - reading text inside the headset needs more pixels
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if they lower them a bit.. that would be fine, but halving pixels would be a disaster
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 6:52 AM
if the pixels cannot be lowered, then lower cost displays and better foviated rendering should be prioritized to be able to further cut down on costs for a lower cost product.
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miniLED ips (edited)
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im assuming insane backlight density tho
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lol wtf, I go play a match in OW2 and come back to 100+ messages, what you arguing about now?
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OldManKain
lol wtf, I go play a match in OW2 and come back to 100+ messages, what you arguing about now?
the metaverse
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I like to debate about reality things.
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we're on discord
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we literally are talking through digital text bro
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Nah
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we are talking through 1's and 0's
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you mean through negative charges
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if you want to be pedantic
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wifi is funny light
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so
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through means unknown
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exio4
wifi is funny light
new age mfs when you tell them their eyes work thanks to radiation livereaction
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My eye (singular) barely works anyway
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its so funny
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👀
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:12 AM
i dislike AI covers not because "augh AI" i just think they're dumb
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@Egdarska do you know what measurement units can be made for uh
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i dislike AI covers not because "augh AI" i just think they're dumb
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frame reprojection / etc
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what is all this random shit?
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alright, https://www.youtube.com/@PrimeVideo/videos Hell's Greatest Dad is the second most watch video on Prime Video's YT channel lol
The official YouTube page for Prime Video US. Want to watch it now? We've got it. This week's newest movies, last night's TV shows, classic favorites, and more are available to stream instantly, plus all your videos are stored in Your Video Library. Over 150,000 movies and TV episodes, including thousands for Amazon Prime members at no addition...
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exio4
frame reprojection / etc
that would be a hard one
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how much bandwidth is that
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Must bea millenial thing.
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how so
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yeah, those 30-40 somethings
7:14 AM
youths
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im in the hybrid between zoomer and millenial
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this has always been a thing btw, and they've always been as wrong
7:15 AM
these damn kids with their books, reading instead of working the fields
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they're lazy now
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:15 AM
i think once u get old enough you start spiting the generation that's two steps removed from your own for no good reason
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like it's just a law of the universe atp
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lol, forgot i can't say ass hole
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theres cool old dudes
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ive met
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that didnt hate change
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usually into tech
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yeah, ass holes have existed forever
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and cool people too
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Egdarska
yeah, ass holes have existed forever
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:16 AM
they've existed as long as asses have
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the first human was an ass hole first
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literally
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ngl i love modern tech
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i shit on the warframe port but you can run console-tier games on a goddamn 6" slab of glass with multiple hours of battery
7:17 AM
the whole device isn't even 250 grams
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we have implants on your arm that beep when your blood sugar is high, and you can just check them with nfc with your phone
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its insane
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the future is now old man
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:18 AM
i love modern tech but i won't lie im a little worried about how some of it is being applied at the moment. but i don't wanna start another flame war in here, because five is just fine but six is too much
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nah modern tech is sick
7:18 AM
we're not even cranking it to 11 enough
7:19 AM
i want to get custom-made organs for when mine fail
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i love modern tech but i won't lie im a little worried about how some of it is being applied at the moment. but i don't wanna start another flame war in here, because five is just fine but six is too much
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:19 AM
only like, the dystopian shit like brain interface chips though. and also the very capitalistic views of "Web 3.0" as a whole, as if it couldn't get worse than Web 2.0.
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and genetically targetted treatments for any shit
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AU where everything is the same but the US' education and defense funds are swapped
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Egdarska
AU where everything is the same but the US' education and defense funds are swapped
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:19 AM
could you imagine? maybe in that universe, people are actually sane!
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Egdarska
AU where everything is the same but the US' education and defense funds are swapped
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:20 AM
the entire world would be so much healthier
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Egdarska
AU where everything is the same but the US' education and defense funds are swapped
Doesn't the US already spend more on education than on defense?
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not at a federal level iirc
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depends how you count it
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if you count states yeah i guess
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for example, the university of california has a budget of 47 billion, but almost none of it is government funded
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Samueru
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i bet that's counting every program tangentially related to education
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which is technically education i guess
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:22 AM
just like counting "agency in charge of finding aliens" as military
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That's only federal though
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lol, that health spending is hilarious if you break it down
7:24 AM
because like 30% is paying for defaulted charges
7:24 AM
so basically the government paying extra for care that couldn't be denied
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if only there was a way to spend less and get the same treatment
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some sort of, ugh, socialized health system
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What I've seen in the US is that there's a lot of inefficiency in government programs
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by design, yes
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There's a nice vid going on details on a website for medicare that wasted so much money lmao
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let me look it up
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that's like saying a a car has more friction than a train
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that's how they've gotten rid of so many programs, it's an old conservative tactic
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block everything, make programs run badly, then point out how badly it runs, cut it
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it isn't just that
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it's the "corpos are our friend" attitude too
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:26 AM
sorry, off-topic, but damn it's tempting to buy a 3090 with 4 months of use for only 700 bucks here
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GoldenX86_64
sorry, off-topic, but damn it's tempting to buy a 3090 with 4 months of use for only 700 bucks here
SakuCumming
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it's funny, our company has its own urgent care system, we get to see how much common treatments actually cost
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GoldenX86_64
sorry, off-topic, but damn it's tempting to buy a 3090 with 4 months of use for only 700 bucks here
That's actually on topic, we are on the wrong channel lol
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spoiler, a leg cast and painkillers don't cost $2000
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nah the human body is hardware (edited)
7:27 AM
lol
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Egdarska
spoiler, a leg cast and painkillers don't cost $2000
you really sayin that?
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couldn't believe it
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i wish there were more programs like ours, we basically use the capitalist system to trick people into embracing socialized healthcare
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the fact that is needed is sad tho
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talking about that, my dad's likely getting a small surgery in like 1-2 weeks or so i gues
7:29 AM
if there's no delays cuz of cost-cutting
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:29 AM
ah, the 8600g arrived
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430k
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you bought a 8600G?
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oh
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:30 AM
nah to argentina
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no money for mobo and ddr5
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is it good?
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Egdarska
is it good?
8600G? no
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:30 AM
should be ok for yuzu, but at that price it's very very meh
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buy a phoenix miniPC
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cheers
kekw 2
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:30 AM
oh no, you made it stupid
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i really fucked up yesterday
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woke up at 11pm
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Jensenthumb
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also, "for an approximate result" lol
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i don't know if i'm stupid but i can't divide by 453.6 in my head
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:31 AM
450 is already pushing it
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450 is not that hard
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divide by 500 and subtract 10%
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divided by 2 - 10%
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err, 500
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yeah
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i just thought about it from the point of uh kilograms
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im metric brained i dont think in grams as separate to kilograms
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😔
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they are ~ fluid ~, you mix and match them like the french intended
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:33 AM
~~
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multiply by 2 actually
7:33 AM
i hate imperial
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i have to use imperial
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why are americans allowed to use imperial
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we should invade them
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mostly for cooking
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do ovens use imperial too
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:34 AM
tested everything i could to get forza horizon 5 working on intel mesa, no luck, either microsoft borked it, or i need the new kernel
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exio4
do ovens use imperial too
yes
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preheat the oven to 385
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like do u cook at 500F
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i have metric on my oven (im normal)
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385F is lime 195C
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yeah
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americans hate metric until it's time to shoot and smoke (edited)
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i am sad
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i havent watched the kim possible movie yet
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Egdarska
americans hate metric until it's time to shoot and smoke (edited)
Measure cpu temps
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ive seen americans switch to F
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for that online
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i bet if F was available they'd use it
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No way
7:37 AM
Imperial is bad, it makes people lie about their height
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i have read comments like "my cpu is at 200 degrees is that fine?" (edited)
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everyone that is 5 10 just says that they are 6 feet
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im 6 feet
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unspecified feet, maybe they're small feet
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maybe 6 of your actual feets stacked lol
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idk actually
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Hey let me measure how many actual feets I'm tall
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i'm 5'9''😔
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well, a little over 1.76m
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Samueru
everyone that is 5 10 just says that they are 6 feet
also u meant 5 11
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I'm 6.9433 feet tall (actual feet)
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rrmember theyre not metric
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exio4
also u meant 5 11
Got me
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:39 AM
what if everyone is actually 6 of their own feet
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i'd be tall
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my foot is an actual foot
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The worst imperial unit is the awg
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:41 AM
mpg
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And also throw the btu in there as well
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Samueru
The worst imperial unit is the awg
most imperial units are vibe based like that
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"the worst imperial unit" is like saying u have the worst STD pretty much all of them suck, the best you get is something treatable
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exio, if i asked you how you think shotgun gauge works, what would you guess?
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exio4
"the worst imperial unit" is like saying u have the worst STD pretty much all of them suck, the best you get is something treatable
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That's awg
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knowing that they have numbers like 10 and 12
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it is that bad
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Egdarska
exio, if i asked you how you think shotgun gauge works, what would you guess?
i don't, i actually don't guess, i've accepted imperial is deranged
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It is also so bad that they ran out of zeros
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like 0awg is not enough
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so the next size is 00
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then 000
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and so on
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exio4
i don't, i actually don't guess, i've accepted imperial is deranged
it's the number of lead spheres of that diameter that would be needed to make a pound
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Egdarska
it's the number of lead spheres of that diameter that would be needed to make a pound
what
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so 16 gauge is a small bore, 12 gauge is bigger, 10 gauge is even bigger
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The gauge (in American English or more commonly referred to as bore in British English) of a firearm is a unit of measurement used to express the inner diameter (bore diameter) of the barrel. Gauge is determined from the weight of a solid sphere of lead that will fit the bore of the firearm and is expressed as the multiplicative inverse of the s...
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what
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:45 AM
guns are stupid, i prefer the blade
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lol
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no fucking way this is real
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this is a fucking alternate dimension
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welcome to imperial
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Samueru
then 000
And for very big wire sizes where awg would make no sense, instead of metric they use circular mills lmao
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circular what
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kcmil is the name
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why cant they just be normal and use metric
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I have no idea what it is lol
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mil, not mill
7:46 AM
it's gonna piss you off
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A circular mil is a unit of area, equal to the area of a circle with a diameter of one mil (one thousandth of an inch or 0.0254 mm). It corresponds to approximately 5.067×10−4 mm2. It is a unit intended for referring to the area of a wire with a circular cross section. As the definition of the unit contains π, it is easy to calculate area values...
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oh its more normal
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if dividing an inch in 1000 is normal i guess
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its like imperial area
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oh yeah i mean more normal compared to most imperial shit
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1000 circular mil equals approximately 0.5067 mm2, so for many purposes, a ratio of 2 MCM ≈ 1 mm2 can be used with negligible (1.3%) error.
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not in absolute terms
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"negligible"
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Oh, at least is divided by 1000
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you know how the 14900K is more efficient than the 13900K
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that kind of comparison
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i hope exio doesn't already know what a nautical mile is
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i dont
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it's a mile but on the sea, therefore longer
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A nautical mile is a unit of length used in air, marine, and space navigation, and for the definition of territorial waters. Historically, it was defined as the meridian arc length corresponding to one minute (1/60 of a degree) of latitude at the equator, such that Earth's polar circumference is very near to 21,600 nautical miles (that is 60 min...
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imagine if you were on a ship and you said you're 6 clicks away
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ground clicks or water clicks?
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clicks?
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what
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isnt that a made up unit for sci fi
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also the knot lol
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nah, klick is an actual thing
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never heard of that
7:51 AM
klick sounds like the name KDE would give to some application lol
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it's just a kilometer
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the knot is nautical miles per hour
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Samueru
klick sounds like the name KDE would give to some application lol
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:52 AM
the question is what utility would it perform poorly?
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(i am not a fan of most of KDE's apps)
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That's KDE not Gnome lol
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kde connect is pretty based
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Indeed
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:53 AM
oh i had nothing but issues with kde connect last time i used it
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I use it a lot, I can mount my phone as a dir on my filebrowser
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:53 AM
granted that was like 2 years ago now but still
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When I get a call media stops on my pc and I get a notification of the call
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you can't do that on windows, but as an airdrop thing it's pretty cool
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and I can control the music of my pc from my phone
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i mean the filebrowser thing
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you can type messages and stuff on windows too
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kde connect on linux is unironically fucking good
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kdeconnect is amazing, you can also setup custom shell commands to send from the phone
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I usually shutdown the pc from my bed when I go to sleep
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Samueru
I usually shutdown the pc from my bed when I go to sleep
i used to open the remote desktop with gamestream/moonlight and then just turn it off like that
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I haven't had plug my phone to the pc in a looong time
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because I can even run adb shell thru wifi
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:55 AM
my problem with the KDE app suite is that, the last time i tried using it mind you, it was very much "oh, you want this one specific application and nothing more than needed? fuck you installs the entire KDE app suite anyway" (edited)
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thats normal
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LukeTheVideoGamer
my problem with the KDE app suite is that, the last time i tried using it mind you, it was very much "oh, you want this one specific application and nothing more than needed? fuck you installs the entire KDE app suite anyway" (edited)
It is like 700 MiB
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also, yes
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And you can also get some kde apps as appimages if you don't want that many dependencies
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I have kdenlive as an appimage
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how did linux bros let programs get away with that?
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exio4
thats normal
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:56 AM
"that's normal" it shouldn't be that's my issue with it
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they used to boycott programs if they were more than 12MB
7:57 AM
did even they have to accept that time moves on?
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LukeTheVideoGamer
"that's normal" it shouldn't be that's my issue with it
its like being confused using chrome installs a window server tho
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GTK4 is a trainwreck on the theming btw
7:57 AM
I had so many issues with zenity trying to follow the system theme and I actually went and installed a gtk3 version of it
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Like you have to patch the thing, and the patch recently broke
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but at least it's free tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 7:59 AM
like, if i want JUST KDE Connect and JUST Konsole on, say, Xfce, and nothing more since i already have perfectly fine alternatives to other KDE apps, i can't unless i try using appimages or flatpaks, if they're even available, since usually my package manager will just go "errr, you want these two KDE apps? well, if you want those two, then surely you also want these twenty other ones that aren't even required dependencies for the two you want to work, don't you?" NO I FUCKING DONT JUST GIVE ME CONNECT AND KONSOLE
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libadwaita-without-adwaita lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer
like, if i want JUST KDE Connect and JUST Konsole on, say, Xfce, and nothing more since i already have perfectly fine alternatives to other KDE apps, i can't unless i try using appimages or flatpaks, if they're even available, since usually my package manager will just go "errr, you want these two KDE apps? well, if you want those two, then surely you also want these twenty other ones that aren't even required dependencies for the two you want to work, don't you?" NO I FUCKING DONT JUST GIVE ME CONNECT AND KONSOLE
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:00 AM
i understand at least part of the reason why, they're apps meant to be used in conjunction with the KDE environment as a whole, but like... it's fucking Linux! what if i just simply wanted to mix and match?
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 8:01 AM
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:01 AM
it could be different from the last time ive tried it, it has been a decent bit since i actually wholeheartedly daily drove Linux, but still, not a very fun thing to deal with from my perspective.
8:04 AM
it especially sucks for me too since when KDE Connect works, i actually do quite like it! and i do think that Konsole is one of the better terminal emulators you can get. it just sucks when it tries to install ten billion other things that i DONT NEED simply because i had the gall to try and use them outside of Plasma
8:05 AM
That's everything that kdeconnect needs on my system
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:06 AM
then it's probably changed since i last tried it myself. good to know for kdeconnect at least.
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Samueru
Click to see attachment 🖼️
a lot of those will end up including a lot of other, smaller stuff
8:07 AM
it's normal, and it is just the byproduct of installing a whole desktop environment's core libraries
8:07 AM
they dont run in the background as daemons or anything so i think having 700MB of "wasted" storage is fine lol
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Also you really can't get a any smaller system
8:07 AM
my OS is 5 GiB
8:08 AM
And that includes home
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:08 AM
it's less than it trying to install basically every other major KDE application. hell, i think the last time i truly tried installing Konsole outside of KDE it fucking tried to install plasma itself, noped the fuck outta that, said "ok maybe another terminal emulator is just fine." that was probably just a weird fringe case, and again that was like 2 years ago, coulda changed since then.
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what distro
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's less than it trying to install basically every other major KDE application. hell, i think the last time i truly tried installing Konsole outside of KDE it fucking tried to install plasma itself, noped the fuck outta that, said "ok maybe another terminal emulator is just fine." that was probably just a weird fringe case, and again that was like 2 years ago, coulda changed since then.
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exio4
what distro
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:09 AM
i think Arch Linux? i was using Xfce
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no idea then
8:09 AM
apt has recommended packages
8:09 AM
whcih do that
8:09 AM
but they're optional
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i think Arch Linux? i was using Xfce
Why did you want to use konsole instead of the xfce4-terminal?
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do they really just name everything "same thing but spelled with K"?
8:14 AM
why isn't it KDE Konnect?
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Egdarska
do they really just name everything "same thing but spelled with K"?
Dolphin is the exception
8:14 AM
inb4 Kolphin
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Samueru
Why did you want to use konsole instead of the xfce4-terminal?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:14 AM
personally find the general feel of the actual terminal emulator itself preferable even on Xfce. entirely personal preference, nothing to really do with functionality or configurability
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Like the screenshots I sent you were with the xfce4-terminal on i3wm
8:15 AM
I has everything I need
8:15 AM
including configurable keybinds
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Kde KonneKt 👀
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The shell is what matters the most for the terminal
8:16 AM
zsh or nothing
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i use iterm
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macs use the zsh shell like god intended
8:17 AM
Although I heard that /bin/sh is not a symlink
8:17 AM
is that true?
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Samueru
The shell is what matters the most for the terminal
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:17 AM
oh absolutely, zsh is absolutely a necessity when im on any unix-like, i just generally prefer Konsole to some of the other terms ive used, at least out of the box
8:18 AM
meow
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:18 AM
meow
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Can't you just symlink sh to dash on macos?
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doesnt seem to be a symlink and has its own manpage
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Are they still using the actual sh shell in 2024?
8:20 AM
The Bourne shell (sh) is a shell command-line interpreter for computer operating systems. The Bourne shell was the default shell for Version 7 Unix. Unix-like systems continue to have /bin/sh—which will be the Bourne shell, or a symbolic link or hard link to a compatible shell—even when other shells are used by most users. Developed by Stephen B...
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is there an actual way to check
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exio4
doesnt seem to be a symlink and has its own manpage
Oh nvm it says there that it will use another shell lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:21 AM
oh so that's why bash is called the "Bourne-again shell"
8:21 AM
im dumb
8:21 AM
meow
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The macos way lol
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Mrow
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instead of a symlink it has to be a program that does the job of a symlink
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universal binary too
8:23 AM
shipping the same binaries on both platforms?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:23 AM
universal binary: for when compiling one arch's binary is simply not enough for you
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LukeTheVideoGamer
oh so that's why bash is called the "Bourne-again shell"
Dash means Debian Almquist shell, cool name
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fish tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:23 AM
fish 🐠
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i fucked up so hard
8:24 AM
its 5am lol
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It is also near 5am here lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:24 AM
it's 1:30am almost here
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i woke up at 23
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/24/2024 8:24 AM
a true night owl
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im in goddamn australian time or something
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my second favorite terry davis video (dont ask me what my favorite is)
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The hardest question and the hardest R in programming
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i cant find my microusb cable...
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Steven Vigo 2/24/2024 2:25 PM
New AM5 motherboard: bios update before or after assembly?
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deadlybydsgn 2/24/2024 2:28 PM
I’m not sure what the advantage is in doing it before
2:29 PM
Regardless, have fun assembling!
2:29 PM
I really enjoyed doing mine in November
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Steven Vigo 2/24/2024 2:38 PM
Me neither, I’m asking ‘cause of YouTubers 😆
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SadSinglePringle 2/24/2024 2:41 PM
after
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Steven Vigo 2/24/2024 2:42 PM
Ok, logic wins. Btw Amazon sent me everything today… and the CPU next Tuesday, that’s evil 😄
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deadlybydsgn 2/24/2024 3:29 PM
I had to wait almost an extra week because my case got hung up on a holiday weekend
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 7:30 PM
@exio4 cp77 works on intel proton now, with shintel performance to match ignore the resolution, that's just how wayland does fractional scaling (1080p 125%) wayland moment (edited)
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Mama mia
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 8:01 PM
just half the windows performance
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GoldenX86_64
just half the windows performance
That most be an issue with the intel drivers, because the deck performs better than the rog ally on that title even though the deck has weaker hardware
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Pc is down building!!!, upgraded my ram speed as well
prometheus 1
8:40 PM
Will do Yuzu tests later!
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Samueru
That most be an issue with the intel drivers, because the deck performs better than the rog ally on that title even though the deck has weaker hardware
GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 8:59 PM
most likely someone said on reddit that the flatpak build of steam is faster with anv, testing that out
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GoldenX86_64
most likely someone said on reddit that the flatpak build of steam is faster with anv, testing that out
You might also wanna try with mesa-git
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 9:02 PM
true, but i hate copr
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copr?
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 9:02 PM
i still need kernel 6.8 to get the new kernel driver
9:02 PM
fedora's user made repos
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Oh I see
9:02 PM
What kernel are you using?
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 9:03 PM
6.7
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Which 6.7?
9:03 PM
All 6.7 had a terrible ram bug until the very last one came out yesterday
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 9:03 PM
6.7.5
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That one has the bug
9:04 PM
Although I think fedora uses madvise for hugepages
9:04 PM
So I shouldnt cause the issue
9:05 PM
it*
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 9:07 PM
6.8 will have a new xe/arc exclusive kernel driver that allows for more vulkan extensions to work
9:07 PM
mesa has support, only the kernel is needed
9:08 PM
hoping that improves proton
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Cool
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GoldenX86_64
i still need kernel 6.8 to get the new kernel driver
shoulda used arch
10:13 PM
kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/24/2024 10:14 PM
Hell no
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one day
10:14 PM
one day
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Fedora is fine
10:18 PM
The only thing to watch out is that fedora tends to adopt breaking changes first
10:18 PM
They were the first to use wayland by default in gnome
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in 2017!
10:18 PM
at that time you could not even use wayland with multiple displays, it would freeze
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oh this is the hyprland guy
10:32 PM
based
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SadSinglePringle 2/24/2024 10:36 PM
i love hyprland
10:46 PM
This vid is great
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yeah I 100% agree with it lmao
10:53 PM
wlroots being that slow with releases is great for sway which is trying to mimic i3 and terrible for anyone else trying to use wlroots
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2:07 AM
STEAM DECK ON TOP RAHHHH
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That's amazing considering the deck has weaker hardware
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Samueru
That's amazing considering the deck has weaker hardware
tied fps, better frametimes 1% and 0.1% lows and better battery
2:33 AM
they tested with everything normalized including resolution
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kek
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Does the steamdeck automatically set the cpu scheduler to performance when playing?
2:34 AM
because phoronix found that greatly improves the fps
2:35 AM
With the ASUS ROG Ally gaming handheld that began shipping last month I've so far looked at the Linux support for this device as well as looking at the Windows 11 vs.
2:36 AM
The ally is using arch there
2:36 AM
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they tested ally with default (performance) (edited)
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the performance acpi mode probably enables what's called turbo in windows
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draws 35Ws
2:38 AM
so yeah ally is better if u wanna buy a mini pc to have plugged in all the time
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Ey phoronix has benchmarks on windows
2:39 AM
On just the ally
2:40 AM
Cyberpunk is better on the ally on windows, but phoronix didn't measure the .1% fps lows though
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.1% fps lows are probably worse on windows lol
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Yeah I imagine
2:40 AM
wtf
2:40 AM
Most be a driver issue
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gn cites software for why the frametimes and 1% and 0.1% lows are so bad (edited)
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Samueru
Most be a driver issue
amd and windows?
2:41 AM
yeah
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Holy shit from 17 to 74 fps
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wtf
2:41 AM
unless the acpi mode
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draws more power than the windows turbo (edited)
2:41 AM
that is crazy
2:42 AM
they actually sold by putting it on windows
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That doesn't even make sense
2:42 AM
Someone tell me what a Windows 11 Turbo means
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ally has custom software
2:42 AM
there's a button called turbo
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Oh, ROG Ally
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it makes it draw 35w and kills the battery in 30minutes
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Most be the same as setting the cpu scheduler to turbo on linux
2:43 AM
That's what gamemode does
2:43 AM
and iirc for steam games you have to add gamemode in the launch options
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Are they using the drivers Asus ships?
2:43 AM
Those things are typically 2 months old 💀
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GN updated everything to latest
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so the benchmarks that gamernexus did could have been even better for the deck if they setup gamemode
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and had much better results
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You can install the ones from the AMD website now with a minimal workaround, last I heard
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Otherwise you're relying on Asus, who can't make software
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phoronix did something wrong lol
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Definitely
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maybe it's old drivers
2:45 AM
oh wait
2:45 AM
GN used FSR 2.1
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phoronix did something wrong lol
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 2:45 AM
Shocking (edited)
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there u go
2:45 AM
nah it's fsr
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I don't see what phoronix did wrong though
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they didn't
2:45 AM
GN just used FSR 2.1
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That still wouldn't 3x the framerate
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true
2:46 AM
explains a bit though
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Does F1 22 run natively on Linux now?
2:47 AM
Or is that still through Proton or something?
2:48 AM
Crazy results if that's through Proton, but something is still wrong
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proton
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  • Steam Deck: Scaling Governor: acpi-cpufreq schedutil
2:48 AM
Oh fuck that means that the results on the deck could have been much better
2:49 AM
They didn't use gamemode while the rog ally was tested with the turbo thing
2:49 AM
schedutil drops my fps by half on beamng for example
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Samueru
schedutil drops my fps by half on beamng for example
does changing that increase power at all though (edited)
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Yes it does
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yeahhh
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Just in case what I mean is that performance increases the power draw, schudutil drops it instead
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Moonlacer
That still wouldn't 3x the framerate
oh
2:51 AM
also GN normalized everything (everything at 720p) (edited)
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I will still stand on my point that these first generation devices aren't worth it
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phoronix tested rog with 1080p
2:51 AM
deck with it's native res (edited)
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Ah, native vs native
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yeah different res + upscaling making up that difference
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The 1080p screen is for YouTube and 2D games livereaction
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Moonlacer
The 1080p screen is for YouTube and 2D games livereaction
not even 2d games lol
2:53 AM
dead cells lasts like 8hs on the deck
2:53 AM
and 2hs on the ally
2:53 AM
i'd much rather have the 8hs
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I can't wait for the MSI handheld
2:53 AM
It's going to be so bad
2:53 AM
Intel graphics
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I wanna know the battery life on the msi one
2:54 AM
it is already bad on the rog ally lol
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Now imagine Intel efficiency
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Like that shit might not even do 2 hours lol
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Unless they double the battery capacity somehow I expect 1/3-2/3 less lifespan
2:55 AM
Unless the CPU ends up being equivalent to a Celeron or something
2:55 AM
In which case it's ewaste
2:58 AM
Those 6 P-cores better be running at 1Ghz
2:59 AM
It seems Intel is trying to get their Ultra lineup to idle with LP E-cores only, now
2:59 AM
I thought E-cores would be the solution to efficiency, but apparently that wasn't enough and we need a V2
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Samueru
wtf
takanome9104 2/25/2024 3:24 AM
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deadlybydsgn 2/25/2024 4:39 AM
I don’t trust MSI to do much well, honestly
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Samueru
They didn't use gamemode while the rog ally was tested with the turbo thing
?
4:48 AM
steamdeck's boosting is actually custom
4:48 AM
it explicitly tradeoffs "peak performance" for efficiency
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Zen 2’s launch was a defining moment for AMD. For the first time in many, many years, AMD’s single thread performance could go head to head with Intel’s best. Zen 2 also started a trend where AMD b…
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it takes a whole real-life second
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to reach peak frequency lol
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Yeah but the rog ally was tested with turbo which is misleading
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And why am I surprised that exio is correcting me about efficiency lol (edited)
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its my only personality trait
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Samueru
Yeah but the rog ally was tested with turbo which is misleading
yea fair
4:50 AM
but the problem is that the amd laptop chips are optimized for that
4:50 AM
they dont have the firmware love of the deck
4:50 AM
>This kind of boost behavior is terrible for a client device. It’s going to feel a lot less responsive than other Zen 2 systems. For comparison, Renoir reaches its maximum boost clock in 9.35 ms. Even older CPUs like Piledriver and Haswell can reach maximum clocks in less than 100 ms, which makes me think this boost policy is deliberate. Behavior is similarly bad on both Windows and SteamOS. Perhaps Valve did so in order to extend battery life at the expense of responsiveness.
4:51 AM
1000 ms vs 9.35 ms kek
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I will make a shell named after exio, the exsh shell, that will only only print "muh efficiency" when called kek
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it'll actually do nothing
4:51 AM
muh efficiency would be too power hungry
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lmao
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its funny to me tho
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it will turn off the pc
4:51 AM
there is just efficiency
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steamdeck is cringe in "theoretical specs"
4:52 AM
its underspec as fuck, but because it doesn't have to throttle to sub-idle power to do gaming, it is actually great
4:52 AM
rog ally is like raw specs go brr but it performs like shit
4:52 AM
lovely
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what do you think the msi thing will perform like?
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at deck tdps? humiliation for intel
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at rog ally tdps? kinda a wash, better for some workloads, worse for others
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But like does it even have a change of having better battery life than the ally?
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at > rog tdps? it'll pull ahead
4:53 AM
no lol
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Samueru
kek
This is insane, and linux isn't known for having good battery life on laptops
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yeah idk why they went with 1080p
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they're not handhelds
4:56 AM
they're PCs
4:57 AM
the PC market buys based off spec sheet
4:57 AM
"broo the rog ally has 1080p display and 8 cores its twice as good as the deck"
  • people buying off specs
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Samueru
This is insane, and linux isn't known for having good battery life on laptops
the deck oled there is also doing worse than it could
5:06 AM
if you normalize vs the deck lcd, with 60 hz - or play visual novels at 30 hz, you can get 11-12 hours if you really want to push it
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Cool
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its what you get with game streaming
5:06 AM
a friend charges his deck once a week or so
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I would try to undervolt it a bit if possible
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you can, but you aren't gaining much at the ultra low power bits
5:07 AM
the soc is already using very little power, your screen, vrm, fans, etc all use much more power lol
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Oh yeah that's true
5:07 AM
on my phone the screen is what takes half the battery life
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i mean, you might get improved battery life from lowering your volume at that point too
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Or use headphones instead
5:08 AM
Some headphones get to 90dBSPL with 1mW
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id use bluetooth
5:10 AM
which is gonna be more power hungry
5:10 AM
i guess
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Oh and when I talked about the phone battery life, that is with bluetooth off
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i never turn off bluetooth
5:11 AM
on any of my devices
5:11 AM
meow
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I assume IOS has some optimization on that
5:12 AM
because on android it gets automatically turned off by the battery saver if it is not used
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i am technically always connected on my phone
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to my watch
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lol
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I only used bluetooth headphones for a while
5:13 AM
some cheapo skullcandy that my sister bought because she didn't want to use wired headphones
5:13 AM
after seeing that she had to manually connect the thing between the laptop and the smartphone she stopped using them lol
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yeah airpods dont need that 😛
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Then I used them for a while when doing stuff like working on remodels
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they automatically connect too
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and the bloody switch that turns them on broke lol
5:15 AM
I will stick with my koss ksc75
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so i might be playing music on the phone, pause it, and press play on the laptop
5:15 AM
and they automatically switch~
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Been using them since 2014 (edited)
5:15 AM
Get a pair they are very cheap and also very good
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i want headphones lately
5:17 AM
but i also want anc/transparency mode (edited)
5:18 AM
i hope the airpods max 2 are good
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what's transparency mode that you can hear the outside?
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yes, and Apple's transparency mode is nearly life-like
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Get the ksc75 then
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i forget i have the earbuds in at times,
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they don't isolate in the slightless
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that.. misses the point
5:19 AM
the point is that i can just say "hey siri, turn on ANC" and they magically close off lol
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or press them, do it from the ui
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etc
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mmm and why would want that?
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because i want ANC too
5:20 AM
depending on what's happening
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if i am outside i want ANC
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until i go to a store
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then i enable transparency mode
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etc
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Like the traffic is too bad that you need to isolate when outside?
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just removing background noise
5:21 AM
you've got anc headphones before?
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I've had closed headphones that "isolate" the noise a bit
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I don't like them, I feel like I'm missing something
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anc is a step above that
5:22 AM
if the frequencies are right, it can sensory deprivation like, you take them off after a day and fell like there's too much noise in just ... normal noise lol
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ive got ice cream
5:37 AM
as soon as i fix this code im watching the kim possible movie
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Bruh anc is amazing
5:43 AM
Mine have "transparency" by necessity because i need them to boost the world sound, but then i get a call and can just use anc to remove noise, or lower the world volume if I'm on the street
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The ksc75 isolate nothing that I can just place the phone speaker next to my ear as if the headphone wasn't on the way and speak that way lol
5:44 AM
and kdeconnect already pauses the music once I get a call
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When I say they isolate nothing I mean nothing
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there's even a measurement that shows the isolate 0 dB
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Are they open ears or the seal is just defective?
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clip on open ears headphones
5:46 AM
From 20 to 2000 Hz they isolate nothing xd
5:46 AM
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Well then that's the point of them i guess, open ears have great dynamics but I wouldn't use them outside
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I use them outside
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I even use them while driving lol (not listening to music of course)
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The only way I see myself using closed headphones is if I live in a place where there is a constant noise I can't get rid off
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Driving is different, i wouldn't expect the car interior to be very noisy
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I also use them when walking and in the stores
5:49 AM
it is cool because I can talk without having to turn off the music or remove the headphones
5:49 AM
like background music from a game lol
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Egdarska
Driving is different, i wouldn't expect the car interior to be very noisy
>wouldn't expect
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bro if im driving its on a shitty argie car
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its noiser than the outside fr
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Lol
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Samueru
it is cool because I can talk without having to turn off the music or remove the headphones
yeah, that's why transparency mode rocks
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You get both
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 5:51 AM
Creaky cars are mandatory here
5:52 AM
I need to wd40 the passenger's belt lock
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@exio4 1.6GiB written in 12 hours
5:56 AM
Hey I also realized that getting the steamdeck to use zram instead of zswap should save a bit on the battery life as well
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:01 AM
Poor CPU
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Mine why?
6:02 AM
I'm very happy with it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:02 AM
No matter what, it gotta compress
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There really isn't a measurable difference
6:03 AM
phoronix tested zstd compression on filesystem level for btrfs and there wasn't a difference
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and also iirc zswap still compresses
6:04 AM
The only thing the poor cpu has to do now is encode with x264 because I have amd lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:04 AM
Amd encoding, legendary stuff
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zram is a Linux kernel module that allows you to create RAM-backed block devices with up to 5:1 compression. zram devices can be used like any other block device. They are typically used to make compressed swap devices using a machines RAM. They can also be used to store /tmp and anything else one might want to store on a compressed RAM-drive. F...
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Zram saved almost 2 hours in the compile time of chromium wiht a very crappy Athlon 5350 cpu
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:05 AM
Does the deck use zram by default?
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It uses zswap
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:05 AM
Nice, Jaguar moment
6:06 AM
I would use zram, 16gb sucks for totk
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and with a high swappiness for some reason
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I would use zram, 16gb sucks for totk
I used to play totk with 8GiB of mem and a gtx 1060 3GiB, it ram perfectly ram usage wise when using zram
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:07 AM
Windows uses it automatically, but steamos should have an option then
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Yeah mario odyssey ran out of mem on windows years ago
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I can even launch totk with 4GiB of mem if the zram is big enough lol
6:09 AM
And vram usage went down considerably with the last mainline update btw
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:10 AM
More incoming
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Gidoly just tagged the other vram saver
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:13 AM
4gb and igpu users rejoice
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Hell, i wanna see how it helps 2gb gpus
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:17 AM
This should allow Tears of the Kingdom to run a bit better with low vram cards by avoiding dumping the ASTC environment maps until the last moment possible. I tried to reproduce the freezing-on-men...
6:18 AM
totk on my pixel 3a soon
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:18 AM
Decoded textures (ASTC on desktop, BCn on Android) will use less vram
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does Adreno not support both ASTC & BCn?
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Hey how is the state of the intel igpus that have astc on mesa with yuzu?
6:19 AM
better than windows
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:19 AM
Adreno supports everything
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or not even playable?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:20 AM
Mali and AMD doesn't
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Samueru
better than windows
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:20 AM
If you stick to opengl, better than windows
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If you only mean Vulkan, a tradeoff
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But the native astc works right?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:21 AM
Windows renders some things better but crashes or has other rendering issues due to stupid arbitrary limitations, or Mesa renders lime trash
6:21 AM
The native ASTC works
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i only have 38% battery left that won't be enough for watching the kim possible movie + pizza Noo
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:21 AM
Lets me play totk with 16gb total fine
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That's great
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:22 AM
But on windows the driver is trash, ogl and vulkan
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And on linux vulkan is trash
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What a shame, looks like mesa can't pull this miracle
6:22 AM
same with arc gaming on linux lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:22 AM
I believe they can but it will take 3 years
6:23 AM
Remember when gcn went from opengl 2.1 to radv? (edited)
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Would be funny if asashi gets the astc and vulkan working on the m1 before the intel igpus can lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:23 AM
Lol, probable
6:24 AM
Asahi would help boost moltenvk too
6:24 AM
The moltenvk devs are having wayland moments, blocking critical features just because
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Typical linux progress, snail pace (edited)
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foss is so cool, everyone gets along and works towards a common goal kek
6:30 AM
i'm still mad they took so long bitching and bickering about the eevee shadows in blender
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Egdarska
foss is so cool, everyone gets along and works towards a common goal kek
Wayland is going very bad, imagine if the linux kernel had the same development where there wasn't linus dictating what was going to be done and instead everyone gets fighting for months on how should icons be rendered.
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lol, i know, wayland has been "almost usable" for years now
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and then they change it and break it more
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wayland is like argentinas economy
6:31 AM
having the potential forever
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i'd not insult argentina's economy like that
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wasn't there also a whole distro that came out because the ubuntu team couldn't stop fighting about which desktop to use?
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i seem to remember that's why mint is a thing but i might be wrong
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i just remember the ubuntu devs always fighting about something
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Like a thousand distros have come out of ubuntu lol
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but one of the biggest moments was when ubuntu stopped using unity
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that pissed a lot of people
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hot take
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unity wasnt bad
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iirc that is how the MATE desktop enviroment was born
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in retrospective it was pretty good
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yeah, i kinda liked it
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i only used it for a few months tho
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But yeah now you also have forks of ubuntu which main point is that they remove snaps
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there are also protests distros that remove systemd from debian and arch
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ubuntu has become more irrelevant recently, even on the steam survey arch has more users than it
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no
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the world if linux mfs could stop fighting about trivial shit and focused on getting just one distro usable enough to leave windows
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exio4
no
no what? steam or the irrelevant?
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Samueru
no what? steam or the irrelevant?
irrelevant
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ubuntu is the default WSL2 distro
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lol
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Oh you mean that
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I was talking desktop usage and gaming
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how many steamdecks are out there?
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a few millions
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That can give you an idea of the number of linux gamers lol
6:37 AM
steamos is 42% for linux
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Samueru
steamos is 42% for linux
so like 200?
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pff
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Egdarska
so like 200?
Maybe 1 million at most kek
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i wish steam published the full number
6:39 AM
i want to know exactly how many people are still using those 1 core cpus in the survey
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But holy shit you on reddit and it looks like 50% of all users are running linux lol
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maybe have someone doxx them and just ask why
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And the other 50% has tried at least once
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yeah, i had my linux moment from 2011-2013ish
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never wanted to try again
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Egdarska
never wanted to try again
never say never
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i always still have a recovery usb though
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so that's using linux i guess
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I actually tried to get arch installed on a encrypted usb drive so I can always have something to boot on if the ssd dies
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so the best use for linux i have is fixing windows when it fucks up
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but that went horribly wrong lol
6:41 AM
I think something is missing on my PC because I can't get the smart report from the HDDs when connected with usb and have to use sata
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how old is the motherboard?
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It is some chinesium X99 board
6:42 AM
it is "new"
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you might need those usb thingies, i forget what it's called
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but made of recycled parts
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Samueru
It is some chinesium X99 board
lol, rip
6:42 AM
might be one of the things cut to save money
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It's got usb 3.0 though
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my old fx motherboard had usb 3.0 tho
6:43 AM
that's not really a "feature" nowadays
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My older 1155 board didn't kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:43 AM
I remember teaching people about the blue ports
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And what is weird is that this new board supports nvme
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i think that was one of the issues with intel, didn't they keep usb 3.0 off the lower end boards?
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i remember that being a thing in the fx days
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:44 AM
Yep
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Typical intel
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which wasn't relevant anyway because lol, usb 3.0 transfer speeds on an fx chip
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i had usb3 on my now 10+ year old board
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:44 AM
Virtualization? Pay Usb3? Pay Nvme? Pay
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Egdarska
which wasn't relevant anyway because lol, usb 3.0 transfer speeds on an fx chip
I also have a PC with a FM2+ cpu
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that cpu is so bad
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so bad that it cannot saturate the gigabit port lmao
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that was one of the reasons why i bought an fx 6300, it cost me like $160 with the board included, and it was completely unlocked
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:45 AM
Fm2+, top kek of the keks
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so i could overclock it to near i3 performance 👍
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:45 AM
That platform was so cursed
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Samueru
I also have a PC with a FM2+ cpu
was that the amd athlon 2 x64 whatever? i think that's what mine had
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Samueru
so bad that it cannot saturate the gigabit port lmao
The fucking cpu goes to 100% when downloading at limits the speed to like 300 mbps
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Egdarska
was that the amd athlon 2 x64 whatever? i think that's what mine had
A8 7800 IIRC
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:45 AM
Worst cpu ever to get an igpu with usable drivers (edited)
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The prices we paid
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Some of those cpus actually made it to AM4 btw
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there were OEM only iirc
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:46 AM
I have a 9600
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They were sold to the public here
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Samueru
A8 7800 IIRC
mine was FM2 💀
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GoldenX86_64
They were sold to the public here
didn't know that
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:47 AM
Had gcn3 and 2400mhz ddr4 RAM support
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The gpu was great, the cpu was a waste of the mobo resources
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Those cores were a waste on sata ssds
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:48 AM
Gimme tldr
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gib money pls
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6:48 AM
honestly i don't know how intel ever got away with completely locked down cpus, and locking down overclocking per chipset
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:49 AM
Locking down ram support
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i actually am annoyed that overclocking is so easily allowed
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Egdarska
honestly i don't know how intel ever got away with completely locked down cpus, and locking down overclocking per chipset
It starts with F and ends with X
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exio4
i actually am annoyed that overclocking is so easily allowed
true corpo moment (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:49 AM
Locking down instruction sets, SEVERAL
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yeah instruction sets are cringe
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Samueru
It starts with F and ends with X
lel
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:49 AM
No sse4.1 or sse4.2 for you No avx, avx2, fma for you (edited)
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but i believe stability should be something that is nearly guaranteed on consumer platforms
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exio4
but i believe stability should be something that is nearly guaranteed on consumer platforms
don't buy pre-overclocked systems then
6:50 AM
but you have the option if you want
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exio4
but i believe stability should be something that is nearly guaranteed on consumer platforms
disable the low power states as well
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no that's fine, but XMP is shit
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true
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:50 AM
True
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XMP is one of the worst things to have happened to consumer platforms
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but that's an oem issue
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lack of ECC is shit too
6:50 AM
intel is guilty of it
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iirc nvidia does this on their server gpus, they don't allow them to go to the very low power states due to the small chance that it might crash
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Samueru
iirc nvidia does this on their server gpus, they don't allow them to go to the very low power states due to the small chance that it might crash
no
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they do lower peak clocks
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hot take, if you overclock your ram on a modern system i'm going to assume your parents never removed the old lead paint from your childhood home
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exio4
no
Or only in linux it does that lol
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Egdarska
hot take, if you overclock your ram on a modern system i'm going to assume your parents never removed the old lead paint from your childhood home
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:51 AM
What if i enable xmp and increase ram clock speed
6:52 AM
3600 to 3933 gang
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GoldenX86_64
What if i enable xmp and increase ram clock speed
leaded fuels and its effects on the human brain, showcase 1:
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i mean, it's fine if it's something the ram is "certified" to do
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We had leaded fuel until 2006 here
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Samueru
Or only in linux it does that lol
it does that on all cards i think
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:52 AM
You are envious i have better latency than jedec ddr5
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like if you buy 4600 ram but it runs at 4200 by default, but xmp enables the 4600 and it's certified to be stable, it's just working as intended
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you just need to enable "give me stability please" mode
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Egdarska
like if you buy 4600 ram but it runs at 4200 by default, but xmp enables the 4600 and it's certified to be stable, it's just working as intended
no
6:52 AM
XMP isn't truly certified that way
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mfs wasting 3 days to get 3200 ram to run at 3340 is just why bro
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exio4
XMP isn't truly certified that way
not xmp, the ram
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yes, I know, it isn't Certified™️ that way
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the vendor certifies the ram for a given speed, even if it's not jdec
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Egdarska
like if you buy 4600 ram but it runs at 4200 by default, but xmp enables the 4600 and it's certified to be stable, it's just working as intended
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:53 AM
I had a 3200 xmp kit, from before 3200 was in jedec, that was unstable at 3200 unless you introduced all the xmp values manually (edited)
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like i said, that's an oem issue
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try getting warranty for XMP
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it's just false advertising
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I can't really do OC because my xeon CPU can only do 2133 mhz max lol
6:54 AM
Intel doing intel things
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my point is at that point it's not the fault of the user, it's a defective product
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Samueru
I can't really do OC because my xeon CPU can only do 2133 mhz max lol
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:54 AM
Base clock time!
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104 to the rescue
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Egdarska
my point is at that point it's not the fault of the user, it's a defective product
XMP is not "guaranteed"
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The more expensive X99 xeons allow 3200 mhz
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go to AMD and they'll you to fuck off go to your motherboard vendor, and they'll tell you to fuck off
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go to your memory, guess what you get from them too
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GoldenX86_64
Base clock time!
And the V3 xeons there's a hack a allows turbo boost on all cores
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:55 AM
Xmp is not guaranteed even on a stick level
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Its a lottery
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that's my point
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JEDEC is the only thing you can say it's a True Guarantee™️
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regardless of whether they will take responsibility or not, it's not a user issue at that point
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:55 AM
Or whatever kingston used on ddr4
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i remember overclocking my 1600 ram on the 6300 to 1866
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it almost worked
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but the fx cpus had issues with having 4 sticks of ram
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I did do memory OC on the FM2 cpu and it worked lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:56 AM
That controller did 1900 on miracles
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the poor igpu needed the faster mem
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:56 AM
The igpu was so starved
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Even lowering timings helped a lot
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They also did like 50% gpu oc
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AMD owns me something for having bought that FM2 cpu
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:57 AM
Yeah, half the cores
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they literally owe me money for having bought a 6300 kek
6:58 AM
i just never bothered to get the check
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:58 AM
How much was it?
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AMD owes me something from having experienced their software stack once
6:58 AM
that shit gives you PTSD and costs years of therapy to get back
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Samueru
AMD owns me something for having bought that FM2 cpu
Like hopefully they do a buyback to the old FM2 and FX users like how xioami did to their early users that helped them take off when they were suffering
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GoldenX86_64
How much was it?
it was $12 million divided by every user
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it will never happen though
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so like $23
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:58 AM
Don't get me started on Intel GPU drivers Gma3150 suffering
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Hell gma950 suffering, I was there too
6:59 AM
Back when everyone was doing d3d10 drivers and Intel couldn't do d3d8 ones
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what does intel atom n270 have
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 6:59 AM
3150
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exio4
what does intel atom n270 have
pain
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apparently you could get up to $300 per cpu, depending on the cpu you bought
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i loved my intel atom n270
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but still
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i want an acer aspire one d250
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and put an m1 on it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:00 AM
The d3d9 GPU that did vertex shaders on the CPU, and couldn't decode any video
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Is it even 64 bit?
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and to be fair, i wasn't scammed because i knew what i was buying
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Egdarska
and to be fair, i wasn't scammed because i knew what i was buying
same
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:00 AM
The 400 series was 64 bit
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my fx 6100 was stupidly cheap
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it was cheaper than an i3
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and it did virtualization
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exio4
my fx 6100 was stupidly cheap
Oh shit poor soul
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which mattered for me, the price competitor [pentiums] didn't do it
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my 6300 did 60fps in control, i think i got my money's worth
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:00 AM
Back when virt support was a plus
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in windows 10 only, windows 8.1 was a slideshow
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:01 AM
Win10 fixed so much of fx kek
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i used linux
7:01 AM
meow
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yeah, it was like getting an upgrade
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:01 AM
No idea how good the kernel was for fx
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booting was so snappy compared it's insane
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If you bought an i5 2500 in 2011 that cpu would have run every game until like 2019
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snappy = took a minute instead of 2
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the fuck?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:02 AM
I had a phenom ii at the time, non-turbo monolithic quad core, no software hacks required
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i consider booting to be done when the right click menu appears and firefox finally launched
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yeah still
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before that it has "booted" but you can't use it
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Samueru
If you bought an i5 2500 in 2011 that cpu would have run every game until like 2019
bro i was using my 6300 for gaming in 2022
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:03 AM
I hate hitting enter like 10 times on windows 11 to get the pin dialog
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Fucking finish booting then ask
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newest game i ran on it was elden ring
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silky smooth 40fps
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:03 AM
Something i love about linux on the laptop, true snappiness
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GoldenX86_64
I had a phenom ii at the time, non-turbo monolithic quad core, no software hacks required
idk
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Egdarska
bro i was using my 6300 for gaming in 2022
How did battlefield V run?
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all CPUs need software hacks lol
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Samueru
How did battlefield V run?
i never got it
7:04 AM
battlefield 1 was fine tho
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Samueru
How did battlefield V run?
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:04 AM
Did you ever try battlefield 1 on the apu? It was shit
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even when you have multiple homogeneous core with a fixed frequency
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GoldenX86_64
Did you ever try battlefield 1 on the apu? It was shit
Nope
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you have IMU congestion, etc
7:04 AM
you have core-to-core latencies to vibe with
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Egdarska
i never got it
My i7 2600s struggled on that title
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exio4
all CPUs need software hacks lol
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:04 AM
Sure, but this one didn't for thread management kek
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CPU dumped to L3, and downclocking was handled on hardware
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Too bad it didn't have real sse4
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no, that's the thing
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Samueru
My i7 2600s struggled on that title
battlefield 4 ran pefect though
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you still need some hacks
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i think the crowning achievement of that 6300 was running hyrule warriors at like 24fps in yuzu
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this was around 2021
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Egdarska
i think the crowning achievement of that 6300 was running hyrule warriors at like 24fps in yuzu
What made you get the FX?
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exio4
you still need some hacks
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:06 AM
I suffered early k10 kernel issues It was worse than on windows
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so before the buffer rewrite i think
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did you fall into a meme?
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it was cheap
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Egdarska
it was cheap
Like cheaper than a used sandy or ivy bridge?
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GoldenX86_64
I suffered early k10 kernel issues It was worse than on windows
im just saying that all cpus need software "hacks"
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i don't know, i don't really like buying used
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:07 AM
They do, but nowhere close to alder lake thanfully
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cpus don't naively support multithreading the way you think they should even, the OS is a whole ass metaphorical hack
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my plan was to buy it and then just buy a better pc, but i never had a moment where i thought "this is unusable"
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Egdarska
i don't know, i don't really like buying used
When I bought the FM2 cpu I quickly realized how bad it was and then bought a used 1155 with a 2600s
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it was cheaper than the FM2 combo lol
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it ran sekiro at close to locked 60 and that's all i played for a while
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it was fine for me
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GoldenX86_64
They do, but nowhere close to alder lake thanfully
this is like comparing the power consumption of a 14900KS vs a 14900KS day to day
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Then I gave the FM2+ PC to my father and he didn't like it either
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it also ran jedi fallen order pretty well
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:08 AM
I think only linux got alder lake right
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Samueru
Then I gave the FM2+ PC to my father and he didn't like it either
so I bought another used sandy combo lol
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fx chips were stupidly high clocked
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vs the later APUs
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you can't really compare them across (edited)
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FX chips did perform better
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Samueru
so I bought another used sandy combo lol
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:08 AM
Wish those where readily available here You either went used pentium/i3, or amd
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exio4
fx chips were stupidly high clocked
they kinda had to, have you used an fx chip with base clocks?
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Egdarska
they kinda had to, have you used an fx chip with base clocks?
yes
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Samueru
so I bought another used sandy combo lol
This one had 8GB of mem + a i5 2400 + motherboard for 40 usd
7:09 AM
in like 2018
7:10 AM
I had my mango moment buying used dells lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:10 AM
FX was usable APUs were trash
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i hate zen1
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The APUs were the same CPUs but limted to "4" cores
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Samueru
The APUs were the same CPUs but limted to "4" cores
no
7:10 AM
they had clocked everything much lower too, and they also had later iterations of the architecture
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Samueru
The APUs were the same CPUs but limted to "4" cores
2 hyperthreaded cores *
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:11 AM
The entire FM1/2/2+ platform was VERY unstable too Like, Zen1 was rock solid by comparison unstable
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like a cpu is not just a core
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Egdarska
2 hyperthreaded cores *
its not really that either
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:11 AM
2 cores sharing one float
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exio4
like a cpu is not just a core
(you have a lot of things like the memory controlled etc, and the APUs were not "optimized" for performance, but ok power consumption)
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its why APUs were so shit
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passmark is measuring raw throughput of the core
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:13 AM
They also gave priority to the GPU instead of the CPU in the power balance Full GPU use left you with a dual core at 1.4ghz
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not the whole ass chip
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exio4
passmark is measuring raw throughput of the core
What benchmark should I look for then?
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GoldenX86_64
They also gave priority to the GPU instead of the CPU in the power balance Full GPU use left you with a dual core at 1.4ghz
The athlons don't have igpu
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Samueru
What benchmark should I look for then?
gaming is a good measurement for responsiveness
this 1
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Samueru
The athlons don't have igpu
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:14 AM
They still suck kek
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As much as the FX did
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:14 AM
Gaming on those apus was bad even with a dgpu
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yeah the athlons weren't as shit but i mostly remember the APUs being
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uh
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exio4
gaming is a good measurement for responsiveness
Very hard to find gaming benchmarks comparing the 750K to a FX4300
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Samueru
Very hard to find gaming benchmarks comparing the 750K to a FX4300
nobody should have bought either kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:15 AM
The "get a gpu later" deal was only true for Intel, or with Ryzen
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the AMD cpus of the era are like RDNA rn
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:15 AM
Rdna is not as bad kek
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you only pick a RX6600 with the 70 gotchas because the only alternative is a 3050
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exio4
the AMD cpus of the era are like RDNA rn
i dunno, were the fx cpus fundamentally broken?
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they were just shit
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Egdarska
i dunno, were the fx cpus fundamentally broken?
yeah, the CMT architecture is like RDNA in that regard
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a bad architectural bet
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you know why GCN aged well? focusing on compute
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you know Pascal aged like shit? it didn't focus on compute
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Egdarska
i dunno, were the fx cpus fundamentally broken?
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:16 AM
They were impossible to schedule
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Was there any difference between kaveri and carrizo?
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now do you wanna know who is focusing on compute, and who isn't?
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intel
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carrizo was a weird refresh that amd did to FM2+
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:16 AM
Mali deepfried
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FX never had it
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Egdarska
intel
Intel is too
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Samueru
carrizo was a weird refresh that amd did to FM2+
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:17 AM
The only real change was getting gcn gpus iirc
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RDNA is AMD's Pascal (edited)
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Samueru
FX never had it
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a gaming-first architecture, that tries to have less but smarter compute
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The X4 845 is carrizo btw
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It is actually clocked lower than the rest
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just look at the architecture
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Has more L1 cache
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but less L2 cache
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exio4
a gaming-first architecture, that tries to have less but smarter compute
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:19 AM
This would be less of a problem if they added goddamn dedicated units for denoising
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GoldenX86_64
This would be less of a problem if they added goddamn dedicated units for denoising
?
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NVIDIA doesn't have dedicated units for denoising
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they have Tensor Cores™️
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:19 AM
Those are dedicated units
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tensors are vastly more generic 😛
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:20 AM
Its still separate die space used for it
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Vs dumping everything to compute
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its compute
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:20 AM
But not generic
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Else xess would use it
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bruh
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GoldenX86_64
But not generic
it is generic
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:20 AM
Under cuda
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Or nvidia rt extensions
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All major platform APIs have now released a similar extensions for cooperative matrix: Metal introduced simdgroup_matrix in MSL 3.1 HLSL has support in SM6.8 (currently experimental release) SPIR-V...
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no
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there are instructions for it nowadays
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:22 AM
And how do you think nvidia implements that extension for gtx cards
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tensor accelerated video post processing when?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:22 AM
Regular compute
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Amd ends up doing the same
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Egdarska
tensor accelerated video post processing when?
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:22 AM
Rtx video?
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yes, gtx cards don't have tensor, but rtx cards do so they're much faster at these things kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:22 AM
Bingo, my point with rdna
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GoldenX86_64
Rtx video?
i meant generic
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:22 AM
There is no tensor on rdna
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intel has their own things
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:23 AM
Everything falls into compute
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Intel has their big ass mxm
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yeah, i mean
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it's all compute
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you can run this on your CPU too
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:23 AM
can we all just agree that all graphics cards suck and should be burned
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and for example: Apple has AMX units per "CCX"
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you get machine learning acceleration... tensor... on your cpu!
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and they also put these ... on the gpu!
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and you have the NPU!
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everybody gets AI compute kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:24 AM
Meanwhile rdna does fp16
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Apple actually uses their hardware bits based on vibes
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their software stack is gonna dynamically use the CPU, GPU or NPU
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depending on what it sees is less utilized, and the size of the workload, etc
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:24 AM
PT sucks on rdna because there's no specific hardware for denoising
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Compute is carrying everything
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And as you say, it's smaller
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GoldenX86_64
PT sucks on rdna because there's no specific hardware for denoising
or ray tracing
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daily reminder fucking APPLE has more technically advanced RT acceleration in than RDNA3 by now
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what the fuck is happening
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amd gonna amd
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the goddamn phone company
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:25 AM
I hope amd gets the memo and adds a tensor equivalent already (edited)
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with their underwhelming GPUs
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is outperforming AMD
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they will if sony forces them to
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yeah microsoft is forcing them too
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it's not a question of if
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it's a question of when lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:26 AM
Microsoft threatened to go arm or Intel for the next xbox
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fully intel xbox
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:26 AM
Intel will push hard for it
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Egdarska
fully intel xbox
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:27 AM
Back to the OG kek
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that would honestly be pretty great, intel would have no choice but to get their gpus together
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Egdarska
fully intel xbox
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:27 AM
or perhaps another intel-nvidia "match made in hell" xbox like the og
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:27 AM
Ada xbox, would not suck
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How terrible how the Phenom II performed like a FX cpu lol
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the og xbox was great tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:27 AM
the og xbox rocked i agree
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GoldenX86_64
Ada xbox, would not suck
would probably be the next architecture
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:28 AM
i just got so bored and exhausted of seeing so many Intel CPU Nvidia GPU PCs before Ryzen that i don't wanna see anything like it on consoles
kek 1
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but console gaming with dlss is already a huge win
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:28 AM
Blackwell? Doubt it Nvidia sells you outdated crap
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now add fake frames and suddenly it's pretty decent
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immortals of aveum is suddenly looking like a native 1080p game
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:29 AM
Jensen: Oh you wanna make a console? Here, have some ampere
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Egdarska
immortals of aveum is suddenly looking like a native 1080p game
reflex
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🔥
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that too
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:29 AM
Where is intel's take on reflex
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i just got so bored and exhausted of seeing so many Intel CPU Nvidia GPU PCs before Ryzen that i don't wanna see anything like it on consoles
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:30 AM
like i know there's a reason Intel and Nvidia dominated (and in some cases still dominates) their respective markets but there's only so many different configurations of blue and green before it starts muddying into a blur
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:30 AM
We have ryzen now, don't worry
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i played god of war in the 30fps mode on a ps5
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it felt so fucking bad
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how do console bros get used to it? (edited)
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u dont
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its all copium
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:30 AM
Remember when ryzen got released, and nvidia tweeted "finally a real cpu for our gpus"
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:30 AM
no because i was 13
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:31 AM
Hah zoomer
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The OG xbox one and PS4 pulled some miracles with the cpus they had
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i dont remember it either
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:31 AM
yeah yeah laugh it up
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exio4
i dont remember it either
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:31 AM
You were born with turing, remember
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:31 AM
plus i was a little preoccupied with my fancy schmancy Nintendo Switch at the time
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LukeTheVideoGamer
yeah yeah laugh it up
he laughs because he misses his childhood years
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Samueru
The OG xbox one and PS4 pulled some miracles with the cpus they had
kinda, but most games that were actually impressive were locked to 30fps
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GoldenX86_64
You were born with turing, remember
i only followed turing cuz of tensor
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lol
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i actually didnt care about gpus
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before
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Egdarska
kinda, but most games that were actually impressive were locked to 30fps
The cpus were worse than the FX cpus, they were FM1, like those cpus could not run anything on pc lol
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they were very limited in RAM amounts and performance/$ didn't make sense
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exio4
i actually didnt care about gpus
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:32 AM
Shame, the raster race era was amazing
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i didnt mean the rt stuff
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i actually just became interested when tensor hit consumers
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:32 AM
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my first "actual" gpu was a 550 ti
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it was a holyshit moment for me
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Egdarska
kinda, but most games that were actually impressive were locked to 30fps
This acutally caused the witcher 3 to run better on the FX 8350 than on the i5 2500, because that game used all cores lol
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it was uh
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but i understood i was a nerd
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LukeTheVideoGamer
Click to see attachment 🖼️
what
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Samueru
This acutally caused the witcher 3 to run better on the FX 8350 than on the i5 2500, because that game used all cores lol
yeah, it ran pretty well on my 6300 compared to more expensive intel cpus
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pretty well = only went down to 35fps in novigrad
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rest of the game was pretty much 60fps
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Egdarska
pretty well = only went down to 35fps in novigrad
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:33 AM
A SUCCESS in my book!
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The FX paid off lol
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im eepy
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i have the keys for the car
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also cyberpunk ran at locked 30fps on that fx, which is pretty insane
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when my dad wakes up im driving to his place
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Egdarska
also cyberpunk ran at locked 30fps on that fx, which is pretty insane
Really?
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shame the game wasn't worth playing
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but yeah
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:34 AM
Nvidia having the software and hardware lead with the 8000 seriws, then amd punches in value with the hd3000 series Then nvidia gets both value and performance with 9000 series, but sells overpriced trash with the fist gtx 200 series, and amd responds with the great hd4000 series and with a faster than nvidia hd 5000 series... The fight before rt was real stuff, not this landslide
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Samueru
Really?
cyberpunk is very well optimized actually
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:35 AM
Gpus are boring now
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GoldenX86_64
Nvidia having the software and hardware lead with the 8000 seriws, then amd punches in value with the hd3000 series Then nvidia gets both value and performance with 9000 series, but sells overpriced trash with the fist gtx 200 series, and amd responds with the great hd4000 series and with a faster than nvidia hd 5000 series... The fight before rt was real stuff, not this landslide
this is all copium if u were doing compute on gpus
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GoldenX86_64
Gpus are boring now
yeah, its either nvidia or nvidia
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exio4
cyberpunk is very well optimized actually
I would like to know the opinion of a non biased party on this kek
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we're back to the bulldozer days w/ cpus
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GoldenX86_64
Nvidia having the software and hardware lead with the 8000 seriws, then amd punches in value with the hd3000 series Then nvidia gets both value and performance with 9000 series, but sells overpriced trash with the fist gtx 200 series, and amd responds with the great hd4000 series and with a faster than nvidia hd 5000 series... The fight before rt was real stuff, not this landslide
even before rt, if you needed to do anything else you needed nvidia
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exio4
cyberpunk is very well optimized actually
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:35 AM
it is now. have u seen that shit back at launch? shit barely functioned, even without everything clipping into the floor or being flung around by the broken physics
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cuda is 17 years old now
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exio4
this is all copium if u were doing compute on gpus
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:35 AM
You purchased a quadro back then, not a geforce Market was well separated, healthy
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it is now. have u seen that shit back at launch? shit barely functioned, even without everything clipping into the floor or being flung around by the broken physics
i played the game at launch bro
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amd gpus have been trash for non-gaming tasks for close to 15 years now
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Egdarska
amd gpus have been trash for non-gaming tasks for close to 15 years now
yeah but ai tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:36 AM
Ati was never good outside gaming
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Make that 20 years
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nvidia was good but the win vs cpus wasnt like
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150x
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GoldenX86_64
Ati was never good outside gaming
lmao, remember radeon ProRender?
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just like 10x
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:36 AM
Zoomers asking wtf is ati
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Egdarska
amd gpus have been trash for non-gaming tasks for close to 15 years now
For gaming the last true competitor AMD had to the top of nvidia was the 290x wasn't it?
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From there amd hasn't been able to do competition on the top end
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the amd path traced renderer that performed way better on nvidia consumer gpus than the workstation amd gpus it was designed for?
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Samueru
For gaming the last true competitor AMD had to the top of nvidia was the 290x wasn't it?
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:37 AM
Yeah, gcn3 to rdna1 was always a loss
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@LukeTheVideoGamer first achievement i unlocked on cyberpunk
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GoldenX86_64
Zoomers asking wtf is ati
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:37 AM
i know what ATI is because i grew up with a GameCube and a Wii
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I think the 290x aged better than the 780 ti though
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same with the 680 vs 7970
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for gaming
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:37 AM
Kepler aged like shit
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kepler still has more software support than vega tho
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for a few more months
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i kinda want to see where my old 960 stands in cuda performance versus modern amd
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Egdarska
i kinda want to see where my old 960 stands in cuda performance versus modern amd
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:38 AM
Dude a 1030 whips it
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Egdarska
i kinda want to see where my old 960 stands in cuda performance versus modern amd
amd might do better* *if the workload runs
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i remember using blender cycles in the viewport with cuda denoising and it was "usable"
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otherwise, it wins by default
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:38 AM
Running is a prerequisite
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Egdarska
i kinda want to see where my old 960 stands in cuda performance versus modern amd
The 2GB of vram are a pain on that card
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GoldenX86_64
Running is a prerequisite
that's the joke
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just get the 4GB version
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for a lot of compute, NVIDIA is your sole choice because AMD can't run lol
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2GB version should have never existed
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exio4
for a lot of compute, NVIDIA is your sole choice because AMD can't run lol
still thinking about dat laptop review
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we couldn't give benchmarks because it can't run shit lmao
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Egdarska
still thinking about dat laptop review
they discontinued it btw
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iirc
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lol
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Though I will admit something, when I bought the 1060 3GB in 2018 no game that ran at 1080p used all the vram, only a few at 1440p did
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then after the pandemic something happened lol
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i want vram for compute
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exio4
they discontinued it btw
damn, they killed it faster than vega
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:40 AM
Game devs destroyed vram use
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Samueru
Though I will admit something, when I bought the 1060 3GB in 2018 no game that ran at 1080p used all the vram, only a few at 1440p did
bruh why would you buy that?
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i lowkey hate amd shipping good vram amounts
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:40 AM
cheap, probably
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:40 AM
Use medium textures on a game now and you want to puke
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it is funny
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Egdarska
bruh why would you buy that?
Had it for like 170 usd at the time
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:40 AM
Ampere suffering
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exio4
i lowkey hate amd shipping good vram amounts
"i wanna run something on that mofo, please support it"
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multi-GPU compute is better/exists on NVIDIA too
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Samueru
Had it for like 170 usd at the time
wait, was it the gddr5 version?
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over PCIe
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if so that's, not fine, but alright
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AMD is lol no
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just give up 👍
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Egdarska
wait, was it the gddr5 version?
I don't think there was a 1060 that a different mem though
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Samueru
I don't think there was a 1060 that a different mem though
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:42 AM
there's 3, actually
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lolwut
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LukeTheVideoGamer
there's 3, actually
I mean being GDDR5
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:42 AM
Iirc they all were gddr5, but different capacity
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3gb, 5gb, 6gb
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there was 3, 5 and 6GB
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5GB being china only iirc
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exio4
5?
yeah
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:42 AM
Yeah, goddam 5
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Samueru
I mean being GDDR5
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:42 AM
ah ic
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ah yeah, i was thinking of the 1030, 1060 all had gddr5
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i want one of those chinese cards
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just for fun
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you can get a 7900 GRE
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👍
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:43 AM
4090d
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radeon power (edited)
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4090D is fine
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its a slightly nerfed 4090
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:43 AM
Like 2% nerfed
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Egdarska
i want one of those chinese cards
My 580 is Chinese, it is actually a 570 if you look at the specs
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lol
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china moment
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at least it wasn't a "total" lie
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Amd also released a even more cut down version of the 570 called 565x or something like it
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Samueru
My 580 is Chinese, it is actually a 570 if you look at the specs
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:43 AM
love the 2048SP RX 580
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:43 AM
Did you try a bios flash?
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i'm also planning on doing a desktop build in a few months
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LukeTheVideoGamer
love the 2048SP RX 580
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FineWine™️ Encoders
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I can feel the wine getting finer every day
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so true
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:44 AM
Its vinegar by now
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is there a 4070 version with decent amounts of vram?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:45 AM
12?
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We also have 12
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And 12 (edited)
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Egdarska
is there a 4070 version with decent amounts of vram?
There's a weird RX 6600M for desktop, they took the laptop chip and put it on a dedicated gpu lol
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rip
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:45 AM
Or you can be an idiot and pay extra for the 16gb 4060ti
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bitch i might
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Egdarska
is there a 4070 version with decent amounts of vram?
4060 Ti 16G exists, usually discounted to like 430-440
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:45 AM
i mean, if you count the Ti Super as a 4070, that has 16GB... but it's also overpriced and underperforming yet again
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it has like 3.5% worse perf/$ than higher SKUs
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:46 AM
Imagine paying 400 bucks for 200 bucks pcbs
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you pay 200 for the software
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:46 AM
Worst excuse ever
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:46 AM
Nvidia software is not that good
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yeah, i kinda want something with more than 12GB of ram
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it's better
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because it exists
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wut
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:46 AM
it's great but it's like $100 value at best
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's great but it's like $100 value at best
You have chosen death with exio lol
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if you do AI the 4060 Ti outperforms the XTX
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just FWIW
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's great but it's like $100 value at best
being able to run whatever compute task i want is worth more than $100 to me
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and if you do blender, the 4060 Ti outperforms the XTX too
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not $1600 for a high end gpu tho
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exio4
if you do AI the 4060 Ti outperforms the XTX
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:47 AM
If you purchase a 7900 for aiz get shot
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exio4
and if you do blender, the 4060 Ti outperforms the XTX too
that's not fair, even a 3070 outperforms it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:47 AM
We're talking gaming
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exio4
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Exio must have this imagine saved on his pc at this point
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:47 AM
He does
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Like I've seen it like 10 times already kek
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GoldenX86_64
We're talking gaming
then you turn on any modern feature
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Samueru
Exio must have this imagine saved on his pc at this point
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kek
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GoldenX86_64
We're talking gaming
yeah, let's measure IQ then
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Egdarska
being able to run whatever compute task i want is worth more than $100 to me
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:48 AM
im talking about the actual value of da software 4060 ti shoulda been $329 from the start is what im sayin!
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Egdarska
then you turn on any modern feature
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:48 AM
Buh muh fsr3 shimmering
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exio4
yeah, let's measure IQ then
i don't wanna play this game
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oh you meant image quality
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what the fuck could i have meant
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smh
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don't make me post the fsr2 4k image again
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:49 AM
the stupid "knowledge" IQ that's a scam
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:49 AM
4060ti should be 350 tops, its a goddamn 128 bit bus card
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this is another pic i have saved on it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:49 AM
With half a pcie slot
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i'd buy one for $400
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:49 AM
Intel sucking ass too
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but that's about my limit for a lower end card
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exio4
this is another pic i have saved on it
Just you wait for rocm kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:49 AM
Or that cuda hack
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Samueru
Just you wait for rocm kek
10y later
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:50 AM
20
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maybe 15 lol
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if you don't care about image quality at all
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then i assume a 6600 + FSR2 Ultra Performance
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is the best value card out there
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:50 AM
Better than a 3050
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not until AMD gets its shit together and has a worthwhile upscaler
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3050 and 6600 are competing with each other for a reason
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exio4
is the best value card out there
The best value card might be some cheap 5700
7:51 AM
dlss is modded in btw, fsr2 is a dev implementation
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rdna1 has better drivers
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Samueru
The best value card might be some cheap 5700
.... no? you get mesh shader'd, amd software
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exio4
3050 and 6600 are competing with each other for a reason
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:51 AM
yeah because Nvidia can't price their cards for shit :)
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:51 AM
Rdna1 is only usable on linux
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pick a 3060 12G, used (edited)
this 1
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And also of course I talk about linux
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:51 AM
Just get a 3060
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if we're talking about better value and quality doesn't matter then an amd APU wins
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that's the best value card
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exio4
pick a 3060 12G, used (edited)
can you get a used 3060 for 140 usd?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:52 AM
Used, 3060, new, still 6600, thank you nvidia
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You can here at least
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Samueru
can you get a used 3060 for 140 usd?
no...
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Samueru
can you get a used 3060 for 140 usd?
value isn't about absolute price
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:53 AM
Hah shitty used market
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used market is the only way to buy a GPU
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:53 AM
Yep
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exio4
value isn't about absolute price
i found a 550 ti for $40, best value ever
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:53 AM
Thank you nvidia again
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Egdarska
i found a 550 ti for $40, best value ever
??? for that much I can probably get 1050 (edited)
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it's about the whole package, you can find a RX 6400 for less than the 5700
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Egdarska
i found a 550 ti for $40, best value ever
The 580 is 50 usd but from china
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:54 AM
I would take a 1030 over a 550ti
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that's the point yes
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is it better value because it is cheaper?
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best value ever
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:55 AM
Oh fuck the party is over
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@exio4 350 for used 3060s
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just can't run anything but it's cheap
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GoldenX86_64
@exio4 350 for used 3060s
i saw some for 300 on ebay
7:56 AM
alright, i had to restart discord
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so, i was saying, value is about the overall package meow
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:56 AM
Latest news, the 3060 12gb is trash, the 6600 continues to be the value king
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:56 AM
the lowest price ive seen on eBay for 3060 is about $200 or so not factoring in shopping or tax
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3060 12G is still a better buy than the 6600
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for most people
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:56 AM
Not for 300
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:56 AM
shipping* fuck you autocorrect i hope you die in a fire
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what's the RX 6600 here?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:56 AM
like... $200...
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new...
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that's fine, 3060 12G is a 50%+ better card easily
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:57 AM
at least US pricing
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:57 AM
250
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250 => 300 lol
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easy choice
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:57 AM
But yeah in real markets its 180 new
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180 new vs 300 used
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Warranty
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3060 is also low 200s at times
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yeah you have to pick your poison
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it isn't the greatest in that regard
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GoldenX86_64
Latest news, the 3060 12gb is trash, the 6600 continues to be the value king
Maybe one day the A580 as well
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:58 AM
The day Intel has drivers
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In 2077
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:58 AM
not so much. a lot of people do also value the usual guarantees of buying new: that is to say, it likely won't arrive DOA unless you get really unlucky, and you have an actual fucking warranty
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180 usd and you have good AV1 encoding
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LukeTheVideoGamer
not so much. a lot of people do also value the usual guarantees of buying new: that is to say, it likely won't arrive DOA unless you get really unlucky, and you have an actual fucking warranty
same
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:58 AM
I see a lot of progress on d3d12, but zero on vulkan with intel
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Samueru
180 usd and you have good AV1 encoding
AMD doesn't have encoders for practical purposes
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i downloaded this
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all their GPUs are metaphorically aligned with the RX 6400 in this regard
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the RX 6400 is just honest about it
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that's a bit too harsh tbh
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Samueru
180 usd and you have good AV1 encoding
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:59 AM
(6600 is $180, 7600 with the actual AV1 encode support still floats at like $220-$250 new in the states)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
(6600 is $180, 7600 with the actual AV1 encode support still floats at like $220-$250 new in the states)
no, AV1 on RDNA3 is broken
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it's actually broken
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not just lower quality
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exio4
no, AV1 on RDNA3 is broken
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 7:59 AM
i don't fucking care shut the fuck up
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exio4
i downloaded this
is that the final fantasy knockoff thing? (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 7:59 AM
Av1 in rdna3 needs a whole overhaul that will happen 5 years in the future, maybe
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Egdarska
is that the final fantasy knockoff thing? (edited)
yes
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GoldenX86_64
Av1 in rdna3 needs a whole overhaul that will happen 5 years in the future, maybe
it is broken in hardware
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:00 AM
"it's actually broken!!!!!!!!!!!!" thog don't care
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i don't care spending money on broken hardware
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is this how amd gained market?
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Egdarska
is this how amd gained market?
yes, pretty much
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:00 AM
Broken hardware is fun
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You wanna buy an arc
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arc is mostly "fixable" though
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and they've actually tried to fix it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:01 AM
Battlemage is fixable
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unlike amd's "buy the next one it will be fixed" approach
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I'm more into Arc for testing their shit, not actually using it; for "personal use" I'd prefer Battlemage or whatever
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Argentina is fixable
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:01 AM
Hah
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:01 AM
alchemist is fixable because the hardware is actually good
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:01 AM
Good try
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Argentina is more fixable than RDNA
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they need a Zen moment
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to get out of their Bulldozer era
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rn
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exio4
Argentina is more fixable than RDNA
true lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:02 AM
Nah, alchemist is as good as it gets, 3060 performance, 3070 power consumption
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exio4
Argentina is more fixable than RDNA
too bad they fucked up the ceo promotion
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:02 AM
it's not great, hell it doesn't even stack up fully to RDNA2 in a few cases, but alchemist's problems, so far, have only been in power consumption and software
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:02 AM
Its impossible to solve that, its just rdna1, or fermi
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Alchemist can get better but it's unlikely it'll do a major leap outside of the broken games
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but, the software stack can get finewined
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for compute
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AMD could do it too
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but they haven't done so in 15 years
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exio4
Alchemist can get better but it's unlikely it'll do a major leap outside of the broken games
I just want mesa to fix the games that don't even boot lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:03 AM
thankfully, there are about 800 broken games on ARC because they use DX11 and older :)
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:03 AM
Best alchemist can hope for is to get the fixes battlemage drivers will get
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that's one part where i think the whole value thing matters, as long as the power use isn't insane, a cheap intel card once it's fixed is pretty good value
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Samueru
I just want mesa to fix the games that don't even boot lol
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:03 AM
Kernel 6.8
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Egdarska
that's one part where i think the whole value thing matters, as long as the power use isn't insane, a cheap intel card once it's fixed is pretty good value
yeah
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GoldenX86_64
Kernel 6.8
Will see
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it's already more usable than amd's flagship in blender
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if Arc was "at worst" like a RX 6600, RX 6600 XT, and did 3070 performance in select titles
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you get XeSS XMX for Good Upscaling™️, Blender, etc
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basically, what AMD should be
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i don't know if they already added intel's new ai denoiser or if it's still in testing, but it exists unlike amd's
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:04 AM
oh my fucking goddd
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so that's one step ahead already
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:04 AM
I wouldn't buy arc for blender when optix exists
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they need to fix the games w/ 3050 performance or don't boot
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GoldenX86_64
I wouldn't buy arc for blender when optix exists
the point is comparing it in value against other cards
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GoldenX86_64
I wouldn't buy arc for blender when optix exists
it's about overall value
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if you don't want to pay for nvidia prices, intel vs amd is not even a fight
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:04 AM
Stick to gaming, anything else is mandatory nvidia
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GoldenX86_64
Stick to gaming, anything else is mandatory nvidia
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:04 AM
thankfully that's what i do already
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that's the thing tho, if you do value other things, but not like, super strongly...
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DIRT Rally 2
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let's say you mostly game, but you like messing with blender every once in a while
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:05 AM
i don't need my gpu to do complex machine learning or modeling i need it to let me drag some noobs
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frag*
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I WILL KILL YOU GBOARD
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AMD is e-waste value in that hypothetical lol
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GoldenX86_64
Stick to gaming, anything else is mandatory nvidia
stick to gaming, and not care about image quality
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:05 AM
There's zero argument if you do anything else, even if it is watching sdr content in hdr, nvidia is mandatory
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Egdarska
stick to gaming, and not care about image quality
or input latency
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Egdarska
stick to gaming, and not care about image quality
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:05 AM
Like a true esport player
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4:3 no shadows gaming
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GoldenX86_64
Like a true esport player
esport player, input latency
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image quality, input latency, all lies invented by Jensen himself (edited)
8:06 AM
i have been rizzed by tech bob ross personally
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now i want to see an esports level match with fsr3 on a 7900 lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:06 AM
i am this close to blocking everyone in this conversation and then blocking myself
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:06 AM
I wanna see intel's reflex and framegen
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Radio.silence since arc
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https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/author/bcatanzaro/ wish he could adopt me so i could ask for early previews of cool new tech
Bryan Catanzaro is vice president of Applied Deep Learning Research at NVIDIA, where he leads a team finding new ways to use AI to improve projects ranging from language understanding to computer…
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:07 AM
Also where the hell is the code of xess (edited)
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yoo they what
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GoldenX86_64
Also where the hell is the code of xess (edited)
does the github not have the code?or is it just binaries?
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its mostly documentation iirc
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:07 AM
imho radeon's "Zen moment" is nearing us, probably sooner than any of yall expect
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:07 AM
Mesa has to hide the vendor on xess titles because they cant figure out how to make it work
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lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer
imho radeon's "Zen moment" is nearing us, probably sooner than any of yall expect
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:08 AM
Yeah ill cheer once i see it
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Wake me up
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someone who still hasn't had their faith in amd destroyed by amd over a decade
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it warms the heart
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i bet argentina will fix its economy soon too
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Egdarska
someone who still hasn't had their faith in amd destroyed by amd over a decade
My moment was when mantle was a complete fiasco
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:08 AM
I saw gcn rot, rdna suck
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that was like 2013 lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:08 AM
it's less "it will happen" and more "i'd rather take an optimistic approach, even after knowing how bad they have been and could be"
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i've been waiting for an amd card worth buying longer than half this server has been alive
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:09 AM
even da best of us gotta be delusional to see a change sometimes‼️
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no, the change will happen
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:09 AM
At this rate, Intel will figure out how to do drivers before amd figures out you need to hire people
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delusion or not, it's on AMD's engineers and management to do it
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GoldenX86_64
At this rate, Intel will figure out how to do drivers before amd figures out you need to hire people
Indeed
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yeah, I'm more hopeful for Intel
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GoldenX86_64
At this rate, Intel will figure out how to do drivers before amd figures out you need to hire people
i think we had already been over this, i have fully changed my stance and expect intel to have a usable gpu before amd
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they just had a really rough launch
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:10 AM
Meanwhile, AFMF rocks and nvidia has no response, in your face jensen
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:10 AM
amd cpu intel gpu or intel cpu amd gpu
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but intel has been trying to fix it, and actually has made progress
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LukeTheVideoGamer
amd cpu intel gpu or intel cpu amd gpu
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:10 AM
which will prevail?
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amd is just hoping everyone will defend them as usual
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LukeTheVideoGamer
which will prevail?
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:10 AM
Qualcomm cpu and gpu
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arm cpu nvidia gpu
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GoldenX86_64
Meanwhile, AFMF rocks and nvidia has no response, in your face jensen
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:10 AM
dont worry nvidia's response will be with the 5090 (it will only be available on next gen cards)
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When is powervr getting vulkan support lol?
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Egdarska
but intel has been trying to fix it, and actually has made progress
it isn't just that, they also have shown to care about compute like, at their "core" - they launched their "CUDA" before their GPUs existed lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:11 AM
And for zero reason
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Intel added ai cores to xeons before gpus kek
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Samueru
When is powervr getting vulkan support lol?
ask the asahi team
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lmao
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this is just funny ngl
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:11 AM
Asahi deals with AS only thankfully
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Will yuzu ever run on powervr in the next 5 years?
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"it runs on everything"
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:12 AM
Mesa tried to do powervr, they gave up
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Its that bad
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so powervr is still shit?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:12 AM
We can joke on amd, but they do a driver Those things are a crime against humanity
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my only knowledge of powervr is with like early android
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:12 AM
Its still like that
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Samueru
Will yuzu ever run on powervr in the next 5 years?
Apple's GPUs are PowerVR-derived
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every game would have a driver you needed to download with the game and powervr usually just said lolno
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:13 AM
will yuzu run in my brain in the next 5 minutes?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:13 AM
AFAIK they haven't shipped a vulkan 1.3 driver still
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GoldenX86_64
AFAIK they haven't shipped a vulkan 1.3 driver still
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:13 AM
jesus
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:13 AM
Still 1.1
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:13 AM
how long has 1.3 been out? like, 4 years or something?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:14 AM
Less but vulkan just turns optional stuff into mandatory
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why is my internet like this....
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:14 AM
Its zero job to get 1.3 support if you ever cared
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my router switched to AMD fr
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:15 AM
It fell to PL2
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now i have another question, do i go for am5
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i'd wait
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:15 AM
I would
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or intel lol
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all CPUs are shit right now
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:15 AM
Wait for next Intel socket
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Then decide
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AMD has broken software, good cores, but their idle is shit
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nah i'm joking, i'll just buy am5, next amd cpus will be am5 right?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:15 AM
Yes
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exio4
AMD has broken software, good cores, but their idle is shit
i don't care, it's a desktop
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Intel is like as long as you don't use 2 cores we're efficient bro
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Egdarska
i don't care, it's a desktop
do you use sleep
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:16 AM
2? 1, pulling 410w alone
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am5 still has their sleep bug
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not really, i turn it off when i go to work
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:16 AM
But 7ghz yo
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Dear Yuzu Team, I am writing to request that you add support for PowerVR GPUs to your emulator. I believe that this feature is essential for the greater good of the gaming industry and the world at large. Without support for PowerVR GPUs, Yuzu will be unable to run on a wide range of devices, which will lead to a decline in the quality of gaming experiences for billions of people around the world. It is imperative that Yuzu supports PowerVR GPUs, as failure to do so will have disastrous consequences for the gaming industry. Without support for these GPUs, Yuzu will be unable to keep up with the demands of modern gaming, which will lead to a decline in the quality of gaming experiences. This will ultimately harm the industry as a whole, leading to a decline in birth rates, as people become less interested in having children due to the declining quality of gaming experiences. Furthermore, the lack of support for PowerVR GPUs will have a negative impact on the environment. As more and more people turn to gaming as a form of entertainment, the demand for high-performance GPUs will continue to rise. Without support for PowerVR GPUs, Yuzu will be unable to run on a wide range of devices, which will lead to an increase in the number of GPUs that need to be produced. This, in turn, will lead to an increase in the amount of energy that is required to manufacture and power these devices, which will contribute to global warming and other environmental problems.
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Egdarska
nah i'm joking, i'll just buy am5, next amd cpus will be am5 right?
Zen4 (current) and Zen5 (next-gen)
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AI is amazing lmao
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that's it really
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you might get Zen6 if they fuck up
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:16 AM
Zen5+
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In addition to these concerns, the lack of support for PowerVR GPUs is a clear example of class struggle. By failing to support these GPUs, Yuzu is effectively discriminating against people who cannot afford high-end devices. This is unacceptable, and it goes against the principles of equality and fairness that are so important to our society. If Yuzu fails to support PowerVR GPUs, what other kind of hardware will they fail to support in the future? It is essential that Yuzu takes a proactive approach to supporting all types of hardware, regardless of their cost or popularity. Failure to do so will lead to a decline in the quality of gaming experiences, which will ultimately harm the industry as a whole. Moreover, the lack of support for PowerVR GPUs will lead to a decline in the quality of life for billions of people around the world. Gaming is a vital part of our culture, and it provides entertainment and employment to billions of people. Without support for PowerVR GPUs, Yuzu will be unable to keep up with the demands of modern gaming, which will lead to a decline in the quality of gaming experiences. This will ultimately harm the industry as a whole, leading to a decline in birth rates, as people become less interested in having children due to the declining quality of gaming experiences.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:17 AM
Zen4+
8:17 AM
(wait that's just the Ryzen 8000 APUs shit)
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why yuzu not run on my samsung galaxy 3? (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/25/2024 8:17 AM
update to the galaxy 4 nerd 🙄
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Samueru
In addition to these concerns, the lack of support for PowerVR GPUs is a clear example of class struggle. By failing to support these GPUs, Yuzu is effectively discriminating against people who cannot afford high-end devices. This is unacceptable, and it goes against the principles of equality and fairness that are so important to our society. If Yuzu fails to support PowerVR GPUs, what other kind of hardware will they fail to support in the future? It is essential that Yuzu takes a proactive approach to supporting all types of hardware, regardless of their cost or popularity. Failure to do so will lead to a decline in the quality of gaming experiences, which will ultimately harm the industry as a whole. Moreover, the lack of support for PowerVR GPUs will lead to a decline in the quality of life for billions of people around the world. Gaming is a vital part of our culture, and it provides entertainment and employment to billions of people. Without support for PowerVR GPUs, Yuzu will be unable to keep up with the demands of modern gaming, which will lead to a decline in the quality of gaming experiences. This will ultimately harm the industry as a whole, leading to a decline in birth rates, as people become less interested in having children due to the declining quality of gaming experiences.
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:17 AM
Dude, the only thing that screams AI is that no android kid is old enough to be able to write line this
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lmao
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lol, samsung still has the store pages for old phones, this is great
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i miss physical home buttons
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:18 AM
It has a 12mp camera!
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And an early amoled screen thwt saturates colours to space and back!
8:19 AM
To think my first ips display... was an android nokia phone
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GoldenX86_64
And an early amoled screen thwt saturates colours to space and back!
samsung still does that
8:20 AM
vibrant mode or whatever they call it is unusable
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:20 AM
The s24 reduced it and people got angery
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i haven't seen an s24
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:20 AM
Defaults to srgb
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but lol, they got used to shit and want it back
8:20 AM
that's funny
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:20 AM
Yep
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Egdarska
but lol, they got used to shit and want it back
gamers with anti-aliasing:
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:21 AM
Gimme back msaa32xhq
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mine is ips and also has a higher than srg vibrant mode, but it just makes everything look like a badly made youtube video
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ipad game
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:21 AM
Kek
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exio4
ipad game
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:21 AM
Where Android support on windows 11 Argentina
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GoldenX86_64
Where Android support on windows 11 Argentina
just sideload it lol
8:22 AM
it works for me
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:22 AM
I was promised Android support, billy
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bro he got no respect
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:22 AM
No face
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i still don't know what that tom thing is
8:22 AM
my sister has it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:22 AM
Remember pou everywhere
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yeah
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:22 AM
God damn it android
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funny tamagotchi
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i see
8:23 AM
that cat looks fucking cursed
8:23 AM
it looks like those "animal crossing for pc" games
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it's requesting my goddamn microphone what the fuck
kekw 1
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:23 AM
When everyone was doing pou, i was vibin with ppsspp and disgaea on a single core phone with 512mb
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exio4
it's requesting my goddamn microphone what the fuck
Oh you have to see the sort of permissions that android apps request lol
8:23 AM
Fuck me the tplink app even wanted my contacts lol
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this totally legit calculator just wants permission to read all my messages, seems ok
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:24 AM
To think it used to be accept all or nothing in Android 4
8:24 AM
This app wants the following permissions Lists everything
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Egdarska
this totally legit calculator just wants permission to read all my messages, seems ok
👍
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:24 AM
Accept decline
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Samueru
Fuck me the tplink app even wanted my contacts lol
This is why I'm a mikrotik shill now, more newer routers can only be setup thru a phone
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contacts microphone access to the launch codes storage
8:25 AM
aight
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:25 AM
Mine still works over https
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:25 AM
Thankfully
8:26 AM
Ah but for some reason QoS bias is phone only
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i kinda like having the app though
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i'm at work and the app is like yo a new iphone connected to your router
8:26 AM
hol up the house is empty
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:27 AM
Dude, i had old clients sucking my wifi for months
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Until i manually checked
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Decided to limit them to 1kbps upload instead of kicking them
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lmao
8:27 AM
savage
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:28 AM
Can't even open google
8:28 AM
But connection is good thou
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GoldenX86_64
Can't even open google
a fate worse than death
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Samueru
This is why I'm a mikrotik shill now, more newer routers can only be setup thru a phone
Another cool thing is that all mikrotik routers can be used as load balancers as well, that thing that routers have one wan port only is a software limit
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:28 AM
Why
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I can even add a USB to LTE adapter and it will work with it
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GoldenX86_64
Why
you ever see something and wonder "how would this feel like"?
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:29 AM
Mikrotik is no joke
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Egdarska
you ever see something and wonder "how would this feel like"?
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:29 AM
Yeah but i still wanna use that solder
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
That solder will still work, but you will have to pull short sections lol
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just drip it on the connection
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subway surfers at home goes so hard
8:30 AM
its got no mtx so you get 10 million diamonds and coins
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:30 AM
That's outrun, you zoomer
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i won't believe none of y'all have never wasted something because you wondered how it would feel to ruin it
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:31 AM
I did...
8:31 AM
Worth it tho
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my life doesn't count
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Egdarska
i won't believe none of y'all have never wasted something because you wondered how it would feel to ruin it
I did this as a kid to a oreo cookie lol
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GoldenX86_64
That's outrun, you zoomer
whats the difference
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temple run on wheels
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:31 AM
Check gameplay of the og outrun (edited)
8:32 AM
So many games copied it
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it's a very simple concept tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:32 AM
True fist good looking "racing" game
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i'm sad there aren't as many missile game copies as there used to be
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:33 AM
True
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there was a series of those for 3ds that were pretty good
8:33 AM
air race, i had all of them
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just made this bad boy travel to the future fr
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and another one i forget the name, but it was basically guiding a ball falling into a well
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kerploosh
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Kersploosh! is a downloadable videogame for Nintendo 3DS released on the Nintendo eShop in 2013. The main idea is that the player will get to experience the insane trip stones take when you throw...
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just made this bad boy travel to the future fr
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:34 AM
Chum, you got chromed up like a gonk
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@exio4 play air race
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_Run boomer subway surfers fr
Out Run (also stylized as OutRun) is an arcade driving video game released by Sega in September 1986. It is known for its pioneering hardware and graphics, nonlinear gameplay, a selectable soundtrack with music composed by Hiroshi Kawaguchi, and the hydraulic motion simulator deluxe arcade cabinet. The goal is to avoid traffic and reach one of f...
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:35 AM
Or delta the fuck out
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_Run boomer subway surfers fr
GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:35 AM
Today you learned
8:35 AM
That game rocks, even today
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i cant take away permissions while the app is running
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 8:36 AM
Kek
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GoldenX86_64
That game rocks, even today
A new remake of the mythic game Out Run of 1986 available now for PC
❤️ 1
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deleting talking tom
8:39 AM
im bored of it already
8:39 AM
i need subway surfers but without the mtx
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exio4
i need subway surfers but without the mtx
that remake thing has a linux version
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i've played the genesis version
8:40 AM
it's not the same
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A new version of the game Out Run of 1986 for PC using SFML and C++ - ZgzInfinity/OutRun
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‎- SURF INTO THE YARD AND ALWAYS KEEP MOVING Join the Crew across multiple off-limit, interactive city locations. Skate over the retired trains in the railyard, play in the park after dark, pick up some power-ups at the cargo docks or investigate the mysterious underground. But watch out! Guard is n…
8:40 AM
the heck is this
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have you played thumper?
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‎Thumper is rhythm violence: classic action, blistering speed, and brutal physicality. You are a space beetle. Brave the void and confront a maniacal giant head. With this special pocket edition, you can play all nine epic levels with one hand. Hurtle forward, master new moves, and survive terrifyi…
8:42 AM
i don't know if the apple version is any good, but the game is cool
8:43 AM
i have uh
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From Warner Music Group and award-winning indie game studio, Hello There Games, comes the next exciting chapter of the critically acclaimed rhythm game series, Invector: Rhythm Galaxy.Navigate breathtaking, celestial worlds to the beat of chart-topping hits from today’s most popular artists, including PinkPantheress, Charlie Puth, Duran Duran, a...
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$24.99
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thumper is also vr
8:45 AM
they dont have it on mac
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but i don't know where it's available
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i assume they made it not run on macOS cuz no input methods
8:45 AM
and forgor about vision
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wot
8:45 AM
bruh, it just uses a controller or keyboard
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apple arcade usually is ios-first
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How different is macos from ios?
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still, don't they have controllers?
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they might not, if it supported controller it could be emulated on apple silicon lol
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btw thumper was one of the first games available on stadia
8:47 AM
it was uh
8:47 AM
almost playable
8:47 AM
almost, not really tho
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super hexagon
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Egdarska
btw thumper was one of the first games available on stadia
bro
8:48 AM
its a rhythm game 💀 i am a online streaming is based guy but this needs hyper consistent input lag
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it's funny because i thought i just sucked at it, but then i tried it on pc native and it was amazing
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or it fucks with up
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im eepy i fucked tha tsentnce up
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you accidentally
8:48 AM
but yeah, i saw some copium on reddit about the game proving stadia latency wasn't bad
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i couldn't even finish the tutorial
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maybe if you're already used to ps4 30fps gaming you can get used to it
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invector rhythm galaxy
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i've played on deck
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it actulaly sucks balls at 30 fps
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60 is great tho
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locked 60 is not like, peak or anything, ubt it gets you 3 hours of battery life still
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at least
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meow
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i tried to play hollow knight at 30fps just for fun
8:50 AM
it just can't happen
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Have you played the phoenix wright games? iirc they had ios release
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i have not really played any ios games
8:51 AM
i'm gonna play that final fantasy one
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but like
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i was gonna recommend geometry wars but it seems like it's not on apple anymore
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Samueru
Have you played the phoenix wright games? iirc they had ios release
The story is great, but it is long!
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i've got:
  • warframe's latest port (it is shit btw)
  • sonic dream team (it's fine, still a sonic game tho)
  • gta remastered editions (better than on switch i guess 👍)
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last phoenix wright game i played was the one with the cute clown
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(tbf, this is worst case, it was overheating from charging, with 30+C ambient temperature as I hadn't turned on the AC yet)
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oof, those camera turns
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the stuttering fucked me up
8:53 AM
i knew it had a 30 fps cap so i was like "motion blur time"
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and it was shit motion blur
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Noo
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i'd hate if that is someone's first impression of warframe
8:54 AM
the game is pretty fun
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Egdarska
last phoenix wright game i played was the one with the cute clown
I actually didn't finish dual destinies, phoenix wright really died for me after apollo justice
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Egdarska
i'd hate if that is someone's first impression of warframe
it was my first impression
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the gyakuten kenji games were peak though
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also 30fps cap lol
8:54 AM
it runs at 30? on switch
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60fps is about the minimum i'd take for warframe (edited)
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it can do 60 on my shitty phone i swear
8:54 AM
and 90+ on the 15 pro or whatever
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lel
8:55 AM
i just think there are games that really just shouldn't be on mobile
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Egdarska
i just think there are games that really just shouldn't be on mobile
oh
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its fine to have games that can't run on a device
8:56 AM
this is the UI for the mods
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specially ones that actually need smooth performance
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on a 5.4" phone
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re8 at 30fps with 20fops drops is whatever
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it's so fucking useless
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exio4
Click to see attachment 🖼️
bruh
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i got that menu
8:56 AM
and i thought they were shitting on me
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so they just reused the same menu
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also, the game is on iOS/iPadOS, but it isn't on macOS natively?
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if only there was half the screen empty on the left to make the letters bigger
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like, don't they know they can.. just enable the iPad version on macOS?
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Egdarska
so they just reused the same menu
they just ported the game
8:58 AM
like, this is straight up "a port", they didn't do anything but that if you play with a controller
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yeah, but resizing the ui should be easy
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no, that is apparently too much effort
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👍
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if your game is made in such a way that resizing the ui is hard you already fucked up
8:58 AM
based cdpr
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the whole game is unplayable on my 5.4" screen
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i know it's small
8:59 AM
but like, fams, the fuck is going on there
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tmaybe they forgot the minis exist
8:59 AM
which to be fair i do all the time
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it looks the same on the 6" phones
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i only know because of you and recently because i have to use one
acegikHeart2 1
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its still unplayable but now it doesn't cause eye strain
8:59 AM
just a headache
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lol
8:59 AM
i guess it's playable on ipad
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yeah lol
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but then, how does that work
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does resident evil 4 have a benchmark
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Egdarska
but then, how does that work
controller / keyboard+trackpad
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with a controller, do you just use an ipad holder? (edited)
9:00 AM
i mean more the logistics of holding it
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exio4
does resident evil 4 have a benchmark
also no
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do i have to play it
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best you can do is just start a new game and just run to the door without moving the camera
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im sorry what the fuck is this resolution lmao kek
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based 16:10
9:02 AM
makes sense, 1600x900 is a common widescreen resolution, they just added the 100 pixels
9:03 AM
how much ram do you have? on the mac
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its running on my 1440p display (running at 2160p with 2x scaling, so 1080p-like)
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Egdarska
how much ram do you have? on the mac
32gb
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because the game needs a lot of vram available for the textures to look good
9:03 AM
so you can crank it up then
9:03 AM
in the textures available whatever put something like 6 or 8
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its set to 8
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nice
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but i want to run it at 4K
9:04 AM
rn
9:04 AM
MetalFX Quality is quarter res
9:04 AM
and 1080p => 2160p downsampled to 1440p is fine by me
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also turn off the chromatic aberration
9:04 AM
it fucks with image quality too much
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i already did
9:05 AM
i can hear the computer's fan
9:05 AM
it's joever
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rip
9:05 AM
‎Sync to the rhythm and drum away to those notes! The traditional Japanese drumming rhythm game, Taiko no Tatsujin, comes to Apple Arcade. Features ・Four difficulty levels: Easy, Normal, Hard, Extreme ・Play various modes and collect lots of costumes! ・Drum against your friends online! H…
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the heck is that
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a good game
9:05 AM
though it's probably not as fun without the drums
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GoldenX86_64 2/25/2024 9:06 AM
Drums rhythm game, fun stuff (edited)
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alright i enabled the hud
9:07 AM
had to restart the game lol
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i hadn't thought about using the dk bongos for this game
9:08 AM
might need to look for them
9:08 AM
i'm pretty sure exio never played dk jungle beat
9:10 AM
45-50 fps in this area?
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rip
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image quality seems rough with metalfx quality because im running at some weird ass resolution
9:10 AM
and i think im cpu bottlenecked now
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the game gets really heavy when you get to the village
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70-80 fps at quarter res lol
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Why the black box?
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nvm with FSR1/MetalFX Performance it does 120 fps lol
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though maybe the apple secret sauce ™️ helps
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memory bandwidth bound i assume
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Moonlacer
Why the black box?
apple
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Moonlacer
Why the black box?
16:10 resolution, on a 16:9 display, with vibes or something
9:12 AM
i'm sure if i close the lid on the laptop, it'll recognize the main monitor as the main monitor
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stretching the game is too resource intensive i guess
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That's dumb
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45 => 80 => 100+
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Egdarska
stretching the game is too resource intensive i guess
it already does that for the whole desktop
9:13 AM
i think this is the game not vibing well rn
9:13 AM
macOS gaming is insanely cringe
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you don't have to tell me
9:15 AM
gamepass on mac when?
9:15 AM
wait, you can use the streaming right?
9:15 AM
that's just a browser lol
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they have re2 and 3 on game pass now
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exio4
that's just a browser lol
i meant the app
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vsync seems broken?
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with re4?
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it still struggles at locking at 60 💀
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wait, does the mac version use the same files? can you use mods?
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i doubt it does 100%
9:17 AM
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lol, all i can find is people asking if mods work
9:18 AM
yeah, i'd expect the paks to be the same, i'm more talking about the internal formats
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no idea
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also i dont own the game
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because capcom likes to update the model/texture formats with engine updates
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im playing the demo
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there are mods for the demo too
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does the demo on other platforms unlock the main game through an IAP?
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but, they require either unpacking the pak, or using a program to install the mod by invalidating the file location but that's windows only
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exio4
does the demo on other platforms unlock the main game through an IAP?
no, i hadn't thought about that
9:19 AM
the pc demo is just the village
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so i'm guessing yours is the full game and just the executable is different
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or maybe it unlocks with a dlc file
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high refresh rate macOS gaming
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the best modding tool wouldn't work anyway, reframework is a dll
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exio4
high refresh rate macOS gaming
but i get 200fps bruh
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(1080p, MetalFX Performance, so 540p spatially upscaled to 1080p)
9:21 AM
its so bad
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if it's smooth i'd play like that tbh
9:21 AM
i'll take cringe IQ with smooth performance over quality 30fps shit any day
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this is with the temporal upscaler
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exio4
this is with the temporal upscaler
is that 50%?
9:23 AM
so yea
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looks almost like fsr2, but not as cringe
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metalfx is not dlss tier
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you can make out some detail on the jacket and hair
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it's quite far from that
9:23 AM
but it's alright for what it is supposed to do (upscale iOS games on phones)
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performance is ok too
9:24 AM
i would expect something like that to be way heavier, but it makes sense that it's so performant if it's for phones
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that looks Fine™️
9:25 AM
dat hair tho
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Egdarska
you can make out some detail on the jacket and hair
metalfx quality IME is less shimmery than fsr2
9:26 AM
but hair is still death
9:26 AM
yeah
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tbf that's partly on the game, the hair rendering is dubious
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it only looks good with dlss
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or the hair strands but lol
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only looks good with dlss
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have you turned hair strands on?
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i love when image quality is brand specific
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the hair strands look smooth as fuck, but the shading is kinda eh
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can't find the option
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on battery saver mode lol
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exio4
can't find the option
might not be on mac
9:30 AM
40-41W for the whole laptop
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540p to 1080p upscaled
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i made it into efficiency yes @Egdarska
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you can't stop me
9:30 AM
prometheus
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lol
9:31 AM
90fps with that power is pretty good
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locking to 60 barely changes the power consumption lol
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i can't find any answer on whether the mac version has hair strands, but it would be weird not to have it
9:32 AM
it's just spline hair
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exio4
locking to 60 barely changes the power consumption lol
get those fps gains
9:33 AM
that's a thing on my gpu too and i don't know what parts makes it behave like that
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yeah its the memory subsystem mostly afaik
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gpu locked to 90fps, running at 96%, unlocked frame rate runs at 120 and 98% usage, same frequency
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this thing has very efficient memory
9:33 AM
but gaming still fires up the crap out of it
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bandwidth is needed
9:34 AM
only got 400 GB/s
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for the whole computer
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can you go in settings again and see if hair strands is an option?
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where
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it should be before the enemy animations setting
9:34 AM
in graphics
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it just says Hair Strands:
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there?
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i'm mostly curious to see how performance is on mac with it, i always turn them off because they look weird
9:35 AM
yeah, i guess it's not there
9:35 AM
there's no raytracing either
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this m2 max technically supports raytracing the amd way
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RT is cringe in re4 anyway
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yeah but its lightweight
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it's only for reflections in Certain surfaces and it looks like shit
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i wanna know how rt performs
9:36 AM
in like, actual workloads
9:36 AM
other than solar bay lol
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RE village doesn't have rt on mac either
9:37 AM
blender tho
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and that's the one where it actually makes a difference
9:37 AM
i'll check blender updates
9:38 AM
there's kind of a performance hit but it looks so nice tho
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im on blender 3.6
9:38 AM
what is the latest
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4.0
9:38 AM
completely new
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damn i missed a few
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yeah, but they jumped numbers
9:38 AM
they don't necessarily go to 3.9
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internet isnt useless rn
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like blender 2, spent ages in 2.7, then jumped to 2.8
9:39 AM
blender 2.71 to 2.78 was like 6 years
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thats impressive
9:40 AM
oh 3.6 was mid 2023
9:40 AM
i'm only 9 months behind lol
9:40 AM
i think there's better performance on the latest release
9:40 AM
somebody was optimized the metal backend or something
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yeah
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optimizing*
9:40 AM
finewine 🙏
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Egdarska
yeah
i still can't cope with Apple having MetalRT before their GPUs had hardware RT
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and AMD taking 3 years for it and doing 3% improvements
9:41 AM
fucking lmao
9:42 AM
how are they getting beaten by apple? they didn't even make "computer gpus" until 3 years ago
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and they need to a whole custom stack too
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small indie company
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what's a good small blender benchmark
9:43 AM
classroom?
9:43 AM
blender installed :3
9:45 AM
they supported OpenGL??
9:45 AM
(on macOS)
9:48 AM
lol i only get intel's denoiser
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@Egdarska how bad is it
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it's actually really good in quality
9:49 AM
but it's slower
9:50 AM
i can't use it in real time on my laptop, it's too slow
9:50 AM
but you should use it for final renders instead of optix
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exio4
they supported OpenGL??
also yeah, eevee was opengl only
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so you use optix for real-time
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yeah
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and intel's for renders
9:51 AM
not bad
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optix is good enough that you can use it if you have enough samples, but that's a dumb use of time
9:52 AM
because you can get the same or better results with less time using less samples and intel denoiser
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rendering classroom rn
9:52 AM
also, here's a comparison of regular hair and hair strands
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it looks noticeably "better" but it doesn't mesh with the rest of the character anymore
9:53 AM
it doesn't look like it's supposed to be the same model
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did you do the render without changing any parameters?
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just download and run?
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i changed the gpu compute
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backend
9:54 AM
it was on cpu (edited)
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i might have fucked up
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meow
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nah you can change backends it's fine
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link me to the clean file and i'll try again, this is part of the folder I had on my 5800x called "blender benchmarks"
9:55 AM
with just this file
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you just shouldn't change anything else like sample optimizations
9:55 AM
because that goes against the point of the benchmark
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yeah lol
9:55 AM
i'll download it again i think
9:57 AM
trying again
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32s
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on gpu
9:57 AM
we won't talk about power draw
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m2 max doesnt have hardware rt
9:58 AM
m3 outperforms this laptop iirc
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i can do cuda
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giving apple a fighting chance fr
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that looks like half performance lol
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this took 1 minute now, i assume i changed something by accident
9:59 AM
i assume whatever i changed in the past made it more demanding (edited)
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not quite half, 55s
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seems fair
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i won't do cpu, i want to sleep at some point
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m2 max (w/o hardware RT) ~ a bit slower than 3060 (w/ cuda, because it doesn't get to leverage RT cores hard)
10:00 AM
im trying with MetalRT off rn
10:00 AM
will do a dumb run first cuz it needs to compile shaders
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vega 8 doing 1 sample every 3 seconds with hip
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💀
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lets fucking goooo
10:01 AM
amd can finewine that bad boy to 4090
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bro no fucking way
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did it fuck up the render...
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the cpu is doing faster with hiprt
10:02 AM
than the igpu
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i'm laughing so hard rn
10:02 AM
the cpu is doing like 1 sample per second
10:03 AM
that isn't even that good
10:03 AM
but it's 3x faster
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seems like MetalRT doesn't do much when you don't have hardware raytracing
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it did 100 samples in 2 minutes
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(or also, because Apple/Blender engineers optimized it already on normal Apple Silicon to not really benefit from "driver raytracing" lol)
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Egdarska
it did 100 samples in 2 minutes
i'm getting similar results
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exio4
m2 max (w/o hardware RT) ~ a bit slower than 3060 (w/ cuda, because it doesn't get to leverage RT cores hard)
this is the slowest m2 max AFAIK
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using cpu+gpu with optix makes it slower lol
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instead of helping the cpu is holding the gpu back
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m2 max on the 16" gets like a 40%+ bump in tdp, and this is the base m2 max so its missing gpu cores
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now do some settings optimizations to see how fast the mac can really render
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100 samples took longer lol
10:07 AM
apple crying rn
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Egdarska
now do some settings optimizations to see how fast the mac can really render
which ones? I actually dunno
10:08 AM
some of these?
10:08 AM
meow
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would the mac benefit from tiling?
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i don't know how fat the gpu is in general
10:08 AM
i shaved a whole second by using 512x512 tiles 💪
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oh, smaller tiles = better?
10:09 AM
it'd help with cache utilization
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i assume
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no, it depends on architecture
10:10 AM
for example 128x128 tiles destroy performance on my gpu
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render time goes from 32s to 39
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gpus usually benefit from larger tiles, up to a point
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yeah i tried 512x512 and it dies
10:10 AM
its gonna take like 80 seconds nowl ol
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cpus want small tiles
10:11 AM
tile size used to destroy performance on gpus more, if you used 128x128 like for example if you wanted to use gpu and cpu at the same time, gpu performance would plummet like 5x
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1 minute 8 seconds
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now it's not as bad but still not ideal
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1080 tiles
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my gpu seems fine with 512x512 and up, there's no difference between 512 and 2048
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512 is already a regression here
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also, try the new view transform and compare it to standard
10:15 AM
or the old filmic
10:15 AM
the default tiling setting was best, shocking
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Egdarska
also, try the new view transform and compare it to standard
wut?
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they use agx now
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where? 😛
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color management, at the bottom of the options
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(trying AgX)
10:17 AM
performs the same?
10:19 AM
anyways, performance is mid
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yeah, it's just a view transform
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biggest advantage of apple silicon is that i get 20GB of VRAM lol
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it's applied to the final image
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M3 Max can have 128GB total RAM - so ~100-110GB of total VRAM
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blender can use system ram anyway, it's just slower
10:19 AM
it's not an issue like it used to be
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i remember my 2060 super going from SPEED to it's alright
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tho
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trying to use a 2GB card with blender 2.72 was pain
10:20 AM
you can just use 4 high quality textures and it's gone
10:21 AM
but i did learn a lot of tricks to maximize texel density
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man this vram discussion always pisses me off
10:21 AM
amd offers so much vram for cheap
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and its worthless for what i want vram for...
10:21 AM
machine learning/llms and rendering... (edited)
10:22 AM
my 2060 super can outperform the 7700 XT or 7800 XT if the workload fits in vram... ?????
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forgot about the sampling, see if it helps on mac
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I lowkey wish I could just SLI 4060 Ti 16G
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Egdarska
forgot about the sampling, see if it helps on mac
where
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in sampling>advanced
10:23 AM
there's an option that says scrambling distance
10:23 AM
automatic is unchecked by default, check it and do a render
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alright
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on mine it drops form 32s to 28
10:24 AM
gpu only though
10:24 AM
there's also a lot of optimizations that can be done for stuff like transmission
10:25 AM
but those always have a quality tradeoff
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it had to optimize kernels
10:25 AM
but it still rendered first, i'll have to re-render lol
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yeah, it changes how the sampling is ordered so it has to change kernels
10:25 AM
but yeah even with that it was faster for me
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got 59.58 seconds before
10:26 AM
59.37s now, it's slightly faster
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lol, compared to not checking it?
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this is performing better than I expected, NGL
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or what was the base time?
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Egdarska
lol, compared to not checking it?
no, the base time was like 1m5s
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so not a small difference
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so the difference is about the same as on my gpu
10:27 AM
and this is one of those things where it might make a bigger difference with more complex scenes
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yeah classroom isn't complex for modern standards i'd say lol
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i'm thinking it's going to help a lot with things with lots of low light bounces
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I mean, what about increasing samples a bit to offset the lower quality
10:28 AM
would that end up ahead in quality
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this one shouldn't affect quality, it's basically free performance for gpus
10:29 AM
all it does is change the randomness of the samples, but you're going to get rid of the noise anyway
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things like approximate GI does change quality
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its just a noise pattern thing lol
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yeah
10:30 AM
but gpus hate having to update the pattern too much every sample
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makes sense tbh
10:31 AM
it trashes caches and shit lol
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to really piss off the "REAL RAY TRACING" folks use approximate GI
10:31 AM
it fakes the bounces lol
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where is that
10:31 AM
🔥
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in options, under light paths
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the problem is with one bounce it looks like shit
10:32 AM
but for simple renders and no point of reference it's a huge time saving
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those are defaults
10:33 AM
what can I try?
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render bounce 1 looks like shit, it's like going back to ue4 after using lumen lol
10:33 AM
2 bounces is "alright"
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so i set it to 4
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that might run slower than just doing it for real
10:34 AM
3 bounces runs the same as just doing it for real for me
10:34 AM
the only usable settings seem to be 1 if you don't have much bounce lighting and 2 if you need the time savings
10:35 AM
2 bounces is 25s vs 28 of the normal render
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4 still saved time
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might be an architectural difference then, 3 bounces ran the same for me
10:35 AM
only like .2 seconds faster
10:36 AM
the real fun is when you start using volumes
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this is 2
10:37 AM
1
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yeah, 1 renders fast as fuck
10:38 AM
but uh
10:38 AM
😬
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image quality is fake
10:39 AM
big rendering created it to sell us gpus
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the funniest thing is, thanks to Nvidia™️ now the old tricks aren't even worth it
10:40 AM
baking lighting and adding it in post to save render times takes longer than just rendering it
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i assume the gpus with hardware rt dont really benefit from this
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unless you're doing a really long animation where lighting doesn't change
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i assume the gpus with hardware rt dont really benefit from this
they do
10:41 AM
even with hardware rt this is a lot of work
10:41 AM
with some volume rendering
10:41 AM
increase your render times by 50% with this one weird trick
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i mean the fake gi
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exio4
i mean the fake gi
i know, it still helps
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went from 32 to 15s
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with 1 bounce
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i mean the usable ones
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2 bounces is still a lot faster, 24s
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3 is still an improvement here
10:46 AM
pretty big one
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so it's kinda worth using if you're not going for ultra realism
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and 4 is a tiny bit faster
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like if you're doing a stylized render, just fake everything
10:47 AM
one downside of everything being so good by default in blender now is that there aren't any more "magic" settings
10:48 AM
you can still get some gains, but it's nothing like the old days of going from 10 minutes to 50 seconds
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amd crying rn
10:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKGpaU4ffnk @Egdarska what song is this 'clearly referencing to'?
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idk
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@exio4 i guess volume is so hard to denoise it doesn't really matter which denoiser you use
10:58 AM
or maybe optix just got better recently
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could be
11:03 AM
nvidia doesnt stop optimizing shit
11:03 AM
lol
11:03 AM
(if they care about it)
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exio4
(if they care about it)
pour one out for hairworks
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i mean i just feel like thats them realizing it was kinda a dead-end
11:06 AM
like dlss1
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i still find VXAO hilarious
11:06 AM
it was dead before it came out
11:06 AM
that was the voxel AO that killed performance
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rt at home fr
11:08 AM
>A few months ago we started working with Nixxes Software to help them integrate VXAO into Rise of the Tomb Raider game, and it was successfully released in a patch last week. This is the first use of VXAO in a real world game, and it proves the point that VXAO is the next step in ambient occlusion technology. There are plenty of game locations where VXAO shines. For example, many indoor locations start looking much more natural – see Fig. 5 and 6.
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i'm still mad ue4 got rid of svogi before release
11:08 AM
nixxes
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yeah that's the only time i've used vxao, rise of the tomb raider
11:09 AM
are there even more games that used it?
11:10 AM
i forgot about final fantasy 15 lol
11:11 AM
also are there even any games that use optix curves? that's the successor to hairworks
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use what
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use what
OptiX SDK 7.1 is the latest update to the new OptiX 7 API. Version 7.1 introduces a new curve primitive for hair and fur, tiled denoising, and improved debugging and profiling.
11:21 AM
they have RT curve rendering for hair and fur
11:21 AM
but i don't think any game uses them
11:22 AM
though they seem to be aimed at offline rendering
11:22 AM
just seems weird that hairworks seems to be dead and they don't have a good replacement
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maybe marketing didnt work out
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maybe we'll have good hair rendering by dx15
11:24 AM
ue5 has really good hair rendering, but it still leaves a lot up to the dev, so rip
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Egdarska
ue5 has really good hair rendering, but it still leaves a lot up to the dev, so rip
so it doesn't
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it's kinda hard to have something that always looks correct but also doesn't limit the developer
11:30 AM
and the problem is that even if the shader is perfect it will still require the hair cards to be made a certain way, and if they use spline hair then it will be up to how the dev animates it
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and the problem is that even if the shader is perfect it will still require the hair cards to be made a certain way, and if they use spline hair then it will be up to how the dev animates it
just use machine learning lol 👍
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12:04 PM
i wish this mf had gotten obsessed with ocarina of time instead
12:04 PM
we'd have it running 60fps on hardware by now
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12:08 PM
hes funny
12:09 PM
because you can tell he doesn’t think about anything but n64 hardware
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he lucked out by getting the useful autism
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12:11 PM
it's also amazing because it's not like with other stuff where knowledge is unlocked because of new technology or software
12:11 PM
almost everything he's come up with is stuff the original devs could have done with their knowledge
12:11 PM
or like, with knowledge that was available at the time
12:13 PM
in case you didn't watch it, the biggest change was using a formula from a 7th century indian mathematician to speed up the sine calculation
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Egdarska
in case you didn't watch it, the biggest change was using a formula from a 7th century indian mathematician to speed up the sine calculation
i had watched this one
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I woke up late as fuck yesterday and now I can't sleep
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Egdarska
I woke up late as fuck yesterday and now I can't sleep
👍 relatable
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Egdarska
I woke up late as fuck yesterday and now I can't sleep
squanchy 🥗 2/25/2024 2:42 PM
Do a 30 minute body workout.
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Egdarska
i wish this mf had gotten obsessed with ocarina of time instead
deadlybydsgn 2/25/2024 3:06 PM
I didn’t finish the video yet, but does it result in anything I can use to improve my n64 games?
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deadlybydsgn 2/25/2024 3:17 PM
3:18 PM
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deadlybydsgn 2/25/2024 3:20 PM
Also, does the new Nvidia App still allow you to stream games? That’s the only thing from GF Experience that I would miss (edited)
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Mango9999
Click to see attachment 🖼️
deadlybydsgn 2/25/2024 3:20 PM
I somehow managed to never have a Zip drive
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Also, does the new Nvidia App still allow you to stream games? That’s the only thing from GF Experience that I would miss (edited)
SleepingSnake 2/25/2024 3:26 PM
afaik, the new app is basically just a geforce experience reskin.
3:26 PM
So, probably yes.
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I somehow managed to never have a Zip drive
that one there is pretty cool because it's an oem non official internal zip drive. not a mega common thing
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SleepingSnake
afaik, the new app is basically just a geforce experience reskin.
it's not just a reskin, they changed some stuff
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3:40 PM
they removed most of the ansel features, now it's just a photo mode
3:41 PM
but now there's 120fps recording 🥳
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Egdarska
they removed most of the ansel features, now it's just a photo mode
squanchy 🥗 2/25/2024 4:25 PM
pepeCry
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deadlybydsgn 2/25/2024 5:29 PM
🙁
An important note for Moonlight users (who haven't switched over to Sunshine): the new app apparently removes the Gamestream backend used by Moonlight for game streaming.
5:34 PM
Is sunshine something I can use outside of Nvidia drivers to do the same thing? I’ll have to check. Today is busy with the kids and a bday party
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hehe recently i was like 'damn, my laptop is so fkin slow these days, gotta replace it'
10:14 PM
today i opened a fan control app
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and CPU fan wasn't working
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and laptop was throttling
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now i fixed it ay
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hehe recently i was like 'damn, my laptop is so fkin slow these days, gotta replace it'
takanome9104 2/25/2024 10:35 PM
and if you have hdd replace it with ssd will be really great for laptop
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turned out the cpu fan stopped
10:45 PM
because i left a screw there somewhere
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behind the fan
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and it got stuck
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broke some wings but still working fine
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piernikowy
because i left a screw there somewhere
I can imagine you saying kurwa when you found that out
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yes kurwa
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Just imagine if Windows detected the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller as a HID over USB
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Mango9999
Click to see attachment 🖼️
DeAthWisH00123 2/26/2024 1:57 AM
old tv and whatever that contraption above it is
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more about software, but i just built a new PC and this is my first time using Windows 11. i went out of my way to bypass the OOBE to make a local account without logging into a Microsoft account. if i log into a Microsoft account now that im all set up, would it be impossible to get rid of like when you sign up at first install? or can i just sign right back out if its after that OOBE screen?
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more about software, but i just built a new PC and this is my first time using Windows 11. i went out of my way to bypass the OOBE to make a local account without logging into a Microsoft account. if i log into a Microsoft account now that im all set up, would it be impossible to get rid of like when you sign up at first install? or can i just sign right back out if its after that OOBE screen?
It should still be possible, you may have to create another local account and remove the other one, perhaps
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i actually remember on Windows 10 you can log out because i remember logging out of one account for Minecraft to log into the other. it should be fine.
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Minecraf8568 2/26/2024 3:52 PM
how can i get prodigs
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 3:52 PM
I managed to end up with two separate Minecraft accounts due to the way Mojang handled the Microsoft account thing
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@exio4 i can't deal with 4GB in a phone anymore
5:25 PM
How did apple users do it?
5:26 PM
Lol there's still low end phones coming out with 3 and 4GB, that's not even low end anymore
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 6:27 PM
4GB in an iPhone is like 8 in an Android, duh.
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nodders
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 6:28 PM
Seriously though, I never felt like my iPhone couldn't do anything I was trying to do with it. I just do phone stuff
6:28 PM
Whereas my budget androids of the past definitely felt budget
6:29 PM
We'll see what I do when I stop receiving OS updates, which is this next version. iOS18 won't support my phone from 2018 (Xs Max)
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Apple doesn't make budget devices octolingSip
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 6:37 PM
6:37 PM
Generally, yeah, but the SE might as well be budget in most ways outside of the processor
6:38 PM
A recent processor but with a worse screen, camera, design, etc.
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Generally, yeah, but the SE might as well be budget in most ways outside of the processor
SuperoakWood 2/26/2024 6:40 PM
Cuz everything other then the processor is recycled from their previous phones
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Generally, yeah, but the SE might as well be budget in most ways outside of the processor
It's still a $400 phone
6:42 PM
The SE4 is rumored to be even more expensive
6:42 PM
Since they will do away with the home button and have it adapt a look more like the XR
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 6:51 PM
I sure hope so. I wasn't sure what was going on with it, but switching to old XR bodies makes sense
6:54 PM
iPhones make sense for me since I'm in a niche where I use a Mac at my day job and take a lot of photos and videos for work purposes. The long term support doesn't hurt, either, but I'm also not buying brand new phones for MSRP
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I'll buy high end when they're not $1200 starting price (edited)
7:04 PM
Redmagic fits that bill for me
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 7:19 PM
I don't see the appeal to the really big phones, either. An iPhone Pro (non-max) of a recent year would be enough for me
7:20 PM
I have literally shot multi-angle social media vids and airdropped them onto my laptop to double check timing and things in Final Cut for the person being filmed. Again, it's super niche, but super handy (edited)
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I don't like huge phones either
7:42 PM
6.7" is enough
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6.8" is perfect
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6.1" is too small
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Moonlacer
6.8" is perfect
SuperoakWood 2/26/2024 8:13 PM
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Specifically 6.8" Redmagic bricks
8:27 PM
The Samsung curve is dumb
8:27 PM
They kept the rounded edges on the S24U but started using a flat screen
8:27 PM
Literally useless and just makes the phone wider
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deadlybydsgn 2/26/2024 8:35 PM
I'd rather have 6.1". My Xs Max is larger than I'd like. The screen is nice but my wife's normal iPhone is just easier
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I can't type on a phone that small
8:45 PM
Only real ones know
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Moonlacer
Only real ones know
JustAnotherUser 2/26/2024 8:49 PM
Nope, am a real person, I ain't got a clue what are these.
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ISO collection
9:10 PM
For installing OSes
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Moonlacer
For installing OSes
JustAnotherUser 2/26/2024 9:30 PM
All greek to me, pal.
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Egdarska
How did apple users do it?
apple doesn’t use java
11:50 PM
basically apps will use a lot less memory + the OS frameworks are better designed for low memory situations, people have tried comparing gmail vs gmail app etc and ios is almost always ahead by a lot
11:56 PM
also, iphones being funny fast for the time means you will prefer wasting cpu cycles over caching everything in memory, an app I worked on would prefetch only one page rendered ahead of time at best while you would need to prefetch more on android or a budget soc would choke
11:57 PM
iphone 6s is still similar in single core to budget phones of today btw, basically 9 year old iphone
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apple with 8 gb now is great tho
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even better battery life, hell yeah
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Moonlacer
They kept the rounded edges on the S24U but started using a flat screen
SuperoakWood 2/27/2024 12:18 AM
Ifrc it was just to make the s23u back covers unusable for the s24u
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exio4
apple doesn’t use java
I've found android apps to use 3x more mem than similar apps on linux. One is auxio which uses 300MiB while deadbeef on linux which has a ton of features uses less 100 MiB
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Egdarska
6.7" is enough
SadSinglePringle 2/27/2024 1:13 AM
hear me out
1:13 AM
large phones are great
1:13 AM
aslong as the ui is good
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i could easily use an 8 inch phone if the software was good
1:14 AM
but a 5 inch phone with bad software is impossible
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Egdarska
6.7" is enough
squanchy 🥗 2/27/2024 1:41 AM
What is that, a phone for ants?
1:41 AM
6.7" is for tiny baby hands.
1:41 AM
6.8" is for gigantic man hands.
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SadSinglePringle
but a 5 inch phone with bad software is impossible
I don't think there's software good enough that can make a 5" phone good
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squanchy 🥗 2/27/2024 1:48 AM
Remember the Dell Streak? That was a 5" "phablet" and we thought it was enormous. (edited)
1:49 AM
"Phablet" was what we used to call large phones, i.e. phones which are tablet sized.
1:49 AM
Except it meant 5" back in 2010.
1:50 AM
Do phablets even exist anymore? Phones have stagnated at 6'8" for about 5 years now. Anything bigger is either a foldable, or an actual tablet with a cellular modem in it.
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Yeah, and i struggled with ny phone back then
1:50 AM
Shitty ass 4'' samsung thing
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squanchy 🥗 2/27/2024 1:50 AM
How small were your hands back then?
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About the same size
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squanchy 🥗 2/27/2024 1:50 AM
PES_CryHands
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Also, phablets are just a normal phone now
1:51 AM
Thank god
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squanchy 🥗 2/27/2024 1:53 AM
Oh the memes.
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feelsnostalgiaman
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I unironically want an iBoard for my kitchen.
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Apparently
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Steve Jobs' daughter is called
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Eve Jobs
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🤨
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I remember the galaxy note 3 being huge, it was 5.7 inches lol
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Awesomeangotti 2/27/2024 3:02 AM
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@exio4
3:21 AM
it's about the gre not the xtx kek
3:22 AM
i mean, i guess "targeting" is meaningless
3:22 AM
you can miss
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the GRE is funny because its only a few % better in raster, but the wide CUs give it a "real lead" over the 7800 XT in RT
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so older RT titles perform pretty decently
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what about the meme mesh shaders game?
3:23 AM
This new-ish GPU is priced at the same $549 as the RTX 4070, but it offers better performance
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the problem for alan wake 2
3:24 AM
is that dlss ray reconstruction is actually a massive performance advantage for nvidia
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but that's getting into image quality territory
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lol, i was wondering how it tied the 4070 in alan wake 2
3:24 AM
high preset lmao
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DLSS ray reconstruction offers better IQ than the denoisers it comes with
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and DLSS/FSR2 are the only AA options as well
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so this isn't technically apples to apples
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exio4
DLSS ray reconstruction offers better IQ than the denoisers it comes with
(w/ better performance)
3:26 AM
but that requires "upscaling"
3:26 AM
(cringe)
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just do rr with dlaa
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iirc dlrr isn't optimized yet for that
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but still, dlaa vs fsr2aa is uh
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image quality moment
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rr makes the rt look amazing even at dlss quality anyway
3:30 AM
i just find it funny how amd keeps fucking up the pricing, but i guess at this level there's just not much they can lower it
3:30 AM
instead of making it an instant buy for people on the fence they made it compete in price with a4070
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i had so much hopium for amd
3:30 AM
rdna3 burned me so hard
3:30 AM
nah this time it'll work
Sticker
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me a year ago
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at $450 it would be an actual recommendation
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4060 Ti 16G at that price so yeah
3:32 AM
it'd make sense there
3:38 AM
also, @Egdarska i am doing a "new project" and it's funny
3:38 AM
i might need to reimplement LODs lol
3:39 AM
it's a web UI project, but the raw assets are stupidly high res, and there's some zooming / transitions needed
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just Simplygon it
3:39 AM
oh
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it can be non-web too
3:39 AM
but like
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at what point is using vectors better than resizing images?
3:40 AM
bring back flash pages
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it's worse because the assets are not something I really control
3:40 AM
i think the first demo assets they showed were like 20K pngs lol
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lol, that would have crashed the browser not even that long ago
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yeah im actually shocked those files just ran slow
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can you do mipmapping on a regular page?
3:42 AM
or just make in webgl kek
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i think there's the possibility of using custom desktop code
3:43 AM
so i'll just uh
3:43 AM
try that
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i don't know how possible it is to have mipmaps in a browser tbh
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you can always just DIY that bad boy
3:43 AM
I tried it before lol
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how'd it go?
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it was fine, the biggest issue is that nothing is really "made" for that
3:44 AM
there's libraries which do it for you, i have a lot of freedom on the software side rn
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lol, speaking of software
3:47 AM
they tried to migrate the data from our current charting software to the new one, but the thing's database is such a nightmare they couldn't do it
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we have to input the data for around 3,000 patients by hand
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2,700, something like that
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the people who know their shit have been warning the higher ups that we should have moved over years ago
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but people in executive positions are so smart, why would they ever listen to someone who actually does the work?
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i still have to train people on the new software btw, but i still haven't been given the full workflow
3:51 AM
so it's like idk figure it out
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"wing it out whats the worst that can happen"
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half the work is just teaching people how to navigate a modern program and a pc
3:53 AM
we have people too old to have used computers in daily life, and people too young to use computers as a main device
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im too old to not think with computers
3:54 AM
but i used linux 15 years ago so
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i did a survey, of the employees on the floor who are 18-22, only around 30% use a pc regularly, and of those almost half only use it for gaming
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so basically they boot their laptop, open steam, and play
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of the rest, almost 40% have a pc they own but don't really use, and over 30% don't have a pc at all
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they just have their phone, smart tv, and a tablet sometimes
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i get annoyed when i have to explain UX things
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last time i had to explain that deleting something on the cloud folder would delete it off their phone too
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if it's good UX you don't need to explain it :^)
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sometimes we have oopsies that aren't really people's fault tho
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the cloud stuff is a bit less obvious
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if deleting something sends it to the recycle bin, you'd expect that to happen every time, but by default the recycle bin isn't accessible on a network drive in windows
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we've had that happen a few times where people delete stuff from their personal drive and they want it back
3:58 AM
you can restore the drive backup, but that's not the same as just going in the recycle bin
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i also really hate how pressing the X at the top can either close the program or minimize it
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on macOS it always minimizes it
4:00 AM
meow
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if i wanted the program to go away and keep running i'd press the button that means make it small and keep running
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nah, on macOS "app running" is separated from "open windows"
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something on your dock might have no open windows, and still be running there
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on windows too, but the X is supposed to close the program
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not really
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on windows the taskbar is for windows
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there's an exception for stuff that lives in the tray
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not apps
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exio4
not apps
there's no clear way to close apps on windows
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most of the time they just keep running
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that's like the first rule of good UX, you do what the user tells you to do
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if i click the button that historically means "close this" then you close it
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exio4
on macOS it always minimizes it
On linux it depends, some applications will even take the kill signal from i3 and instead minimize lol, though I've found it useful for certain applications
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yeah, I know, that is what I mean by macOS being more consistent in this regard, the red button is about closing the windows (it always does that), not closing the app (some "close themselves" - but they're generally the iOS-like apps which can just recover state gracefully)
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Android is also similar, some apps will run in the background even if you close them on the app menu
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yeah, but phones are understood to be different
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on a phone you want things to keep "running" unless you specifically go out of your way to kill it
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why are they different tho
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there isn't much difference now, but that's how it's been
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Samueru
Android is also similar, some apps will run in the background even if you close them on the app menu
You have to do this on android to kill the app
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the heck is that
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It tells you the active background apps
4:06 AM
There stopping it will kill the app
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no i mean where is that in the OS
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You see the cog on the lower part of the screen?
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Next to the power icon
4:09 AM
Well it is right there, it says active apps when it is not selected
4:10 AM
i never noticed it
4:10 AM
also, we're having a dengue epidemic
4:10 AM
👍
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exio4
i never noticed it
Let me guess IOS doesnt have it
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exio4
also, we're having a dengue epidemic
i forgot you have backwards seasons
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Samueru
Let me guess IOS doesnt have it
ios doesnt give you control like this yeah, it just forcefully throttles all background apps
4:12 AM
they can't even use the network beyond a few kilobytes / second lol
4:13 AM
heavy i/o throttling is also a thing
4:13 AM
(on macOS too, but in macOS it's more explicit, the app has to request it, on iOS - anything but the 'current apps' get shafted)
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Android also gives the power to remove preinstalled apps, but it has to be thru adb shell, although this is going to be easier in the future due to regulations iirc
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i personally use the preinstalled apps
4:14 AM
but i have seen a prompt to uninstall them
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I just found out I have a V1 switch (this in not me trying to advertise to the discord) and I was wonder what was the best play to sell it as I dont really use it all that much and all I would do with it is rip TOTK to play on my steam deck
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Zægreus
I just found out I have a V1 switch (this in not me trying to advertise to the discord) and I was wonder what was the best play to sell it as I dont really use it all that much and all I would do with it is rip TOTK to play on my steam deck
ebay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Samueru
Android also gives the power to remove preinstalled apps, but it has to be thru adb shell, although this is going to be easier in the future due to regulations iirc
does android offer i/o throttling
4:19 AM
i dont remember
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exio4
does android offer i/o throttling
No idea
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Levlight
ebay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
do you know how much it should go for
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Zægreus
do you know how much it should go for
depends on your region just check what the prices of the other v1 switch offers are the simplest way would be to just do a auction (edited)
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on macOS/iOS apple has the option to throttle disk I/O to funny levels for power consumption reasons,. and they leverage that for backups and shit
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Levlight
depends on your region just check what the prices of the other v1 switch offers are the simplest way would be to just do a auction (edited)
I am in north america if that helps at all
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exio4
yeah, I know, that is what I mean by macOS being more consistent in this regard, the red button is about closing the windows (it always does that), not closing the app (some "close themselves" - but they're generally the iOS-like apps which can just recover state gracefully)
Also I dont see the logic on this, the red button means stop to me lol
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Samueru
Also I dont see the logic on this, the red button means stop to me lol
why close an app if you can suspend it?
4:26 AM
you can keep it in memory, compressed - and decompress it once in a while, and run it heavily throttled
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exio4
you can keep it in memory, compressed - and decompress it once in a while, and run it heavily throttled
Oh I get that, just that the color doesn't make sense to me
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wait i misread the thing you talked about
4:34 AM
nvm
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Samueru
Also I dont see the logic on this, the red button means stop to me lol
it's a separation of application / window
4:34 AM
the red closes the windows, it stops that window
thonking 1
4:34 AM
not the app, an app can have 0-n windows
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I don't know rick
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exio4
the red closes the windows, it stops that window
bruh, seek help
4:34 AM
this is too much apple copium
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fr
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idk the macos way makes sense
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kek
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like this is safari
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what's the minimum tabs you can open on safari
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conceptually
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0, of course
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you can have no open tabs/windows
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and it'd still be running, initialized™️
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and opening a new tab would be instant, because the app is right there
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running
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yeah, i don't want that
4:38 AM
i want the close button to close it
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In what sense are we stopping the window? from showing? minimize is for that.
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you have that
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Samueru
In what sense are we stopping the window? from showing? minimize is for that.
nio
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minimize is different
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exio4
you have that
so what's the red button?
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I know that very well, but I don't get your stopping logic
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this is the discord window minized
4:39 AM
this isn't, because it is shown
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why is there stuff in your recycle bin?
4:40 AM
trash can, whatever apple calls it
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i only delete files if i feel the need to do it, and it'll autodelete older stuff if there's file pressure
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Also why do you have a trascan icon on your bar? Can't that be a bookmark on your file explorer instead?
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i just shift+del everything
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no idea if it can be moved lol, i actually got used to it being there
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but i still keep the recycle bin on the desktop out of habit
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this is the desktop i've got rn, i dont see the Trash™️ icon anywhere, but it might be possible to enable it
4:42 AM
telegram (0 windows open, 1 window open)
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exio4
this is the desktop i've got rn, i dont see the Trash™️ icon anywhere, but it might be possible to enable it
Reminds me of windows vista with that many widgets lol
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the batteries one is kinda cringe cuz it doesnt account for the watch
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Egdarska
i want the close button to close it
right click => Quit will do that
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exio4
this is the desktop i've got rn, i dont see the Trash™️ icon anywhere, but it might be possible to enable it
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:44 AM
fuck you.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
fuck you.
what
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exio4
right click => Quit will do that
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:44 AM
also this isn't a good solution it's just a workaround
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exio4
what
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:44 AM
all of those fucking applications that don't need to be open what is wrong with you
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LukeTheVideoGamer
fuck you.
So random lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:45 AM
like i understand the messaging apps and MAYBE the web browser but come the fuck on you don't need SYSTEM SETTINGS open
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it isn't a workaround, it's how you close an app (there's also the top bar...)
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MegaCharizardY72 2/27/2024 4:45 AM
Or yknow, keyboard shortcuts
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LukeTheVideoGamer
like i understand the messaging apps and MAYBE the web browser but come the fuck on you don't need SYSTEM SETTINGS open
bro i actually closed apps for the screenshot
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MegaCharizardY72 2/27/2024 4:45 AM
The superior way to do anything tbh
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cmd+q
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4:45 AM
it closes apps, yeah, but the red button is for closing the window, not the app
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:45 AM
which is stupid
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that is what the Quit action is for
4:46 AM
no, it's just different
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MegaCharizardY72 2/27/2024 4:46 AM
You're not gonna get any comprehension out of that one
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:46 AM
you can be different and stupid at the same time
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exio4
cmd+q
You are 50% of the way to use a window manager, that's the common keybind to close windows (win+q)
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each way has its own quirks
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win+x to minimize
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:47 AM
like, im personally "used" to quitting apps instead of using the red button to close the window, which y'know, i'd be okay with. if the red button was consistent. It's not consistent.
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the apple way makes the Application / Window split very clear, the windows way doesn't, depending on what I do I prefer one or the other
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:47 AM
Sometimes clicking it will close the window but not the app, but other times it just closes the app???? and sometimes you just can't do diddly squat with it??????
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which apps?
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the only apps i've noticed which "close" on the red thing are apps that are technically kinda-somewhat-always running (e.g. Weather app)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:49 AM
I've noted some like, oh I don't know SYSTEM SETTINGS, ive seen Discord do it sometimes weirdly enough but that's inconsistent in and of itself, I've seen third party web browsers do it, it's just weird
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i don't like how inconsistent it functions relative to the apps that i normally use, which makes me wish it either just closed the application, or it closed the window, without any variation
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i've not noticed that tbh, but i also just cmd+q if i wanna quit the app
4:51 AM
pretty colors tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:52 AM
like, if it's gonna give me two different ways to "close" something I'd rather it be consistent about it instead of just being weird and inconsistent, especially across third-party apps.
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exio4
i've not noticed that tbh, but i also just cmd+q if i wanna quit the app
cope
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third-party apps are out of apple's control
4:52 AM
they don't have the lock they do on iOS
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they have guidelines
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if apps don't follow it, then they don't follow it
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Samueru
You are 50% of the way to use a window manager, that's the common keybind to close windows (win+q)
ctrl+q is quit in a lot of programs
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:53 AM
i can live with "red button with the CLOSE symbol only closing the window, and the Quit button actually closing the app", but surely apple can enforce how those buttons work on macOS, like, in Xcode or whatever, right?
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Levlight
cope
It does make sense to have a universal keybind to kill the application though
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i can live with "red button with the CLOSE symbol only closing the window, and the Quit button actually closing the app", but surely apple can enforce how those buttons work on macOS, like, in Xcode or whatever, right?
no, they can't
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Egdarska
ctrl+q is quit in a lot of programs
ctrl+w as well
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cmd+w is for the current window/tab/etc
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Samueru
It does make sense to have a universal keybind to kill the application though
no shit every OS has that even those which arnt real
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it's the metaphorical equivalent of the red button
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exio4
it's the metaphorical equivalent of the red button
if only we had a real red button😔
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Levlight
no shit every OS has that even those which arnt real
Does windows actually have a keybind that will send a sigkill signal to the application though?
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Samueru
Does windows actually have a keybind that will send a sigkill signal to the application though?
alt+F4?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:54 AM
nope
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I think that's a sigterm
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Samueru
Does windows actually have a keybind that will send a sigkill signal to the application though?
windows doesn't even have that in the task manager
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there's some stuff that Apple has standarized
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the "end task" is just asking the program "pretty please"
4:54 AM
it can say no fuck off
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if the application hangs you wont be able to close it with alt+f4
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it is funny I pressed the actual f4 key when typing that lol
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windows doesn't have a single way to actually ensure a misbehaving program is force closed
4:55 AM
all it has is "asking nicely"
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for forcefully killing an app you need to do option+right click (Quit becomes Force Quit)
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on the dock
4:56 AM
cmd+q is the gracefull exit command
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On linux I have a keybind (ctrl+alt+k) mapped to xkill, xkill will kill the window I select with the mouse
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but if the app is hanging, which is the one reason you'd want to force kill it, windows can't do anything
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i expect exio to defend the input running at the same priority as normal programs in windows
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macOS is full of "power user shit" behind key combos mixed with UI, but most of it is behind the option key lol
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Egdarska
i expect exio to defend the input running at the same priority as normal programs in windows
what?
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I expect exio to defend the magic mouse
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magic trackpad*
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exio4
what?
since you like defending shitty design choices
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Samueru
On linux I have a keybind (ctrl+alt+k) mapped to xkill, xkill will kill the window I select with the mouse
Which I think this died with wayland as well lol
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typical
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exio4
for forcefully killing an app you need to do option+right click (Quit becomes Force Quit)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:58 AM
i just really really think it could be a little more intuitive on macOS than what it is currently. i certainly don't expect a novice computer user using a Mac for the first time to know that the RED button that they assume would be "close the application" doesn't actually quit the application, and that they'd need to go up to the Menu bar, click the name of the application, and then hit "Quit" to actually quit an application (and they absolutely won't use a key combo they barely know how to work a mouse sometimes i don't expect them to know Cmd+Q or what it does)
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wayland more like nowayland
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i just really really think it could be a little more intuitive on macOS than what it is currently. i certainly don't expect a novice computer user using a Mac for the first time to know that the RED button that they assume would be "close the application" doesn't actually quit the application, and that they'd need to go up to the Menu bar, click the name of the application, and then hit "Quit" to actually quit an application (and they absolutely won't use a key combo they barely know how to work a mouse sometimes i don't expect them to know Cmd+Q or what it does)
it's not that far off how phones work
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 4:59 AM
hell, it's a little unintuitive if you're coming from Windows, or hell even some Linux desktops!
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"if you're coming from Windows" is half-irrelevant
4:59 AM
macOS is a different OS, it did UI shit before Windows existed, and a lot of decisions were kept over the years; Windows is the one that was weird for a lot of the time lol
5:00 AM
and even if it wasn't this
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why is Windows the standard?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:00 AM
i don't count current macOS as analogous to the classic Mac OS that debuted in 1984. for all i care, they reset back to version one with OS X 10.0
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like, what makes matching windows behavior "inherently better"?
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exio4
like, what makes matching windows behavior "inherently better"?
market share
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exio4
why is Windows the standard?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:01 AM
because it's literally the default on over 2 billion machines worldwide???
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same reason the standard is still either maya or 3ds max even though both are hell to use
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so, this isn't about objectively better / worse design choices, just what people are familiar with?
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both
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no, in this case the reasoning was windows
5:01 AM
coming from windows
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no, my reasoning was logic
5:02 AM
big red x close program
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that's just the logic you've got from the windows world, if you had used macOS it'd be small red x close window
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the fact that windows got it mostly right is irrelevant
5:02 AM
i did use mac os before windows tho
5:03 AM
when it was macintosh
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alright, so you just like it better
5:03 AM
that's fine too
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but like I said, they're just different approaches
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the idea that it is worse is just cringe, it's like linux users fighting for which DE does the most peepoo farts
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mf gonna make a submarine out of cheap plastic and say it's a different approach
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no, it's an app/window separation
5:04 AM
windows slowly took over mac's approach too
5:04 AM
run multiple windows and look at the windows app bar
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you'll see them grouped
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i wonder why
5:04 AM
it's still the old system at heart, with a coat of paint
5:05 AM
liberal destroyed
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exio4
it's still the old system at heart, with a coat of paint
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:05 AM
if it ain't broken, which trust me there's a lot of things broken in windows unrelated to this, then why fix it?
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they can't change it or the windows bros would complain for 7 years and the window release would never get over 5% user installbase
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:06 AM
even if windows switched to being a Unix-like overnight i doubt the inherently application-based windowing system would change, because it doesn't need to be.
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until they revert it back in the next release
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LukeTheVideoGamer
if it ain't broken, which trust me there's a lot of things broken in windows unrelated to this, then why fix it?
it isn't broken, it's just different, that's my point; both are - and depending on what you do, one or the other are nicer, i personally like cmd+tab being apps, and cmd+` being for windows
5:08 AM
it means i can have some app open 5 windows for some forsaken reason, and i don't need to suffer them (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:10 AM
oh yeah, another pretty major gripe with macOS: why is there no NATIVE window snapping??? if i want to have a good workflow, i'd probably want the best window configuration i can, no? makes it a god damn pain to just use my system with everything just strewn about
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yeah thats a fair one
5:11 AM
there are third-party apps, but the OS shouldn't be that barebones
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hol up, it doesn't have any snapping?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:11 AM
nope!
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bruh
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Egdarska
hol up, it doesn't have any snapping?
not stock
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Killing my bar with the power of linux just because lol
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so no
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Samueru
Killing my bar with the power of linux just because lol
btw is there anyway to exit xkill xD happens time to time for me that I hit it without needed it
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I mention stock vs non-stock because I assume installing an app isn't a struggle for a power user, we all know how to install chrome don't we
5:12 AM
same deal
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Levlight
btw is there anyway to exit xkill xD happens time to time for me that I hit it without needed it
right click instead of left haha
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ah makes sence^^
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exio4
I mention stock vs non-stock because I assume installing an app isn't a struggle for a power user, we all know how to install chrome don't we
that's not the point
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I used to click on the empty desktop
5:13 AM
but that actually kills feh now
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which is the wallpaper setter lol
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notlaurence 2/27/2024 5:13 AM
time to kill the kernal
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what other basic feature is macos still missing?
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Samueru
I used to click on the empty desktop
same I just killed kwin/taskbar/desktop all the time which auto restarts when it dies (edited)
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lmao
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we've been over app volume and window snapping
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it's got a pretty weather app tho Jensenthumb
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Egdarska
we've been over app volume and window snapping
app volume is an actual feature that is missing, and getting it back needs disabling security measures or something iirc, tho
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window snapping is... like saying Windows doesn't support games because Steam doesn't come preinstalled lol
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(xbox app is trash, don't @ me)
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i wonder if it unbroke itself since last time i tried gamepass
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:15 AM
nope still broken
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Is macos still lacking something like pavucontrol?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:16 AM
YES
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holy shit
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:16 AM
AND IM SO FUCKING ANGRY
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I ran into that shit in the university in like 2015 lol
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exio4
window snapping is... like saying Windows doesn't support games because Steam doesn't come preinstalled lol
games aren't a basic os feature
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Egdarska
games aren't a basic os feature
what about media playback
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windows doesn't do h265 by default
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(or av1)
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notlaurence 2/27/2024 5:17 AM
h265 is because of a US patent issue, no?
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Egdarska
what other basic feature is macos still missing?
a right click
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:17 AM
like, you can change which audio output is in system settings or system preferences depending on which macOS you're using, but you can't do audio piping or whatever, you can't do individual application-based volume management, it's just shit
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exio4
windows doesn't do h265 by default
i never noticed, i'm assuming it installs as an update
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notlaurence
h265 is because of a US patent issue, no?
apple does it tho, but it's irrelevant because it is a non-issue, i explicitly mention this because it's a typical "gotcha" that isn't but is used the same way back
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Egdarska
i never noticed, i'm assuming it installs as an update
no, you needed to install it once and then it stays on your account
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since i never installed the hvec codec but i still use h265
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Egdarska
i never noticed, i'm assuming it installs as an update
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:18 AM
no, it's a fucking app in the Microsoft Store
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wut
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no, it's not an app
5:18 AM
it's just a software toggle
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lol
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it's even more stupid
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:18 AM
well, it's a ""software toggle"" but like come the fuck on it's in the app store, it's an app.
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windows 10 once wanted me to pay 1 usd for a codec, I think it was h265 lol
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there's non-app things in the app store
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but that's the funny, it's fine, it's just one of the quirks of setting up an OS (if you need some of the features) I can make a worse point for spotlight
5:19 AM
macOS has spotlight and the closest alternative is Microsoft's PowerToys Run or whatever it is called
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which is still not even 2010 spotlight tier
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every OS has its own quirks
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exio4
macOS has spotlight and the closest alternative is Microsoft's PowerToys Run or whatever it is called
notlaurence 2/27/2024 5:19 AM
Everything my beloved
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i don't know what spotlight is
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macOS' biggest feature L is the app-volume
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:19 AM
regardless, Windows's HEVC/h265 support can be separate from an individual application's support for it, shit like VLC, MPV, and a lot of web browsers all can support H265 without needing that Windows thing, it just sucks for the three apps that do need that Windows thing
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Egdarska
i don't know what spotlight is
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:19 AM
system-wide search
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I remembered macos is also lacking tiling windows with dragging to the sides, which even xfce has it
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ah, i don't really need that so 🤷‍♂️
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Samueru
I remembered macos is also lacking tiling windows with dragging to the sides, which even xfce has it
that is what windows snapping is
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Egdarska
ah, i don't really need that so 🤷‍♂️
it isn't just search
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exio4
that is what windows snapping is
It is a feature now on macos?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:20 AM
it isn't just search but come on, it's search.
5:20 AM
everyone uses it like a search bar for files and apps, it's search.
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i use it as a calculator a lot
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i just open things from the folder
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i have a calculator hotkey so 🤷‍♂️
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I just open the calculator with win+c lol
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yeah, spotlight is a single unified thing
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Samueru
I just open the calculator with win+c lol
that's the spydroid now
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Samueru
It is a feature now on macos?
no, but it's just a tiny app you can install and does it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:22 AM
third party, of course, because Apple would never.
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there's a few you can pick from, as a linux user "you have to install an app" shouldn't deter you
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meow
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i love windows' amazing 3d rendering capabilities
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exio4
no, but it's just a tiny app you can install and does it
Does it also keep the windows tiled when you change the size of one?
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it's not native but you just download a program and it does it (edited)
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Samueru
Does it also keep the windows tiled when you change the size of one?
I think so, I don't use them (14" screen + default resolution means I only have 900p or so of usable screen space)
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Samueru
Does it also keep the windows tiled when you change the size of one?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:24 AM
the tool i use whenever i use macOS uhh doesn't.
5:24 AM
you have to eyeball it which at that point what's the point aside from quick and easy snapping
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Egdarska
i love windows' amazing 3d rendering capabilities
you can make a point for almost anything, the key is if the app can just do normal api stuff or if they need to do hacky shit
5:25 AM
like, NVIDIA's overlay isn't even technically part of the driver package, you need to install it
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but it's their own program
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the default driver windows comes only has the old control panel for now, but it's stupid to point this out because it's literally just double clicking an exe from nvidia
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a more apt comparison would be if you needed some third party program to have those features
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like rivatuner?
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which feature does rivatuner offer over the nvidia program? it's only the extended overlay
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LukeTheVideoGamer
the tool i use whenever i use macOS uhh doesn't.
This is what I'm asking just in case
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which isn't even a rivatuner thing, it needs hwinfo64 or something similar
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Egdarska
which feature does rivatuner offer over the nvidia program? it's only the extended overlay
isn't overclocking not a thing on the nvidia control panel?
5:27 AM
iirc gfe has some but its limited too
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depends on your card
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i know, it's overclocking
5:27 AM
but like
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Windows needs PowerToys which are semi-third-party (Microsoft branding, open-source project by the community)
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blobShrug
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Samueru
This is what I'm asking just in case
i3 which is meant to be used with the keyboard even lets you do the dynamic tling with the mouse
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most of the powertoy shit is just extra, extending beyond the basic capabilities
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This is what I'm asking just in case
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:28 AM
i can't see it because my phone hates your screen recordings but im pretty sure i know what you mean, and the tool i used, i think it was called Rectangle, it doesn't do that.
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you don't need powertoys for window tiling for example, just if you want customizable FancyZones
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i can't see it because my phone hates your screen recordings but im pretty sure i know what you mean, and the tool i used, i think it was called Rectangle, it doesn't do that.
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:29 AM
like
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Egdarska
most of the powertoy shit is just extra, extending beyond the basic capabilities
Text Extractor is a convenient way to copy text from anywhere on your screen.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i can't see it because my phone hates your screen recordings but im pretty sure i know what you mean, and the tool i used, i think it was called Rectangle, it doesn't do that.
Oh damn
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LukeTheVideoGamer
like
That's weird
5:30 AM
And the vid is a regular mp4, not even mkv
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I can literally just pause a video, or take a picture - and macOS will OCR the image blobShrug
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i would just say that's an extra for macos
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it isn't an extra, it's core functionality lol
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window tiling has been in linux for what, 12 years?
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no, 30 years or so
5:31 AM
i'd say
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i meant the dragging and snapping
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exio4
it isn't an extra, it's core functionality lol
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:31 AM
who the fuck uses OCR on such a regular basis that they NEED it built into their image preview utility
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old keyboard snapping is older yeah
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:31 AM
oh wait
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i know who
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you, for some reason.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
who the fuck uses OCR on such a regular basis that they NEED it built into their image preview utility
it's pretty neat
5:31 AM
just not a basic feature at this point
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:31 AM
it's neat, but i don't need it
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cool
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you don't need window snapping either, the window management technically is basic enough that it does something
5:32 AM
irrelevant, it's still an useful feature
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lots of people don't need per program volume either, but i can't do without it
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per app volume is the real kicker there
5:32 AM
it's core OS functionality that the OS doesn't support that needs hacks
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windows 7 btw
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:32 AM
it's a nice to have, not a necessity, i agree! i just don't understand it specifically for built-in OCR
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or was it vista? i remember the longhorn preview had something like the volume mixer
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vista iirc
5:33 AM
windows snapping can be added with an app, the same way OCR can be added on windows
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therefore, bringing it up as a "big deal breaker" is stupid
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LukeTheVideoGamer
like
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not a deal breaker, just saying it's basic functionality that should be in an os that requires a $1,500+ device to use
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anybody that has ever considered Linux a real OS can shut up rn btw the OS literally does jack shit for you without a fuckton of manual tuning, double clicking an installer is less effort
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deal breakers will vary by person
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Egdarska
not a deal breaker, just saying it's basic functionality that should be in an os that requires a $1,500+ device to use
mac minis cost $499
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new
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lol
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exio4
mac minis cost $499
come on now
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:34 AM
ah well
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LukeTheVideoGamer
Click to see attachment 🖼️
kek
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that's like saying you can get a pc for cheap, dell has netbooks for $250
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mac mini is actually good tho
5:35 AM
have you used them lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:35 AM
okay finally got to watch it, and yeah Rectangle don't got that.
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crazy
5:36 AM
what
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exio4
have you used them lol
no, are they upgradable?
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exio4
mac mini is actually good tho
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:36 AM
oh i LOVE Mac minis, they're like the only sensibly priced apple products, i just wish they still didn't start with just 8GB of RAM and 256GB of Storage, but it's more understandable at $599 standard pricing ($499 education pricing)
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because the $500 model has 256GB of storage
5:37 AM
inb4 dongles
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Egdarska
no, are they upgradable?
they're not, but they start at that price, and are vastly more capable than the dell netbooks for that price
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Egdarska
inb4 dongles
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:37 AM
i mean the Mini does have two USB3 10Gbps Type A ports
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i mean the Mini does have two USB3 10Gbps Type A ports
for now
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exio4
they're not, but they start at that price, and are vastly more capable than the dell netbooks for that price
wouldn't you be comparing it to a mini pc of that price?
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i mean the Mini does have two USB3 10Gbps Type A ports
USB3?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:37 AM
yeah USB3
5:38 AM
im not calling it USB 3.2 Gen 2
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Egdarska
wouldn't you be comparing it to a mini pc of that price?
the mac mini at launch had much better single core performance, and nT wasn't that far off
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i think the latest price cuts have gotten them even tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i mean the Mini does have two USB3 10Gbps Type A ports
you could mention the usb-c usb4 ports
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but can it run crysis
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they're better
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Egdarska
but can it run crysis
yes actually
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cyberpunk is gonna be a struggle tho
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exio4
you could mention the usb-c usb4 ports
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:39 AM
they specifically mentioned "don't mention dongles", so i brought up the ports that you don't need dongles for, the two USB-A ports
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actually, how does re8 run on the mini?
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it should run better than on the ipads
5:39 AM
so look at the ipad m1 performance, and add 20%+
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minimum
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Egdarska
actually, how does re8 run on the mini?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:40 AM
well enough, ~30-45fps with default settings (so.. low-ish)
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i wanna play re8 again
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sorry for mentioning this but (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:40 AM
it's not gaming PC levels of performance but for a tiny power-sipping desktop it's pretty acceptable
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the mac mini can use a fuckton of power, like 40W
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rip
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so it performs petty well
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almost as much as my gpu idle
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pretty*
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:41 AM
>"a fuckton of power" >40W
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for apple silicon standards it is a lot
5:41 AM
specially M1/M2
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:41 AM
if 40W is a fuck ton, that's definitely saying something about the silicon quality itself
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yeah, being efficient is their main thing
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also, Apple has their alright tier office suite
5:42 AM
For Free™️ with the OS
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literally the only reason to get one
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:42 AM
man if a Mac Mini with decent fucking configurations were cheap i'd easily get one
5:43 AM
there's some value to that, a friend's dad buys macs and uses exclusively their apps because they just come with the OS and are high quality, run offline, etc
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exio4
Click to see attachment 🖼️
That thumbnail hurts my eyes lol
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real men use libre office smh
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Egdarska
real men use libre office smh
facts
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:44 AM
obviously I'd still keep a Windows PC (or alternatively a Linux one) around for workloads i can't do on a Mac, like actually gaming with more than like 5 games, but other than that, gimme a Mac Mini (preferably with M2 Pro because damn boi), a decent 4K display (i am not touching the 5K displays out there with a 30 foot pole until they come down to SENSIBLE prices), and im set
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Egdarska
real men use libre office smh
real men write their office docs in vim
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guy writing latex in the corner:
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Samueru
real men write their office docs in vim
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:45 AM
thank god you can install vim on macOS, im pretty sure it got ported via Homebrew (brew.sh check it out some time)
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i write my own office suites in cobol like a good boomer
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LukeTheVideoGamer
thank god you can install vim on macOS, im pretty sure it got ported via Homebrew (brew.sh check it out some time)
I don't actually use vim btw, despite the fact that you might get the idea that I do due to that I use i3 and vimium
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i mean, i used freeform as a wannabe adobe xd a few days back
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I'm also not a programmer lol
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unironically sick app
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i just use notepad++ 🤷‍♂️
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:46 AM
notepad++ is cool as shit why is it only on fucking Windows
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Samueru
I'm also not a programmer lol
just the side effects of being a linux user kek
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notepad++ is more of a textedit thing
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Apple's notepad
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exio4
notepad++ is more of a textedit thing
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:47 AM
yeah, if Textedit was actually good :)
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I use vs code tho
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exio4
I use vs code tho
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:47 AM
electron bloat 🤢
5:47 AM
(but nah, valid)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
yeah, if Textedit was actually good :)
bro are u for real
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exio4
I use vs code tho
macos shill using vs code
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LukeTheVideoGamer
electron bloat 🤢
meant to reply to this
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are you ok bro?
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Samueru
are you ok bro?
copilot too good to pass on it
5:48 AM
this is what machine learning was made for
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exio4
meant to reply to this
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/27/2024 5:48 AM
one message down would've prevented this message btw
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that's surprisingly good
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kinda mad that it's a cover of a cover
5:51 AM
neco arc doing bruce dickinson's screams would have been better
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freeform is alright to put together shitty mocks because i have no way to visualize things in my head
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just use blender bro
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it has basic alignment functionality
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Egdarska
just use blender bro
blender isn't preinstalled = doesn't count
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right it's stupid
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i use blender even for pamphlets because i can't draw
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now y'all are getting it
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blender isn't a basic feature mf
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that's the joke
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meow
5:54 AM
my recommendations are like 70% this now
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Copilot As an AI language model, I don’t hold opinions or biases
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mariodoubt
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windows copilot is so bad
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ngl
5:59 AM
github copilot is the best use for llms i have found yet and its still not Great™️
5:59 AM
just fine
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it's more hand-holdy and safe than the average pokemon game
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which is pretty good, better than what we had before (nothing)
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exio4
github copilot is the best use for llms i have found yet and its still not Great™️
Can you ask it to convert my i3config to a hyprland config lol?
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Cooking a preserved critter from the Paleozoic era found in a bog is quite an intriguing challenge! While I don’t have a specific recipe for Paleozoic creatures, let’s explore some fascinating aspects of fossilization and preservation
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Remember, this playful recipe is purely imaginative. In reality, we leave Paleozoic critters undisturbed for scientific study and admiration.
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wack, i'm really hungry
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Samueru
Can you ask it to convert my i3config to a hyprland config lol?
you can do that, but ideally it works best as an autocomplete, write the i3 config then do /* hyprland config version */ starts of it
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and it completes, but it has to be on the training data
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otherwise, you should feed it the documentation
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exio4
you can do that, but ideally it works best as an autocomplete, write the i3 config then do /* hyprland config version */ starts of it
https://pastebin.com/Dz4bhdvj I don't have the copilot thing, I just wanna see how good it is with that
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
6:06 AM
The bing ai just lies very badly lol
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Samueru
https://pastebin.com/Dz4bhdvj I don't have the copilot thing, I just wanna see how good it is with that
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
That's my i3 window manager configuration and translating all of that to work with hyprland would be too much for me
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kek didn't do shit
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kek
6:14 AM
yeah, it kinda just gaslights you and hopes you just leave
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Samueru
https://pastebin.com/Dz4bhdvj I don't have the copilot thing, I just wanna see how good it is with that
did u try giving it documentation
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exio4
did u try giving it documentation
Should I just give it the link to it or tell it to look it up?
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inb4 the documentation is a discord link (edited)
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JUst gave it the link to the hyprland wiki
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lmao the same thing
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Samueru
JUst gave it the link to the hyprland wiki
no, copy paste the whole documentation as prompt
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ideally markdown
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exio4
no, copy paste the whole documentation as prompt
I would have to pay for that, there's a limit on how much text I can put lol
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yea now you get why llms are shit
6:23 AM
👍
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just compress the text and use the dictionary as prompt
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🧠
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downloading codellama-13B-instruct at Q6_k
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rn
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send me the file with the prompt, be it: all relevant documentation for both formats input format english text describing what to do
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i dont have access to gpt4
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using spotlight to check how long this app without a remainder will take to download the file
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meow
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exio4
send me the file with the prompt, be it: all relevant documentation for both formats input format english text describing what to do
The file is this pastebin link: https://pastebin.com/Dz4bhdvj Prompt: Convert/translate this i3 window manager configuration to work with the hyprland window manager. Hyprland documentation: https://wiki.hyprland.org/
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
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exio4
using spotlight to check how long this app without a remainder will take to download the file
i just use my head
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Egdarska
i just use my head
bro has a computer on his pocket and doesn't use it
6:27 AM
smh
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Samueru
The file is this pastebin link: https://pastebin.com/Dz4bhdvj Prompt: Convert/translate this i3 window manager configuration to work with the hyprland window manager. Hyprland documentation: https://wiki.hyprland.org/
alright
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also, >comma
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im argentine
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discustang
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u truly are american
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wut
6:28 AM
mexico uses periods too
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does mexico use 110v?
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it's just erupeans and european wannabes that use the comma
6:29 AM
and india, but they're special
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want to know if mexicans are also america's bitch in that regard
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smh
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exio4
yea now you get why llms are shit
Brave also has a mixtral AI that was able to convert the non posix compliant shell script that bing told me to use bash for, but this one is even more limited, I get like 3 tries per day lol
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Samueru
Brave also has a mixtral AI that was able to convert the non posix compliant shell script that bing told me to use bash for, but this one is even more limited, I get like 3 tries per day lol
mixtral is good but their context size is only 32k
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it's 127V smug
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Egdarska
it's 127V smug
typical
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Egdarska
it's 127V smug
Indeed
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Samueru
Brave also has a mixtral AI that was able to convert the non posix compliant shell script that bing told me to use bash for, but this one is even more limited, I get like 3 tries per day lol
do you have the hyprland documentation in uh
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abriged format
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just a single markdown
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codellama has a 100k context, i dont think i can run it tho
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but yeah, mexico got its electric grid thanks to uh, some guy who really liked americans and their technology
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he advanced the country a lot
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might have been a bit of a dictator
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cool dude tho
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usual one tbh
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If you wonder why 127V, it is because the 3 phase voltage of 127 is 220V. In the USA they instead use 120/208V, the 208V can be a problem for imported appliances that need 220V, which is more common in latin america.
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caused a war, good times
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i didnt know anybody but the americans used 110v until i talked with a friend from venezuela years back
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exio4
do you have the hyprland documentation in uh
unfortunately I don't
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i thought it was just like metric
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americans = weird world = normal
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but apparently americans got to spread their voltage before it was contained
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exio4
americans = weird world = normal
sounds like someone hasn't tried fried ice cream
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exio4
i didnt know anybody but the americans used 110v until i talked with a friend from venezuela years back
It is only the countries that had heavy american influence during the 1940s that are 120V
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Phillipines was also 120V but they moved to 220V
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they still use the same plugs though
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Samueru
It is only the countries that had heavy american influence during the 1940s that are 120V
uh
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argentina:
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there's whole states in mexico where older people can convert imperial in their heads because of the railways
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Brazil has both voltages
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because it was all imperial because america
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then colombia and venezuela are 120V
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i mean mexico is basically an american colony
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venezuela was too until like 25 years ago
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lol
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wait, a bit further back
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nvm, 25 is pretty on point
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exio4
venezuela was too until like 25 years ago
We still have the influence
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We now use the usd as currency
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probably not by choice
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now its just because chavez fucked up and maduro is milei tier in delusions
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ain't no country doing well ever said "we should just change to dollars for fun"
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Egdarska
ain't no country doing well ever said "we should just change to dollars for fun"
We officially haven't yet
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but that's just the reality
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so like mexican border cities lol
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milei wants to do it here but like
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our currency is a mess but it still does everything currencies do
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i dont get it
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stores don't want the funny monopoly money, they want the green bills
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Egdarska
stores don't want the funny monopoly money, they want the green bills
This pretty much, also even the politicians keep their money outside in usd lol
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our bills are kinda cool tho
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except for that kunt in the 20
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the new ones have animals
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Egdarska
the new ones have animals
We also sort of did that to some bills
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apparently there was a shortage of 50 peso bills because people just kept them
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because of the axolotl
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i keep a bill of the cute animals too
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didn't even see the axototl until you said it lol
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our pesos are worthless so losing 1000 pesos is like
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$1
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literally
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funny animal on bill tho
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germany moment
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just uh
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don't keep going
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too late bro
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rip
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we just had milei go to the trump convention
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Egdarska
germany moment
We normally just remove zeros from the current
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to talk about the evils of socialism
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We have done it 3 times already since 2008
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we haven't removed 0s since the 90s
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first it was 3 zeros out
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then 5 zeros out
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Samueru
We have done it 3 times already since 2008
mexico did that too in the 80s
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and now 6 zeros out
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or early 90s i forget, i think 1991
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argentina did it inthe 70s, 80s, 80s, 90s 👍
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kek
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i'm not even kidding lmao
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So a bolivar from 2008 is worth like 0.000000000000009 usd today lol
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exio4
we just had milei go to the trump convention
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seen today in san diego lol
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Samueru
So a bolivar from 2008 is worth like 0.000000000000009 usd today lol
I counted the zeros btw
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he ain't doing good now btw
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
i have seen signs like these but with just MILEI on them
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its deranged
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Samueru
I counted the zeros btw
i remember that
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our currency was struggling but did mostly fine until 2015
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doesn't zimbabwe still hold the world recor tho?
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when the center-right guy fucked up
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the idea seemed sane, let's vibe it out and the economy will grow
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Egdarska
doesn't zimbabwe still hold the world recor tho?
The hold the record for the highest number bill
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We would hold it if we didn't remove the zeros
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but then he loved debt too much and our debt went to like 300% of our gdp
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do not trust the right wing with the credit card
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exio4
but then he loved debt too much and our debt went to like 300% of our gdp
those are rookie numbers
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aight, re8 finished downloading
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i miss having decent internet
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Egdarska
those are rookie numbers
this is foreign debt, we can't just print our way out of it like americans
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This is a list of countries by external debt: it is the total public and private debt owed to nonresidents repayable in internationally accepted currencies, goods or services, where the public debt is the money or credit owed by any level of government, from central to local, and the private debt the money or credit owed by private households or...
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bruh github still requires an account to download artifacts
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fucking why
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Argentinas foreing debt is about 6000 usd per capita
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Spain is 34000 kek
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it's so fucking stupid because it's just the download, you can use https://nightly.link/ to download
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it's just a pointless limitation
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exio4
Argentina's numbers are fudged
Nah, argentina's got potential
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Samueru
Argentinas foreing debt is about 6000 usd per capita
our GDP in nominal terms is very fake, because it is mostly internal market related - dollars are VERY scarce
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it's very high in purchasing power because the ~peronists~ kept the local industry growing at the expense of competitiveness, so jobs were OK, etc etc - but USDs were basically being forced out of anything that generated them to keep select industry running & pay debt
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Ours is 3500 usd per capita we already dollarized kek, though that data is from 2019
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it's very high in purchasing power because the ~peronists~ kept the local industry growing at the expense of competitiveness, so jobs were OK, etc etc - but USDs were basically being forced out of anything that generated them to keep select industry running & pay debt
this is the biggest reason you can't just open the economy, almost all of the growth of the last 20 years was domestic
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you're basically resetting the economy back 20 years, which is after the 90s recession
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so
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exio4
this is the biggest reason you can't just open the economy, almost all of the growth of the last 20 years was domestic
Just open it what's the worse that could happen anyway
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back to the 70s or so would be more correct
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Samueru
Just open it what's the worse that could happen anyway
A study has found more than 57% of Argentina's people are considered poor, the worst poverty level in 20 years.
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meow
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poverty levels were high before but a lot of welfare was in place to keep the basics going (healthcare was heavily subsidized, so even if not free, you got treatment/medication; seniors specially, etc)
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so you'd be poor, but you'd "make basic ends meet, paycheck to paycheck"
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now that's gone lol
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funny 👍
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BUT IT'S NOT REALLY FREE REEEE
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yeah bro the insurance companies really needed higher profits bro
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the first thing that happened as soon as the price controls on insurance were lifted was a 100% increase minimum
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wanna hear something funny?
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iirc some plans went up by 150-250%
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the "better" ones
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Egdarska
wanna hear something funny?
please tell me something funny so i forget im living in a wannabe cyberpunk dystopia
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accepting every claim to the state, even the expensive ones like hearing aids, is cheaper than trying to assess what's really "needed"
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sorry bro, it makes it worse
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"expensive ones like hearing aids"
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uhh, aren't hearing aids like.. not that expensive? in the grand scheme of things
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we just accept every claim our patients make and the state can technically deny them but they never do
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you get one of them and they basically vibe for a while, unlike shit like cancer treatments which is very high recurring costs
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depends, $4,000 for a device in one go is pretty expensive, because it's not like a surgery where the state only pays what it really costs
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that's just what the device costs the state too
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fair, over here the state still negotiates prices for that afaik?
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you do get reduced rates for buying in "bulk"
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but the most expensive devices are like $12,000 a pair
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yea the government gives you less "choice" of what hearing implants to buy
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but it's a "win-win", corporations get near-guaranteed profits, and people pay less
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yeah, you can't get the "nice" ones, but the ones we get are still around $4000-5000
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also with shit like grab bars and installing ramps in their homes
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it's cheaper to just send someone to assess the house and install them than try to have the state argue why they're not needed
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healthcare is also not something that should be seen as "cost effective" anyway
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not to mention they're gonna prevent future injuries which will be more expensive
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that's already a broken way to see it (edited)
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bruh, we're dealing with americans
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you have to put it in terms they can wrap their head around
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i mean it does make sense, how do we improve healthcare for the most people with a limited budget, that's the cost effective part
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not "is the old man in his 60s really in need of a machine to measure his blood sugar? we should make sure bro"
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the part i find funny is that "wasting money" is usually cheaper than the alternative
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yea i mean, healthcare is also funny on younger people
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because just treating random shit when you're 20, 30, 40, hell even 50 is just muuch cheaper than dealing with the aftermath when you're in your 60s, 70s, etc
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yeah
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we have a lot of people who got through their whole life never seeing a doctor and they think healthcare is not needed
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but then it all hits at once
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i abuse the shit out of my health insurance now ngl
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like my dad has a medication that he takes since his early 40s that is for improving calcium reception in his bones or something, it's literally a few bucks a month tops to produce because it's "a solved problem now", the people doing that from their early 30s when they notice their back hurts and get a checkup every 5 years kind of deal will actually be much better overall as they get older, need fewer surgeries, work more (capitalism go brr)
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etc
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Egdarska
i abuse the shit out of my health insurance now ngl
>abuse
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exio4
like my dad has a medication that he takes since his early 40s that is for improving calcium reception in his bones or something, it's literally a few bucks a month tops to produce because it's "a solved problem now", the people doing that from their early 30s when they notice their back hurts and get a checkup every 5 years kind of deal will actually be much better overall as they get older, need fewer surgeries, work more (capitalism go brr)
What med is that btw?
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you know what i mean
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Samueru
What med is that btw?
can't remember, it's one of the like 7 pills he has to vibe with everyday
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i just pay the $5 to see my doctor if i notice something funny and i'm not feeling lazy
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Isn't that just vitamin d lol?
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no, there's people who physically can't retain calcium
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i wish i remember which chemical it was, i dont remember cuz i only read it once like 2 years ago when we were adding together how many chemicals we were all taking cuz it was like damn modern medicine is wild we basically are chemically enhanced superhumans fr
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I actually googled it for a while and couldn't find anything kek
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it is the usual that for hypokalemia you need to increase the calcium intake, vitamin d, etc
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i think its calcium, might be something else, i just remember he had to get some tests and his bones were too weak for what they should be at his age
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yeah hes on a diet too
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but that's also because blood pressure is a thing lol
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Yeah just in case double check everything, because hyperkalemia is a much worse thing btw.
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nah, he gets checks up regularly
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i don't remember the specifics, it's not my body
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Also in latin america there's a tendency of medicines that are no longer on sell in the USA or Europe
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LIke there's an antiacid that's banned in the usa due to its potential of cancer that's still sold here
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which one?
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Raditanida iirc
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Or something like it
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La ranitidina (INN) es un antagonista H2, uno de los receptores de la histamina, que inhibe la producción de ácido gástrico (ácido estomacal), comúnmente era usado en el tratamiento de la úlcera péptica (PUD) y en el reflujo gastroesofágico (ERGE). Habitualmente se comercializaba con varios nombres, como la marca registrada Zantac, de Boehringe...
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>In September 2019, the probable carcinogen N-nitrosodimethylamine (NDMA) was discovered in ranitidine products from a number of manufacturers, resulting in recalls.[14][15][16][17] In April 2020, ranitidine was withdrawn from the United States market and suspended in the European Union and Australia due to these concerns.[18][19][20][11][21][22]
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december 2020
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we took longer i guess
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Oh Argentina removed it
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WE HAVENT HERE
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you are in venezuela
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lol
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argentina is usually normal in this regard
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we're usually a bit slower, but by like, a year tops
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this might change with the new government tho
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"free market" and all that
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Do they still sell daflon in there?
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it seems to be sold, what is it?
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but i've never seen it
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For "varices"
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no idea the name in english
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varicole veins iirc
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daflon >Daflon is not an FDA-approved medication, and therefore it cannot be advertised for treatment of diseases in the United States. Daflon is under preliminary research for its potential use in treating vein diseases,[5] or hemorrhoids.[6] It is sold as a drug in France,[7][8] Spain,[9] Malaysia[10][11] and Belgium.
Daflon is an oral micronized purified phlebotonic flavonoid fraction containing 90% diosmin and 10% hesperidin. It is manufactured by Laboratoires Servier and often used to treat or manage disorders of the blood vessels. Flavonoids are a type of phytochemical that have been associated with various effects on human health and are a component of m...
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lol
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same
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Samueru
no idea the name in english
meant to reply to
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varices, or varicose veins
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i assume if something is found they'll ban it like they ban random chemicals every once due to risk in a while
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governments dont usually ban shit as much as some people like to think
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exio4
governments dont usually ban shit as much as some people like to think
We didn't remove leaded gasoline until like 2006
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it's usually "there's a risk!" alarms sounds
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That's why I USE LINUX
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the US is the opposite
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It affected me
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this causes cancer! ok, please use less of it
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Samueru
We didn't remove leaded gasoline until like 2006
argentina was late too
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here's the maximum allowed per dose
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we had neoliberalism so uh
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free markets or something
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oh you went over? here's a fine that is less than 0.1% of your monthly profit
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don't do it again
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how do u say banned in spanish wtf
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Egdarska
this causes cancer! ok, please use less of it
Nah this is a bit true, too much toasted bread can be carcinogenic for example, dependes on the dose for everything
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exio4
how do u say banned in spanish wtf
baneado
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prohibido, i asked google lol
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baneado lol
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people use that word anyway it's fine
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I'm not kidding when I say baneado
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people also say kickeado
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it just reminds me too much of tuneado and makes me laugh
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>En 1991 la Agencia de Protección Ambiental (EPA), de los Estados Unidos, estableció que en niños los niveles mayores a diez microgramos de plomo por decilitro de sangre son peligrosos. Como medida de prevención primaria se prohibió el uso de este metal en diversos productos. En Argentina se eliminó de las naftas en 1996, y de las pinturas, en 2004.
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wait, '96? impressive
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i fucking hate this nvidia scam fr
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the leaded paint is why im a dumbass btw
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exio4
>En 1991 la Agencia de Protección Ambiental (EPA), de los Estados Unidos, estableció que en niños los niveles mayores a diez microgramos de plomo por decilitro de sangre son peligrosos. Como medida de prevención primaria se prohibió el uso de este metal en diversos productos. En Argentina se eliminó de las naftas en 1996, y de las pinturas, en 2004.
Yeah can't explain why exio is a mac shill
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oh nvm the paint lol
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kek
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the mac shill is an overrcorrection from my linux era
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exio4
the mac shill is an overrcorrection from my linux era
coping mechanism
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bro tasted foss and went full corpo
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i was using open-source only setups with fully self-compiled gentoo
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never again
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Egdarska
bro tasted foss and went full corpo
real
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Like those people that want anti gay laws and then turned out to be gay lol
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that's more denial tho
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everybody should be bisexual
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so i get to sleep with more people
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exio4
i was using open-source only setups with fully self-compiled gentoo
were you even able to compile the kernel in the atom laptop lol?
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Samueru
were you even able to compile the kernel in the atom laptop lol?
bro, i compiled Qt, KDE and Firefox.
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regularly.
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On that shit?!
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gigaChad
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Poor thing
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That's gotta be a type of abuse
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the CPU ran at 100% for whole months
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i am not kidding btw
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Nah the paint really got you good btw
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exio4
so i get to sleep with more people
no, if everyone's bisexual my chances go down to the negatives
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Egdarska
no, if everyone's bisexual my chances go down to the negatives
Noo
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hol up lemme see if i can find one of the first sculpts i made
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Samueru
Nah the paint really got you good btw
the laptop was actually pretty usable
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it booted in <20 seconds from power on to desktop
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What compile flags did you use? (this might trigger a ptsd episode sorry)
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it depends, for big stuff I just used -O2, but for small apps I benchmarked whatever I could throw at them
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was -Osize even a thing back then?
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Not even -O3?!
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exio4
was -Osize even a thing back then?
I think you mean -Ofast
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Samueru
Not even -O3?!
What kind of gentoo user is that?!?!
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-Ofast was a thing, but Os I can't remember if it was later
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I did use -march=native etc tho
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True gentoo user then
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-funroll-all-loops?
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no, unrolling is worse for memory usage & caches too
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exio4
no, unrolling is worse for memory usage & caches too
Oh look at that lol
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You didn't get to play with random segfaults lol
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That's why Exio doesn't user gentoo anymore, he knows his stuff
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i made this when i was learning blender on the old shitbox
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the one with nvidia integrated graphics and amd athlon ii whatever
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
I thought that was a response to what I said about exio lol
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would you believe it was hell?
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that thing took like 40 minutes to render lol
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Egdarska
that thing took like 40 minutes to render lol
rookie numbers
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i bet if i had the file it would be done in seconds
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Samueru
That's why Exio doesn't user gentoo anymore, he knows his stuff
i learned about cpu architecture this way
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exio4
i learned about cpu architecture this way
Do you know about transparent hugepages?
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That's something that benefits intel more than amd iirc
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i assume thats 64 bit stuff
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intel atom was 32 bit and in otdee
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order
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i also undervolted it
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i was clinically insane
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there's stuff here i forgot about
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exio4
i was clinically insane
undervolting makes sense though
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specially if you will toast the thing for months lol
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i did it for efficiency
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of course
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exio4
i did it for efficiency
truer words have never been said before
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i'm gonna enable turbo just for that
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it never clicked to you that downloading the already compiled kernel would be more efficient kek?
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Samueru
it never clicked to you that downloading the already compiled kernel would be more efficient kek?
no, because i needed a memory efficient kernel, i only had 1GB and 75-100 MB were reserved for the boot process
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i had the basic services on the initramfs
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Is it actually true that you save memory that way? Last time I checked you saved something like 20 mb iirc
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for faster boot
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the laptop has 1gb total
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Samueru
Is it actually true that you save memory that way? Last time I checked you saved something like 20 mb iirc
And this is today, I imagine before it would be less
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exio4
for faster boot
I imagine you had the dash shell
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it wasn’t big but i literally compiled shit on the initramfs with a custom libc, can’t remember much rm
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rn
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to save memory
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i was chasing 2% gains
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Debian switched to dash when they still used a lot of shell scripts for the init, it actually sped up the boot times
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today with systemd I don't think it makes a difference now though
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this is what i was using back then
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exio4
i was chasing 2% gains
Like a true gentoo user
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i don't remember what shell i used
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My first pc had a 775 celeron
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what was busybox's shell?
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exio4
what was busybox's shell?
busybox I think it is an alternative to the gnome core utils
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gnu but yes
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gnome lol I mean gnu
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holy shit I said something very horrible
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Stallman would kill me
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what is the app that you could use to create busybox images
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from scratch
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I don't know lol
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There is also now musl as an alternative to glibc
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Samueru
gnome lol I mean gnu
kek 2
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@Samueru i used buildroot for a lot of the initramfs iirc
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i basically built an embedded linux for the networking setup and a bunch of daemons
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today people just use mkinitcpio, which is a shell script iirc
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and some losers use dracut
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oh you don't get it? i am autistic i went custom because it was fun to suffer
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this was a hacky mess
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every system update was a struggle because like 50% of the boot process was custom
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Nah, during that time that was normal either way
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has linux improved tho
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now you fight wayland
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exio4
has linux improved tho
depends on who you ask
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some people say that systemd is the devil
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I've found it to boot faster than the alternatives
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i thought it was the devil too
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because it broke my scripts
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Samueru
Nah, during that time that was normal either way
i got news for you bro
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Egdarska
i got news for you bro
I'm waiting lol
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Looks like egdarska got stuck booting their openrc lol
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I don't get it lol
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i undervolted this btw
kek 1
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bruh could count the cycles with a metronome (edited)
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exio4
i thought it was the devil too
Although journald is the devil
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that shit was writting 100mb of logs on my ssd ever hour
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>100 MB of logs
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i do 100GB a day
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kek
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and this is without pushing the system
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also @exio4 i was going to post this but got distracted
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exio4
>100 MB of logs
The issue is that shit was unnecessary
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one is native with taa, the other is dlss
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if you ssd can't take a few hundred gigabytes a week ur getting scammed
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can you guess which is which?
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let me check
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exio4
if you ssd can't take a few hundred gigabytes a week ur getting scammed
hey don't say much that you have a soldered ssd kek
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only 3% of gamers can get this right!
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Samueru
hey don't say much that you have a soldered ssd kek
the 2013 macbook i used before had TBs written a week and it's still kicking hard
7:57 AM
it lost software support before the 256GB ssd died (it hasn't died)
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Egdarska
can you guess which is which?
the one with higher framerates
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My current ssd has 7TB written, which is insanely high given that it is only 3 months old lol
7:58 AM
Like I that checks out to like 80 GB per day
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exio4
the one with higher framerates
(so, right?)
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lel
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exio4
it lost software support before the 256GB ssd died (it hasn't died)
wanna see the smartctl report
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the 2013 mac? it's got a broken magsafe port, so i don't really turn it on nowadays, i don't even know where its magsafe charger is
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i can't believe the taa is still this broken (edited)
7:59 AM
those pillars look fucked up
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let me check this m*c
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also i forgot to set lod bias lol
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Data Units Read: 55,478,979 [28.4 TB] Data Units Written: 34,349,817 [17.5 TB]
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How old is it?
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11 months
8:01 AM
but 32GB of RAM
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I was doing more writes than you lol
8:01 AM
I did 7TB in 3 months somehow
8:01 AM
I was doing stupid benchmarks constantly lol
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nah, I mean, I got most of the writes early too
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Like you remember those zip vs zstd benchmarks I did?
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when I had 16gb of ram on my desktop, I also did 10TB in a few months
8:01 AM
yeah
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holy shit I used to do stuff like that every few days lmao
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i thought it would be more
8:02 AM
derp cursor
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bro ur cursed is covering that
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just noticed lmao
8:02 AM
it's 1640
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16940?
8:02 AM
nice
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oh wait that's the c drive
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Samueru
holy shit I used to do stuff like that every few days lmao
sometimes i go hard on swap
8:02 AM
like when i was doing some shit that needed >40GB of RAM
8:03 AM
so it'd be swapping at 120MB/s constantly lol
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let me guess, ai.
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that's more like it
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this is the game drive
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@Samueru
8:03 AM
tell me which hyprland pages are the ones
8:03 AM
I should feed to the llm
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let me check wait a sec
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jsut tell me the .md files, but keep it a bit tight cuz i dont have that much memory
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md files?
8:04 AM
Like I'm on the wiki right now
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yes, they're md files, i downloaded the files off github (edited)
8:04 AM
(base) exio4•programming/hyprland-wiki/pages(main)» ls Configuring Crashes and Bugs Getting Started Hypr Ecosystem Nix Plugins Contributing and Debugging FAQ Home.md IPC Nvidia Useful Utilities
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Do they have the same names as the titles of each sub article?
8:05 AM
Ah yes
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Start configuring, Variables, keywords, monitors, binds, dispatchers, window rules, workspace rules, animations, using hyprctl (this is really important), and uncommon tips and tricks should be enough.
8:07 AM
get rid of animations though
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Egdarska
that's more like it
How old is it? That's the amount of writes I did to a 3 month old ssd lol
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Samueru
Start configuring, Variables, keywords, monitors, binds, dispatchers, window rules, workspace rules, animations, using hyprctl (this is really important), and uncommon tips and tricks should be enough.
can you list me the page names?
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Those are the names
8:08 AM
All of that is under configuring hyprland lol
8:09 AM
I see it is only one now
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./Configuring/Configuring-Hyprland.md ./Configuring/Variables.md ./Configuring/Keywords.md ./Configuring/Monitors.md ./Configuring/Binds.md ./Configuring/Dispatchers.md ./Configuring/Workspace-Rules.md ./Configuring/Using-hyprctl.md ./Configuring/Uncommon-tips-&-tricks.md
8:09 AM
this ok
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Yessir
8:12 AM
How is it going? (I have no idea about this)
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(it's running)
8:13 AM
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poor ssd
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nah, i'm using mistral-7b rn
8:14 AM
I am going past the context size though
8:14 AM
it'll be shit lol
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Brave uses Mixtral 8x7B, what's the difference?
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Mixtral 8x7B is a MoE (mixture of experts) of eight 7 billion models, so it's "8 times the parameter count", but it's not really like that, it's more that they have multiple versions that can vibe with each other
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And yours is?
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it's still running lol
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Samueru
And yours is?
Mistral-7B, the same model
8:16 AM
but I'm also using a Q4 version
8:16 AM
only 32GB of RAM pls
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exio4
it's still running lol
shouldn't have taken this long?
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and using GPU, so 22 ish GB of VRAM available
8:16 AM
it's doing something one sec
8:16 AM
it's a shit result tho
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Samueru
How old is it? That's the amount of writes I did to a 3 month old ssd lol
it's less than i year i'd say
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Oh no
8:17 AM
It is telling me what to do instead of writing the config file lmao
8:17 AM
Damn computer does what I say and not what I want lol
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exio4
it's doing something one sec
lmao remove xfce4-terminal
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To convert this i3wm config file to a Hyprland config file, you'll need to make several changes: 1. Remove the `#!/usr/bin/env sh` line at the beginning as it is not needed in Hyprland. 2. Replace all instances of `exec --no-startup-id` with `exec`. 3. Replace all instances of `exec_always --no-startup-id` with `exec_always`. 4. Remove all instances of `--no-startup-id` from the commands executed by `exec` and `exec_always`. 5. Replace all instances of `i3-msg` with `hyprctl dispatch`. 6. Replace all instances of `dunstify` with `hyprctl notify`. 7. Remove all instances of `xfce4-terminal` as Hyprland has its own terminal emulator built in. 8. Remove all instances of `xrandr` and related commands as Hyprland handles monitor configuration differently. 9. Replace all instances of `workspace number X` with the corresponding workspace name or ID. 10. Replace all instances of `focus mode_toggle` with `focuswindow`. 11. Remove all instances of `for_window [class="..."] border 1pixel` as Hyprland does not support setting borders for individual windows using a config file. 12. Replace all instances of `bindsym $mod+keyname` with `bind = MOD,keyname,dispatcher,params`. 13. Remove all instances of `exec --no-startup-id` from the bind commands as it is not needed in Hyprland. 14. Replace all instances of `dunstctl history-pop` with `hyprctl dispatch dpms off`. 15. Replace all instances of `pgrep` and `killall` with `hyprctl clients -j | jq '.. | select(.class == "...") | .pid'`. 16. Replace all instances of `i3-msg "[class=..." focus` with `focuswindow [class="..."]`. 17. Remove all instances of `xfce4-popup-clipman`, `xfce4-screenshooter`, and `rofi` as Hyprland has its own clipboard manager and screenshot functionality built in. 18. Replace all instances of `mousepadfix` with `exec_always --no-startup-id "setxkbmap -layout us,latam -option 'grp:alt_shift_toggle'"`. 19. Remove all instances of `xfce4-terminal --title="..."`. 20. Replace all instances of `--disable-history` with an empty string in the rofi commands. 21. Replace all instances of `--monitor -1` with `--monitor DP-1` or the appropriate monitor name for your setup. 22. Remove all instances of `--show-icons` and replace them with `--no-icons` if you don't want icons displayed in the rofi menus. 23. Replace all instances of `--show` with an empty string if you don't want the rofi menus to appear immediately when called. Instead, use a bind command to call the rofi menu and then use another bind command or a dispatcher to handle the selected item. After making these changes, save the file as `hyprland.conf` in your `~/.config/hypr/` directory and restart Hyprland for the changes to take effect.
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Oh no
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lol
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i'm gonna try codellama, but if i disappear it's because the laptop ran out of RAM and macOS told me to fuck off
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i'm gonna disappear because i need to wake up in 7 hours
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oh right i can just partially offload the model nowadays
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take care
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Egdarska
i'm gonna disappear because i need to wake up in 7 hours
good night meow
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exio4
To convert this i3wm config file to a Hyprland config file, you'll need to make several changes: 1. Remove the `#!/usr/bin/env sh` line at the beginning as it is not needed in Hyprland. 2. Replace all instances of `exec --no-startup-id` with `exec`. 3. Replace all instances of `exec_always --no-startup-id` with `exec_always`. 4. Remove all instances of `--no-startup-id` from the commands executed by `exec` and `exec_always`. 5. Replace all instances of `i3-msg` with `hyprctl dispatch`. 6. Replace all instances of `dunstify` with `hyprctl notify`. 7. Remove all instances of `xfce4-terminal` as Hyprland has its own terminal emulator built in. 8. Remove all instances of `xrandr` and related commands as Hyprland handles monitor configuration differently. 9. Replace all instances of `workspace number X` with the corresponding workspace name or ID. 10. Replace all instances of `focus mode_toggle` with `focuswindow`. 11. Remove all instances of `for_window [class="..."] border 1pixel` as Hyprland does not support setting borders for individual windows using a config file. 12. Replace all instances of `bindsym $mod+keyname` with `bind = MOD,keyname,dispatcher,params`. 13. Remove all instances of `exec --no-startup-id` from the bind commands as it is not needed in Hyprland. 14. Replace all instances of `dunstctl history-pop` with `hyprctl dispatch dpms off`. 15. Replace all instances of `pgrep` and `killall` with `hyprctl clients -j | jq '.. | select(.class == "...") | .pid'`. 16. Replace all instances of `i3-msg "[class=..." focus` with `focuswindow [class="..."]`. 17. Remove all instances of `xfce4-popup-clipman`, `xfce4-screenshooter`, and `rofi` as Hyprland has its own clipboard manager and screenshot functionality built in. 18. Replace all instances of `mousepadfix` with `exec_always --no-startup-id "setxkbmap -layout us,latam -option 'grp:alt_shift_toggle'"`. 19. Remove all instances of `xfce4-terminal --title="..."`. 20. Replace all instances of `--disable-history` with an empty string in the rofi commands. 21. Replace all instances of `--monitor -1` with `--monitor DP-1` or the appropriate monitor name for your setup. 22. Remove all instances of `--show-icons` and replace them with `--no-icons` if you don't want icons displayed in the rofi menus. 23. Replace all instances of `--show` with an empty string if you don't want the rofi menus to appear immediately when called. Instead, use a bind command to call the rofi menu and then use another bind command or a dispatcher to handle the selected item. After making these changes, save the file as `hyprland.conf` in your `~/.config/hypr/` directory and restart Hyprland for the changes to take effect.
18. Replace all instances of mousepadfix with exec_always --no-startup-id "setxkbmap -layout us,latam -option 'grp:alt_shift_toggle'"
8:20 AM
MAKES NO REMOTE SENSE LMAO
8:20 AM
mousepadfix is something that fixes a bug on mousepad, has nothing todo with the keyboard lmao
8:21 AM
I'm trying to use thunar with devour, which is an application that hides the thunar window when I launch another application from thunar, in this case it is...
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i'll probably be back in like 40 minutes because i can't sleep lol
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theres a problem
8:21 AM
codellama's context size is 16k in the version i've got
8:21 AM
i need one with an expanded context size
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exio4
theres a problem
Looks like rust code to me
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Well, thanks a lot for the attempt exio, it really made my day lol
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if you find a coding llm that is <=13 billion and supports a context size of >32k
8:24 AM
hmu
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That is also rust to me
8:24 AM
13 billion is the parameter size (higher = better), context size is how much "it can keep in memory"
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Oh yeah, iirc brave also has a llama model
8:25 AM
how good is llama 2 13b?
8:26 AM
it is shit btw
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it's fine/meh, the context size is very limiting, but it's the base open model that a lot of things were built upon
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Mixtral is the really good one with shell scripts
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what's mixtral's context size? I haven't really tried running it cuz uh, I only have 32 gigs of RAM kek
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No idea, it is not a local model either
8:27 AM
It says that uses Mixtral 8x7B
8:27 AM
I don't know the text limit btw, haven't run into that
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i can't really run mixtral 8x7B with a reasonable context size 😦
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Also is this more gpu mem or ram heavy?
8:30 AM
Like I remember reading about stablediffusion needing lots of vram but very little about the ram itself
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it's memory capacity + memory bandwidth
8:31 AM
you can run it on a CPU
8:31 AM
it'll just be dogshit slow because you don't have GPU levels of bandwidth + AI throughput is mediocre on CPUs
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Like an igpu will be better than the cpu?
8:32 AM
I know the cpu will use more power
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Samueru
Like an igpu will be better than the cpu?
maybe, on the deck? sure - you get more bandwidth; on PC? I'm not sure
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Oh, interesting
8:34 AM
Well gotta hit the bed, take care exio
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good night @Samueru ❤️
10:37 AM
i am going to attempt a full refurb of that card actually one day here, just not today.
10:38 AM
in very horrendous shape, to the point where many would likely not even try, or consider it not even worth it.
10:38 AM
but, i have some ideas as long as i can get it physically working and reliable again first.
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@Egdarska for when you wake up 😘
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 2:35 PM
Those are the era of PowerMacs my college had in its computer lab. Is it a G3 or a G4? IIRC, they switched to the all Aluminum chassis before ditching PowerPC for Intel CPUs
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DeAthWisH00123 2/27/2024 2:56 PM
the rust on that DVI port good lord, how do you even get rust like that???
2:56 PM
probably chilling in some moist ass basement for a decade
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exio4
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Bruh
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Egdarska
Bruh
i knew u would appreciate it acegikHeart2
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>hates blurriness >Fxaa was good
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Egdarska
>hates blurriness >Fxaa was good
shimmering the way god intended
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 4:39 PM
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Both of these comments are cancerous
7:56 PM
FXAA and TAA are both 💀
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TAA can produce a better output, though
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GoldenX86_64 2/27/2024 8:07 PM
we should only allow studios to ship games out once a standardised TAA test is passed
8:08 PM
since that crap is here to stay, they better allow devs to implement it well
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GoldenX86_64
we should only allow studios to ship games out once a standardised TAA test is passed
Capcom in tears rn
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GoldenX86_64 2/27/2024 8:08 PM
kek
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It's amazing how the engine does pretty much everything amazingly
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But reflections and taa are trash
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REngine has the best character rendering of any engine
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Don't @ me
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GoldenX86_64 2/27/2024 8:10 PM
true that
8:10 PM
proving games can look nice without mandating path tracing
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Nah, re8 looks leagues better with rtgi (edited)
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🐺🐚 ĞĦ𝓍ŜᵗᶠÃᑕë 🐙🐊 2/27/2024 8:12 PM
REngine is relatively well optimized too
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True, but it's also very scalable, if they made mh rise look like dmc5 it probably would have been rough to run
8:14 PM
Kinda wish ghosts n goblins had re8 grafix ngl
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DeAthWisH00123
the rust on that DVI port good lord, how do you even get rust like that???
squanchy 🥗 2/27/2024 8:32 PM
Cat piss?
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 9:21 PM
So… my gpu needs 3x8 pin pci-e cables but the psu has just 2… Are those universal?
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 9:41 PM
Does your PSU have two cables with two 8-pin heads each? Or only one cable with two heads?
9:42 PM
Most modern ones I've seen have at least two VGA cables coming from the PSU, and each has two 8-pin heads. The newest ones also come with the new-fangled 12VHPWR cable that plants crave higher tier Nvidia cards need (edited)
9:42 PM
I may not be using all of the correct terminology, but hopefully those are useful questions. @Steven Vigo
9:43 PM
I'm guessing you're plugging 3 8-pins into one of the 12VHPWR adapters on an Nvidia GPU
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 10:11 PM
If anything happens to this place, I’m going to miss all of the stuff I learn from the hardware channel
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Steven Vigo
So… my gpu needs 3x8 pin pci-e cables but the psu has just 2… Are those universal?
DeAthWisH00123 2/27/2024 10:12 PM
well first off what brand, wattage, and config is your psu, as in modular, non-modular, or semi modular?
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Awesomeangotti 2/27/2024 10:21 PM
Slow mode is even in hardware
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 10:23 PM
Time to start communicating via reactions
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:28 PM
Gpu is a 4080 super fe, psu is a full modular 850w gold
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deadlybydsgn
Time to start communicating via reactions
livereaction
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Steven Vigo
Gpu is a 4080 super fe, psu is a full modular 850w gold
deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 10:28 PM
It doesn’t have two separate VGA cables? Use 3 8-pin plugs from the two cables into the adapter (edited)
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:29 PM
Yes, but the gpu needs 3 of them
10:30 PM
There’s an extra slot in the psu, but the third cable is not included
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 10:31 PM
You don’t need 3 separate cables. Just plug 3 total heads into the adapter
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Steven Vigo
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I haven't seen such bs in a while lol
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:37 PM
So you think Is safe to use pig-tail?
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Berhaps
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Yeah, you could even get away by pigtailing a single cable into 3, the 4080 draws like 300W
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Ah, still slowmode in my favorite channel 😔 Oh, global application (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 2/27/2024 10:42 PM
That’s probably CYA from the GPU manufacturer.
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:43 PM
Is worse to try a different brand cable? I have one from an old Corsair 750w
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Steven Vigo
Is worse to try a different brand cable? I have one from an old Corsair 750w
YES IT IS WORSE, MODULAR CABLES ARE NOT STANDARD
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:45 PM
Yeah, I heard that.
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Only do that if you can double check with a multimeter than the output voltage on each pin is the correct one.
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Bro really bout to burn his card and house
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:46 PM
Nah, I’m here to ask
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It is a common issue people have with frying their ssd/hdds, the modular cable can swap 12V and 5V around
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Samueru
Only do that if you can double check with a multimeter than the output voltage on each pin is the correct one.
aka don't do it
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Steven Vigo 2/27/2024 10:49 PM
Yes, not an option
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DeAthWisH00123 2/28/2024 12:41 AM
yeah thats some bullshit, just use 2 pci cables and daisy chain the 3rd connecter, also never ever EVER use power supply cables that didnt come with your power supply even within the same brand, if you do this you WILL destroy every component in your computer
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you will hear a weird sound for a split second, followed by some smoke, and almost 2000 dollars gone in an instant
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But for a split second it will be the fastest gpu in the world
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DeAthWisH00123
yeah thats some bullshit, just use 2 pci cables and daisy chain the 3rd connecter, also never ever EVER use power supply cables that didnt come with your power supply even within the same brand, if you do this you WILL destroy every component in your computer
It is also not like that, usually what gets fried is the ssd/hdd. For the gpu cable if the pinout is wrong what you would get is a dead short and the pc not turning on, may or may not fry the gpu at most.
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DeAthWisH00123 2/28/2024 12:46 AM
yeah maybe if you get lucky, ive definitely heard about multiple people frying their entire systems by using different psu cables, its never worth it regardless
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No that's not true lmao
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DeAthWisH00123 2/28/2024 12:53 AM
well, yes it actually is, while good high end name brand psu's will have more safety features and circuit protection, older cheaper, lower wattage psu's may not have these extra saftey features can definitely fry major hardware componets, not everyone has 850w platinum thor power supplies
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Bro, even the cheapest low end flyback psu has the basic protections, you cannot even bypass them as it is part of the feedback ic.
12:55 AM
And also this isn't about the protections, it is what happens when you miswire the pinout of the psu cables, you have a dead short circuit. Same way when you short your kitchen outlet doesn't mean that every single kitchen appliance will be damaged lol
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DeAthWisH00123 2/28/2024 12:57 AM
computer parts are much more delicate compared to kitchen appliences, thats not really a comparison lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 12:57 AM
say that to the smartfridge
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DeAthWisH00123 2/28/2024 12:58 AM
lol, a smartfridge is just a fridge with, a computer 🤯🤯🤯🤯
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No, they really aren't btw, you afci breaker is more delicate then your gpu to power fluctuations, and bro if you want I can even pull you the schematic of a moderm atx psu and explain how every little part works, as long as you are actually willing to learn that btw.
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 1:00 AM
Good luck with slow mode kek
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hahaha
1:06 AM
In fact the high usage for afci and gfci breakers is why the nec now requires surge protection in homes, not because of appliances, the issue is that those electronics devices use a simple capacitor dropper circuit to get the low voltage they need to operate, and that circuit basically has no regulation and makes it very sensitive to any fluctuation. So homes lost those basic protections over time and people weren't even aware.
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Egdarska
But reflections and taa are trash
reflections are funny
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@exio4 wtf i want a VII now
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u don't want one, they tend to kill themselves lol (the glue they use for the hbm randomly breaks or something, can't remember) (edited)
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exio4
u don't want one, they tend to kill themselves lol (the glue they use for the hbm randomly breaks or something, can't remember) (edited)
i thought that was just the people who bought them
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Egdarska
i thought that was just the people who bought them
no, its kinda double worse - the cards are already likely to die, and just opening them up basically guarantees its death
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Egdarska
lol, hey it runs alan wake 2 at 40fps https://youtu.be/MkjKvNGaN24?t=52
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 3:06 AM
it's better than the 1080 Ti 🤯
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Egdarska
lol, hey it runs alan wake 2 at 40fps https://youtu.be/MkjKvNGaN24?t=52
funny
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I just want one for the looks
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radeon VII does look sick ngl
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i do like things that look like air conditioners
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Egdarska
i do like things that look like air conditioners
What does the 295X2 look like to you?
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Samueru
What does the 295X2 look like to you?
a mistake
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lmao
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Egdarska
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"mesh shaders", with air quotes, i love it
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Samueru
What does the 295X2 look like to you?
looks kinda cool, space odyssey vibes
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I miss the days of the dual chip cards though, when the 295X2 release it was the highest power hog ever until the 4090 released.
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i still think the OG titan is one of the coolest looking gpus
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/7930/the-amd-radeon-r9-295x2-review this? it looks ugly imo (also, 4090 is technically lower TDP at stock, 450W vs 500W, 3090 is lower tdp too) (edited)
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/7930/the-amd-radeon-r9-295x2-review this? it looks ugly imo (also, 4090 is technically lower TDP at stock, 450W vs 500W, 3090 is lower tdp too) (edited)
you like apple products tho, your opinion doesn't count
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Oh I was under the impression that the 4090 was more power hungry, most be the spikes it can draw. (It also looks ugly to me lol) (edited)
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Egdarska
you like apple products tho, your opinion doesn't count
give me this instead smh
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i hate slow mode, can't spam with thoughts as they come to my mind @Samueru 4090 is better on spikes than the 3090 in that regard, ada is a general improvement @Egdarska https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ093AM/A/radeon-pro-w6800x-duo-mpx-module you have a point, they do look better when Apple does it ^ also, dual GPUs existed in the Apple world until recently @Samueru
To push your graphics performance even further, choose the Radeon Pro W6800X Duo MPX Module, which is ideal for even the most demanding multi-GPU pro applications. The module has two W6800X GPUs, each with 32GB of GDDR6 memory delivering up to 512GB/s memory bandwidth. The two GPUs are connected onboard with Infinity Fabric Link, and two W6800X ...
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i love how this mf looks
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exio4
i hate slow mode, can't spam with thoughts as they come to my mind @Samueru 4090 is better on spikes than the 3090 in that regard, ada is a general improvement @Egdarska https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ093AM/A/radeon-pro-w6800x-duo-mpx-module you have a point, they do look better when Apple does it ^ also, dual GPUs existed in the Apple world until recently @Samueru
That's a monster lol
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Egdarska
i love how this mf looks
thats the most "im a gamer trust me" look they could have possibly put together lol
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yeah, it's completely unnecessary
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Samueru
That's a monster lol
lower tdp cuz its for workstation stuff, not g*mer
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Omg did you see the box art of the new amd gpu? that shit is cringe with the AI stuff
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YUZU-EMU.ORG provides detailed instructions 1 and FAQs on how to install Yuzu and get it running with unlawful copies of Nintendo Switch games. lmao if only lying in legal documents was illegal (edited)
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Samueru
Omg did you see the box art of the new amd gpu? that shit is cringe with the AI stuff
>"AI quickset" >can't run ROCm on Windows >ROCm crashes if you look at it too hard >it doesn't even have proper matrix units
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It is AI but without the I
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Samueru
Omg did you see the box art of the new amd gpu? that shit is cringe with the AI stuff
>AI >can't do most ai shit
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YUZU-EMU.ORG provides detailed instructions 1 and FAQs on how to install Yuzu and get it running with unlawful copies of Nintendo Switch games. lmao if only lying in legal documents was illegal (edited)
truth bending, just in time for the avatar netflix show
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https://www.phoronix.com/review/aarch64-64k-kernel-perf tldr 15% performance improvement with hugepages
By default the AArch64 kernel on Ubuntu and other Linux distributions tend to default to a standard 4K page size but for newer AArch64 hardware especially in the server/HPC space, there can be great benefits to using a 64K page size.
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can't wait for lockpicking lawyer to be sued by master lock for circumventing their security in the locks he bought
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Samueru
https://www.phoronix.com/review/aarch64-64k-kernel-perf tldr 15% performance improvement with hugepages
that's a big uplift
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exio4
that's a big uplift
And windows 11 was already lagging badly on previous similar benchmarks, like never before there had been such difference. And now you also have that on top (had to edit because of the timeout lol) (edited)
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Given the interest in the AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX Linux performance and the benchmarks of Ubuntu Linux vs.
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Egdarska
can't wait for lockpicking lawyer to be sued by master lock for circumventing their security in the locks he bought
maybe they don't do it cuz lockpicking lawyer Jensenthumb @Samueru yeah, i mean, theres a reason linux is used for a lot of these workloads lol
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maybe they don't do it cuz lockpicking lawyer Jensenthumb @Samueru yeah, i mean, theres a reason linux is used for a lot of these workloads lol
It really wasn't that big like 10 years ago, linux even struggled when you had too many cores.
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what a chad os Imagine needing more than one core (edited)
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i am annoyed as heck by the slowmode i miss the good old days (yesterday night) when we shitpost in the middle of the night and talk about random tech
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nintendo ruins yet another thing
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i don't even know why hardware is slowed, most people discussing the recent developments just ignore it
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Gotta talk in realtime by editing the current message over and over now (I agree it makes sense to slow down for now) (edited)
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i think it makes sense to slow down all channels a bit just in case but yeah, #hardware is usually just were the nerds (us 🥺) talk lol and yes, 1 minute is tough (edited)
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1 minute tho
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my pizza is almost ready, i had to add reggianito cheese cuz i ran out of uhh, pizza cheese
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Make the slowdown 0 seconds for macos and linux users, that also fixes the problem of the possible spam due to the news since nobody using that will be spamming the server lol
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Samueru
Make the slowdown 0 seconds for macos and linux users, that also fixes the problem of the possible spam due to the news since nobody using that will be spamming the server lol
@Egdarska is on windows tho, and macos is like 3 regular people in the server whole server at best smh
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Edgarska can just install a linux wm in the meantime lol
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yeah i'll just download a hannah montana linux iso
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btw @Samueru what linux distro now is the DSL of today? you know, the tiny distro that is useless but runs on 32mb 2gb of ram? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux (edited)
Damn Small Linux (DSL) is a computer operating system for the x86 family of personal computers. It is free and open-source software under the terms of the GNU GPL and other free and open-source licenses. It was designed to run graphical user interface applications on older PC hardware, for example, machines with 486 and early Pentium microproces...
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DSL? Oh, that would be alpine (edited)
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But alpine is pain, it uses musl, busybox and no systemd
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dsl was a pain too it was like, overly tiny, so you had 0 libraries for anything 99% of the time lol what are the hardware requirements of alpine? realistic ones (edited)
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Also alpine is one of the few non GNU/Linux distros, it is just linux. (edited)
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dsl was a pain too it was like, overly tiny, so you had 0 libraries for anything 99% of the time lol what are the hardware requirements of alpine? realistic ones (edited)
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that's ignoring that you need a browser and all that, doesn't it?
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dsl was a pain too it was like, overly tiny, so you had 0 libraries for anything 99% of the time lol what are the hardware requirements of alpine? realistic ones (edited)
we made a tiny os, you just can't use shit
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that's ignoring that you need a browser and all that, doesn't it?
Yeah, void is also small, and I compared void to archlinux, the usage was like: Storage Void 3.5 GIB / Arch 5 GiB. IDLE RAM: Void 350 MB / Arch 600 MB. Void didn't even have killall installed by default lol
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(Arch booted faster than void though, pro of systemd-boot)
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i ate all my pizza, it's joever @Egdarska yes, that's the linux way, the fun is the packages we installed along the way Jensenthumb @Samueru that's quite a lot of RAM compared to the old days lol
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i ate all my pizza, it's joever @Egdarska yes, that's the linux way, the fun is the packages we installed along the way Jensenthumb @Samueru that's quite a lot of RAM compared to the old days lol
just install a program bro
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i ate all my pizza, it's joever @Egdarska yes, that's the linux way, the fun is the packages we installed along the way Jensenthumb @Samueru that's quite a lot of RAM compared to the old days lol
That was also on my full i3wm setup with kdeconnect, polybar, xfce4-clipman running in the background, and also the kernel caches a bit more ram when you have more available, the usage would not be the same if you only had 2GiB of ram total for example
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@Egdarska thats the funny, now you need a compiler, and the .so and the other libc, and when you least realize its joever @Samueru oh its including cache? then it's kinda misleading if cache counts then i've got 100% ram usage like 95% of the time lol (edited)
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speaking of ram, that athlon pc i mentioned yesterday was "vista ready" and had 2GB of ram before i upgraded it (edited)
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@Egdarska thats the funny, now you need a compiler, and the .so and the other libc, and when you least realize its joever @Samueru oh its including cache? then it's kinda misleading if cache counts then i've got 100% ram usage like 95% of the time lol (edited)
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Omg did you see the box art of the new amd gpu? that shit is cringe with the AI stuff
GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 4:02 AM
It's "for AI", but it's a $550 GPU with only 16GB of VRAM
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the ram is the least of its problems a 4GB gpu will beat it because it can at least attempt to run shit (edited)
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It's "for AI", but it's a $550 GPU with only 16GB of VRAM
it's slower than a 4060 kek (and the software stack is MIA) (edited)
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GoldenSun3DS
It's "for AI", but it's a $550 GPU with only 16GB of VRAM
Boy if you had issues getting arc to run stable diffusion I have some news about amd
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"it's not based of arch or debian, it's just based" i cannot, that fucking got me
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i still kinda want an intel gpu just for fun
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GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 4:05 AM
I now have RTX 4060 Ti 16GB that I bought on Amazon for $440 and I'm going to be buying a second
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 4:05 AM
Some of us are just born to suffer, I guess
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it's slower than a 4060 kek (and the software stack is MIA) (edited)
>best amd (edited)
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i still can't believe they had the gall to put a 900 on that
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i still kinda want an intel gpu just for fun
it suffers from linuxitis rn (run the intel branch, not the main branch, because they've been working on it non-stop for years 👍), but the hardware is promising, i'm very excited about their second gen, like - unironically getting a proper competitor in the GPU space, good encoders and all that also, smh, outdated, 4070 Super is the new king @deadlybydsgn what do u mean by suffer tho @GoldenSun3DS did you get rid of the arc gpu yet 👀
i still can't believe they had the gall to put a 900 on that
@Egdarska this isn't actually the price they wanted, it was supposed to be higher lol [if it hit the frequencies it was supposed to, it was gonna be an almost-4090 in raster performance]
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why is slowmode enabled, yall must have been bad (edited)
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it suffers from linuxitis rn (run the intel branch, not the main branch, because they've been working on it non-stop for years 👍), but the hardware is promising, i'm very excited about their second gen, like - unironically getting a proper competitor in the GPU space, good encoders and all that also, smh, outdated, 4070 Super is the new king @deadlybydsgn what do u mean by suffer tho @GoldenSun3DS did you get rid of the arc gpu yet 👀
i still can't believe they had the gall to put a 900 on that
@Egdarska this isn't actually the price they wanted, it was supposed to be higher lol [if it hit the frequencies it was supposed to, it was gonna be an almost-4090 in raster performance]
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 4:07 AM
I was just joking about golden buying another 4060ti 16gb. I get that he uses it for AI but we know it's a bad value for anybody else
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why is slowmode enabled, yall must have been bad (edited)
Exio went on a rant about macos the other day and that is why
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why is slowmode enabled, yall must have been bad (edited)
nintendo being little bitch babies again
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nintendo being little bitch babies again
wait what? how so
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Petracore
wait what? how so
nintendo is mad people want their games to be playable so they sued yuzu
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wait what? how so
deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 4:09 AM
You might want to sit down for this
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OH BOY i missed some stuff
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imagine releasing pokemon scarlet in the state it's in, charging $60 plus dlc for it, and thinking you're the victim
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I was just joking about golden buying another 4060ti 16gb. I get that he uses it for AI but we know it's a bad value for anybody else
@deadlybydsgn ever since NVIDIA/OEMs cut down the prices down to "low-mid 400s" it has been decent value, not great, but not bad either, it's better than all of AMD for RT, AI, etc
wait what? how so
@Petracore be careful out there, ninty ninjas are gonna steal ur organs
Exio went on a rant about macos the other day and that is why
@Samueru i wish it was this fr, it'd be so less anxiety inducing lol I'm gonna reply this way because slowmode sucks, but let's listen to an eurovision song in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwyefl6itpI
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I was just joking about golden buying another 4060ti 16gb. I get that he uses it for AI but we know it's a bad value for anybody else
@deadlybydsgn ever since NVIDIA/OEMs cut down the prices down to "low-mid 400s" it has been decent value, not great, but not bad either, it's better than all of AMD for RT, AI, etc
wait what? how so
@Petracore be careful out there, ninty ninjas are gonna steal ur organs
Exio went on a rant about macos the other day and that is why
@Samueru i wish it was this fr, it'd be so less anxiety inducing lol I'm gonna reply this way because slowmode sucks, but let's listen to an eurovision song in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwyefl6itpI
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that's a good yurovision song but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSsRZaa0wPo
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@Egdarska I didn't know nightwish had been in Eurovision, wtf that's hella neat
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:13 AM
imho, radeon can be a solid get if all you're going for is gaming, you dont care about drivers (a tinkerer or just a masochist), or blender, or ML, or RT in some cases. if you want somethin else, your default should be Nvidia. yes its a lot of stipulations for a radeon card to be justified, and i do agree that it should be better than it is now, but like, not everyone is buying a GPU for productivity, some just want to enjoy games, occasional driver bugs (and very occasional silicon issues) be damned. get what you prefer basically! just make sure to buy a product you prefer and not a brand you prefer, since in some cases it does make more sense to go for an Nvidia card over Radeon, even just for gaming performance.
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it suffers from linuxitis rn (run the intel branch, not the main branch, because they've been working on it non-stop for years 👍), but the hardware is promising, i'm very excited about their second gen, like - unironically getting a proper competitor in the GPU space, good encoders and all that also, smh, outdated, 4070 Super is the new king @deadlybydsgn what do u mean by suffer tho @GoldenSun3DS did you get rid of the arc gpu yet 👀
i still can't believe they had the gall to put a 900 on that
@Egdarska this isn't actually the price they wanted, it was supposed to be higher lol [if it hit the frequencies it was supposed to, it was gonna be an almost-4090 in raster performance]
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GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 4:13 AM
Sold the A770 16GB to a guy from Facebook Marketplace. @deadlybydsgn Yep, getting it for AI. LLMs specifically, which need LOTS of VRAM.
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I'm keeping mine, even though it's in a box.
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yeah bro, buy a shittier product and just deal with it lol
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@LukeTheVideoGamer the biggest issue on that regard is that we're living in a world where even image quality differs, etc if it's just playing "games", an Xbox Series S offers the best value, humiliating the whole PC market - with gamepass as a killer deal as well; you can find one for $200 or so at times - and it'll do so with more stability than anything else in the PC market from AMD basically @GoldenSun3DS neat you could make some cash on it meowPatPat how are you liking the 4060 Ti's software experience btw? i don't remember if i asked @OldManKain A770 16G? 4060 Ti 16G? i missed the convo i think meow (edited)
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My A770 16GB is chilling in a box, I was a day one adopter.
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@Egdarska I didn't know nightwish had been in Eurovision, wtf that's hella neat
they lost, but i really love that song
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My A770 16GB is chilling in a box, I was a day one adopter.
i'll give you a hundred bucks for it
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@OldManKain I'm jealous, I actually wanna pick an A380 at some point (assuming A770s disappear), just to have a way to test their software regularly :3 @Egdarska it's ok, they won our hearts @GoldenSun3DS i meant for AI stuff, if you've noticed any woes 😛 (edited)
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@LukeTheVideoGamer the biggest issue on that regard is that we're living in a world where even image quality differs, etc if it's just playing "games", an Xbox Series S offers the best value, humiliating the whole PC market - with gamepass as a killer deal as well; you can find one for $200 or so at times - and it'll do so with more stability than anything else in the PC market from AMD basically @GoldenSun3DS neat you could make some cash on it meowPatPat how are you liking the 4060 Ti's software experience btw? i don't remember if i asked @OldManKain A770 16G? 4060 Ti 16G? i missed the convo i think meow (edited)
GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 4:19 AM
Honestly, I haven't really been playing games much lately other than Mario Maker on my Switch. But the drivers are fine. I'm used to NVidia since I had a 1070 Ti awhile back.
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 4:20 AM
I want a newer GPU but don't play enough to justify it. Such is life. Returning the 4070Ti was the right call for me
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@LukeTheVideoGamer the biggest issue on that regard is that we're living in a world where even image quality differs, etc if it's just playing "games", an Xbox Series S offers the best value, humiliating the whole PC market - with gamepass as a killer deal as well; you can find one for $200 or so at times - and it'll do so with more stability than anything else in the PC market from AMD basically @GoldenSun3DS neat you could make some cash on it meowPatPat how are you liking the 4060 Ti's software experience btw? i don't remember if i asked @OldManKain A770 16G? 4060 Ti 16G? i missed the convo i think meow (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:20 AM
imho skill issue just dont use fsr lmao (this is a joke, its perfectly understandable to not like FSR or even XeSS DP4a, let alone to be stuck with it, but its also okay sometimes for people to try and prioritize native resolution gaming above all else, where image quality will be not too noticeably different between brands of cards, but regardless...)
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@OldManKain I'm jealous, I actually wanna pick an A380 at some point (assuming A770s disappear), just to have a way to test their software regularly :3 @Egdarska it's ok, they won our hearts @GoldenSun3DS i meant for AI stuff, if you've noticed any woes 😛 (edited)
how the fuck do intel names work for gpus? is it like 80 is the best of the shit tier?
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@Egdarska A = generation, Battlemage, Celestial first number = i3/i5/i7/(i9?) other numbers = performance within that tier
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imho skill issue just dont use fsr lmao (this is a joke, its perfectly understandable to not like FSR or even XeSS DP4a, let alone to be stuck with it, but its also okay sometimes for people to try and prioritize native resolution gaming above all else, where image quality will be not too noticeably different between brands of cards, but regardless...)
now try to find a modern game that actually has native resolution basically only thr G buffer will be full resolution and sometimes not even that
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how the fuck do intel names work for gpus? is it like 80 is the best of the shit tier?
First number is higher tier 80 is the highest tier for that tier. (edited)
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750 770 780 350 370 380 550 570 580. of course some were never released.
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how the fuck do intel names work for gpus? is it like 80 is the best of the shit tier?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:23 AM
okay so basically Intel ARC, that's the brand name. the letter at the front after "Intel ARC" is the architecture, or generation. A for Alchemist, B for Battlemage, so on. the number after that is the class, it follows their CPUs closely, 3 for low end, 5 for mid-range, and 7 for high-end (well, "high-end") and the two numbers after that denotes how much performance you should expect, basically another smaller tier. A770 is the "70-class" card in the high-end class of the Alchemist architecture.
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the 3 5 7 was to coincide with i3 i5 i7
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so it's like i thought then, that seems kinda confusing for the average buyer specially because they already have a 580 gpu, but it's mobile (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:24 AM
honestly its only a little more confusing than "GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super" or "Radeon RX 7900XTX"
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@OldManKain I'm jealous, I actually wanna pick an A380 at some point (assuming A770s disappear), just to have a way to test their software regularly :3 @Egdarska it's ok, they won our hearts @GoldenSun3DS i meant for AI stuff, if you've noticed any woes 😛 (edited)
Get a A580 instead, the difference in price is like 60 usd and it is a much better card
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:25 AM
good luck finding arc in argentina
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ngl the A580 is on my radar right now, just waiting to see how mesa is improving in the short term
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:27 AM
lemme check what's available in argie land
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between general chat checking
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@GoldenSun3DS i assume it's just working so well it's "irrelevant" (for AI specifically) @LukeTheVideoGamer repeating what @Egdarska said, native is dead crabrave @Samueru i'd get either the cheapest 6GB card, to try things, or the 16G card to try to get cool shit running on them for real @OldManKain can you ~confirm~ it? acegikMeow_with_power_eyes
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@GoldenSun3DS i assume it's just working so well it's "irrelevant" (for AI specifically) @LukeTheVideoGamer repeating what @Egdarska said, native is dead crabrave @Samueru i'd get either the cheapest 6GB card, to try things, or the 16G card to try to get cool shit running on them for real @OldManKain can you ~confirm~ it? acegikMeow_with_power_eyes
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:28 AM
native lives on in my heart~!!! 😭
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@GoldenSun3DS i assume it's just working so well it's "irrelevant" (for AI specifically) @LukeTheVideoGamer repeating what @Egdarska said, native is dead crabrave @Samueru i'd get either the cheapest 6GB card, to try things, or the 16G card to try to get cool shit running on them for real @OldManKain can you ~confirm~ it? acegikMeow_with_power_eyes
None of my ex co-workers at intel work in the gpu development department so probably not 😄 I usually just get something like "It's better than we expected"
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it works and we don't know why
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I have one ex co worker that likes to send me stuff like that all the time, "Man wait until you see such and such it's amazing" He's usually not wrong.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:31 AM
assuming other general efficiency improvements generation over generation, even if Battlemage doesnt perform significantly better over Alchemist, with these rumored specs, it should at least draw less power, but i'll believe it when i see it :p still, pretty exciting if true!
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@OldManKain dont tease me like that smh @LukeTheVideoGamer i wish there was a way to render everything natively today tbh
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I'm hoping intel can take that low-mid range market. tired of 1000.00 GPU's
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@OldManKain dont tease me like that smh @LukeTheVideoGamer i wish there was a way to render everything natively today tbh
cyberpunk psycho settings no dlss
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:33 AM
living that 10fps lifestyle 💪
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:33 AM
only 2 used a770 and a new a750 in argentina
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cyberpunk psycho settings no dlss
I'm happy with 72fps locked 1440p everything maxed DLSS Quality with path tracing on my 4070 TI.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:36 AM
for the games i usually play, all of which would perform great with the available native rendering options, an RX 6700 XT or even gasp a 7700 XT would perform pretty great! admittedly, most of those games are before 2020... or even 2019...
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@Egdarska no, the game uses variable rate shading [if available], DLAA disables it though but even then, a lot of effects are sub-native @OldManKain i see intel as on a clear path to take intel's place and be a healthy second competitor, the high-high-end? gonna be NVIDIA for a while, but damn, I've got hope for intel gpus, hope it isn't unfounded lol @GoldenX86_64 i'd order from overseas, and the a380 - it's like $280 or so for that one @LukeTheVideoGamer those will have dlss tho Noo
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:37 AM
does the a380 have RT?
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ah yeah it does
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like a 6400 but it has it
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@GoldenX86_64 all Arc does, i'd not be shocked if it outperforms the lower-end AMD gpus [when drivers don't misbehave] because their RT core has much more grunt meow (edited)
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I do find it funny if I choose performance cores only in CP2077 on my 12700KF I lose 10fps. (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:38 AM
they do indeed, i remember extrapolating the a380 numbers now and it was no joke even with early drivers
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The A580 already gives you 6600ish levels of performance with mesa, it is a 160 usd gpu
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keywords "with mesa"
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Very important word indeed lol
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@Egdarska no, the game uses variable rate shading [if available], DLAA disables it though but even then, a lot of effects are sub-native @OldManKain i see intel as on a clear path to take intel's place and be a healthy second competitor, the high-high-end? gonna be NVIDIA for a while, but damn, I've got hope for intel gpus, hope it isn't unfounded lol @GoldenX86_64 i'd order from overseas, and the a380 - it's like $280 or so for that one @LukeTheVideoGamer those will have dlss tho Noo
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:40 AM
surprisingly, i think the only games i have that would support DLSS are... Halo Infinite (does that even support DLSS? i forget.), Portal with RTX (unplayable on Radeon anyway, and i think it's mid anyway), Tekken 8 (but that's just the demo, i do hope to get the full game some day though, and it does have native res rendering for the record!), and Baldur's Gate 3.
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:40 AM
i don't trust anv, but that's still MILES better than the windows driver right now, that's amazing linux value
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Truthfully if you were going to fork out 180USD on a 580 I'd just get the 750 for 220.
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:41 AM
depends of the power budget too
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@GoldenX86_64 all Arc does, i'd not be shocked if it outperforms the lower-end AMD gpus [when drivers don't misbehave] because their RT core has much more grunt meow (edited)
battlemage hopes and dreams i sincerely hope it's good, at least on the hardware side
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I paid 350USD for my A770 16GB and you can get them for 290 now.
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Truthfully if you were going to fork out 180USD on a 580 I'd just get the 750 for 220.
I got a 580 for 50 usd
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@GoldenX86_64 this is also their first real attempt at RT, ngl what a way to start lol @OldManKain it's like the "SMT fix" for ryzen cpus, it's all a conspiracy made by redditors, the default had better frametimes lol @Samueru you lose XeSS tho Noo edit: he meant the A580 not RX 580 lol @LukeTheVideoGamer "native rendering is dead" is because deferred rendering has led to all games rendering effects at sub-native look at hair, it is gonna be dithered, look at screen space reflections, look at RT (i know. i know) all of these are extremely noisy and need temporal accumulation to get cleaned up edit: volumetrics are also funny (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:43 AM
still waiting for drivers it's not a full product until drivers are usable
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risked the iris xe and got burned, it's useless
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"the future is xe" and it's just a slightly faster gen9 for desktop use
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broken drivers can be fixed bad hardware can't be xdd
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exio4
@GoldenX86_64 this is also their first real attempt at RT, ngl what a way to start lol @OldManKain it's like the "SMT fix" for ryzen cpus, it's all a conspiracy made by redditors, the default had better frametimes lol @Samueru you lose XeSS tho Noo edit: he meant the A580 not RX 580 lol @LukeTheVideoGamer "native rendering is dead" is because deferred rendering has led to all games rendering effects at sub-native look at hair, it is gonna be dithered, look at screen space reflections, look at RT (i know. i know) all of these are extremely noisy and need temporal accumulation to get cleaned up edit: volumetrics are also funny (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:44 AM
that's understandable. those things dont really bother me that much admittedly though, but i guess im the outlier in that. if someone is actually bothered by, or does prefer better image quality, then yeah that's reason enough to get an Nvidia GPU over Radeon, but for me personally? not that big of a downside.
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LPhin
broken drivers can be fixed bad hardware can't be xdd
GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:44 AM
alchemist had both
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Arc drivers have gotten pretty good except on 2 games that I know of that should be getting around 50-60fps get 5-10 on an A770. Starfield, and GTA V.
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:44 AM
forza motorsport also doesn't work (i have to retest it) and vulkan is still useless
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OldManKain
Arc drivers have gotten pretty good except on 2 games that I know of that should be getting around 50-60fps get 5-10 on an A770. Starfield, and GTA V.
GTA V should run much better with mesa if it runs btw
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I give the driver team an A++ for a product so far in it's infancy.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
that's understandable. those things dont really bother me that much admittedly though, but i guess im the outlier in that. if someone is actually bothered by, or does prefer better image quality, then yeah that's reason enough to get an Nvidia GPU over Radeon, but for me personally? not that big of a downside.
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:46 AM
it's like, if i had a 3060, and i moved to a 7700 XT, the downsides in features, application support, and image quality wouldnt be enough reasons for me to move back to the 3060, let me put it that way. same if i moved from my 1650 to an A580, even buggy drivers wouldnt push me back towards this 1650.
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@GoldenX86_64 if we go by checking all the boxes, then it's either NVIDIA or NVIDIA then meow (but I know, raster rendering is important, and AMD has "a lead" there by lacking in everywhere else; e.g. encoders are better on Intel) you also get the early-Xe tho, it's legit alpha testing the beta test, it's very much RDNA1 vs RDNA2 moment @LukeTheVideoGamer that's the key tho, it doesn't bother almost anybody because TAA is a thing, and most people on PC use NVIDIA so they get DLSS lol
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exio4
@Egdarska no, the game uses variable rate shading [if available], DLAA disables it though but even then, a lot of effects are sub-native @OldManKain i see intel as on a clear path to take intel's place and be a healthy second competitor, the high-high-end? gonna be NVIDIA for a while, but damn, I've got hope for intel gpus, hope it isn't unfounded lol @GoldenX86_64 i'd order from overseas, and the a380 - it's like $280 or so for that one @LukeTheVideoGamer those will have dlss tho Noo
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:47 AM
iris xe is 3 cpu generations old by now
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Speaking of TAA why is Forza Horizon 5 the only game that has it implemented decently that I've played.
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doom has good taa but yeah generally most TAA implementations are so bad that somehow FSR2 is a better TAA (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:49 AM
good question
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FH5's TAA is kinda wack, it performs weirdly to me, and on deck I don't really gain performance with upscaling (even FSR2), just lower power consumption - and on my desktop I also didn't gain performance w/ DLSS yes, I always upscale, fite me edit: DLAA is nice but something like XeSS Ultra quality is a good middle ground, it's nearly native but it is slightly lower resolution so it doesn't feel as demanding (edited)
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I do like DLAA.
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doom has good taa but yeah generally most TAA implementations are so bad that somehow FSR2 is a better TAA (edited)
fsr2 isn't a bad taa, the problem it has is it's competing with dlss. In a vacuum, fsr2 is pretty great for being a generic taa (edited)
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@Egdarska or something like xess dp4a/xmx, or TSR for unreal games lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-RoPmzJ0sw youtube just recommended this song after the slo-mo one, and is this fucking upscaler with FSR1? it looks like they put 7 sharpening filters on it
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too bad xess and TSR aren't open source godot had to implement FSR2 because of this (edited)
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Egdarska
fsr2 isn't a bad taa, the problem it has is it's competing with dlss. In a vacuum, fsr2 is pretty great for being a generic taa (edited)
I think the main problem with fsr2 is people over sharpen it too much to give it that baked look edit same with FSR. (edited)
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XeSS was gonna be open-source, one day... 🙏 can't Godot implement Streamline tho
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 4:56 AM
intel moment, says they will open source, forget
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OldManKain
I think the main problem with fsr2 is people over sharpen it too much to give it that baked look edit same with FSR. (edited)
FSR2 is very bad at the things TAA is "meant to be good at", like foliage, shimmering is hell of an issue on it
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XeSS is pretty damn good, can't wait for EX XeSS.
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frame reprojection, frame extrapolation, all of these techniques really hype me up for the future we truly need to tell native rendering to fuck off once for all, and just embrace it the way VR has done
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exio4
@Egdarska or something like xess dp4a/xmx, or TSR for unreal games lol
uh, i just realized i hadn't properly applied the lod bias to the game before, so the comparison is more brutal now i'm not even going to label them (edited)
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Egdarska
uh, i just realized i hadn't properly applied the lod bias to the game before, so the comparison is more brutal now i'm not even going to label them (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 4:59 AM
"im not even going to label them" damn i am actually lost with this comparison :( ah well, i can at least make some guesses. not gonna say them tho cuz i dont wanna look like even more of an idiot
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this is dlss applied as a janky mod btw
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in Virtual Reality, all frames are technically fake; and Meta has been working on game-aware spacewarp/frame doubling for a while https://developer.oculus.com/blog/introducing-application-spacewarp/ (the latest one, already shipping in games) this is 🔥 @Egdarska bro no fucking way you're also doing DLSS Balanced or what? cuz of the frames lol (edited)
Application SpaceWarp (AppSW) is a developer-driven optimization technology that can unlock extra computation power for suitable content. In our initial testing, Application SpaceWarp gave applications up to 70 percent additional compute, potentially with little to no perceptible artifacts.
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in Virtual Reality, all frames are technically fake; and Meta has been working on game-aware spacewarp/frame doubling for a while https://developer.oculus.com/blog/introducing-application-spacewarp/ (the latest one, already shipping in games) this is 🔥 @Egdarska bro no fucking way you're also doing DLSS Balanced or what? cuz of the frames lol (edited)
dlss quality, that's with RT
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exio4
XeSS was gonna be open-source, one day... 🙏 can't Godot implement Streamline tho
their current rendering pipeline isn't really compatible with extensions, so that's off the table for now also, they can't really ship xess or dlss blobs with the engine, because that's against their whole thing of being open source and xess hasn't implemented streamline support anyways
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oh, I see, RT makes the delta bigger fair yeah, streamline is kinda dead cuz intel also dropped out of it 😦 but i wish they open-sourced xess dp4a at least, it's too good fr
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:04 AM
don't worry, microsoft is coming with their own
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on an API level
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introducing copilot SS
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i thought of the wrong SS right there
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:05 AM
bet you that's why SR is more used
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exio4
i thought of the wrong SS right there
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thought of my funny uncle fr
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you also have an uncle who seems normal until someone mentions the juden? i think we all have that uncle tbf (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:08 AM
the great dictator is one of the best movies of all time, and that's as far as this discussion goes
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i was gonna say i'm sure that's not an argentina only thing in fact, it's like infinity stones you get to collect uncles that seem normal until X is mentioned
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GoldenX86_64
the great dictator is one of the best movies of all time, and that's as far as this discussion goes
there's also su excelencia, more cold war oriented but same message
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im getting old or something because i see that people from uni are getting married, with multiple kids; cousins have kids im only gonna be 27 soon wtf
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all my mates are either married or divorced lol
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i'm already 25 and i'm already seeing it happen
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:12 AM
imagine me at 33
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all my college friends having wives and such makes me uncomfortable xd
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Younglings everywhere.
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:12 AM
calm down, anakin
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im not kid young but im 100% not old enough to have kids lol
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i'm not old enough to be in charge of myself tbh
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i'm in east asia where marrying in your early twenties is considered "normal" (edited)
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getting a lot of pressure from my parents to go find a gf and make them some grandkids rn
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:16 AM
tell them you're an ace to shut them up
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God I just realized my daughter turns 28 this year.
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dang, yall oldies
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nuh-uh, only like 5% of my hair is gray
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OldManKain
God I just realized my daughter turns 28 this year.
this sentence scares me your daughter is older than i am
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Tfw OldManKain really is an old man
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Egdarska
i'm not old enough to be in charge of myself tbh
i'll never be i didn't sign up for this shit
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Petracore
Tfw OldManKain really is an old man
his name didn't lie
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exio4
this sentence scares me your daughter is older than i am
this is why it sucks to like older women, you meet their kids and they're in their 20s
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Egdarska
this is why it sucks to like older women, you meet their kids and they're in their 20s
you seemed like the type to be into cougars
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__fastcall
his name didn't lie
I learned what ur name means the other day (edited)
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Petracore
I learned what ur name means the other day (edited)
lets goooo
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what special meaning does it have
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__fastcall
you seemed like the type to be into cougars
at this point there isn't even that much difference between the women i like and my age, it just hasn't changed since i was in my 20s
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exio4
what special meaning does it have
smthn about passing arguments to functions into registers (i forgot already) (edited)
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oh, i thought u meant something else like an actual slang word if its just nerd shit thats obvious, @__fastcall is a nerd (edited)
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Petracore
smthn about passing arguments to functions into registers (i forgot already) (edited)
calling convention, get back to studying
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I thought they were into using -Ofast for everything lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:26 AM
-O3 and risk it
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no its for just a different way to call a function as a potential optimization thing, i just thought there was like, something deeper here like maybe "fast call" meant a quickie in canada or something
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lmao
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exio4
no its for just a different way to call a function as a potential optimization thing, i just thought there was like, something deeper here like maybe "fast call" meant a quickie in canada or something
it will if you come to canada
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:27 AM
eh
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pro tip don't ask for a toothy goose in canada
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@__fastcall go through puberty first @GoldenX86_64 shit code gonna break smh
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but no this is just a name that genius 14 year old me picked truly insane (edited)
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14 year old and knowing about call conventions when did u get ur diagnosis 🙏
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so last month?
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exio4
14 year old and knowing about call conventions when did u get ur diagnosis 🙏
im getting double teamed with slowmode rn @exio4 never 🙏 @Egdarska the last time I fucked ur mom
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so you're the one from the voice message, i thought she was being stalked by spongebob
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its 2:30 am im tired but not eepy i woke up a few hours back
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Time only counts from the moment you wake up, if it was 4 hours ago then it's still midday
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i've been insanely time-shifted, it's wild like living on australian time or something (edited)
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exio4
i've been insanely time-shifted, it's wild like living on australian time or something (edited)
That's usually a sing of depression btw
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Samueru
That's usually a sing of depression btw
do they stack? i've already got that going before
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I wanna make a joke but id probably get warned or smthn kek
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Samueru
That's usually a sing of depression btw
Got any more revelations for the class?
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Egdarska
Got any more revelations for the class?
Also difficulty getting the day started, example: Lie on bed for a while after waking up (edited)
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>read paper >2080 Ti listed as supporting BF16 smh
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:49 AM
well it does kek
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"CPU-i7" you know how little that narrows it down?!
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:50 AM
why snapdragon gets the model but not intel
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Yes i have an i7 and nvidia grafix
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Samueru
"CPU-i7" you know how little that narrows it down?!
laptop i7 btw
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:53 AM
so a dual core sandy
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That barely helps
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It's a dell
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Also I'm assuming that the battery is the same voltage in the mAH comparison right?
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 5:55 AM
worse, dual core nehalem
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its a shit graph
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exio4
its a shit graph
I sure hope they didn't compare the mAh in a phone (single cell) vs laptop (3 to 4s)
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but its "smaller model is more efficient" which ok good, but also doesn't tell you much and cpu utilization? where do they run it? did the 685 run it on the gpu? does it support 4-bit there even?
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That reminds me, i have an old laptop with an amd a4 apu in it that needs fixing, might throw an ssd in it and watch it go
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"watch it go" the same as "watches paint dry" (edited)
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Egdarska
That reminds me, i have an old laptop with an amd a4 apu in it that needs fixing, might throw an ssd in it and watch it go
Better give it to mango and get some cheap used laptop with a better cpu lol
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Lol, the old laptop i kept was basically just for when people came over with kids, so they can watch youtube and shut up
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Like that cpu likely cannot even download a file at more than 200mbps
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And when they inevitably break it it's not a loss
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:02 AM
those a4s were the pinacle of wasted sand
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Also, i only bought it off an acquaintance for $30 because i needed the dvd burner for a different device that it fit
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i actually wish i could get an acer aspire one d250 again, just for nostalgic reasons (blue btw) (edited)
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exio4
i actually wish i could get an acer aspire one d250 again, just for nostalgic reasons (blue btw) (edited)
Get the cheapest chromebook and build the kernel again with gentoo lol
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Samueru
Get the cheapest chromebook and build the kernel again with gentoo lol
no, i'd ideally want to mod an M1 air into it tbh
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exio4
i actually wish i could get an acer aspire one d250 again, just for nostalgic reasons (blue btw) (edited)
wow, that looks acer as fuck
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i don't mind bezels but that thing is a bezel with a screen in the middle
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I might get some 30 usd used chromebook to play with it with linux lol
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Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 6:10 AM
INTEL ATOM!
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that reminds me i asked my friend if i could buy her old surface off her and she'll just give it to me, but i feel bad even if it's ewaste
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:10 AM
the OG e-core
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Awesomeangotti
INTEL ATOM!
Which he undervolted btw
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:11 AM
that shit was SO GODDAMN BAD
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it's the surface that had milk spilled on it which can be seen through the screen, and it's missing a corner of the glass and you can see the insides, it's a surface from 2013, but i don't know the exact model
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@Samueru no need to kinkshame, undervolting is valid 🙏 @GoldenX86_64 it was slower than my AMD duron desktop from a decade prior lol (but it was portable tho)
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i don't know how it still works, the trackpad is crunchy
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:13 AM
the original macbook air too
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at least they were actually affordable
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exio4
@Samueru no need to kinkshame, undervolting is valid 🙏 @GoldenX86_64 it was slower than my AMD duron desktop from a decade prior lol (but it was portable tho)
Sorry it is that I lost it when you pointed out that the cpu alraedy had a 3W tdp yesterday lol (edited)
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@Samueru no need to kinkshame, undervolting is valid 🙏 @GoldenX86_64 it was slower than my AMD duron desktop from a decade prior lol (but it was portable tho)
Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 6:13 AM
How much heat can i reduce for the same airflow in my alienware jankbox for undervolting
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Samueru
Sorry it is that I lost it when you pointed out that the cpu alraedy had a 3W tdp yesterday lol (edited)
GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:13 AM
and a 20w chipset
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alienware 😬
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:14 AM
the 950 series northbridge it had hold the memory controller and igpu, used more power than the atom cores
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Egdarska
alienware 😬
Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 6:14 AM
I live in a world of pain
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:14 AM
and that gpu couldn't decode anything besides mpeg
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the 950 series northbridge it had hold the memory controller and igpu, used more power than the atom cores
Oh insane, didn't know that
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-One-D250-Mininotebook.17823.0.html
It plays even H.264 videos at 853x354 resolution smoothly.
this is such BS, you could play 720p30 if you wanted lol (you just needed to have a hand-tuned version of ffmpeg, and leverage both threads of the single core, while having no desktop environment and a raw window manager) @GoldenX86_64 the og air wasnt an atom tho? @Samueru ikr
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:15 AM
the og browsing only laptop with capped specs and performance
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so the proto air, without soldered specs
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LIke I'm pretty sure that a low end smartphone from that time could play videos better lol
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-One-D250-Mininotebook.17823.0.html
It plays even H.264 videos at 853x354 resolution smoothly.
this is such BS, you could play 720p30 if you wanted lol (you just needed to have a hand-tuned version of ffmpeg, and leverage both threads of the single core, while having no desktop environment and a raw window manager) @GoldenX86_64 the og air wasnt an atom tho? @Samueru ikr
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linux mfs be like
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:16 AM
they did kek
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at the time you bought atoms with an nvidia igpu to get video decoding
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the geforce 9400 was available in some rare eppic netbooks (edited)
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the og browsing only laptop with capped specs and performance
you mean the https://apple-history.com/mb_mid_07 core 2 duo one? im confused rn @Samueru Intel Atom N270 is from 2007 or 2008, i can't remember, just fwiw
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LIke I'm pretty sure that a low end smartphone from that time could play videos better lol
remember the days of looking for video players with the correct decoder for android? mx player my beloved
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you mean the https://apple-history.com/mb_mid_07 core 2 duo one? im confused rn @Samueru Intel Atom N270 is from 2007 or 2008, i can't remember, just fwiw
Oh I was thinking it was from 2012, then nah, the smartphone couldn't at that time.
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:18 AM
intel: "let's release a CPU that can only display fixed images just right as the internet is evolving into video content"
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Egdarska
remember the days of looking for video players with the correct decoder for android? mx player my beloved
Actually I don't remember, and my first smartphone was a galaxy young btw
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:19 AM
h264 hardware decoding was mandatory on android 2 and later iirc
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Oh I was thinking it was from 2012, then nah, the smartphone couldn't at that time.
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The Samsung Galaxy Young is a low-end 32-bit Android smartphone by Samsung Electronics which was released in March 2013. Like all other Samsung Galaxy smartphones, the Galaxy Young runs on the Android mobile operating system. The phone features a 3.27 inch TFT LCD touchscreen. The phone has Dual SIM capabilities depending on the model. Many ...
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watch it, exio will want one
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:20 AM
when dual sim meant half the battery size kek
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:21 AM
had a browser
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_(original) does this even have hardware decoders of anything
The Samsung GT-I7500 Galaxy is a smartphone manufactured by Samsung that uses the open source Android operating system. It was announced on 27 April 2009 and was released on 29 June 2009 as the first Samsung Mobile device to use the Android operating system introduced in the HTC Dream (marketed as the T-Mobile G1), and the first in what would b...
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had a browser
it was basically a samsung galaxy phone, minus the phone, it had full access to the store
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:22 AM
so a 4 inches tablet
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Egdarska
i had one of these shitty things instead of an ipod touch https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-player-4-0-review/
Looks a lot like the galaxy ace:
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yeah, it was just an ipod touch for non-apple users. I mostly used it to listen to music
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so a 4 inches tablet
4 inches tablet lol
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also, the price was shit lol, i only bought it because it was heavily discounted because no one wanted one At the full $230 it was stupid, at $90 it was pretty alright
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isnt it funny how computing has advanced to the point we no longer measure if media playback is an issue
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isnt it funny how computing has advanced to the point we no longer measure if media playback is an issue
I still have amd though
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:26 AM
me too
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we're talking about non-meme hardware
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I feel like from 2008 to 2011 there was an insane boost on cpu speeds, we went from core 2 quads to sandy bridge
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intel had a glow up after the disaster that was netburst
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btw @exio4 did you know steve from gamersnexus used an fx 8370 as daily driver until like 2021? as a challenge? (edited)
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Like everything prior sandy is just ewaste at this point.
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btw @exio4 did you know steve from gamersnexus used an fx 8370 as daily driver until like 2021? as a challenge? (edited)
2021? you mean 2023? i thought he just barely used it at home, so it was a “meme challenge”
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but still, it's what he used to game most of the time for a while though aside from the heat it probably performed ok until recently (edited)
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I forgot the 8370 even existed
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:32 AM
don't forget the 9000 series FX
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the first 5ghz CPUs
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no, forget it
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:32 AM
what was the TDP?
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GoldenX86_64
the first 5ghz CPUs
you mean 8GHz :^)
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GoldenX86_64
don't forget the 9000 series FX
I know the FX9590 because I know somebody that put it on a cheap ass gigabyte motherboard that didn't support that tdp lol
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:33 AM
good old am3, no tdp standard there were literally 65w only boards on sale
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250W iirc, like the 14900KS
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:34 AM
for 4 cores
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Samueru
I know the FX9590 because I know somebody that put it on a cheap ass gigabyte motherboard that didn't support that tdp lol
And as far as I know the motherboard never died lol
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GoldenX86_64
for 4 cores
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the power consumption on the intel cpus is cringe because everybody tests it uncapped, it would be meh otherwise; amd did a cringe next gen too iirc
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imagine quad fx with 9590s
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Egdarska
imagine quad fx with 9590s
Current intel xeons are not that far off lol
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quad fx 9590 with sli gtx 480
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:37 AM
2000w
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15 fps in cyberpunk
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I only know fermi was an oven, when I got into PCs it was during kepler, I remember the 650 ti boost
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:38 AM
dpes cp77 even have an sli profile?
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Samueru
I only know fermi was an oven, when I got into PCs it was during kepler, I remember the 650 ti boost
Then a while after nvidia surprised everyone with the 750 TI, first maxwell card, super efficient and only needed the slot power
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i don’t think so
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does it have a dx11 version?
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:40 AM
i'm keeping my 750ti, it's a museum piece
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Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 6:40 AM
Will my 1070 become a museum piece? Response: :0 (edited)
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it already is
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750 ti was a trooper fr
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Like AMD most have realized they were in big trouble when that card dropped.
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i also really like the 1050 ti / 1060, fuck off exio
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:43 AM
mid end pascal was the last time we got decent nvidia hardware
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nah,the hardware is mostly fine, it's just the price that is shit mostly fine: needs more ram (edited)
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Egdarska
i also really like the 1050 ti / 1060, fuck off exio
thats fine lol, i just hate the delusion they arent borderline retro nowadays
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 6:49 AM
what do you mean maxwell v3 is old
6:49 AM
it came out yesterday!
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I would still be using my 1060 if it wasn't for the 3GB of vram
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 6:54 AM
Should've gotten 6GB 1060 in the first place
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goldmastersimulations
Should've gotten 6GB 1060 in the first place
When I bought it 2017 no game used that much vram, it was after the pandemic where vram usage went insane even for indie games lol
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Samueru
When I bought it 2017 no game used that much vram, it was after the pandemic where vram usage went insane even for indie games lol
goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 6:55 AM
Titanfall 2 was released in 2016 had 8GB streaming budget at max settings. Uses 6-7GB VRAM for me at 1600p max.
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Like beamng is uses 7 GB of vram on medium settings, that's a game that has been in development since 2013 iirc lol
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i’m thinking of going to the park and play something on my deck
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goldmastersimulations
Titanfall 2 was released in 2016 had 8GB streaming budget at max settings. Uses 6-7GB VRAM for me at 1600p max.
It never occurred to me that it would get this to the point that a game would not even work on low settings
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i got an 8 gb gpu cuz i wanted vram for ai models, im sad nvidia didnt upsell me to a 16 gb 2080
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Like I knew at the time that the 7970 aged better than the 680 due to the extra gig of vram, but at that time the 680 was very much playable on every game, sure maybe not max settings but it was, this shit that happened now is new lol (edited)
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 7:04 AM
Armored Core 6 doesn't need 8GB VRAM for max and looks good lmao What you can do when you actually care about optimization (edited)
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AC6 is actually optimized?
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exio4
AC6 is actually optimized?
AC6 belongs to ace combat 6 edit: both games even have fires in their name lol (edited)
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 7:07 AM
That is what I heard from other people on the Lenovo Legion server when they tried it at least And yeah, Ace Combat 6 was amazing. Xenia finally integrated the terrain fix too! They should bring its gameplay style back for Ace Combat 8 especially the flight model plus PSM. (edited)
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i’m gonna play some cyberpunk in the park, my coping mechanism (edited)
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goldmastersimulations
That is what I heard from other people on the Lenovo Legion server when they tried it at least And yeah, Ace Combat 6 was amazing. Xenia finally integrated the terrain fix too! They should bring its gameplay style back for Ace Combat 8 especially the flight model plus PSM. (edited)
Yeah I loved the big battles of AC6
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exio4
AC6 is actually optimized?
it's very simple
7:09 AM
basically a 7th gen game with some modern effects, not even modern lighting because it's fromsoft it has RT in the menu tho (edited)
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yea thats why i ask if its optimized or just older
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 7:10 AM
Came out in 2023
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the game is new, the tech is ancient, again it's a fromsoft game
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exio4
thats fine lol, i just hate the delusion they arent borderline retro nowadays
You calling my beloved 1060 retro? >:C
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goldmastersimulations
Came out in 2023
from software years, i expect them to quite behind in tech, releasing a very fast windows XP app in 2023 is also new but outdated
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Egdarska
the game is new, the tech is ancient, again it's a fromsoft game
Ace combat 7 had something similar, the game is well optimized when it launched, but that is because the engine is ancient (it is the same from ace combat assault horizon like from 2011 lol).
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Samueru
Ace combat 7 had something similar, the game is well optimized when it launched, but that is because the engine is ancient (it is the same from ace combat assault horizon like from 2011 lol).
wut, ace combat 7 is ue4
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Samueru
Ace combat 7 had something similar, the game is well optimized when it launched, but that is because the engine is ancient (it is the same from ace combat assault horizon like from 2011 lol).
goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 7:13 AM
Assault Horizon is in-house. Infinity was the last Ace Combat that's in-house. 7 is UE4.
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Egdarska
wut, ace combat 7 is ue4
omg no way, like it uses the same animations and all from AC:AH kek
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but yeah, ac7 runs pretty well because there isn't much there aside from the planes, you can extend foliage distance to like 10x and still run almost the same
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I really was thinking that it was the same engine lol
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 7:15 AM
Ace Combat 7 managed to look better than War Thunder before 2.0 versions in some ways despite not being that demanding. (edited)
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ue4 does most of the work
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 7:16 AM
But nowadays, War Thunder looks better overall since the 2.0 updates
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lol they haven't fixed the ace combat 7 pcgw page
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xess my beloved
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Samueru
I really was thinking that it was the same engine lol
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>enabling taa causes menu to shake >r.TemporalAACurrentFrameWeight=0.2 no shit bro, you turned it into a rave
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i've been noticing a lot of stupid shit like this in pcgw lately, usually "fixes" posted on steam forums (edited)
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what kind of fixes
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people using variables that don't exist in that version of the engine, dumb settings like that one, config edits that don't actually do anything but they never tested them
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for those of you here talking about the Legal Thing look at the connectix vs sony legal Battle, Connectix and Bleem Both won their legal battles because of 1 thing, and lets hear it folks, it's called, Having a Monopoly, which is illegal
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though devs still ship unity games using the deferred renderer and anti aliasing 2x/4x/8x, so it's not just a user thing
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Egdarska
though devs still ship unity games using the deferred renderer and anti aliasing 2x/4x/8x, so it's not just a user thing
what
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exio4
what
MSAA doesn't work when using deferred rendering in unity devs just enable the msaa menu and don't even bother to check if it does anything (edited)
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oh msaa
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Hey guys, I hope this is the right chanel to ask..
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I'm eyeing for a notebook with arc 530m gpu, anyone using it here? And how's the compability with yuzu?
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I'm eyeing for a notebook with arc 530m gpu, anyone using it here? And how's the compability with yuzu?
don't!
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 8:14 AM
No good Intel Arc dGPU laptops exist
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Oh geez glad I asked first. The budget seems okay here (Indonesia) for 100% srgb low-mid gaming laptop
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goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 8:15 AM
14th gen Arc iGPU laptops and onwards have massive potential if Intel sorts out their iGPU driver game.
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And the low end amd laptops are not good either since those will likely be using vega graphics, and unless you are willing to use linux then don't either
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so, the real solution, cry in a corner until the market fixes itself (hopefully) upsidedown_cry 👍 (edited)
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14th gen Arc iGPU laptops and onwards have massive potential if Intel sorts out their iGPU driver game.
goldmastersimulations 2/28/2024 8:18 AM
2024 Lenovo Yoga Slim/Pro 9i with 14th gen is almost as quiet as MacBook Pro under load now
8:20 AM
Core Ultra HX in 15th gen laptops is gonna be very interesting (edited)
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so, the real solution, cry in a corner until the market fixes itself (hopefully) upsidedown_cry 👍 (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 8:26 AM
either the market, the GPUs themselves, or preferably both
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https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-reveal-first-ar-glasses-fall-connect-conference-2024-2 >try to check article >big popup covers the whole thing i love it
Meta's first "true" AR glasses, codenamed Orion, have been in the works for several years.
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amazing kek
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Samueru
amazing kek
what the heck lol
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exio4
what the heck lol
Yeah that's the kind of people where "just use linux" is indeed the right thing to say lol
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there's always angry comments when reviewers benchmark cyberpunk 2077 and say "amd is bad because nvidia, nobody plays that game" but it has like 30k peak players every day on steam charts starfield is like 7k [on steam], spiderman like 3k lol
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yeah thats some bullshit, just use 2 pci cables and daisy chain the 3rd connecter, also never ever EVER use power supply cables that didnt come with your power supply even within the same brand, if you do this you WILL destroy every component in your computer
Steven Vigo 2/28/2024 9:24 AM
Thanks, I’ll give a try at the daisy chain. Now I’m worried to add an extra cable even if it’s sent to me by the costumer care. Or maybe I could get a different psu from Amz and send back this one.
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amazing kek
The entitlement of some people is astonishing
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When I'm Playing games on the emulator my games are lagging an stuttering anyone have the settings I should use to keep a stable fps in my games
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 2:12 PM
That mostly depends on your hardware and Yuzu is very CPU dependent. You can drop a log or spell out your specs
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deadlybydsgn
That mostly depends on your hardware and Yuzu is very CPU dependent. You can drop a log or spell out your specs
squanchy 🥗 2/28/2024 3:12 PM
Yes but the CPU you need is like, a Ryzen 3600 or better. Maybe a 3500X would work too? I don't think Yuzu needs more than 6 threads. So right now, the floor is really low for suitable hardware. (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 3:12 PM
It doesn't and you're right, but people come in here all the time with really weak laptop CPUs. So, I usually ask. I played through 95% of Yuzu with an i7-6800K and it was honestly great. It was over 30fps the majority of the time and got a lot closer to 60 in the lighter areas. Some shrines were 60, some sparse outdoor areas were 45/50 (edited)
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MegaCharizardY72 2/28/2024 3:13 PM
I'm on a 2600X and honestly TotK is more than playable
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squanchy 🥗 2/28/2024 3:13 PM
Also depends on res and your GPU. I'd imagine I'm GPU-limited at 4K60 in TOTK? Wait no I'd be CPU limited. I have a 3950X and RTX 4070. (edited)
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MegaCharizardY72 2/28/2024 3:14 PM
VRAM more so I think
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 3:14 PM
My 8GB 2080 can do 4K60 fine (paired with the 7800X3D). That's a card from 2018. It is technically not an absolute "100% 60fps" with that CPU, but it's to such a nitpicky degree that I don't think anyone outside of extreme pixel peepers will notice (edited)
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My 8GB 2080 can do 4K60 fine (paired with the 7800X3D). That's a card from 2018. It is technically not an absolute "100% 60fps" with that CPU, but it's to such a nitpicky degree that I don't think anyone outside of extreme pixel peepers will notice (edited)
squanchy 🥗 2/28/2024 3:14 PM
With RTX On? PeepoNvidia
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 3:17 PM
A fully loaded Lookout Landing briefly blips down to like 57 or 58 while loading shaders and then sits at a solid 60fps while you spin around. While I can appreciate the hardware chase, if that's not good enough, I don't know that we're enjoying games anymore (edited)
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Also depends on res and your GPU. I'd imagine I'm GPU-limited at 4K60 in TOTK? Wait no I'd be CPU limited. I have a 3950X and RTX 4070. (edited)
rx580 8gb start to struggle with 3x gtx1650 start to struggle with 2x
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 3:19 PM
My 6GB 1060 on an older machine seems to struggle with it (even with compression on), but I haven't done more than load up the opening cave area (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 3:26 PM
In a very real way, chasing down extra performance on older hardware was part of the "game" for me in Yuzu. Now that I have the new CPU, it kind of feels like I "beat" it... (edited)
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Steven Vigo 2/28/2024 3:30 PM
True, making anything works on my 2600k was really part of the fun
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deadlybydsgn 2/28/2024 3:31 PM
When you realize the performance game is literally P2W uncomfortable
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rx580 8gb start to struggle with 3x gtx1650 start to struggle with 2x
squanchy 🥗 2/28/2024 3:38 PM
In other words, AMD is the best. PeepoAMD
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squanchy 🥗
In other words, AMD is the best. PeepoAMD
currently not using my rx580 bc I have no use for it mainly just doing computing stuff with my GPU and my gtx1650 does a better job at that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (edited)
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rx580 likely wins out of vram (for totk) not actual performance lol (edited)
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maybe but there is no 8gb gtx1650 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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yea i know, i just mean it because usually that's how amd gets any wins, nvidia gpus run out of vram, amd gpus have software bugs / etc
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I'll take my leave before you start doing Propaganda for some mafia companys again
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hello can i ask a question about modding a switch oled? i don't know if it's against the rules
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are there other switch oled chips available besides a modded chip ?
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exio4
yea i know, i just mean it because usually that's how amd gets any wins, nvidia gpus run out of vram, amd gpus have software bugs / etc
Forgot the hardware bugs
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Egdarska
Forgot the hardware bugs
i don't wanna be called a hater
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Luca
are there other switch oled chips available besides a modded chip ?
squanchy 🥗 2/28/2024 5:05 PM
Nice try, Mr Nintendo.
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Sorry it was a wrong question
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I have a relative in Romania who bought a second-hand Switch OLED, and it had parental controls enabled. As far as I know, you can't access parental controls without the parental code. So, they sent it to me to see what I can do. My parents spoke to someone who suggested that they could remove the Nintendo account if they changed some 'chip' (I'm not sure if this is accurate, as my parents just relayed this information to me). So, does Nintendo sell official replacement parts, or does moddifying the chip or adding a modded chip erase the existing data?
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I have a relative in Romania who bought a second-hand Switch OLED, and it had parental controls enabled. As far as I know, you can't access parental controls without the parental code. So, they sent it to me to see what I can do. My parents spoke to someone who suggested that they could remove the Nintendo account if they changed some 'chip' (I'm not sure if this is accurate, as my parents just relayed this information to me). So, does Nintendo sell official replacement parts, or does moddifying the chip or adding a modded chip erase the existing data?
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 5:22 PM
i mean you could just do a factory reset, assuming this also does not require parental controls to access. Go to Settings, then System, and scroll all the way down until you find "Formatting Options" (in your system's languages of course). Scroll down from there and press the big warning symbol'd "Initialise Console".
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It does require the parental code
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Alphonsokurukuchu 2/28/2024 5:54 PM
it would be quite stupid to allow factory reset without parental code
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exio4
i don't wanna be called a hater
They hated Him because He told the truth
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GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 6:41 PM
I got the refund on the 8GB 4060 Ti (that was listed on eBay as 16GB) and I've now ordered my second RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, from Amazon this time. Arriving tomorrow. I won't be buying on eBay again for GPU like this. I know that the previous GPU was at least functional in the PCIE Gen 3 X1 to X16 adaptor, so now I'll find out how much if any performance is lost from PCIE Gen 3 X1 bandwidth. Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 128GB DDR4 2800MHz CL16 RAM, dual RTX 4060 Ti 16GB. This is for running AI LLMs locally.
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Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 6:52 PM
You could totally game on that man
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GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 7:15 PM
Definitely not gaming across both GPUs if a game even supports it because of the PCIE bandwidth of X1
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Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 7:16 PM
Oh
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GoldenSun3DS
I got the refund on the 8GB 4060 Ti (that was listed on eBay as 16GB) and I've now ordered my second RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, from Amazon this time. Arriving tomorrow. I won't be buying on eBay again for GPU like this. I know that the previous GPU was at least functional in the PCIE Gen 3 X1 to X16 adaptor, so now I'll find out how much if any performance is lost from PCIE Gen 3 X1 bandwidth. Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 128GB DDR4 2800MHz CL16 RAM, dual RTX 4060 Ti 16GB. This is for running AI LLMs locally.
squanchy 🥗 2/28/2024 7:40 PM
Maybe they put 8GB of GDDR6 chips in the box?
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Also why 2800 CL16? Sadge
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Also why 2800 CL16? Sadge
GoldenSun3DS 2/28/2024 7:49 PM
It's 3000MHz RAM, but it was unstable at the speed. I increased RAM voltage from 1.35V to 1.45V and decreased RAM speed.
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 10:31 PM
Meanwhile powervr, vivante, etc
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One of the limitations of AMD's open-source Linux graphics driver has been the inability to implement HDMI 2.1+ functionality on the basis of legal requirements by the HDMI Forum
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 2/28/2024 10:31 PM
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 10:31 PM
Only displayport exist from now on
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/28/2024 10:49 PM
cool, more reason for me to not use rust!
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Bro doesn't know about aes encryption
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GoldenX86_64 2/28/2024 11:52 PM
meanwhile, 8gb vram users
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meanwhile, 8gb vram users
Awesomeangotti 2/28/2024 11:57 PM
Perhaps…
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 12:57 AM
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I have a relative in Romania who bought a second-hand Switch OLED, and it had parental controls enabled. As far as I know, you can't access parental controls without the parental code. So, they sent it to me to see what I can do. My parents spoke to someone who suggested that they could remove the Nintendo account if they changed some 'chip' (I'm not sure if this is accurate, as my parents just relayed this information to me). So, does Nintendo sell official replacement parts, or does moddifying the chip or adding a modded chip erase the existing data?
smb2j (real) 2/29/2024 1:00 AM
I’m pretty sure the person your parents talked to probably puts in a modchip and charges a lot of money for no reason
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meanwhile, 8gb vram users
GoldenSun3DS 2/29/2024 1:01 AM
For AI (LLMs), it's even worse. Even 16GB VRAM seems to be not great. The minimum to get started that's recommended in LLM Discord servers is a used RTX 3090 with 24GB VRAM.
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 1:01 AM
thanks to the ai bubble, gaming cards are trash
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GoldenSun3DS 2/29/2024 1:16 AM
Is it a bubble? I suspect in a year or 2 that we'll have dedicated AI accelerator hardware. There's already a thing called Groq that runs LLMs extremely fast, but its VRAM capacity is measured in hundreds of Megabytes (and costs like $10K or $20K each) and you need thousands of them to run a single large model, so it's more targeted at companies like ClosedAI OpenAI. https://youtu.be/pRUddK6sxDg?si=4ZlqGI00pQd2FZhq (edited)
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grok is the name of x's chatgpt wdym
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Is it a bubble? I suspect in a year or 2 that we'll have dedicated AI accelerator hardware. There's already a thing called Groq that runs LLMs extremely fast, but its VRAM capacity is measured in hundreds of Megabytes (and costs like $10K or $20K each) and you need thousands of them to run a single large model, so it's more targeted at companies like ClosedAI OpenAI. https://youtu.be/pRUddK6sxDg?si=4ZlqGI00pQd2FZhq (edited)
deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 2:47 AM
That's pretty much the only thing making me wonder if my 7800X3D is going to age poorly (like my last AMD CPU... the X2 4400)
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GoldenSun3DS 2/29/2024 2:49 AM
For LLMs, GPU VRAM matters way more than CPU. So supposing we get games that require LLMs for NPC chats, you'll be bottlenecked by GPU performance, not CPU performance.
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 2:50 AM
Not if I buy an Nvidia AIX 6800 kek (edited)
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takanome9104 2/29/2024 3:06 AM
bruh a cpu from 2006 , how long you want it to live with you + 7800x3d probable will be fine atleast for gaming
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PS/2 be like
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I should get a ps2 keyboard, mine has limitations like mod+shift+a is not registered, same for mod+shift+period, my "new" motherboard actually came with a PS/2 interface.
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GoldenSun3DS 2/29/2024 4:17 AM
Get with the times, man. It's all about the PS5 keyboards now.
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 4:22 AM
PS6 keyboards soon
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with haptic crashing, they vibrate the entire desktop when the kernel panics
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grok is the name of x's chatgpt wdym
elon stole them from other corpos lol
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Samueru
PS/2 be like
this is how it used to be, on modern systems it's all polling anyway (to reach the CPU)
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exio4
this is how it used to be, on modern systems it's all polling anyway (to reach the CPU)
What you mean modern PS/2 doesnt work like it used to?
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Samueru
What you mean modern PS/2 doesnt work like it used to?
on AMD & Intel CPUs - you basically a a super i/o controller that receives the interrupt and then the communication with the main chip is through polling
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 4:48 AM
if it goes over USB... kek
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on AMD & Intel CPUs - you basically a a super i/o controller that receives the interrupt and then the communication with the main chip is through polling
Oh so it means you could still lose the keyboard from working on new PCs even if you use PS/2?
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Oh so it means you could still lose the keyboard from working on new PCs even if you use PS/2?
usually they try to emulate old behavior iirc? this is how it works natively, but if you're on the 16-bit modes of CPUs you're basically in firmware land iirc (i'm dumb, don't quote me on this - i just remember learning this when i was checking how tf PS2 worked in the 2020s) (edited)
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I was under the impression that modern PS/2 ports still work like they used to, and iirc they are still used by overclockers because usb keyboards can give up on unstable systems.
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Like the kernel in linux has a mode that if you press certain key combinations, they PC will always reboot even if it completely locked up, but to guarantee that it will work it has to be over a PS/2 keyboard though.
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that's also related to USB is more finicky and complex of a protocol, PS/2 is more resilient out of being literal 80s technology over a modern bus - i assume meow i think the cpu technically still emulates the old functionality in lots of cases but it is no longer just interrupt based and the cpu stops right from the keyboard's input you have queues and a whole bunch of communication between chips to get to that point [kinda like if you ran 64-bit Windows DX12 games through XWayland on Apple Silicon, metaphorically speaking] (edited)
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Well only one way to find out I guess lol
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lol @ "not hot swappable"
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 5:15 AM
like a real chad
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no keyboard found, press f1 to continue
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My older hp motherboard had something interesting, if there was indeed no keyboard plugged in it would auto skip the f1 prompt
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That's how I knew my usb devices crashed on boot lol
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The FM2+ motherboard also had a feature to turn on the PC with the keyboard, but it only worked for PS/2.
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 5:19 AM
i miss that from my old am4 mobo
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turn on/wake up with ctrl + space was glorious
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jordan4ibanez 2/29/2024 6:02 AM
On leenoks it's hot swap. But then again, I can hot swap my ssd, and my graphics card
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Don't ask how I learned the last part, I was learning
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Mine has hot swappable sata but I'm not sure if the pcie is hot swappable
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jordan4ibanez 2/29/2024 6:11 AM
Everything is hotswappable when it catches on fire
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Samueru
Mine has hot swappable sata but I'm not sure if the pcie is hot swappable
sata is designed to be hot swappable
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exio4
sata is designed to be hot swappable
You sure? I even had to enable the hot swap in the bios for it to work.
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that’s just your bios being cringe, but yea it is not a “hack”, its how eSATA basically worked
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 6:31 AM
eSATA should be more common there i said it
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exio4
that’s just your bios being cringe, but yea it is not a “hack”, its how eSATA basically worked
And my older pc did not have hot swap at all, there was no setting in bios either.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
eSATA should be more common there i said it
we have thunderbolt now, hot swappable nvme
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Samueru
And my older pc did not have hot swap at all, there was no setting in bios either.
wild, i guess they made this optional then? i remember the spec explicitly caring about it but i haven’t read it in years
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exio4
we have thunderbolt now, hot swappable nvme
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 6:34 AM
unfortunately, thunderbolt is not particularly well supported across all platforms. there is USB4 but some people REALLY love to cheap out on the optional parts of the spec, including the actual 40Gbps bandwidth and PCIe tunneling
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but eSATA? it's just there, it's single-purpose, is designed with one specification and design in mind, and should "just work"
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The biggest issue with esata now is the speed
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or the protocol, its barely better than usb in overhead
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When I migrated from a sata ssd to nvme ssd I was surprised my boot speed went from 9 seconds to 3
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 6:41 AM
i can't upgrade from SATA to NVMe (system too old to support it)
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My system is those X99 combos, I think nvme was already a thing for haswell/broadwell, but for the similar X79 combos the chinese manufacturers put nvme support in lol
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So wild to see a system with a sandy bridge cpu using nvme and resizable bar.
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My system is those X99 combos, I think nvme was already a thing for haswell/broadwell, but for the similar X79 combos the chinese manufacturers put nvme support in lol
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 6:46 AM
i wanna get one of those weirdo X99 combo deals off of ali, if only because they're a far cheaper upgrade alternative to my preferred path of AM4 or AM5 maybe if i get lucky for my 20th bday. :p
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I got one with a 2640V4 + 16GB Mem + Motherboard for 70 usd, it has been great. iirc a similar combo is now 60 usd instead.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 6:48 AM
damn, a whole ass CPU-mobo-memory combo for the price of Baldur's Gate 3 available now where games are bought
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The cpu cooler is actually a 1366 cooler from an even older pc I had, I was surprised it was compatible, the only difference is that it uses nuts instead of bolds on the cooler side
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Samueru
When I migrated from a sata ssd to nvme ssd I was surprised my boot speed went from 9 seconds to 3
satas protocol is not fit for nvme
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satas protocol is not fit for nvme
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ssds are more parallel than sata allows for, being a hard drive first protocol, iirc it doesn’t even do hmb
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I mean the difference in boot speed is because the nvme is over 3 times faster at read speed than the sata. The sata ssd did something like 520 MB/s which is the limit of sata 3. The nvme reads over 3000 MB/s instead.
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random reads though
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Don't remember on the sata ssd
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 6:56 AM
i think i crystaldiskmark'd my SSD (it's SATA, if prior context clues didn't help) and i think the randoms were like pisspoor like barely breaking 1MB reads and writes if i was lucky
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F, that’s really bad
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i think i crystaldiskmark'd my SSD (it's SATA, if prior context clues didn't help) and i think the randoms were like pisspoor like barely breaking 1MB reads and writes if i was lucky
Can your FX CPU even do 1 Gbps over ethernet?
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I had a FM2+ cpu that could not do that lol, the cpu went to 100% and the downloads reach like 500 mbps peak
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LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 7:09 AM
uhhhh.... i think barely, but definitely not over something like Steam. i don't really have the means to test that though because my internet is not gigabit. i could try local network tests too i guess? since i do have multiple gigabit devices, and a switch, i just don't have enough cables
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Yeah a local transfer is enough to test that. Steam doesn't give me gigabit speeds either, even github usually downloads files faster than steam lol
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F, that’s really bad
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 7:13 AM
in fairness, it was a free Micro Center SSD
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Samueru
I had a FM2+ cpu that could not do that lol, the cpu went to 100% and the downloads reach like 500 mbps peak
? 1 Gbps..? where? Steam has somewhat heavy compression, it isn't just data transfers (edited)
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? 1 Gbps..? where? Steam has somewhat heavy compression, it isn't just data transfers (edited)
When doing the speed test, I was not able to max out the gigabit port on the FM2 pc
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Another PC with an I5 2400 had no trouble doing that btw. I feel like AMD owes me something for having bought that crap lol
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there's no way, my FX 6100 could plenty over lol
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exio4
there's no way, my FX 6100 could plenty over lol
Like if you want tomorrow I will hook up that PC and show you lol
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sure you sure it wasn't a browser/javascript bottleneck? (edited)
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I'm very sure it wasn't, but I did not test the download speed on linux, that's the only thing I didn't check. That same ssd was taken from that FM2 pc and put on the old sandy bridge pc with the 2400, instant gigabit without issues.
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sure you sure it wasn't a browser/javascript bottleneck? (edited)
And the CPU instantly went to 100% btw
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I mean, you realize that gigabit routers running linux have had MIPS processors running at a few hundred MHz, right?
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I think the bottleneck was the cpu writting to the ssd though, no idea, but it was something that was easily reproducible
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did you use zfs/btrfs? lol
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It was on windows 10 lol, I told this story before. I first bought the A7800 that I used as my main PC, it stucked badly so a bought a used sandy bridge combo and gave that pc to my father. My father didn't like it either (and I even showed him the cpu struggling on the speedtest.net test lol) so I had to buy another combo for him lol.
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oh yeah on windows 10 yeah i'm actually shocked you got 500 MB/s, NTFS is also insanely demanding (edited)
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I used linux on my FX 6100 and I ran VMs with a funny network stack across them and did >1Gbps [across the VMs] just fine (edited)
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Yeah I will test it again, an yes NTFS is horrible (and on linux even more), but I don't know how to test the speedtest.net website on windows but downloading to the memory instead of the ssd, that way I could determine where the bottleneck is, on linux it is as simple as having the browser cache on tmpfs.
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ntfs is so shit dude, i actually am shocked its still a thing my fucking 5800x is a bottleneck at times
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ntfs is so shit dude, i actually am shocked its still a thing my fucking 5800x is a bottleneck at times
Yeah the other day you said that xorg is ancient on linux and I was like, should I tell you that windows uses ntfs still lol.
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granted, it's on an "good quality" x4 Gen3 NVMe, but still, a 5800X???? it was the fastest eight core CPU at the time I got it, how much more CPU power do you need goddamn lmao you can't even argue about scheduling issues because it's got a single CCX and normal cache setup (edited)
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Sheet1 Target,Time (s),Rate (MiB/s),Compressed (B),Ratio,Seconds/Reduction,file,https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/c/cuda/cuda-10.1.168-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (unxz'd, in tmpfs) zstd:15,95,58,3118391296,0.5363,204.857,sha256sum,f130979294714599ad5c8710f6c08ad88e163cca277d3ca3eec37c0ede248aa8 zs...
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NTFS 2 with Windows 12
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Iirc macos lets you use ZFS, which is great.
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wait how and why does ntfs suck? (edited)
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wait how and why does ntfs suck? (edited)
It is ancient
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I thought all file systems were ancient? There's new ones?
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I thought all file systems were ancient? There's new ones?
Yes, and there's even newer ones like bcachefs, it recently got in the linux kernel btw
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Does windows support any of the newer ones?
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Although I can't really tell you why NTFS is much worse than EXT4, those two don't have the modern features that ZFS, Btrfs and bcachefs have. WIndows said like 5 years ago that they will suppot ext4 and I don't know what has happened since then.
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NTFS does a lot of enterprise shit and is designed in a whole ass different era
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I never even knew that new file systems existed lol. but windows doesn't support any of them so oh well (edited)
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I should get a ps2 keyboard, mine has limitations like mod+shift+a is not registered, same for mod+shift+period, my "new" motherboard actually came with a PS/2 interface.
the nicer keyboards are way, way better for stuff like that...
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do u guys wanna guess my ping on fast.com
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exio4
do u guys wanna guess my ping on fast.com
645ms
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what is fast dot com
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i wish @Samueru, i wish, and i've got an interview in a few hours, i'm so fucked rn - gonna check how my backup phone vibes
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I never even knew that new file systems existed lol. but windows doesn't support any of them so oh well (edited)
And there are some very cool features, like snapshots. Filesystem snapshots instead of making a whole copy of all the system files, they instead save the diff between the files, meaning that you only have a few MB difference between snapshots. You could literary have a snapshot from the day you installed the OS, rolled back to it after using the OS for many years as if nothing happened. And you can even roll back to before you rolled back the old snapshot, that is you can go to different points on time in your filesystem, this is used in the enterprise zone with ZFS. I do it with Btrfs on linux. Another features are the transparent compression (it saves about 30% of disk space without any real impact). (edited)
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i wish @Samueru, i wish, and i've got an interview in a few hours, i'm so fucked rn - gonna check how my backup phone vibes
(The upload should be gigabit as well, that's odd). (edited)
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still running
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still running
Do you have fiber?
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Samueru
Do you have fiber?
lol no
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What a shame, here everything went fiber after the pandemic.
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And there are some very cool features, like snapshots. Filesystem snapshots instead of making a whole copy of all the system files, they instead save the diff between the files, meaning that you only have a few MB difference between snapshots. You could literary have a snapshot from the day you installed the OS, rolled back to it after using the OS for many years as if nothing happened. And you can even roll back to before you rolled back the old snapshot, that is you can go to different points on time in your filesystem, this is used in the enterprise zone with ZFS. I do it with Btrfs on linux. Another features are the transparent compression (it saves about 30% of disk space without any real impact). (edited)
that sounds pretty sweet
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that sounds pretty sweet
Yeah before we used to have internet that was slower than the one of cuba, it was an insane 180 that happened here
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i mean, it won't get better here anytime soon
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oh nah i was talking about the filesystems, that switch seems to be sweet too tho (edited)
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Oh nvm lol
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@Samueru i'm using a cheap local co-op that resells the government fiber backbone, but it kinda got stuck there the internet is running extra bad though, usually I had 200-300 ms to my friend in Italy, and <100ms to people here in Deep Rock Galactic, that's straight up gaming lol (edited)
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cant even connect to manchester, smh
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i mean, it won't get better here anytime soon
and it was mostly on this city, not the rest of the country. Some weird receipt that we live near the border with colombia, there's a lot of usd on the blackmarket and that caused a bunch of small fiber companies from colombia to go into a price war. So yeah for this to happened we had to dollarize, hopefully that also works out in argentina.
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@Samueru i'm using a cheap local co-op that resells the government fiber backbone, but it kinda got stuck there the internet is running extra bad though, usually I had 200-300 ms to my friend in Italy, and <100ms to people here in Deep Rock Galactic, that's straight up gaming lol (edited)
315ms to buenos aires wtf, I get 161ms to buenos aires from here lmao.
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and it was mostly on this city, not the rest of the country. Some weird receipt that we live near the border with colombia, there's a lot of usd on the blackmarket and that caused a bunch of small fiber companies from colombia to go into a price war. So yeah for this to happened we had to dollarize, hopefully that also works out in argentina.
lol, i don't think you get it, if you dollarize nobody would be left to afford the fiber because that requires deindustrialization, Argentina's labor is basically all on things which aren't internationally competitive without even further wage cuts for that to happen we'd also need to strip all taxes back down to venezuelan levels (aka completely defund leading-in-latin-america healthcare, etc) (edited)
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lol, i don't think you get it, if you dollarize nobody would be left to afford the fiber because that requires deindustrialization, Argentina's labor is basically all on things which aren't internationally competitive without even further wage cuts for that to happen we'd also need to strip all taxes back down to venezuelan levels (aka completely defund leading-in-latin-america healthcare, etc) (edited)
We also don't have industries here, only oil exports and those are nonexistent basically, I pay 25 usd a month for the gigabit internet, that is expensive here but alternative is the ADSL internet that doesn't work from the goverment company which is about 10 usd per month.
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We also don't have industries here, only oil exports and those are nonexistent basically, I pay 25 usd a month for the gigabit internet, that is expensive here but alternative is the ADSL internet that doesn't work from the goverment company which is about 10 usd per month.
i'm living in a small town, big cities have fiber already, you can get 500 symmetric for not too much money like 40 km from where I live, but privatization of the main fiber backbone (currently owned by the government) would instantly fuck up the service here lol i really need to explain the situation in argentina won't be solved with more "liberalism" because that's literally what has done the damage of the last 50 years or so (edited)
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i'm living in a small town, big cities have fiber already, you can get 500 symmetric for not too much money like 40 km from where I live, but privatization of the main fiber backbone (currently owned by the government) would instantly fuck up the service here lol i really need to explain the situation in argentina won't be solved with more "liberalism" because that's literally what has done the damage of the last 50 years or so (edited)
We haven't privatized all fiber here though, each company has its own fiber, but iirc most of the backdoor is owned by movistar already.
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"each company has its own fiber because the government never owned it" is the default state, yeah
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"each company has its own fiber because the government never owned it" is the default state, yeah
The goverment does own some fiber, but anyway here what fixed was the dollarization.
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venezuela did it because you had nothing left, it's a different situation argentina's economy would have to shrink a further 50-70% for dollarization right now, and the government debt would need higher taxes
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venezuela did it because you had nothing left, it's a different situation argentina's economy would have to shrink a further 50-70% for dollarization right now, and the government debt would need higher taxes
Zulia state’s capital went from practically disconnected by blackouts and energy rationing to the crown jewel of Venezuela’s internet
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that's cool, but i'd prefer if the we don't dollarize and the cancer clinic in the next city doesn't close and my dad can afford his medication on a pension, y'know?
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that's cool, but i'd prefer if the we don't dollarize and the cancer clinic in the next city doesn't close and my dad can afford his medication on a pension, y'know?
Do you really think things will get better by keeping the peso with all the weird exchange rates around?
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Argentina was already de-facto dollarized in the 90s, to tackle hyperinflation, we already tried it, in a better situation
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iirc ecuador was the country from latin america which salaries were hit the least by the pandemic due to them using the usd.
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Do you really think things will get better by keeping the peso with all the weird exchange rates around?
no, we need a currency reform, but asking for a dollarization is the equivalent of saying that because you hit your knee you have to take a cyanide pill to cure it
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the government surplus and austerity programs already shrunk the economy by 25-30% in less than 3 months, poverty rates went up by 10-20% depending on how you measure it, we weren't doing well before, by any means, but we had a lot of social safety networks that kept things going dollarization is only viable if you completely destroy the federal government, the only way to finance is to liquidate the government funds (for pensions, healthcare, education, energy, etc) + privatizations to cover for debt, and "restart the economy"... which we tried in the 90s, we privatized almost all of our infrastructure, in the 90s, which led to 2001 when there was a debt shock that made dollars insanely worthy, and because argentine labor didn't magically get more competitive, layoffs happened, and the economy contracted, eventually spiraling out of control - into the worst recession Argentina ever saw (edited)
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dollarization only makes sense if you're living in something like venezuela where the government has already collapsed, where wages fell down to literal cents a day, and the government ran out of ways to finance basic services, to the point that you need to tie yourself and completely lose control of your currency to get access to any funds the key there is: Argentina was never past the point of no return, Argentina was doing poorly, the economy was not doing well, the exchange rates fucked with the market hard, but food security? it was surprisingly high, even for latam standards, pensions? they were shit in nominal terms - but healthcare access was surprisingly decent too, education? our unis weren't breaking records, but the line was going up for access, etc (until 2015-2016, specifically, and from 2021 and after)
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Argentina exported 68 billions USD in 2021, Venezuela is only like 60% of the population but it gives you context of how "much" shit had collapsed, in 2021, the economy grew in 2022 and 2023 had a record drought because climate change normalizing per capita Argentina still exported >12x of Venezuela
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Well exio, I don't really see a way out of the current situation in argentina, here we didn't actually dollarize de jure, it is just something that happened the facto because we slowly went thru the same mess that argentina is going right now. Like every single thing, the weird exchange rates, then the black dollar (dollar blue in argentina), then inflation, etc, this ended with everyone just saving their money in usd. Then the big blackout happened in 2019, for 5 days nothing worked, and suddenly people remembered hey I have some usd saved might as well use them to try to buy some stuff from the market, and from there everyone kept using usd until now haha.
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Well exio, I don't really see a way out of the current situation in argentina, here we didn't actually dollarize de jure, it is just something that happened the facto because we slowly went thru the same mess that argentina is going right now. Like every single thing, the weird exchange rates, then the black dollar (dollar blue in argentina), then inflation, etc, this ended with everyone just saving their money in usd. Then the big blackout happened in 2019, for 5 days nothing worked, and suddenly people remembered hey I have some usd saved might as well use them to try to buy some stuff from the market, and from there everyone kept using usd until now haha.
yeah, I know, I have talked with friends from Venezuela for years, I just mention it because we haven't had that kind of shit happen, and Argentina was doing the funny things for years, it isn't ideal - but the government did these because government debt has to be paid somehow, and the alternative is furthering entering into default, and completely destroying the federal government Venezuelan bolivares haven't been useful as currency for like 12 years by now, that's different
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the idea that "dollarization can be an improvement" is very suicidal on an economic that relies on its own domestic market as much as Argentina, it's a difference of economy - Venezuela could do it because you have nothing but oil (and nothing was left), you literally have as much industry as argentina did like 90 years ago, with a smaller population last time I checked (edited)
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Omg I just remembered you also recently had a gasoline shortage right? It was exactly the same here.
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no, we didn't lol
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it wasn't a gasoline shortage, it was the oil companies lowering oil production because they knew the government change would lead to a change in the tax structure & double profits the moment the government said ok, fuck you, have the profits now, they over-shipped and the numbers went back to normal for everything after the "slow down and dump" (edited)
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we have YPF (the state oil company, that was privatized in the 90s to fund the dollarization, that they nationalized in the 2010s), it does most of the refinery work in the country - but their own production is not enough to cover the whole country, so they buy from other oil corporations to refine and sell as fuel the other corporations basically met minimum contracts, explicitly to "negotiate" this combined with the fact that it was publicly known that prices would go up so everybody went to gas up just before it goes up in price, it's Just In Time economics not reacting well to abrupt changes in the economical environment, the same way that toilet paper shortages weren't actually because people were taking louder shits, just because it happened too quickly (edited)
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A just-in-time (JIT) inventory system is a management strategy that aligns raw-material orders from suppliers directly with production schedules.
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the shortages in Venezuela (that I read about for years) are usually supply related, not demand related
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Oh, yeah I was remembering something about an imminent price change, here we don't have private gas companies, it was just lack of gasoline until they put the prices in usd. Gasoline used to be free since the 1940s, now it is 0.5 usd the liter. Electricity is also still free, but you see that I need to have my own off grid solution to be able to work lol, eventually once they start charing for the kWh the blackouts will also likely disappear. (edited)
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energy was not really free here, and the subsidies were heavily tiered, the government just "practically" made the first kWh enough to cover a fridge, lightbulbs and a tv extremely affordable, and then it went up to normal international pricing (edited)
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I think we actually have one of the highest energy usage per capita of all latin america because of the free electricity, like it is normal to see people running the AC with their door open lol.
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yeah, that isn't really a thing here, and another reason why the same "fixes" won't help here, but make things worse, energy prices are already going up to european levels lol
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And our industry may have collapse, but we don't put homes on a single 25A mcb like argentina has always done kek
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that's just lack of regulation; there's no need to do anything different so the cheapest thing is done - it's exactly why you need a currency, to say you know what fuckers? here, do it right now, we'll cover the difference lol (edited)
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And our industry may have collapse, but we don't put homes on a single 25A mcb like argentina has always done kek
i don't think we're doing well, we're doing like shit, i just hate the idea of dollarization as a silver bullet because it has too high of a cost to fix the economy
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The excitement is building as we finish our preparations for this year’s Game Developers Conference, set to kick off on March 18th. Industry leaders, developers, and enthusiasts will converge on San Francisco for a week of innovation, and the DirectX team here at Microsoft has a lot of exciting news to share.
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Alphonsokurukuchu 2/29/2024 9:08 AM
The NVK open-source Vulkan graphics driver for NVIDIA hardware in the Mesa graphics stack is no longer experimental and it's now stable.
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DeAthWisH00123 2/29/2024 3:14 PM
@Mango9999 what do you think about this nintendo vs yuzu case, i never see you outside of the hardware channel so id thought id ask you here
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 3:22 PM
Mango is too busy keeping his house from buckling under the weight of a bazillion Optiplexes
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Steven Vigo 2/29/2024 4:01 PM
Do I need GeForce experience?
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Install or skip?
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Awesomeangotti 2/29/2024 4:05 PM
Skip
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:05 PM
Unless you want to do in-network game streaming (Moonlight, etc.), you can just manually install the drivers and skip experience. Nvidia is in the works replacing that with the "Nvidia app," though I think it's still beta. The upside is that it won't require a login, which has always felt stupid. I guess Sunshine can be used as a separate method for streaming, which I'll eventually need to investigate because I like to sometimes stream games from my PC to a tablet, but I haven't gotten that far. (edited)
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Steven Vigo 2/29/2024 4:06 PM
So skip it is! Thanks!
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:07 PM
Some folks find its built-in game "optimized settings" to be useful, but I'm more of a "tweak each game individually" kind of guy
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Steven Vigo 2/29/2024 4:09 PM
Plus I’m still in that mentality we discussed earlier, the lighter the better
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:11 PM
It's definitely one less thing on the boot list. On that note, I was amazed at how terrible the MSI utility that came with my motherboard was. I generally like to keep things lite too, but I decided to give it a chance. It's total garbage, though (edited)
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Steven Vigo 2/29/2024 4:13 PM
I am on my first Rog Strix
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:13 PM
But that's been my experience with MSI as a whole, too, so I guess that tracks. re:ROG I used their GPU Tweak program for yeeeeeears before decovering the one thing that MSI does well. Afterburner. (edited)
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Jac_the_king 2/29/2024 4:15 PM
So has anyone done a picofly mod on switch? Saw a chip being advertised on Amazon.
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Steven Vigo 2/29/2024 4:15 PM
Yep, I saw all those videos on gpu undervolt and curve optimiser
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:18 PM
I honestly don't understand the more robust features, but even just the OSD and basic functionality of Afterburner is better than GPU Tweak. Additional bonus points for still supporting data displaying on my ancient Logitech G15 keyboard (edited)
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I install it because iirc it's the only way to get auto-updating drivers without having to go and look them up manually. I just disable the other settings like the overlay inside it.
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:26 PM
Fellow overlay disabler. 👍
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Unless you want to do in-network game streaming (Moonlight, etc.), you can just manually install the drivers and skip experience. Nvidia is in the works replacing that with the "Nvidia app," though I think it's still beta. The upside is that it won't require a login, which has always felt stupid. I guess Sunshine can be used as a separate method for streaming, which I'll eventually need to investigate because I like to sometimes stream games from my PC to a tablet, but I haven't gotten that far. (edited)
moonlight is removed on the app already PensiveClown (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:31 PM
Right, but they asked about GF Experience. I guess I thought they were getting that and not the Nvidia app. I haven't gotten that yet to check all of it out, but I did see that Moonlight was removed. I also need to investigate Sunshine (edited)
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Some folks find its built-in game "optimized settings" to be useful, but I'm more of a "tweak each game individually" kind of guy
Optimized settings are shit, they target 40-60fps
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:41 PM
You're not wrong, but I'm sure it's helpful for a few folks who don't know much about how individual settings affect performance
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The new app has tiers for optimized settings, but they're still shit because the "performance" setting still targets mostly 60 with drops to high 40s acceptable
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:43 PM
It would be cool if they went all-in on optimizations and let you customize the tiers. I probably still wouldn't use them, but I could see an appeal in that for those who do
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The problem is they don't want the game to look bad, so they'll have it run like shit instead Looks good on screenshots tho (edited)
4:45 PM
Either way, i still like having the recording running at all times so i don't skip GE, and now it doesn't even need an account
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deadlybydsgn 2/29/2024 4:45 PM
GFE was the worst about forcing you to reenter your login credentials
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tech bob ross asks for my account, i'm giving him my deets
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exio4
tech bob ross asks for my account, i'm giving him my deets
You'd let apple scan your photos for your safety tho, your opinion doesn't count
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nah i actually dislike them doing that, but everybody here uses windows which is 20x worse so this is like Hummer owners talking about how hybrid cars are less efficient than EVs lol
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exio4
nah i actually dislike them doing that, but everybody here uses windows which is 20x worse so this is like Hummer owners talking about how hybrid cars are less efficient than EVs lol
Cope
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they don't do it tho, they actually dropped that lol tech bob ross is cuz of bryan catanzaro's rizz (edited)
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exio4
they don't do it tho, they actually dropped that lol tech bob ross is cuz of bryan catanzaro's rizz (edited)
But would you have stopped using apple devices if they hadn't? Inb4 it's ok bro it's better than windows (edited)
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But would you have stopped using apple devices if they hadn't? Inb4 it's ok bro it's better than windows (edited)
no, because the rest of the hardware/software is too good for what I want, what's the alternative? buying an intel laptop and coping my battery life is 3 hours on battery saver mode when I'm working out of home? run AI shit on what laptop GPU with >20GB of VRAM?
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it's the same as coping with nvidia, you hate their VRAM, too, don't you? why don't you switch to AMD? they offer more VRAM, same deal, corpos got all of us by the balls by some reason or another, you're coping like anybody else and saying otherwise is just because you're too delusional to accept reality
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Nvidia doesn't scan my personal folders, at least that i know B-but it's exactly the same bro (edited)
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Egdarska
Nvidia doesn't scan my personal folders, at least that i know B-but it's exactly the same bro (edited)
GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 6:01 PM
heh
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do you have any google services on your phone, just in case? they have done that there for like a decade and Apple is the only provider out of the big ones to offer E2EE now, the CSAM shit was done because they wanted to preempt governments saying but think of the control before deploying it, so if your argument is about cloud data at all, they're the best there, they're the 6GB 3060 beating the XTX because it at least has doesn't crash I'm not defending Apple, they're a shit corpo like any other, I just like some of their products - I'm just saying you're basically acting like an AMD fanboy and unable to recognize competitors offer something of value for some people [also, NVIDIA does it] (edited)
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GeForce Experience scans most of your folders, and basically sends your game settings to the mothership to know who is using which settings and what not AFAIK, yeah, it's different - but Apple is doing less scanning (none if you E2EE) than Google/Microsoft do through their cloud services, which is the relevant comparison either way, you're talking about a feature Apple dropped out, so neither does Apple blobShrug
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meow
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 6:09 PM
linux user with zero telemetry be like
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GeForce Experience scans most of your folders, and basically sends your game settings to the mothership to know who is using which settings and what not AFAIK, yeah, it's different - but Apple is doing less scanning (none if you E2EE) than Google/Microsoft do through their cloud services, which is the relevant comparison either way, you're talking about a feature Apple dropped out, so neither does Apple blobShrug
But my question was if you would allow apple to scan your photos and look at their content to protect the children. (edited)
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I'd rather they don't do it, I just hate it the way you mentioned me explicitly as if I am a sucker for sending my data away to corpos just because why not after a fucking joke about bryan catanzaro, but if the only way to get encryption to not get banned by governments was to do that, you have to consider if encrypting everything else is worth it, y'know and NVIDIA will do the same tracking they did on GFE with NVIDIA App, this time with your microsoft account as metadata, I assume
6:21 PM
either way, you don't have degoogled Android, they explicitly track your WiFi and location for their public databases, the CSAM Apple was talking about - all vendors do it, Google Photos has done it for years already, they just wanted to do it on-device which was the controversial side
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Yeah, that's why i don't do Google's cloud, one of the reasons anyway
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I just like singling out apple because users of other products know it's shitty behavior and we just wish they'd stop, but apple users get mad as fuck and compile a list of other companies that do the same
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sure, but singling out Apple in data privacy is like saying the 4060 Ti has useless raytracing performance for rendering when it outperforms all other competitors lol
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Egdarska
But would you have stopped using apple devices if they hadn't? Inb4 it's ok bro it's better than windows (edited)
what are the alternatives btw?
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exio4
what are the alternatives btw?
Open phone with custom rom :^)
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Egdarska
Open phone with custom rom :^)
i like having access to my banking apps, and a working camera
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exio4
i like having access to my banking apps, and a working camera
You can btw
8:12 PM
Banking apps work unless you root the phone, and even if you root it you can still use them by using the safetynetfix or something like it
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Yeah, there's always workarounds
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In fact I now need to use aurora store with phone model spoofing because one of my banking apps dropped support for my smartphone lol
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Samueru
In fact I now need to use aurora store with phone model spoofing because one of my banking apps dropped support for my smartphone lol
Dropped support for the phone lol
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Egdarska
Dropped support for the phone lol
Yeah makes no sense, I had to also put lineageos on my fathers phone because of that
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what phone is it lol
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Sorry, your broke ass can't afford using our bank, but we'll still take your money tho
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exio4
what phone is it lol
Redmi 9
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That's not even that old wtf, mfs using android 4 to this day
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2020 android phone by xiaomi, basically e-waste by 2021, by 2022 you should have bought a new one tops, skill issue tbh
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X3D variants perform better than 14700k and the 14900k ATM for Yuzu?
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@Samueru i'm still feeling burned by my xiaomi a2 lite purchase
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Buying anything with an A or Lite in the name is just asking for it. They're usually worse than products from 2 generations before (edited)
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Intel Core i5-12600KF Desktop Processor 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W
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I want small phones, fight me, the only small [affordable] phone that seemed nice at the same was the A2 Lite, and everything else is shitty tablet sized at best (edited)
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Buy a Redmagic 9 Pro 👀 (edited)
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I want small phones, fight me, the only small [affordable] phone that seemed nice at the same was the A2 Lite, and everything else is shitty tablet sized at best (edited)
Just get normal sized hands
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Moonlacer
Buy a Redmagic 9 Pro 👀 (edited)
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Hnng
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Yes, and then you won't be able to go back livereaction
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Moonlacer
Yes, and then you won't be able to go back livereaction
i have a 6.5" phone lol i've used my moto g9 play a lot, it's unusable at best, trash at worst (edited)
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i have a 6.5" phone lol i've used my moto g9 play a lot, it's unusable at best, trash at worst (edited)
That's just motorola tho, not the size
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? no, it's the size, holding it is uncomfortable just like another big ass phone
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Skill issue tbh
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Yes, and then you won't be able to go back livereaction
LukeTheVideoGamer 2/29/2024 9:30 PM
i use a 6.1" screen phone and i think even that's a little too big
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i use a 6.1" screen phone and i think even that's a little too big
i like u
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LukeTheVideoGamer
i use a 6.1" screen phone and i think even that's a little too big
I can't even use my S22 anymore after this new phone
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bunch of tiny hands people lol
9:45 PM
I actually like that I have arrow keys next to the navigation buttons in lineageos, because I can't select text with my fingers lol
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I just like that my phone has a truly fullscreen display, no pesky little notch or hole punch. It makes content and fullscreen gaming great
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Mine only has a teardrop notch on the top part, but since I don't game on the phone it is never an issue (youtube videos always leave vertical black bars on the sides due to the phone being wider than 16:9 anyway)
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Wide movies and YT videos zoomed to fill are the main advantages (edited)
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I hate notches, just make the phone slightly taller reee
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@exio4 I'm setting up the pc with the fm2 cpu to do the speedtest again
10:46 PM
Mmmm
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Samueru
@exio4 I'm setting up the pc with the fm2 cpu to do the speedtest again
How many eff pee ees do you get on totk?
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Egdarska
How many eff pee ees do you get on totk?
On the FM2 pc? I won't even bother to test that lol
11:02 PM
That shit struggled to run wind waker on dolphin I remember
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Wack
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Even my shitty athlon got (mostly) full speed in wind waker
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:27 PM
top kek, arc gpus get hdr working on some games
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that isn't shocking, there are multiple windows HDR APIs
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:29 PM
yeah and intel only implemented the generic d3d one
11:29 PM
games only using the proprietary ones are as much at fault here
11:29 PM
but dear god how hard is it to implement the amd or nvidia one to boost compatibility
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it's a lot of work they'll get to it, eventually - deck only does the proper one too the other ones are older afaik (edited)
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The current hdr implementations piss me off so much
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:32 PM
there's a LOT to mature in HDR
11:32 PM
heh, the irony if in 6 months the linux method is better than the windows one
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Imagine if you could buy a game that doesn't support regular 24bpp monitors and you had to hope they have proper TrueColor™️
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:33 PM
still, as you call it exio, that's lost value for the moment on arc hope they eventually sort it out, we're moving to an era of budget HDR displays faster than i imagined
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still, as you call it exio, that's lost value for the moment on arc hope they eventually sort it out, we're moving to an era of budget HDR displays faster than i imagined
Usable* budget hdr Hdr400 has been cheap for years
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:34 PM
as an ex-user of hdr400: fuck hdr400
11:34 PM
hdr1000 with fald is where it's at
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Still waiting for hdr10000
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:35 PM
true mastering
11:36 PM
no joke, the aoc at 1300 nits has been amazing so far, and it's a sub 300 bucks display
11:36 PM
that should mean in a year or two, we should be at 150 or 200 bucks for something similar
11:36 PM
usable fast VA saved the market kek
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still, as you call it exio, that's lost value for the moment on arc hope they eventually sort it out, we're moving to an era of budget HDR displays faster than i imagined
i know, i just mentioned that because it makes sense technically but, real HDR is still vastly more niche than discord or team/zoom calls so 👀
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:37 PM
true
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if Arc gets a 5 due to HDR, Radeon should get 1 without the chance to retake the exam in encoders, playing the "who has the best feature set" between Arc/AMD right now is a matter of what you personally care the only One-Size-Fits-All GPU brand is NVIDIA, if you pay up for the VRAM you want/need
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:39 PM
nvidia pulling a better apple than apple with a product that is actually usable for anything
11:40 PM
if you burn the cash
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if Arc gets a 5 due to HDR, Radeon should get 1 without the chance to retake the exam in encoders, playing the "who has the best feature set" between Arc/AMD right now is a matter of what you personally care the only One-Size-Fits-All GPU brand is NVIDIA, if you pay up for the VRAM you want/need
SHILL
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:40 PM
true shill, uses a deck and decks it
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imagine the deck with an xe gpu
11:40 PM
dear god
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I'd still take the arc over amd, it actually has a chance of being decent in a few months
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nah, they're playing nearly the exact same playbook, Apple and NVIDIA both sell ecosystems, just one is about ~consumer electronics~ the other is ~general purpose gpu compute~, shockingly enough to surprise of nobody; the playbook works, once you build the ecosystem, and people are using your platform as a core foundation of everything they do, everybody's else skill issues just double up your Ws, and the ecosystem keeps getting bigger
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:43 PM
capitalism 2.0
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NetworkManager moment, it says that my connection is 100 mbps but it is actually full gigabit lmao
11:51 PM
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:51 PM
kek
11:51 PM
my old laptop needed a reboot to change connections over network manager
11:51 PM
linux moments
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Samueru
Click to see attachment 🖼️
so, it did do 1 Gbps, without flatlining at half the speed, and 100%?
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exio4
so, it did do 1 Gbps, without flatlining at half the speed, and 100%?
That's my own pc
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Samueru
That's my own pc
oh lol
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I was troubleshooting the connection being 100mbps on the fm2 PC and went and used the same cable on my PC and discovered that (I'm doing the test right now on a manjaro live enviroment on the FM2 pc, will test windows 10 next)
11:57 PM
Oh boy, you can see the cpu struggle on Linux lmao, but there is only a small bottleneck on the upload
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GoldenX86_64 2/29/2024 11:58 PM
loool
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Do the scanlands render on that bad boy lol (edited)
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Alright now I will install windows 10
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Install windows vista
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Egdarska
Install windows vista
Btw I'm using windows 10 because 11 is a trainwreck, my father still uses windows partition because he uses a video editing software that doesn't work on wine, but the pc was recently hit by the infamous micro stuttering bug that hit windows 11 and had to roll it back lol
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Btw I'm using windows 10 because 11 is a trainwreck, my father still uses windows partition because he uses a video editing software that doesn't work on wine, but the pc was recently hit by the infamous micro stuttering bug that hit windows 11 and had to roll it back lol
Nvidia? They fixed that through a driver, and Microsause is working on fixing it on their next cumulative update.
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Windows 11 has worked fine for me so far, but almost everyone i know has had some issues lol
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Nvidia? They fixed that through a driver, and Microsause is working on fixing it on their next cumulative update.
Yes nvidia, but we also tested with the intel igpu and it still happened
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Yeah microsause messed up sometihng in flip presentation. I luckily haven't had that issue. (edited)
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@exio4 Also it is a A8 7600, I said 7800 before.
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 12:34 AM
a friend has an a8 7600 in use for his mother
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good gpu for the time, made gaming viable
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Wait it actually did gigabit this time, but the cpu still gets to 100% lol
12:41 AM
Upload was 763mbps
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 12:41 AM
WHAT CRACKED ASS UPLOAD SPEED YOU GOT MAN???
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Awesomeangotti
WHAT CRACKED ASS UPLOAD SPEED YOU GOT MAN???
Symmetrical gigabit
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 12:42 AM
You arent in america are you? If not, ONLY IN NOT AMERICA!
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Venezuela lol
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 12:43 AM
Man american internet infrastructure is not cracked af
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Awesomeangotti
Man american internet infrastructure is not cracked af
Cries in 120/12
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 12:53 AM
Pain
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T-thanks cox
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On fast.com my upload is only half the speed though
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Samueru
On fast.com my upload is only half the speed though
Lmao, cheating tests strike again
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Egdarska
Lmao, cheating tests strike again
wdym cheating lol
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Samueru
wdym cheating lol
More like the isps, they cheat by giving you better speeds when they detect a speed test
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Fast.com gives accurate results because they just look like netflix streaming to the isp, though i guess they could cheat by not throttling netflix traffic, which is a win anyway
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This is to miami (the fast.com test is also to miami server) (that ping is nice btw) (edited)
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Might just be shitty servers then
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(I used to get A+)
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OldManKain 3/1/2024 1:07 AM
The joys of living in the country where there are no cables to use.
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You don't have fiber nation wide?
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 1:08 AM
we do and no one can use it because politics
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OldManKain 3/1/2024 1:08 AM
I can't even get cable internet, and dsl is 7mb/1.5mb
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The joys of living in the country where there are no cables to use.
Starlink?
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OldManKain 3/1/2024 1:09 AM
T-mobile 5G internet.
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OldManKain
T-mobile 5G internet.
Oh, here we are still using LTE, and the LTE is shitty like you get 10/5 mbps lol
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OldManKain 3/1/2024 1:10 AM
Lets just say this is way better than my 200USD a month Huguesnet I had for 5 years.
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I'm still mad my phone network got bought by fucking t-mobile, i used to get 100Mbps in 2017, now it tops at like 40 (edited)
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(I used to get A+)
Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 1:10 AM
Whats a bufferbloat
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Whats a bufferbloat
ping increased under load.
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https://www.speedtest.net/global-index/argentina?city=Buenos%20Aires#fixed https://www.speedtest.net/global-index/venezuela?city=Maracaibo#fixed You can see the symetrical speeds in the average here vs buenos aires, but the mobile internet is horrible still lol
Buenos Aires ranked 87th in the world for mobile speeds and 60th for fixed broadband speeds during January 2024.
Maracaibo ranked 147th in the world for mobile speeds and 93rd for fixed broadband speeds during January 2024.
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I'm still mad my phone network got bought by fucking t-mobile, i used to get 100Mbps in 2017, now it tops at like 40 (edited)
I was under the impression that t-mobile was good in the us and that verizon and at&t sucked lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 1:21 AM
https://youtu.be/LfpXMuMvcWQ this video uses an AMD CPU alongside an Intel GPU... honestly goals
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I was under the impression that t-mobile was good in the us and that verizon and at&t sucked lol
There's no good isp in the us, just less shitty ones, but t-mobile is at best just less shitty than verizon
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There's no good isp in the us, just less shitty ones, but t-mobile is at best just less shitty than verizon
Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 1:33 AM
Xfinity garbage right? (Most garbage) (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 1:34 AM
everyone's garbage really, ya just gotta find the ones that are the least garbage
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Samueru
I was under the impression that t-mobile was good in the us and that verizon and at&t sucked lol
imagine cyberpunk 2077, now remove the chrome, make it less retro, you have america
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exio4
imagine cyberpunk 2077, now remove the chrome, make it less retro, you have america
>less retro Bro only knows america from movies
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Egdarska
>less retro Bro only knows america from movies
i mean the design of walmart guns, and lack of soviet union and shit bro
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exio4
imagine cyberpunk 2077, now remove the chrome, make it less retro, you have america
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 1:51 AM
I am an American, and I approve of this message
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Egdarska
There's no good isp in the us, just less shitty ones, but t-mobile is at best just less shitty than verizon
OldManKain 3/1/2024 1:51 AM
Agreed, but when they purchased sprint they sure fucked those customers over.
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
I am an American, and I approve of this message
you are a burrito
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
I am an American, and I approve of this message
I'm so sorry, we have a support group, we meet every weekend when there's no mass shooting the previous week
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I'm so sorry, we have a support group, we meet every weekend when there's no mass shooting the previous week
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 1:53 AM
Sounds like I won't be attending anytime soon then pepesmoke
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We'll have the first meeting at some point
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 1:54 AM
(Though also let's keep down the talk of mass shootings for obvious reasons in this chat :p )
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i disagree, i love cyberpunk's gameplay (i have bad taste)
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i disagree, i love cyberpunk's gameplay (i have bad taste)
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 1:56 AM
Can't pet dogs in Cyberpunk 0/10
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Counterargument, you can pet cats
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One of these days I'm gonna redownload cyberpunk and try to enjoy it, maybe when a third person mode drops 👀
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Counterargument, you can pet cats
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 1:58 AM
11/10 masterpiece
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
Can't pet dogs in Cyberpunk 0/10
you can also have your own cat, and iguana
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 1:58 AM
Is this new??? I played the game a long time ago
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
Is this new??? I played the game a long time ago
i mean, like 2? years
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:02 AM
I only played when it was v1.2
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looks like it was added right after
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cyberpunk is basically minecraft
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exio4
cyberpunk is basically minecraft
Mid open world game that kids on the spectrum get obsessed with?
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Egdarska
Mid open world game that kids on the spectrum get obsessed with?
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:17 AM
I am a kid on the spectrum that has sunk thousands of hours into Minecraft :3
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Egdarska
Mid open world game that kids on the spectrum get obsessed with?
minecraft sold 300 million copies bro
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I also had my minecraft moment by 2012, reminds me of my sim city 4 addiction as well.
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exio4
minecraft sold 300 million copies bro
Yes, because of the aforementioned kids. I've bought like 6 copies lol
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2:22 AM
I bought minecraft when it used the first numbering system, when it wasn't even beta
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Samueru
I also had my minecraft moment by 2012, reminds me of my sim city 4 addiction as well.
mood, i was obsessed too
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Egdarska
Mid open world game that kids on the spectrum get obsessed with?
Terraria better
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Moonlacer
Terraria better
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 2:35 AM
true, but they're both good fun depending on mood and playstyle
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But yeah, I've also played a lot of Minecraft in my day and I think I'm just permanently burnt out on it unless my kids want to play it someday with me 😛
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 2:37 AM
that's basically my situation with minecraft too, terraria has more staying power in terms of variety
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:37 AM
God bless sim city
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squanchy 🥗
Anybody who buys less than 32GB of RAM in 2024 is a communist.
Metal Mario 3/1/2024 2:40 AM
Communist? I don't get it. excuse me? But I'm going to start saving money about for a decent DDR :). Also sorry if I'm replying later. I've been working on something else for personal reasons.
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GoldenX86_64
God bless sim city
Sims 2 had my favorite artist as the composer 😛
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squanchy 🥗
Anybody who buys less than 32GB of RAM in 2024 is a communist.
do i have to downgrade?
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:44 AM
Seems so
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Was a good ride, back to 16
2:45 AM
"If the founding fathers wanted more than 640kB, they would have said so!"
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True, make it an amendment
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thankfully my phone guarantees it
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:46 AM
I pledge the 32gbth amendment
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GoldenX86_64
I pledge the 32gbth amendment
Is that pronounced like a mf with braces trying to say gigabit?
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exio4
thankfully my phone guarantees it
apple wont ship a phone with 32gb of ram for like 10 years, im safe rn
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:47 AM
Btw, 32GB GB Great Britain Very freedom unit
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Moonlacer
Sims 2 had my favorite artist as the composer 😛
Jerry Martin?
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exio4
apple wont ship a phone with 32gb of ram for like 10 years, im safe rn
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:47 AM
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GoldenX86_64
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i’m expecting them to up the price and offer a high end version at some point, $1799 for it (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:48 AM
You just want your phone llama
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"Hello siri, write me a book"
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exio4
i’m expecting them to up the price and offer a high end version at some point, $1799 for it (edited)
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 2:49 AM
less than $2000? I don't believe you
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:49 AM
1599 will still have only 8gb
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🌸 Plutia 🌸
less than $2000? I don't believe you
the base model with 128 gb of storage
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Samueru
Jerry Martin?
Mark Mothersbaugh
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Moonlacer
Mark Mothersbaugh
Oh, nvm then. The other one has been in a bunch of sim city and sims games.
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exio4
the base model with 128 gb of storage
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 2:50 AM
make it 64 and I'd buy it (the idea, not the phone lol)
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apple cant get long term suppliers to do 64 gb anymore, they actually can’t make that because the industry forces them to move on
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Samueru
Oh, nvm then. The other one has been in a bunch of sim city and sims games.
Aye, Mark doesn't usually stick to any specific franchise for very long. He still does live performances with his band, DEVO kek
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exio4
apple cant get long term suppliers to do 64 gb anymore, they actually can’t make that because the industry forces them to move on
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 2:53 AM
that is actually pretty funny, a mini usb-c event, but in that case I guess they might eventually do a 128 storage 32 ram... which sounds just all kinds of insane... not putting it past them though
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i need more battery
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:55 AM
Get a bigger phone
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:55 AM
Get a bigger phone
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exio4
i need more battery
40% just on discord lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:55 AM
Limit display to 30hz
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 2:55 AM
Get a bigger phone
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🌸 Plutia 🌸
that is actually pretty funny, a mini usb-c event, but in that case I guess they might eventually do a 128 storage 32 ram... which sounds just all kinds of insane... not putting it past them though
meow, i actually kid cuz theres no way supplies allow for that soon ish
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Get a bigger phone
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Samueru
40% just on discord lol
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:56 AM
God Discord is such a battery hog. I've seen it use more battery than games before for similar screen on time 💀
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:56 AM
Yep
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
God Discord is such a battery hog. I've seen it use more battery than games before for similar screen on time 💀
Welcome to electron lol
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exio4
i need more battery
Get a bigger phone
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:56 AM
Electron should be labeled a crime against humanity
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this guy spends 40% of his day battery arguing with children
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Samueru
Welcome to electron lol
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:56 AM
It's not electron on mobile, it's React Native
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greggle
this guy spends 40% of his day battery arguing with children
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:57 AM
Living the life
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eyes_sus why should i get a bigger phone? i can get a new battery and go back to 5-6 hours screen on time, my battery is heavily degraded; also Discord is react native lol
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
It's not electron on mobile, it's React Native
Even on android?
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:57 AM
Like damn that's crazy DogeKek
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:57 AM
Get a foldable
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Samueru
Even on android?
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:57 AM
Yes, the new Android app is React Native. Old one was Kotlin
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Pay $200 for a battery replacement from Apple and still have the same PoS. Otherwise risk the DRM battery (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:57 AM
Bring back the old one, it supported dex
2:58 AM
Imagine this UI in 27 inches
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Moonlacer
Pay $200 for a battery replacement from Apple and still have the same PoS. Otherwise risk the DRM battery (edited)
i want my photos to be e2ee
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just think about how many more kids you could argue with if you had the pro max battery capacity
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Moonlacer
Pay $200 for a battery replacement from Apple and still have the same PoS. Otherwise risk the DRM battery (edited)
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:58 AM
It's 90 bucks if you were curious
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:58 AM
Plus tools
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
Yes, the new Android app is React Native. Old one was Kotlin
Oh, it i just discord being shit then lol
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Samueru
Oh, it i just discord being shit then lol
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:58 AM
Yes absolutely DogeKek
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:59 AM
Discord is composed entirely of rejected gnome devs
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ
It's 90 bucks if you were curious
Argentina pricing would like a word with you
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 2:59 AM
Argentina pricing is not covered by international law
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greggle
just think about how many more kids you could argue with if you had the pro max battery capacity
not enough, must buy a stack of magsafe batteries
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Moonlacer
Argentina pricing would like a word with you
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 2:59 AM
Argentina's economy is so cooked pepesmoke
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Ancap bro will save it
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300% inflation octolingSip. Just ask Golden how much he just paid for his midrange monitor
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exio4
not enough, must buy a stack of magsafe batteries
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:00 AM
Get a 15 pro and an usable usb port already
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Moonlacer
300% inflation octolingSip. Just ask Golden how much he just paid for his midrange monitor
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:00 AM
Oh that was just shipping and taxes
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GoldenX86_64
Get a 15 pro and an usable usb port already
i will eventually, hopefully 16 pro is not a major upgrade that actually makes it sad to go 15 pro on discount
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:01 AM
Meh, it will last nonetheless
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GoldenX86_64
Oh that was just shipping and taxes
Yeah, but compare to the same thing from sellers online
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:01 AM
Heh
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Trice the price in taxes, still half the local price
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Argentina, you wouldn't get it
3:02 AM
Don't ask how much a 4090 or 7900xtx is
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exio4
i will eventually, hopefully 16 pro is not a major upgrade that actually makes it sad to go 15 pro on discount
But the 15 pro is normal phone sized, you'll hate it
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7900 xtx is overpriced at any price, no matter the country (edited)
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Don't even start, Exio kek This is where 50% of your battery goes every time someone mentions AMD (edited)
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:03 AM
ayapopcorn damn, exio vs moon moon time
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Egdarska
But the 15 pro is normal phone sized, you'll hate it
it’s fine, 6.1” but mostly tall not wide, i have held the pros - weight is the biggest issue imo, but i haven’t held the titanium ones
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exio4
7900 xtx is overpriced at any price, no matter the country (edited)
I'd pay $350 for one
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GoldenX86_64
Don't ask how much a 4090 or 7900xtx is
Interfaz PCI-Express 4.0. | Bus de memoria: 384bit. | Cantidad de núcleos: 16384. | Frecuencia boost del núcleo de 2520MHz. | Resolución máxima: 7680x4320. | Compatible con directX y openGL. | Requiere de 1000W de alimentación. | Permite la conexión de hasta 4 pantallas simultáneas. | Formatos de conexión: 3 DisplayPort 1.4a, HDMI 2.1. | Incluy...
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exio4
it’s fine, 6.1” but mostly tall not wide, i have held the pros - weight is the biggest issue imo, but i haven’t held the titanium ones
ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 3:04 AM
the titanium+aluminum ones are like "woah ok" in terms of feeling lighter compared to the stainless steel ones It makes the Max feel a lot more balanced too, and less straining to use. That alongside the more rounded corners
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4070 performance but you lose any usability, that seems about what I'd pay
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3700, “kinda” - metaphorically closer to /1400 so 2300? (edited)
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>mercado libre
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gpu prices were fine mid 2020, miss those days fr
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Egdarska
>mercado libre
During the pandemic they changed their logo to remove the shaking hands lol
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Moonlacer
Don't even start, Exio kek This is where 50% of your battery goes every time someone mentions AMD (edited)
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:07 AM
I do it on purpose
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So his green apple side shows
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you have experienced dlss, you know what the forbidden fruit tastes like
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:08 AM
I also know their low end is garbage
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Latam measures with the low end
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the alternative are products that don’t work, and for lots of cards - dlss is an IQ advantage
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 3:09 AM
imho any of the three silicon manufacturers for GPUs are good enough if all you do is play video games. dont even give me "ough image quality", most people dont give a fuck about it or they'll just grumble and deal with it like NORMAL PEOPLE, like i dont think most people even use monitors above 1080p on desktops
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:09 AM
1080p is still king
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Lel every time
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ᗩᒪIᑕIᗩᗷᑌᖇᖇITO ツ 3/1/2024 3:10 AM
CorrinSip
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:10 AM
Grab some popcorn, here comes the jensening
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GoldenX86_64
Grab some popcorn, here comes the jensening
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 3:10 AM
yeah imma admit i just wanted to see exio's reaction :p
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:10 AM
I swear, apple and nvidia are a conspiracy to keep us stuck in 8gb
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bigger reason to not get an amd gpu, dlss isnt ewaste at 1080p, fsr2 is; also good night its midnight, i will optix my sleep (it will be efficient while you keep wasting cycles, sorry smh)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:11 AM
Dlss has an entry point of a 3050
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A 3050 is wasted sand
3:12 AM
Dlss is moot if the card can't raster 30 fps
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GoldenX86_64
Dlss has an entry point of a 3050
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 3:12 AM
(or used 2060 but why are you going for a two generations old 6GB card just for DLSS) also like with TAA and FSR2, DLSS implementations vary between games, and last i checked Cyberpunk 2077 had not so great results with DLSS at 1080p output res (edited)
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exio4
bigger reason to not get an amd gpu, dlss isnt ewaste at 1080p, fsr2 is; also good night its midnight, i will optix my sleep (it will be efficient while you keep wasting cycles, sorry smh)
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:12 AM
honestly at 1080p I wouldn't recommend either
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:12 AM
At 1080p do native and lower quality
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Even dlss is bad at 1080p
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Lol Don't make me post the 1080p dlss screenshots again (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:13 AM
I can notice dlss quality at 1440p, with ease
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Also, dlaa if you don't want upscaling
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:14 AM
Dlaa is cool
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The only good taa
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 3:14 AM
other than good TAA
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:14 AM
dlaa is nice yeah though nice by TAA standards is not a high bar (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:14 AM
But that moves the entry point to a 3060
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Its like nvidia does a double nerf No VRAM, and software value that needs an expensive card to work
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🌸 Plutia 🌸
dlaa is nice yeah though nice by TAA standards is not a high bar (edited)
"Normal" TAA standards*, not fine tuned ones (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:15 AM
War thunder TAA Never look at that (edited)
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lol proton got a logo
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Samueru
lol proton got a logo
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:16 AM
Is it 500MB?
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Moonlacer
"Normal" TAA standards*, not fine tuned ones (edited)
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:17 AM
TAA lowered the bar so much it's basically below the bottom of the barrel, why do you think everyone is avoiding the term these days
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GoldenX86_64
I can notice dlss quality at 1440p, with ease
https://discord.com/channels/398318088170242053/729830357666496583/1206795365098065930 Can you tell which one is native and which one is shitty dlss quality?
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GoldenX86_64
Is it 500MB?
Haha, just noticed it on my steam, it was a 384 Byte download, yes byte.
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:17 AM
On the phone, lemme get a display
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Egdarska
https://discord.com/channels/398318088170242053/729830357666496583/1206795365098065930 Can you tell which one is native and which one is shitty dlss quality?
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:18 AM
Duh they are fixed images
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Post me some panning
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Dlss ultra performance looks good on a static image
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🥅 Alright, I'll get a video later, it won't help the native image though (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:18 AM
Video or nothing
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Else XeSS looks better than dlss in static images
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Egdarska
🥅 Alright, I'll get a video later, it won't help the native image though (edited)
GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:21 AM
Monitor vendor: 240hz vs 60hz The marketing: Static image (edited)
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GoldenX86_64
Monitor vendor: 240hz vs 60hz The marketing: Static image (edited)
🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:24 AM
marketing: 240 hz: looks normal 60 hz: blur
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 3:25 AM
Funny how 60hz gets a blur example but pixel response time gets a 1ms lie
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:25 AM
oh yeah according to marketing we had 1ms response time monitors since the beginning of time
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The 1ms response time advertised should just be thrown out immediately when looking for a monitor, lol
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:29 AM
should be, but at this point it's ubiquitous so good luck finding a reasonably priced monitor that doesn't boast this fake stat
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Yeah, I just mean ignore that part of its marketing
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:32 AM
that is fair, monitors don't really have issues with response time if the rest of the specs (refresh rate, panel, etc) are in any way relevant in the era they were produced, they're not TVs after all
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Now, if they advertise a 10ms+ response time, it will not be a good experience
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I had one and the mouse movement just felt way off. It's a similar effect to a super high DPI on the mouse, is the best way I can describe it
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:35 AM
yeah but if you buy a monitor that's above 60 hz these days I think you're more likely than not getting a decent response time my circumstantial evidence is the 144 hz monitor I bought in 2016, it was literally the cheapest one and I'm using it right now as I'm typing to you (edited)
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Ah, I had one like that before I upgraded to a triple monitor setup. It didn't matter as much because it was used for the test bench, but the color banding was awful
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:44 AM
I mean, this monitor is pretty alright still, 8 years later, I used it as my primary for 4 of those years too
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When you upgrade, go for OLED
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🌸 Plutia 🌸 3/1/2024 3:48 AM
sure, at the same time I buy my new lamborghini and my mansion
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Moonlacer
When you upgrade, go for OLED
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 3:55 AM
oled is sooo cool but sooo expensive
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 4:01 AM
i don't have money to replace oleds every year
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so lcd it is
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GoldenX86_64
i don't have money to replace oleds every year
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 4:06 AM
eh, oleds dont really burn in that easily anymore, especially if you take the necessary precautions (hide any unnecessary status bars that are usually always on, black background, make sure automatic dimming is enabled for prolonged images, image shift, etc) but that doesnt mean they're impervious to it, and i understand the hesitation of going oled in any case
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 4:07 AM
that's the thing, i wanna do completely unattended regular desktop use
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 4:10 AM
even if you dont want to do any of those precautions (other than image or "logo" shift, that's kinda important imo), a good way to keep your OLED in good health for longer is to have a wide variety of fullscreen content to put on it, keep your stuff varied basically. and in my opinion, the benefits of OLED (near instantaneous pixel response times compared to standard LCDs, >1,000,000:1 contrast ratio which also makes them good for HDR, that jazz) outweigh any negatives like burn-in edit: to expand on that first thing, even simply letting your taskbar auto-hide in windows and setting your wallpaper to change every 15 minutes or something would be good enough (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 4:21 AM
reasonable, but i'm too boomer to move my taskbar to autohide kek
4:21 AM
vendors are solving the burn in, it's just a waiting game
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GoldenX86_64
reasonable, but i'm too boomer to move my taskbar to autohide kek
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 4:22 AM
understandable
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My smartphone suffers from burn in and doesn't have a OLED display, I can often see the navigation bar icons and the status bar when I switching to a fullscreen video lol
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Burn in can happen on lcd too, it just has to be really crappy, i had a led tv with a game ui burned in. They don't call it burn in, it's usually some other kind of "image retention" but lol it's burn in (edited)
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Egdarska
Burn in can happen on lcd too, it just has to be really crappy, i had a led tv with a game ui burned in. They don't call it burn in, it's usually some other kind of "image retention" but lol it's burn in (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 4:30 AM
it doesnt even need to be crappy. keep any content on for long enough and it'll probably burn in
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It began to happen last year, and it usually disappears after a while, it is not permanent though. Haven't had any burn in on my pc displays, and they are near 10 year old already.
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Omg the monitors are actually 19 year old lmao
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Samueru
My smartphone suffers from burn in and doesn't have a OLED display, I can often see the navigation bar icons and the status bar when I switching to a fullscreen video lol
Your phone sucks livereaction
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Moonlacer
Your phone sucks livereaction
I think it is just that it has gotten older, it didn't have the burn in issues before.
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Samueru
Omg the monitors are actually 19 year old lmao
https://www.viewsonic.com/es/products/sheet/VG1930wm The manual is dated from 2005 lol how good is that monitor compared to today's standards?
Elegantly styled digital business widescreenViewSonic’s 19” VG1930wm combines WIDESCREEN and multimedia performance with ergonomic flexibility. Improve productivity and save time with widescreen versatility. Display multiple pages, larger spreadsheets and more on a single screen without the need to swap. HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT, tilt and 360° swivel f...
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Samueru
https://www.viewsonic.com/es/products/sheet/VG1930wm The manual is dated from 2005 lol how good is that monitor compared to today's standards?
WIDESCREEN BRO
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1440x900, what a blast from the past
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Egdarska
1440x900, what a blast from the past
I like the 19:10 aspect ratio, it allows me to have to some floating windows over the current window without them interfering too much (edited)
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5:4 master race
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For example I can have the music player like that on the top corner as a pop up window, on a 16:9 display that would take too much vertical space.
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wouldn't resolution matter more? also, i can find new 5:4 monitors but they're all 1280x1024 (edited)
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Egdarska
wouldn't resolution matter more? also, i can find new 5:4 monitors but they're all 1280x1024 (edited)
Not really, iirc newer laptops are coming as 16:10 because it is better for text and similar stuff
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yeah, but i mean on a larger display, specially considering that is just 900p
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@exio4 I forgot the trade agreement act was a thing and got confused for a moment
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Egdarska
@exio4 I forgot the trade agreement act was a thing and got confused for a moment
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/1/2024 5:13 AM
no way an LG 4K monitor that's compliant with Temporal Anti-Aliasing 🤯🤯
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:24 AM
hm, factorio runs way faster with zink than with the opengl driver
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(zink = opengl over vulkan)
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the linux version of BeamNG.Drive:
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The Arch Linux based CachyOS Linux distribution aims to be a 'blazingly fast and customizable Linux distribution' that is aggressive with its performance optimizations.
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Samueru
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the linux version of BeamNG.Drive:
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Egdarska
Click to see attachment 🖼️
AlsoAinsley 3/1/2024 7:41 AM
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 8:01 AM
Those two are great
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@exio4 are there games that use almost 4GB even at the lowest settings, so impossible to even start on a 3GB card? I want to know if there's a game where the 960 could beat the 970 just by virtue of actually having 4GB instead of 3.5 (edited)
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@exio4 are there games that use almost 4GB even at the lowest settings, so impossible to even start on a 3GB card? I want to know if there's a game where the 960 could beat the 970 just by virtue of actually having 4GB instead of 3.5 (edited)
Beamng on linux is one, you can play barely at a mix of low/lowest setttings, I don't see it working with 2GB cards though
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the linux version of BeamNG.Drive:
Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 1:11 PM
Unsupported linux man
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Metal Mario
Communist? I don't get it. excuse me? But I'm going to start saving money about for a decent DDR :). Also sorry if I'm replying later. I've been working on something else for personal reasons.
squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 1:55 PM
Our decent DDR.
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rizzsensei 3/1/2024 2:04 PM
im not able to connect my 4th ps4 controller to my pc i can connect my other 3 tho is there a work around this. I have heard that getting a better bluetooth usb reciever may work but idk any fixes? to get my 4th controller to connect i have to use a wired connection.
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Metal Mario
Communist? I don't get it. excuse me? But I'm going to start saving money about for a decent DDR :). Also sorry if I'm replying later. I've been working on something else for personal reasons.
squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 2:10 PM
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rizzsensei
im not able to connect my 4th ps4 controller to my pc i can connect my other 3 tho is there a work around this. I have heard that getting a better bluetooth usb reciever may work but idk any fixes? to get my 4th controller to connect i have to use a wired connection.
squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 2:14 PM
It's a limit of BT receivers due to the spec itself. It's not something you can work around unless you have multiple receivers, or you wire some controllers in. (edited)
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It's a limit of BT receivers due to the spec itself. It's not something you can work around unless you have multiple receivers, or you wire some controllers in. (edited)
rizzsensei 3/1/2024 2:15 PM
so getting a better reciever works then? cuz my laptop already supports bluetooth but i think its kinda rubbish only supports 3 ?? (edited)
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so getting a better reciever works then? cuz my laptop already supports bluetooth but i think its kinda rubbish only supports 3 ?? (edited)
squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 2:15 PM
What version of BT does your laptop support?
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squanchy 🥗
What version of BT does your laptop support?
rizzsensei 3/1/2024 2:16 PM
it says the LMP number is 10.256 which according to the internet is 5.1 which says can support 7 but thats clearly wrong i think i have a weaker version idk maybe cuz lapotp idk my laptop is fairly old now like 5 years (edited)
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squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 2:18 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/DolphinEmulator/comments/135ugoz/pc_cant_keep_4_ds_controllers_connected/ "Anyway, have you tried lowering the polling rate on DS4Windows? Try changing to the lowest option (62 Hz if I recall correctly), that option is on the "Other" tab, when editing a profile. If you're using any light effect for the DS4 light bar, also try setting it to a single, static color instead, it seems to help..." So basically if you reduce the polling frequency you free up bandwidth for more controllers.
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rizzsensei 3/1/2024 2:18 PM
but isnt that bad cuz there will be latency or not as fast
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squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 2:23 PM
Pretty much, but given you only want one extra controller, it should be ok. E.g. I have mine at 250Hz and I can have three connected at once. So maybe try 200 and 166Hz with four controllers? Keep going down the list. Of course, the lower the polling, the worse input latency and jitter will be. (edited)
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And tbh I should probably have changed it to 1000Hz (1kHz) given I play Tekken and some moves need frame-accuracy (1/60th of a second input windows). That's 16.67 milliseconds. 4 milliseconds of wait (potentially) might have been what was ruining my EWGFs. 😭 (edited)
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Steven Vigo 3/1/2024 2:38 PM
It’s ok if I keep my yuzu user folder in a new pc? I just need to keep my save files in the cleanest way possible
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Steven Vigo
It’s ok if I keep my yuzu user folder in a new pc? I just need to keep my save files in the cleanest way possible
deadlybydsgn 3/1/2024 2:40 PM
Yeah, I just installed the program (to create the folders in the weird user data areas) and then transferred the folder when I moved to my new build (edited)
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Steven Vigo 3/1/2024 2:40 PM
Ok, that’s perfect
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deadlybydsgn 3/1/2024 2:41 PM
I'm always paranoid enough to keep a spare copy of my save folder somewhere until I'm sure it works fine on the new machine
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Steven Vigo 3/1/2024 2:48 PM
Yeah, same… but I want to make sure I don’t keep any junk or some legacy setting
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deadlybydsgn 3/1/2024 2:55 PM
It's funny how much less I've been Yuzu-ing since my upgrade. It makes me wish I had done it before I was 95% of the way "done" with TotK
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Steven Vigo 3/1/2024 3:42 PM
I forced myself to stop almost any gaming months ago for that reason! I am 0% in Totk and completely spoiler free
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deadlybydsgn 3/1/2024 3:55 PM
There are still tons of side quests to do, but I got the items I care about and beat the final story sequence. I don't think I even unlocked all of the map regions. One of the things I did to keep the game fresh was to deliberately keep parts of the map locked so I wouldn't know exactly where I was going
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But I played really regularly for a good 4-5 months and then just kind of lost interest. It's like eating your favorite food too many times in a row. You will always enjoy it, but your palate eventually gets maxed out and you need to stop. I really enjoyed TotK and know I would miss the depths/sky areas if I tried to replay BotW
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It’s ok if I keep my yuzu user folder in a new pc? I just need to keep my save files in the cleanest way possible
squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 4:01 PM
Yes, that's how I do it. I just have a C:\Games\ folder with all of my emulators, saves, mods, settings, screenshots etc. in it. Then I just mirror that folder to a backup location every once in a while. That way, I can restore everything to how it was if I decide to reformat etc. (edited)
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BUT @Steven Vigo you should set your emulators to use portable profiles. That way the profile folder will be stored within your Yuzu application folder. Makes management+backup way easier.
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Is this a good deal?
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squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 4:20 PM
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh I wouldn't buy a 1200p 13.4" laptop. Shit's gon' be huge dawg. Also the CPU is very out of date, and will be power hungry.
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i would if it has pen support (edited)
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I would advise against buying that
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BUT @Steven Vigo you should set your emulators to use portable profiles. That way the profile folder will be stored within your Yuzu application folder. Makes management+backup way easier.
Steven Vigo 3/1/2024 5:11 PM
Yes, all my emulators are in portable mode.
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Steven Vigo
Yes, all my emulators are in portable mode.
squanchy 🥗 3/1/2024 5:12 PM
pepebrain
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It do have pen support
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How bad is the out of date CPU?
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Paper
How bad is the out of date CPU?
12500H is pretty ok for a low-power intel cpu but what do you wnat that for
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I'd just buy an amd thinkpad tbh
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The idea is to downsize my pc And make my pc my drawing tablet (edited)
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Here are basically my current specs, I'm away from home btw
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:16 PM
hmm, not sure what's better for drawing, amd or intel gpus guess in this case tis the same
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what about building an itx pc instead
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doesn't particularly matter, you just want lotsa ram
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:18 PM
guess batery life could matter giving an edge to amd but afaik adobe stuff likes ecores (edited)
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The ram amount I have and the ram this has is the same. I have a small galaxy tab 6lite thingy, and I use it for literally just drawing and get moments where it lags because of art size and I look at my pc and think I'd love to have that roughly anywhere like my tablet.
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The ram amount I have and the ram this has is the same. I have a small galaxy tab 6lite thingy, and I use it for literally just drawing and get moments where it lags because of art size and I look at my pc and think I'd love to have that roughly anywhere like my tablet.
Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 6:22 PM
8 k drawing (edited)
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Downsizing and merging uses is the main goal for me
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 6:25 PM
Wait, can you draw this?
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I'm working rn
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 6:28 PM
Ok
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So would you guys say this would be a good pc change?
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:44 PM
as long as you don't get intel-drivers-moment'd, it could work i'm not a fan of downgrades though, already did it once, never again
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Wait how big a downgrade is this hardware wise?
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:45 PM
what's your current hardware?
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Paper
Here are basically my current specs, I'm away from home btw
here
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:46 PM
it's an upgrade in CPU, and a big downgrade in GPU
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if the only use is drawing, it should be fine
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I think I'd be fine I have a steam deck for games anyhow
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:48 PM
the tl;dr with intel iGPUs is that they rock for desktop use, beat AMD in that aspect, but are useless for gaming
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the tl;dr with intel iGPUs is that they rock for desktop use, beat AMD in that aspect, but are useless for gaming
Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 6:50 PM
(Unless you are gaming on very old games)
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hmm, not sure what's better for drawing, amd or intel gpus guess in this case tis the same
I've drawn on a thinkpad with a ryzen 7 series and it was 👌 By 7 i mean it was a 7xxx, forget which specific one (edited)
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That sounds pretty ok for me but what about game streaming like steam linking
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 6:51 PM
that's up to the encoding pc, the decoding one will be the same regardless
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Thank you
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Egdarska
I've drawn on a thinkpad with a ryzen 7 series and it was 👌 By 7 i mean it was a 7xxx, forget which specific one (edited)
could be zen3 or zen4 or zen3+
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exio4
could be zen3 or zen4 or zen3+
Do all of them have rdna2 gpu? The one i used wasn't vega
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Egdarska
Do all of them have rdna2 gpu? The one i used wasn't vega
Zen2 is RDNA2 (Mendocino, low-end only though), Zen3 is Vega, Zen3+ is RDNA2, Zen4 is RDNA4
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Thanks amd They're making chips just so they can go straight to a landfill (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 7:20 PM
indeed, managed to beat intel
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Thanks amd They're making chips just so they can go straight to a landfill (edited)
Mendocino makes sense *if you think of it as a chromebook soc for very low-end devices **if you pay a few hundred tops for the whole device
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 7:23 PM
299 tops
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a mendocino mini PC for $239 with 8GB of RAM as a router acegikMeow
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Give me a use case where 8GB RAM on a router would be used
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Moonlacer
Give me a use case where 8GB RAM on a router would be used
Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 7:27 PM
Streaming 10 gb internet
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 7:27 PM
the best QoS and adware ruleset ever
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Too much work
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exio4
Mendocino makes sense *if you think of it as a chromebook soc for very low-end devices **if you pay a few hundred tops for the whole device
I meant the vegas
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Egdarska
I meant the vegas
oh, yeah, that's amd
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Was the vega vii as funny when it came out as jt is now? I honestly don't remember much about it at the time
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 7:43 PM
vega vii the desktop card, or vega 7 the igpu?
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amd naming
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goldmastersimulations 3/1/2024 8:09 PM
Wasn't that called Radeon VII?
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 8:09 PM
yeah
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Calling it Vega VII is also true, though kek
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GoldenX86_64 3/1/2024 8:11 PM
the radeon 7 was fast but expensive, and didn't last long HBM memory has a short lifespan
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it was a compute monster - without cuda
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exio4
Zen2 is RDNA2 (Mendocino, low-end only though), Zen3 is Vega, Zen3+ is RDNA2, Zen4 is RDNA4
Nethan10Troi 3/1/2024 8:58 PM
Zen 4 is RDNA 2.
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Nethan10Troi
Zen 4 is RDNA 2.
RDNA3, not 2, i fucked up but so did you 🙏
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exio4
RDNA3, not 2, i fucked up but so did you 🙏
Nethan10Troi 3/1/2024 8:59 PM
its RDNA 2
9:01 PM
if you mean mobile chips, its a different story - mobile is.. messier (edited)
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Laptops are mobile yeah
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the context was a thinkpad, i named the ultrabook naming scheme, if you want to specify that other chips exist thats very cool but it's just somebody being obnoxious because they wanna smart and it fucking annoys me, kindly get off your dumbass horse (edited)
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technically DragonRange exists on mobile, it's just that it is desktop-replacement chip, so you won't find that on a "drawing tablet/laptop", it's irrelevant for the actual comparison at hand (edited)
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Laptops are mobile yeah
Nethan10Troi 3/1/2024 9:06 PM
yeah mobile naming is.. sadge pain2
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 9:08 PM
40 minutes battery life : (
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40 minutes battery life : (
if you have 40 minutes of battery life, you indeed have bought the wrong thing, and it's zen4 with rdna2 - but you should be thankful it's 40 minutes and not 20 actually
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Awesomeangotti 3/1/2024 9:09 PM
(Not gaming)
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no, that's the thing, the only devices on mobile with Zen4+RDNA2 are in the DragonRange/HX lineup with mediocre battery life and like 40W idle, it's all e-waste, you should buy Intel in that market
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no, that's the thing, the only devices on mobile with Zen4+RDNA2 are in the DragonRange/HX lineup with mediocre battery life and like 40W idle, it's all e-waste, you should buy Intel in that market
What if i want 40W idle?
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Egdarska
What if i want 40W idle?
the cpu is also slower than intel lol
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exio4
the cpu is also slower than intel lol
What if i want 40W idle and shit performance?
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Egdarska
What if i want 40W idle and shit performance?
you already own a FX-4300 I guess it's for the collection
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6300 but yes. It doesn't even use that much power, 180W at full load overclocked (edited)
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Egdarska
6300 but yes. It doesn't even use that much power, 180W at full load overclocked (edited)
Are you actually still using that cpu?
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Egdarska
6300 but yes. It doesn't even use that much power, 180W at full load overclocked (edited)
deadlybydsgn 3/2/2024 12:13 AM
You’re the captain mango now ✌️🫵👀
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Samueru
Are you actually still using that cpu?
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/2/2024 12:29 AM
i know one individual still using one. :)
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Samueru
Are you actually still using that cpu?
No lol. Used it until 2022 tho
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Egdarska
No lol. Used it until 2022 tho
Oh ok, yeah 2 masochists on the discord would be too many lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/2/2024 12:44 AM
i was gonna object to that but i remembered that i really am a self-proclaimed masochist so yeah carry on
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Samueru
Oh ok, yeah 2 masochists on the discord would be too many lol
Yo we can say the M word now
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Egdarska
Yo we can say the M word now
(a)md owner
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__fastcall 3/2/2024 1:44 AM
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Maggot
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 1:50 AM
"Man I wish VRAM wasn't this expensive"
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nvidia/apple owners be like
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 1:55 AM
Me included, stuck in 8GB hell
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but still, AMD has a solid win that most vendors cannot beat, pixels per 1080p encode - who else can say that?
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 1:56 AM
In a year the 3070 will be slower than the 12gb 3060
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Making an elephant out of an ant by now with that one
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GoldenX86_64
Making an elephant out of an ant by now with that one
it's AV1, though, the (most likely) next H264 lol H265 also does 1082p but the spec allows for metadata to vibe it out - and AV1 still looks better than HEVC on AMD anyway, so you'd want to use if you can
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 1:59 AM
Meh next cards will fix it, it's already confirmed Look at nvidia, they solved the Volta encoder of gtx 1600 just now (edited)
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Didn't see you mention it daily
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what issue did they have
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Only took 5 years
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i haven't heard of those issues before, i'll take it, usually the older encoder was known to be lower quality, but i didn't know it actually reliable generated corrupted files
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:02 AM
I suffered them while recording for articles
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Nvidia also has AMD moments
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yea ik, i just hadn't heard of the volta encoders suffering this specifically, i mean, nvidia+microsoft had the chrome rendering bug for like 2 years and it's only fixed on the dev build of windows rn
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Me included, stuck in 8GB hell
I'm in 6GB 3060 purgatory
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:04 AM
Hell
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Egdarska
I'm in 6GB 3060 purgatory
just buy AMD next time Clueless
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:05 AM
Jokes aside, a 6600 can be faster now due to games eating vram like candies
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Lol, rt on a 6600
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:05 AM
Lol rt with 6gb
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@Egdarska uses blender regularly, and nvenc, and the tensor cores, and dlss (because it improves IQ) so i'd like to see the 6600 comparison (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:06 AM
Just get a 4070
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It works in the games i play with rt, which is mostly re8, but also yeah, amd is not even an option for me
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Egdarska
It works in the games i play with rt, which is mostly re8, but also yeah, amd is not even an option for me
most games where RT would be useful in AMD, you'd still want to use DLAA/DLSS Ultra Quality with dlsstweaks/DLSS Quality at higher resolutions for the better overall TAA anyway
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:08 AM
Meh, how expensive can a 4070 be
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most games where RT would be useful in AMD, you'd still want to use DLAA/DLSS Ultra Quality with dlsstweaks/DLSS Quality at higher resolutions for the better overall TAA anyway
Nuh uh I'm gonna do rt native 4k 60fps on a 6800
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a friend's 4070 Ti is so fucking wild, guy got a 3700X so he's always cpu bound that gpu is so fucking fast dude lol (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:09 AM
Sounds like Formula 1 fans arguing while driving a Peugeot 206
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GoldenX86_64
Sounds like Formula 1 fans arguing while driving a Peugeot 206
for the shit we do, all AMD gpus are more like those soviet cars from the 60s than a peugeot 206 don't make me tap the blender sign (edited)
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I don't know enough about cars to know what that means
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:11 AM
It means complaining while using low end products
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My low end gpu is infinitely better than amd's flagship at what i need it to do so that's irrelevant
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we're on low-end nvidia because the alternative is gpus from amd that performed like low-end nvidia from a decade prior, if they even run the thing for our workload - I explicitly got my 2060 Super for AI shit
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:12 AM
But why not a 4090
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Because that costs money and laptop 4090 is lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:13 AM
Your use case is nvidia, you have all the right to use nvidia But shilling every day about it gets boring fast
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because budgets are limited? and we buy what we can afford? this isn't shocking, you look at value, and so do we, the performance difference between NVIDIA & AMD is about infinite because AMD can't run the shit I want (at all)
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It's not shilling, you brought up the 6600, i was just saying why that's not an option for me
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:14 AM
Nvidia is turning its users into Tesla owners
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I brought up the 6600 for gaming, mentioning how 8gb cards will overtake 6gb ones soon, could have used the 8gb 3050
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yeah, and gaming includes DLSS/Reflex, so it's not even a real win (edited)
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Like, i hate that they gimped the mobile card so hard with 6GB, but it was the affordable option for me and it works
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:15 AM
We already have examples of the 3060 beating the 3070, in RT, with DLSS
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The moment amd is brought up for a gaming example, shill mode turns on
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Also, the 6GB does piss me off a lot because re4 just plain crashes with rt, and it's not even good looking rt
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:17 AM
DLSS doesn't solve low VRAM, nor does NVENC
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The moment amd is brought up for a gaming example, shill mode turns on
It's not shilling, in my case it's being mad at amd for forcing me to buy nvidia Intel looks cool though, might be the savior next arch (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:18 AM
We all waiting to see battlemage, lol, that's for sure
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If someone can actually fight cuda, it's Intel
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We already have examples of the 3060 beating the 3070, in RT, with DLSS
yeah, but the 6600 isn't Ampere, but my 2060S is a better product, still, I have tried the RX 6600 XT - my closest IRL friend got one
  • the encoder is trash for PCVR (this is gaming)
  • the GPU is e-waste at 4K gaming (FSR2 Performance? blobVomiting DLSS Performance? it's alright, XeSS Performance is like 20 fps so it is irrelevant)
  • Cyberpunk 2077 had better frames in raster but it felt sluggish as fuck on a side-by-side with Reflex enabled, and at 1440p it would look worse anyway lol the part I'm coping is that my 2060 Super is not good, it should be trash by now, it should be something so obsolete nobody is even looking at it and go like "oh that scores some wins", Turing is gonna be 6 years old soon, and 2060 super is the "good one" out of the "year late pricing"
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All I'm asking of intel or amd is usable compute software, I'll take shit upscaling and encoding if i can just run the things i need with good vram amounts But intel does have good upscaling so it's looking like the winner (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:20 AM
I expect Intel to do better there faster
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But if this is just a "Intel better improve so nvidia gets cheaper" moment, I'll laugh
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why the fuck is my 2060 Super's still having Ws against AMD? Turing is contemporary to Ryzen 2000 on desktop
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And the reason i shit on amd so much is that I'm mad because cuda has been a thing and basically the only solution for over 15 years and amd is still fucking about with a half baked half working solution that is not even feature complete when the stars align and it works
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yeah, but the 6600 isn't Ampere, but my 2060S is a better product, still, I have tried the RX 6600 XT - my closest IRL friend got one
  • the encoder is trash for PCVR (this is gaming)
  • the GPU is e-waste at 4K gaming (FSR2 Performance? blobVomiting DLSS Performance? it's alright, XeSS Performance is like 20 fps so it is irrelevant)
  • Cyberpunk 2077 had better frames in raster but it felt sluggish as fuck on a side-by-side with Reflex enabled, and at 1440p it would look worse anyway lol the part I'm coping is that my 2060 Super is not good, it should be trash by now, it should be something so obsolete nobody is even looking at it and go like "oh that scores some wins", Turing is gonna be 6 years old soon, and 2060 super is the "good one" out of the "year late pricing"
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:22 AM
AMF sucks, no way around that 4k on a 6600 is ridiculous, you don't do 4k on the 2060, i barely do 1440p on the 3060ti, keep it real Gotta wait and see if antilag+ fixes that, but i don't have much hope, reflex is just king for now
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But if this is just a "Intel better improve so nvidia gets cheaper" moment, I'll laugh
I mean, I'm still buying a product, intel's has to be either decent and a lot cheaper, or as good. If it's not as good and nvidia's is the same price then there's no reason to buy the inferior one
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:23 AM
AMD had to get out of FX and then beat Xeon first Nvidia had no competition from anyone for a decade Intel literally did nothing in those 10 years
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it's Bulldozer yet again, with "raster if you ignore input lag and image quality" as the new multithreading performance and I second @Egdarska because I gave them the benefit of the doubt, and near RDNA3's launch they just gave up? and management told the engineers to spend all of their time on fixing a broken architecture that wasn't ready? Anti-Lag+ was RDNA3 exclusive, 6600 doesn't get it, it's a cope I didn't say native 4K, DLSS Performance at 4K is perfectly viable, it only has a ~2.5ms budget so that leaves you to "getting to 70-75 fps at native 1080p to hit upscaled 4K"
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AMD had to get out of FX and then beat Xeon first Nvidia had no competition from anyone for a decade Intel literally did nothing in those 10 years
Wdym, intel made the gpus used by 90% of emulator users Based hd3000 (edited)
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it's Bulldozer yet again, with "raster if you ignore input lag and image quality" as the new multithreading performance and I second @Egdarska because I gave them the benefit of the doubt, and near RDNA3's launch they just gave up? and management told the engineers to spend all of their time on fixing a broken architecture that wasn't ready? Anti-Lag+ was RDNA3 exclusive, 6600 doesn't get it, it's a cope I didn't say native 4K, DLSS Performance at 4K is perfectly viable, it only has a ~2.5ms budget so that leaves you to "getting to 70-75 fps at native 1080p to hit upscaled 4K"
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:25 AM
You don't drive 4k with 6gb, you don't with 8 DLSS doesn't allow you to increase texture quality DLSS doesn't give you VRAM to fit RT if you previously couldn't
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why the fuck is my 2060 Super's still having Ws against AMD? Turing is contemporary to Ryzen 2000 on desktop
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:26 AM
Because Nvidia has the money, AMD doesn't, and Intel basically runs on reserves now
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You're fueling an incoming monopoly
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I never got that argument, so people should use their money to buy inferior products because it's better for the market? It's like weebs saying we should buy the shitty localizations because otherwise we won't get the good ones later. (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:28 AM
No, but just be aware of the outcome later
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You don't drive 4k with 6gb, you don't with 8 DLSS doesn't allow you to increase texture quality DLSS doesn't give you VRAM to fit RT if you previously couldn't
you play at 1080p, but upscale to 4K, don't run the game on ultra but medium/high and unless it's one of the broken ones it will be fine, and the issues will be worse on 8GB amd cards vs 8GB nvidia cards anyway I mentioned my gpu in particular, I'm not saying 8GB is good, it's mid at best, but my GPU is almost 4 years old, and the architecture is almost 6, why can't I get a card that truly replaces it from anybody but NVIDIA? they saw Tensor cores back in the Volta era - Volta is from 2017; they did listen, they put Tensor on CDNA, but they made a switchero and told consumers to fuck off with a Kepler 2.0
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:28 AM
Geforce matters as much as what production H100 leaves free
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B100 will make it worse
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you play at 1080p, but upscale to 4K, don't run the game on ultra but medium/high and unless it's one of the broken ones it will be fine, and the issues will be worse on 8GB amd cards vs 8GB nvidia cards anyway I mentioned my gpu in particular, I'm not saying 8GB is good, it's mid at best, but my GPU is almost 4 years old, and the architecture is almost 6, why can't I get a card that truly replaces it from anybody but NVIDIA? they saw Tensor cores back in the Volta era - Volta is from 2017; they did listen, they put Tensor on CDNA, but they made a switchero and told consumers to fuck off with a Kepler 2.0
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:29 AM
And run 4k textures, not 1080p ones
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that's cool, maybe by then they manage to beat the 3050
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:30 AM
By then, the 5050 will be a 96 bit wide card with 8gb and cost 450 bucks, because dlss4 will do 8:1 interpolation
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Workloads will improve Gaming will continue to be meh
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If next round is even more tight for AIBs, EVGA/XFX moments will continue to happen
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it's gonna be reprojection hopefully, like VR - in Virtual Reality all frames are fake, I'm fine embracing the post-raster world, some aren't, because they are confused about rendering techniques tho https://developer.oculus.com/blog/introducing-application-spacewarp/ this with NVIDIA magic and for PC games would be fire
Application SpaceWarp (AppSW) is a developer-driven optimization technology that can unlock extra computation power for suitable content. In our initial testing, Application SpaceWarp gave applications up to 70 percent additional compute, potentially with little to no perceptible artifacts.
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:32 AM
Leaving buffer for the 1 minite limit
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it's gonna be reprojection hopefully, like VR - in Virtual Reality all frames are fake, I'm fine embracing the post-raster world, some aren't, because they are confused about rendering techniques tho https://developer.oculus.com/blog/introducing-application-spacewarp/ this with NVIDIA magic and for PC games would be fire
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:32 AM
As long as it isn't another Ada framegen cost of entry
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Tech is fine, prices are not
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As long as it isn't another Ada framegen cost of entry
frame gen is different, it adds a lot of input lag; reprojection is this basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvqrlgKuowE
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:33 AM
Reprojection sounds awesome, but it better not be gatekeeped like framegen
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"Pay 600 bucks to not buy a downgrade GPU to use it" (edited)
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it'll be gatekeeped for higher ratios, 100% lol, the reason games don't just do it is because it would look shit in a lot of situations
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:36 AM
Then I'm not a fan
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NVIDIA can "solve" that by throwing compute at the problem (haha Tensor go brr), and give skilled researchers and engineers the resources to cook some shit if they make their OFA engine much more capable, it'd help too - they could run it on Ada at a lower quality and ratio tho
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:37 AM
Nvidia basically made the console market the king of budget gaming with this bullarse
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And that's the biggest L of the decade
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Then I'm not a fan
why? like, actually, why? - do you feel the same of Mesh Shaders, Pixel Shaders, Compute Shaders, Programmable GPUs? like, this is just tech advancing, they will likely gatekeep the higher ratios (hopefully lower ratios come to older cards) because you will need a shitton of compute
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:38 AM
Igpus have mesh shaders
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But only the 4060 downgrade has "usable framegen" as per your definition
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And that's a nasty trend
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not @Egdarska's iGPU actually, it doesn't, and most didn't until very recently, did you forget Vega doesn't do them? what, what do you mean by the 4060 downgrade thing (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:39 AM
Your deck has mesh shaders
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It's 350 bucks
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If progress is gatekeeped beyond just asking for a new purchase, by also demanding a stupid price, I'm not a fan
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Vega allowed people to run games while Intel had gen9 graphics at least
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Vega could actually do blender
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the price is because line must go up, that's capitalism doing its thing, in that case, you better hope I don't drink
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:42 AM
Reminder Intel iGPUs can't do compute and rendering at the same time
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the price is because line must go up, that's capitalism doing its thing, in that case, you better hope I don't drink
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:42 AM
Capitalism good, got it
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Most existing gpus can "do" blender, not all of them can offer a usable experience. I'd rather use my cpu than try to do viewport cycles with vega
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:43 AM
Try gen9
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Imagine a fool with a dual core skylake trying to do blender
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Vega shipped on (mostly?) ryzen cpus, and most of them had enough cores that they outperformed the GPU's shitty compute stack with AVX2 my sister's 4300U has worse blender performance on the iGPU vs the 4 non-hyperthreaded cores (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:43 AM
Vs a ryzen with a vega
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The point is the vega is wasted trying to do blender, you're better off just using the cpu (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:45 AM
And it was still better than Intel with hd620, or nvidia with zero igpus
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My priority is the market, the entire market, not the 4090 buyers or the 4090 dreamers
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My priority is buying something that works, and by this point i should have more than one option If all aligns maybe I'll have two in a couple years 🙏 (edited)
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you won't buy enough AMD gpus to make them good, and buying an inferior product just fucks you first and foremost, you can check reddit and see AMD CPU engineers regret their XTX purchase lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:46 AM
Right now, you have the 4060, which sucks and costs 50% of a PC The RDNA3 iGPUs And Xe2 Pick
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Ah yeah the budget is 400 bucks
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Buy new
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if the budget is 400 bucks you don't have an RDNA3 IGP, you have Vega, it's shit lol (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:48 AM
That's the market right now
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if the budget is 400 bucks you don't have an RDNA3 IGP, you have Vega, it's shit lol (edited)
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:48 AM
Am5 apus with zen4c
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Hell, the deck is still a better low end system than going Intel
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And nvidia dropped out of here, you better have money or eat 6gb scraps
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Plus, Vega still runs more games than Xe
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Windows or Linux
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yeah this is all because NVIDIA has been too good at it, if they were worse like Intel was, then AMD could eventually recovering from their severe case of skill issue and we'll get good gpus after years of stagnation thankfully NVIDIA isn't intel and all gens have been massive leads in the non-raster side of things Turing was a massive leap forward for compute, and games eventually leveraged its feature set + Tensor was a huge finewine W, actually better purchase than a lot of GPUs at the time, a Pascal GPU offered "better value in GTA V", and look where that went - the RTX lineup only had the problem that Pascal was "too good" at obsolete tech, and improving these at the same pace was not viable with the balance they made 3060 Ti outperforms the 2080 Ti in almost all compute & RT (but Ampere was one of the worst generations ever made in like a decade with the VRAM stagnation - I was hyped for the 3070 16GB rumors, it put all of its "basket" on being good value for the people that explicitly buy off perf/$ charts, ignoring what you can do with it, and mining fucked that shit up so hard it was all copium) 4070 outperforms the 3090 in RT & tensor (and has new features, with a massive efficiency leap, and offers more VRAM across most of the stack)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:53 AM
And we pay the price of that progress with a shit low end
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thankfully you always have the choice to buy a GPU architecturally worse than Turing on a budget! just like bulldozer back in the day 🙏 (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:55 AM
When you're on a budget, fps wins
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You're not taking the place of the low end kid deciding between a PC and a console The console wins
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Oh look, nvidia is not there
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Only Nintendo is crazy enough to go for 10 years old nvidia waste and make it work
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personally, after seeing DLSS at 1440p, I can't cope with AMD, modern DLSS Quality is good enough I want that level of performance per tier from AMD, to "match" raster, they need another tier to offer an actual perf/$ advantage
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 2:57 AM
Ok, why is the 3050 6gb the example of that?
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They can do better than that
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It's literally more expensive than the 6600
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no? get a used 2060 super - marketplace has lots of them for $170-220 here, it will be as efficient as rdna2 on raster and better than a lot of things, you don’t even have any major W on the lower end rdna2 cards because vram is the same, encoder is worse, you get afmf and av1 decoding exclusively
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:00 AM
Used, no warranty
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Goalpost change
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If we're going used, you can find a mytical 3090 for 200 bucks
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yeah well a working gpu is already not a thing going with amd, nvidia does the apple method- pick older gpus if you want value
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:01 AM
That's a stretch and you know it
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New card is new
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You can find an used 3090 for 400 bucks Risk the mining damage it has on your own
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it is, but you are defending practically buying a 6500 XT because the alternative is a 1030? just accept amd is bad at this lol
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yeah it sucks that the low end is trash, don’t buy there, or pick older stuff, or go alternative (console) - defending bad gpus because the alternative is mid is wild, both gpus there are trash, its like comparing pentiums with bulldozer chips, the real shit is neither of these, you are picking the expired meat that will make you the least sick
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mid range is kinda cooked, but a 4060 ti 16G for 430 is where the market starts rn imo
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hopefully for the next gen the “cheaper mid range” ada gpus becomes decently cheap
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yeah it sucks that the low end is trash, don’t buy there, or pick older stuff, or go alternative (console) - defending bad gpus because the alternative is mid is wild, both gpus there are trash, its like comparing pentiums with bulldozer chips, the real shit is neither of these, you are picking the expired meat that will make you the least sick
Kind of a bad comparison, my fx could run every workload. Like shit but it could.
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Kind of a bad comparison, my fx could run every workload. Like shit but it could.
yeah, it’s even worse than bulldozer, because i picked the bulldozer chip to do virtualization on the cheap… but saying bulldozer already gets me called a hater so i don’t wanna push it
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:14 AM
You have an xe and need a gpu between those two 6500xt all the way, nvidia can shove their 1030 where in doesn't raster
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That's my point, most people are in that scenario
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Just don't be poor is the worst argument ever
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No one said that, i specifically chose mine because it was discounted after the new laptops came out, the point is that regardless of whether it's a "better value", amd gpus are simply worse
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:15 AM
Where is the nvidia igpu
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amd for anything but pure rasterization is like Xe, that includes discord calls btw
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And i shouldn't have to buy a worse product to help the small indie company make better gpus in the future
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And i shouldn't have to buy a worse product to help the small indie company make better gpus in the future
small indie multi billion dollar company that apparently can’t hire enough engineers with work life balance getting worse year on year somehow 🙏
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:17 AM
You don't have to, but nvidia doesn't cover the entire market AMD is always worse is a shill That means your can game with an uhd 770
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Do it
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I tried
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You don't have to, but nvidia doesn't cover the entire market AMD is always worse is a shill That means your can game with an uhd 770
I didn't say worse than intel igpus, that's something you came up with
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amd for anything but pure rasterization is like Xe, that includes discord calls btw
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:19 AM
This is one
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for AI shit, cpus are faster than amd unless you specifically code shit for them and are explicitly memory bandwidth bound, for blender and encoding, ryzen is better than their igps (edited)
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That's probably wrong, i doubt xe encoders are worse than amd's, so intel wins the discord call (edited)
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That's probably wrong, i doubt xe encoders are worse than amd's, so intel wins the discord call (edited)
i fucked the wording like Xe for gaming
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:21 AM
Ryzen is better than Vega for encoding, not RDNA3 Hip RT is better for blender than a quad core ryzen Again, you're stuck in the 1000 usd pc/laptop
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Ryzen is better than Vega for encoding, not RDNA3 Hip RT is better for blender than a quad core ryzen Again, you're stuck in the 1000 usd pc/laptop
Hiprt using what igpu? If you're arguing for budget then it's vega
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i fucked the wording like Xe for gaming
meant to say if you do anything but raster, you want Xe - if you do raster, you want Radeon; meant to say that intel encoders are actually good, and their compute stack is improving, my bad there
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Egdarska
Hiprt using what igpu? If you're arguing for budget then it's vega
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:22 AM
Again, zen4c am5 apus
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meant to say if you do anything but raster, you want Xe - if you do raster, you want Radeon; meant to say that intel encoders are actually good, and their compute stack is improving, my bad there
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:23 AM
That's a real fact there
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Again, zen4c am5 apus
6500XT of combos, buying single channel DDR5 to make it work, also, i doubt it, my steamdeck was worse on the gpu when i tried it (right after i got it, it might have improved with drivers and the decks weird soc might not help) (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:24 AM
But raster is still the king for gaming if you can't buy an rtx 4060ti 16gb
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6500XT of combos, buying single channel DDR5 to make it work, also, i doubt it, my steamdeck was worse on the gpu when i tried it (right after i got it, it might have improved with drivers and the decks weird soc might not help) (edited)
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:25 AM
I3 and 6500xt is a better deal for gaming But try encoding with an igpu and rendering with a dgpu that has no encoders, its useless for the discord call
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it isn’t king anymore bro, all demanding games come with dlss now lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:26 AM
And all games need medium textures if you don't have 12gb
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And medium textures look worse than console
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Meaning the 500 usd sony trash is better
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that’s vram, not raster, did you mistype? and yes the consoles are better value than any low end amd gpus
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:27 AM
You put the 4060ti 16gb as the starting point
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Anything under it sucks, thank you Nvidia gave the low end market to consoles, the worst L of the decade
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amd cant do compute, so any non gaming workload is not really worth mentioning, a 1660 ti is gonna outperform amd on the low end because it runs, and i mentioned it for “no (major) compromises pcs”
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:29 AM
And lacks dlss, the 1660 is a worse gaming card than a 6600, and it's stuck to fsr
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yeah i don’t like it, i mention it for comedic effect, although xess should run decently on it vs rdna2 iirc
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:29 AM
Tested it, sucks on both
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The % loss is higher on the 6600, but it still outperforms the 1660 super
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Exio's going to hate this but if you're really strapped for money and need blender a pascal is a better value than nvidia's low end or amd. Get mad bro (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:31 AM
Truth kek
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In the end an used 1070 wins
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Exio's going to hate this but if you're really strapped for money and need blender a pascal is a better value than nvidia's low end or amd. Get mad bro (edited)
nah it’s legit i don’t mind pascal like i said, its the 1080 ti is relevant for gaming crowd that i hate
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:31 AM
8gb, blender, encoding, low price, driver support
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Pascal just doesn't fucking die
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But yeah 100% with exio, the 1080ti forever gang is a fool
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nah it’s legit i don’t mind pascal like i said, its the 1080 ti is relevant for gaming crowd that i hate
My bro suffering with a 1080 non-ti trying to play new games But at least ghost recon runs good tho (edited)
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it does, with fp16, or mesh shaders, or llms
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:33 AM
Or async compute or... But it's still a better deal
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Nvidia must hate pascal
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1080 ti, the mistake they swore to never make again
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my 2060 super still does 4 times the tokens per second on small llms vs a 6900 XT kek
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:34 AM
Cuda is no joke
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15 years of consistent progress pay
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How will Intel tackle that?
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With XMX?
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i am tensor dependent rn, can’t go to a gpu that doesn’t have them cuz its a downgrade, i cope about this because i want choice and it doesn’t exist, i would have a worse experience with an XTX - know multiple people that upgraded to Ada from an XTX aka RDNA3
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:36 AM
Speaking of llama and blender Are there benches of xdna?
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I wanna see pro vega
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yes, but no - there are some but only the ones in amds repository, because nothing else uses it to this day (practically)
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15 years of consistent progress pay
More like 10 years of slow progress and then insane gains for 5
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yes, but no - there are some but only the ones in amds repository, because nothing else uses it to this day (practically)
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:36 AM
Kek
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More like 10 years of slow progress and then insane gains for 5
GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:37 AM
Nah, cuda improved gradually, the pro market has been on cuda since the gtx 8800
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Optix is not a result of the ai boom
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it’s basically useless silicon for now, complain about raytracing cores™️ on lower end gpus but at least blender will use them on a 3050
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The performance per cuda core jumped massively with maxwell and got insane with pascal, it wasn't very gradual for all those years (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:38 AM
And that marks the beginning of the end of geforce
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Thankfully no switch game used cuda for physics, emulate that on amd or intel (edited)
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Damn, now i want to see an igpu trying to emulate witcher 3 with hairworks
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it isn’t the end, its when i started caring because i couldn’t justify spending hundreds of dollars on gaming alone, and for raster i will keep upscaling until its useless kek
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i played at 640x480 and 30 fps, its fine, but the games booted, amd doesn’t even run compute shit; link golden the alienware review @Egdarska lol
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Though hairworks is actually just hair cards, but tessellated. The smoke simulations in the arkham game would be better
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:42 AM
Wonder if the switch arkham games use the cpu smoke
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Ohh ps5 pro may use an xdna2 npus
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-7900M-performance-debut-Alienware-m18-R1-laptop-review.771237.0.html you mean the laptop with the discontinued gpu that couldn't run the tests for review?
AMD knocked it out of the park with its Ryzen series of mobile CPUs, but there's no question that its discrete mobile GPUs have been falling behind. The Radeon RX 7900M rights the ship by being just as powerful as the mobile RTX 4080 for hundreds of dollars less.
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:43 AM
Wonder what will sony do with it
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-7900M-performance-debut-Alienware-m18-R1-laptop-review.771237.0.html you mean the laptop with the discontinued gpu that couldn't run the tests for review?
yes, the amd experience laptop
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:44 AM
Imagine buying a huge dgpu on a laptop and it's not nvidia
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Wonder if the switch arkham games use the cpu smoke
They use the default previous gen billboard smoke, but lower quality All three of those ports are just so fucking awful (edited)
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Arkham city ran fine-ish on wii u, how did they fuck up so bad?
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:46 AM
Kek
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Switch ports get the interns
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good night tho, i need to dlss my sleep schedule 🙏
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Yeah, the wii u even got its own special arkham city edition. Which was mostly just a few suits but still, the game had care.
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 3:48 AM
Doom and witcher still look fugly
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Witcher looks bad enough that i wouldn't want that to be my experience, but it's still a very impressive port. Doom doesn't even look that bad to me, it's mostly just lower quality everything. (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 4:04 AM
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i unironically miss 8.1
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bro this windows 11 update was so amazing, it moved the copilot icon on the taskbar from the left to the right, amazing stuff
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__fastcall 3/2/2024 4:14 AM
i wouldn't know i already disabled it
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my windows 11 is just windows 10 but it takes about 1.5s for explorer to finish painting
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lel
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GoldenX86_64 3/2/2024 5:00 AM
W11 moment
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Awesomeangotti 3/2/2024 5:03 AM
W11 stinky
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✨IDRC✨ 3/2/2024 7:38 AM
can i5's on a laptop run new games pretty okay if your other specs are good?
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Egdarska
bro this windows 11 update was so amazing, it moved the copilot icon on the taskbar from the left to the right, amazing stuff
nah 24h2 has dithering on SDR
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rip
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The year will be 2030, i play games at 360p24 but only the gbuffer is rendered at that resolution, it is then upscaled, denoised and reprojected to 1080p120, the visuals are also using AI tuned, GPU driven stylistic filters and post-raster geometry decompression that somehow run ok, DLSS uses high frame rate motion vectors and predictive modelling to reduce input latency in the frame gen pipeline. NVidia just launched DLSS Meshlets 2 years prior, a tensor driven software rasterizer that makes Nanite obsolete and games not only look better in IQ, but also in straight up better LODs. AMD rereleases Anti-Lag+ for the 5th time, after users got banned on the latest CoD, and once again jebaits Nvidia by changing the pricing of their latest $500 GPU by $75, 5 days after review embargo and 2 days before sales launch.
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deadlybydsgn 3/2/2024 10:58 AM
Oh the things I get to read when I can't sleep
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meow @deadlybydsgn
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deadlybydsgn 3/2/2024 11:03 AM
We did a "sleepover" with our kids, which meant I went to bed at like 9:30 PM. That's probably why I've been up since 5. (an hour ago) We do that sometimes because our kids like to ask to sleep in our beds, and we're usually smart enough to say no. We give in every once in a while, like tonight
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that's cute
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deadlybydsgn 3/2/2024 11:05 AM
It was until I woke up at 5 and started scheduling email campaigns for work. Now I'm just looking up obscure stuff like how to fix my Ship of Harkinian save file to actually have Epona in the OoT native PC port (edited)
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I tried windows 11 on my friends laptop today. Ngl its not that bad
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AlsoAinsley 3/2/2024 11:38 AM
but It IS bad (edited)
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Yeah, I want to stick with Windows 10 but it'll practically die in a year and a half. I guess I'll just jump to Linux when that happens
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oh no
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deadlybydsgn 3/2/2024 2:27 PM
“MrWhoseTheBoss” and he looks nothing like Tony Danza
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Looking to get a new monitor for a new rigg. Anyone suggest a 27' 4k 1440?
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GPU Flops-per-byte went crazy over the years. It's even more insane if you plot this for interconnect (PCIE, NVLink, XeLink etc) bandwidth We were close to 1:1 when the first floating point shaders were introduced in 2002 on Radeon 9700 Pro. Re-balancing flops/byte to more… 💖 358 🔁 54
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squanchy 🥗 3/2/2024 4:59 PM
probably also had the first petaflop GPU in my palm
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One Beef Hula Hoop 3/2/2024 6:45 PM
How well would a laptop with a i5 10300h, 1660 ti, and 16gb of ram run yuzu?Totk specifically.
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Found this thought it was an interesting find kek
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Found this thought it was an interesting find kek
Awesomeangotti 3/2/2024 7:15 PM
Wonder how much fps i can get on it I need some vram (edited)
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godpow
Found this thought it was an interesting find kek
Need to strap some spinny boys to the front intake first
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rizzsensei 3/3/2024 1:10 AM
how do i play with my friends on mario kart by creatinga room on yuzu? im trying to get a main connection going but my friend just ends up disconnecting they join but gets kicked out shortly after (edited)
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With the latest public update, Windows 11 has gained support for USB4 connections at 80Gbps, also known as USB4 2.0. The upgrade comes with OS builds 22621.3235...
5:03 AM
USB420 are you fucking kidding me
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blaze it can't wait for usb4 2.2x2 (edited)
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Let's go 😎 Based USB-IF
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that asymmetric download/upload thing is cool tho
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 5:19 AM
again this shit is why i just say them by "generation" and speed if applicable USB2 is USB2, duh USB 3.2 Gen 1 is "USB3 5Gbps" USB 3.2 Gen 2 is "USB3 10Gbps" USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (as well as base spec USB4) is "USB3 20Gbps" USB4 "1.0" is "USB4" or "USB4 40Gbps" and the new USB4 2.0 is "USB4 80Gbps" alternatively, the last two can be "Thunderbolt if it were lame" edit: this (small clarity edit: personal rule of mine) also now applies to HDMI, but weirdly inverse. HDMI 2.1 18Gbps is "HDMI 2.0", and HDMI 2.1(a) 48Gbps is "HDMI 2.1" (edited)
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if you look at the picture that's what they want you to do now too
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if you look at the picture that's what they want you to do now too
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 5:21 AM
i didnt look at da image admittedly but honestly with how much HDMI and USB has fucked up naming schemes i wont be surprised if they come up with something weirder by next week
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i too like forming opinions without reading
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 5:30 AM
true
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Egdarska
blaze it can't wait for usb4 2.2x2 (edited)
The ants go marching 2x2x2
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lol, that paid ubuntu windows thing Wish you could have the jankiness of linux but worried you will miss paying and having your data stolen? wubuntu is for you.
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takanome9104 3/3/2024 6:31 AM
full speed 4090 egpuprometheus
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@LukeTheVideoGamer I will continue here, make sure you have the proprietary nvidia drivers installed, and when you installed steam that you selected nvidia-utils.
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@exio4 you awake? i need to know why re8 has a separate reflection and light reflection setting I just called the steamdeck shit and you didn't appear so i guess you're not here (edited)
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@LukeTheVideoGamer I will continue here, make sure you have the proprietary nvidia drivers installed, and when you installed steam that you selected nvidia-utils.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 7:47 AM
i've made absolutely certain. for some reason one of the semi-custom drivers i used (via an app made by the same guy who manages the github page for tkg patches) failed to do anything with vulkan, and in fact i think it failed to load at all, defaulting back to nouveau, so i reinstalled the default drivers, with the nvidia-open-dkms aur package for that sweet sweet open source kernel modules.
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@Samueru would that new nvk thing help in this case? idk enough about linux but apparently the vulkan mesa driver is stable now?
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I don't think you needed to use an aur pacakge to get dkms unless you're trying to use the open source drivers
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 7:49 AM
i am trying to use the open source variant of the drivers yeah. if i just wanted regular nvidia i woulda just did nvidia-dkms (either way, i have chaotic-aur set up so)
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i am trying to use the open source variant of the drivers yeah. if i just wanted regular nvidia i woulda just did nvidia-dkms (either way, i have chaotic-aur set up so)
Oh well, good luck with that, the NVK drivers have gotten very good, but if not even proton is launching I might as well try with the proprietary to discard the issue. Also the GPU has to be turing or newer if you are trying to use nvk btw. @Egdarska I think this awnsers your questions as well. (edited)
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Oh well, good luck with that, the NVK drivers have gotten very good, but if not even proton is launching I might as well try with the proprietary to discard the issue. Also the GPU has to be turing or newer if you are trying to use nvk btw. @Egdarska I think this awnsers your questions as well. (edited)
They have a 1650, it's fine.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 7:52 AM
oh i dont mean NVK lmao i mean specifically the nvidia-open-dkms drivers, theyre the proprietary drivers with the Turing & up open-source kernel modules
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Ok, either way, when I used pascal I just did pacman -S nvidia and that was it, didn't even need to use dkms for proton to work.
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Just buy that scam windows ubuntu distro
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 7:55 AM
im using a linux-tkg-bmq kernel so DKMS is a little bit of a must for things like networking and graphics
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LukeTheVideoGamer
im using a linux-tkg-bmq kernel so DKMS is a little bit of a must for things like networking and graphics
The what kernel? xd
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 7:57 AM
linux-tkg custom kernels. Contribute to Frogging-Family/linux-tkg development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Like I know about linux-zen, hardened and iirc cachyos also has its own kernel with a different cpu scheduler, first time ever I heard tkg-bmq lol
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Like I know about linux-zen, hardened and iirc cachyos also has its own kernel with a different cpu scheduler, first time ever I heard tkg-bmq lol
maybe it's because of the cpu? it's a 6300 I never tried linux on an fx, it was after my linux time (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 7:58 AM
that's my thoughts too, but in other situations, like, say, yuzu, i've actually seen better performance due to lower CPU utilization under linux
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But yeah, i'm guessing fx needs all the cpu scheduling help it can get
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Egdarska
But yeah, i'm guessing fx needs all the cpu scheduling help it can get
You usually just need to use gamemode which sets the cpu scheduler to performance and that is it, you also can change the vm map count in sysctl without needing to use linux-zen or other kernels.
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Might be time to just reinstall lol
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Nah you don't need to reinstall, you can even have different kernels and boot with each different one.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:02 AM
OOOOOOHHHHHH PROGRESS
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can it run crysis?
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Btw make sure you have mitigations=off with an FX cpu!!!
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Egdarska
can it run crysis?
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:04 AM
i dont own crysis @Samueru wait i can do that?! does it have to be in the kernel...
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Samueru
Btw make sure you have mitigations=off with an FX cpu!!!
wut, do mitigations have a performance impact on linux?
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i dont own crysis @Samueru wait i can do that?! does it have to be in the kernel...
Just a kernel parameter, it disables the specter meltdown patches which do hurt performance on older cpus.
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I saw the "up to 14% performance impact" but never saw an actual game where it mattered, for fx intel tho (edited)
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Egdarska
wut, do mitigations have a performance impact on linux?
IIrc on zen 2 and older it does, there's plenty of benchmarks on that. With newer cpus it actually hurts performance now.
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Samueru
Just a kernel parameter, it disables the specter meltdown patches which do hurt performance on older cpus.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:06 AM
ah... another kernel parameter.......... fun..................... it's totally easy to do and understand naosmiley
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ah... another kernel parameter.......... fun..................... it's totally easy to do and understand naosmiley
If you used systemd-boot just add mitigations=off to /boot/loader/entries/<nameofentryhere> where it says options in the .conf file
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:07 AM
... thank god i chose systemd-boot when i installed this hunk of junk os.
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And to make sure that the kernel parameters are working, do a cat /proc/cmdline after booting, you should see them.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:09 AM
# oh okay then
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TIme to read the fine manual: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance Also you don't need to use sudo to do an ls, but you may need to do an ls -a to show hidden files.
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@exio4 you awake? i need to know why re8 has a separate reflection and light reflection setting I just called the steamdeck shit and you didn't appear so i guess you're not here (edited)
i was sleeping yes
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Samueru
TIme to read the fine manual: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance Also you don't need to use sudo to do an ls, but you may need to do an ls -a to show hidden files.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:11 AM
"you dont need to use sudo to do an ls" not the case here i guess
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"you dont need to use sudo to do an ls" not the case here i guess
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exio4
i was sleeping yes
i woke up late as fuck, at 8pm👀 day off Next week i'm gonna work both weekend days. (edited)
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Samueru
Click to see attachment 🖼️
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:13 AM
oh that is so strange. i guess its an endeavourOS thing???????? or maybe not idk lmao
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But yeah, re8 has a "GI and reflection" setting, and also a light reflection setting, but the first one doesn't seem to affect reflections on most surfaces at all, but lowering it does reduce the quality of metal reflections (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:14 AM
found it!!!! it was put inside /efi/loader/entries for me instead of in /boot/.. like yours (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
oh that is so strange. i guess its an endeavourOS thing???????? or maybe not idk lmao
First time ever I see that you need sudo rights to read system files lol.
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and setting it to medium or high has a huge performance impact for very little change aside from metals, the actual GI looks the same, so i'm just gonna cope with low GI and medium reflection I took screenshots of every combination in case anyone has the same brain issues as me (edited)
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But yeah, re8 has a "GI and reflection" setting, and also a light reflection setting, but the first one doesn't seem to affect reflections on most surfaces at all, but lowering it does reduce the quality of metal reflections (edited)
i just woke up i think this is my cue to go to sleep; I assume its a samples bias/count/how much roughness affects samples or something thing? it sounds interesting to check out
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First time ever I see that you need sudo rights to read system files lol.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:17 AM
it's only for the /efi directory (so far that i have tested at least) so eh it's no big deal. plus, it's a good safety measure either way, in case a user accidentally bungs up their boot entries or worse not even being able to see in it is a tradeoff im willing to accept for better protection of actually being able to get into my system consistently (edited)
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anyway i wrote the whole mitigations=off thing into my tkg conf file... reboot time?
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i just woke up i think this is my cue to go to sleep; I assume its a samples bias/count/how much roughness affects samples or something thing? it sounds interesting to check out
maybe, GI by itself doesn't have the huge performance impact, only when reflections are also high, but reflections by themselves don't have that impact
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LukeTheVideoGamer
it's only for the /efi directory (so far that i have tested at least) so eh it's no big deal. plus, it's a good safety measure either way, in case a user accidentally bungs up their boot entries or worse not even being able to see in it is a tradeoff im willing to accept for better protection of actually being able to get into my system consistently (edited)
I can read my /boot/EFI just fine, I don't see what security that brings, it might a problem if you could write to it without sudo wrights, but reading is another thing. And yes reboot.
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Egdarska
maybe, GI by itself doesn't have the huge performance impact, only when reflections are also high, but reflections by themselves don't have that impact
GI is one of the best RT effects because low sample counts look decent
8:20 AM
reflections need a fuckton, RT GI should just be standard now, bvh complexity / cpu usage / amd gpus being the biggest bottleneck, even Turing can do good enough GI
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i won't post all 9 but you can get an idea with this
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:22 AM
that's concerning :)
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you can see some difference on the candelabra but not enough to justify almost 30% performance loss
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LukeTheVideoGamer
that's concerning :)
What is sdc2?
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Egdarska
you can see some difference on the candelabra but not enough to justify almost 30% performance loss
high quality RT reflections need Ada to be worth it, we aint got that RT grunt
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What is sdc2?
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:25 AM
my external 2TB NTFS hard drive
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Just the improved lighting is worth it anyway, the biggest issue is that ssr is completely disabled if you enable RT, but it's so shitty that might be a plus. No rt for comparison, ignore the corruption at the top.
8:27 AM
Forgot the one with all rt at low.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
my external 2TB NTFS hard drive
Hopefully you are not using NTFS to store important data without backup, it needs constant disk checks on boot. (Also I think you need to install ntfs-3g)
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which dlss input res?
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exio4
which dlss input res?
Quality, so 720p @LukeTheVideoGamer bruh i hope you're not using ntfs with linux
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Just today I tried to transfer a game to another PC using a NTFS drive as the medium, one file got corrupted during the transfer somehow.
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Egdarska
Quality, so 720p @LukeTheVideoGamer bruh i hope you're not using ntfs with linux
fellow 720p player 🙏
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Samueru
Hopefully you are not using NTFS to store important data without backup, it needs constant disk checks on boot. (Also I think you need to install ntfs-3g)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:29 AM
do you consider a fuckton of anime and games to be important data? i legit only use it for games and anime and occasionally things like screen capture, and all under windows, i barely touch it in linux. also, ntfs-3g is already installed...
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Samueru
Just today I tried to transfer a game to another PC using a NTFS drive as the medium, one file got corrupted during the transfer somehow.
"somehow" kek
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Egdarska
"somehow" kek
I have no idea why this happens, and back when I was using windows several files from my music library got corrupted without warning.
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ntfs is mid and microsoft should be ashamed of still using it tbh
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I have no idea why this happens, and back when I was using windows several files from my music library got corrupted without warning.
yeah, that's ntfs, i made the mistake of using ntfs for my wii external drive so i wouldn't have to use split files
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Omg you wanna know something, I once came very close from losing all my saved pictures from two backupts I had years ago. It fucking saved me that the repair thing on windows actually saved one of the backups holy shit.
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ntfs is mid and microsoft should be ashamed of still using it tbh
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:35 AM
NTFS was "alright" back in like 1996 when it was introduced, but in 2024??? come on, there are far better ways of going about with filesystems than whatever the hell NTFS is.
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fellow 720p player 🙏
Some things look worse with dlaa for some reason. Like the edges on the walls and some object outlines. (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
NTFS was "alright" back in like 1996 when it was introduced, but in 2024??? come on, there are far better ways of going about with filesystems than whatever the hell NTFS is.
was it alright tho
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exio4
was it alright tho
better than fat32 lol
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Some things look worse with dlaa for some reason. Like the edges on the walls and some object outlines. (edited)
i’m on my phone and without glassesrn so you can send dlss performance and itll look the same, can you zoom in or something like that
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Samueru
better than fat32 lol
We need to start using "less bad" instead of better for some situations
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my phones battery went down 17% over 8 hours, idling - truly sad tbh
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exio4
my phones battery went down 17% over 8 hours, idling - truly sad tbh
Get an android phone without googleplay services if you want long idle times lol
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Samueru
Get an android phone without googleplay services if you want long idle times lol
no bestie, i actually want more background services because it would be 19% and do 3x more things
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i’m on my phone and without glassesrn so you can send dlss performance and itll look the same, can you zoom in or something like that
Don't know if this is the best example
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:40 AM
okay so, after doing a ton of BULLSHIT. i have finally got proton working in at least two games: Crumble and Bayonetta. turns out, NTFS and exFAT (Crumble was exFAT, Bayonetta was NTFS) are bad filesystems for Proton in linux who woulda thought moving them to the internal ext4 formatted drive and verifying their files got them working
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okay so, after doing a ton of BULLSHIT. i have finally got proton working in at least two games: Crumble and Bayonetta. turns out, NTFS and exFAT (Crumble was exFAT, Bayonetta was NTFS) are bad filesystems for Proton in linux who woulda thought moving them to the internal ext4 formatted drive and verifying their files got them working
Oh I think what happened is that iirc by default NTFS drives are mounted with the noexec flag in linux, which prevents running executables on them.
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Don't know if this is the best example
left is dlaa?
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I don't know if that's visible in the zoom in, but the lines with dlss look smoother at normal zoom, the ones with dlaa seem aliased for some reason. But overall the details look obviously higher res with dlaa. @exio4 yeah (edited)
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what the hell is said it would be left because you said worse, didn’t expect it to be that aliased
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Oh I think what happened is that iirc by default NTFS drives are mounted with the noexec flag in linux, which prevents running executables on them.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:43 AM
really? that's strange, since P4G at least launched the executable, even if it immediately crashed, and Sonic Origins... seemed to be doing something in the background? and both were on the NTFS drive. anyway i think i learned a lesson here: just use btrfs. (edited)
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what the hell is said it would be left because you said worse, didn’t expect it to be that aliased
yeah, it's really weird. Keep in mind it's dlss modded into the game, so it's going to have downsides, but it's weird that dlss looks better in some instances
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wine doesn’t need the exec flag to run things, it vibes on its own like an interpreter
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really? that's strange, since P4G at least launched the executable, even if it immediately crashed, and Sonic Origins... seemed to be doing something in the background? and both were on the NTFS drive. anyway i think i learned a lesson here: just use btrfs. (edited)
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Using-a-NTFS-disk-with-Linux-and-Windows (It something along those lines, I very quickly learned that using ntfs on linux was going to be a nightmare years ago so never bothered to check why)
Compatibility tool for Steam Play based on Wine and additional components - ValveSoftware/Proton
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I've just resigned myself to the fact that REngine games will have amazing visuals that will have some weird flaw fucking them up so i'll just cope
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yeah, it's really weird. Keep in mind it's dlss modded into the game, so it's going to have downsides, but it's weird that dlss looks better in some instances
oh it’s modded, it might be that the game never expected a native resolution upscaler from there so the post processing breaks havoc, afaik dlss/dlaa have a heavy post processing step that is where a lot of the magic happens
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oh it’s modded, it might be that the game never expected a native resolution upscaler from there so the post processing breaks havoc, afaik dlss/dlaa have a heavy post processing step that is where a lot of the magic happens
apparently REngine games need a flag for dlaa to work correctly but i can't figure out how to use dlsstweaks with the mod so i can't do anything You basically need to set the resolution to 1 pixel less or something It still looks miles better than native either way (edited)
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"somehow" kek
Another funny thing that happened was that windows wasn't reading the hard drive when connected on the sata port, I could see the drive on the bios but nothing would show on windows, not even in the partitions tool they had built in. Had to plug in the ntfs drive with an usb adapter for it to be read lol
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Another funny thing that happened was that windows wasn't reading the hard drive when connected on the sata port, I could see the drive on the bios but nothing would show on windows, not even in the partitions tool they had built in. Had to plug in the ntfs drive with an usb adapter for it to be read lol
That's still an issue to this day. My controller stopped being recognized on one usb port, i need to use a different one. The port still works, it just won't accept the controller. And actually, it stopped working after the update thonking (edited)
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really? that's strange, since P4G at least launched the executable, even if it immediately crashed, and Sonic Origins... seemed to be doing something in the background? and both were on the NTFS drive. anyway i think i learned a lesson here: just use btrfs. (edited)
If you will use Btrfs for your install make sure your distro correctly setups the Btrfs subvolumes, Arch with archinstall does it, but I don't know if distros like endevour with the calamares installer do that, I know voidlinux doesn't even bother to make a single subvolume lol.
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That's still an issue to this day. My controller stopped being recognized on one usb port, i need to use a different one. The port still works, it just won't accept the controller. And actually, it stopped working after the update thonking (edited)
I thought you said that windows 11 was going perfect on your end.
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Samueru
I thought you said that windows 11 was going perfect on your end.
Lol, it fixed itself, I think it just needed a full restart. But i never said perfect, just no major issues, I still hate that the rounded corners come back after every update.
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Lol, it fixed itself, I think it just needed a full restart. But i never said perfect, just no major issues, I still hate that the rounded corners come back after every update.
tbh usb issues are also common in linux, though you usually can issue a command to reset all ports and that gets rid of having to unplug and plug them back in.
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If you will use Btrfs for your install make sure your distro correctly setups the Btrfs subvolumes, Arch with archinstall does it, but I don't know if distros like endevour with the calamares installer do that, I know voidlinux doesn't even bother to make a single subvolume lol.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:54 AM
Endeavour could do BTRFS in Calamares... but only if i subsumed a partition to be Endeavour'd, and i didn't feel like redownloading all 170GB of Baldur's Gate 3 just for the convenience of BTRFS, and i sure as hell wasnt gonna try to wrap my head around manually partitioning properly when i was setting it up at 12am, so i just said "fuck it, cut the drive in half" which made it install eOS to an ext4 formatted partition
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tbh usb issues are also common in linux, though you usually can issue a command to reset all ports and that gets rid of having to unplug and plug them back in.
I don't think you can do that easily in windows. Best you can do is disable the usb controller and re-enable it, and hope it actually re-enables itself without needing to reboot🙏 (edited)
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Endeavour could do BTRFS in Calamares... but only if i subsumed a partition to be Endeavour'd, and i didn't feel like redownloading all 170GB of Baldur's Gate 3 just for the convenience of BTRFS, and i sure as hell wasnt gonna try to wrap my head around manually partitioning properly when i was setting it up at 12am, so i just said "fuck it, cut the drive in half" which made it install eOS to an ext4 formatted partition
Yeah but it needs to make the right subvolumes in the fstab to be able to use all the btrfs features. That's what I don't know.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 8:58 AM
i mean... now that i have this partition set up, i guess i could reinstall endeavourOS and see? it really wouldnt be that big of a deal, the endeavourOS installer has a boot option for NVIDIA drivers and it installs the proprietary ones by default. i'd really only need to re-setup my browser, discord, yuzu and ryujinx, and Steam and then i'd be back to where i am now. (edited)
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also @exio4 did i tell you our current software's database is so fubar we have to input all the patient data manually? We told them bro, we told them years ago this would be an issue. And they want to try to move over all the appointment data in 2 days lol, I'd be surprised if it only takes 2 weeks of full time working by 50 people. (edited)
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You can immediately tell when something was written by a higher up vs someone who knows what they're talking about.
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tbh usb issues are also common in linux, though you usually can issue a command to reset all ports and that gets rid of having to unplug and plug them back in.
every platform has USB issues, AMD had dropouts, every other vendor has its own quirks too, like Apple's controller supports 10 Gbps (over a single lane) or 5 Gbps (over a single lane), but not 2x5 or 2x10, so 10 Gbps (over 2 lanes) is not implemented, but it does support 40 Gbps w/ USB4/Thunderbolt
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that new usb asymmetrical d/u thing looks cool, if it can be switched on the fly and not hardwired to be 120/40
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also @exio4 did i tell you our current software's database is so fubar we have to input all the patient data manually? We told them bro, we told them years ago this would be an issue. And they want to try to move over all the appointment data in 2 days lol, I'd be surprised if it only takes 2 weeks of full time working by 50 people. (edited)
yea but not the deadline, lol they are insane if they think you can do data input this way that dast lol
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i mean... now that i have this partition set up, i guess i could reinstall endeavourOS and see? it really wouldnt be that big of a deal, the endeavourOS installer has a boot option for NVIDIA drivers and it installs the proprietary ones by default. i'd really only need to re-setup my browser, discord, yuzu and ryujinx, and Steam and then i'd be back to where i am now. (edited)
In Btrfs you don't really have a /. / is in fact a top level subvolume called @. On the real / of Btrfs you have @ where all the top level system dirs are located. You also usually have @HOME which gets mounted on /@/home, hopefully that explains it better. Because when you make an snapshot in Btrfs, it makes a deduplicated copy of the top level subvolume to another top level subvolume, if the installer doesn't set that up, you won't be able to make the snapshots kek If want to experiment go ahead, I find it entertaining to play with Btrfs.
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every platform has USB issues, AMD had dropouts, every other vendor has its own quirks too, like Apple's controller supports 10 Gbps (over a single lane) or 5 Gbps (over a single lane), but not 2x5 or 2x10, so 10 Gbps (over 2 lanes) is not implemented, but it does support 40 Gbps w/ USB4/Thunderbolt
Windows is the only platform without USB issues /s
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also, i was playing fruit ninja the fov does make the game worse for real wtf
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yea but not the deadline, lol they are insane if they think you can do data input this way that dast lol
The 2 days is just for the scheduled appointments, not the full patient data, but that's still insane. Specially considering most people doing it have never even seen the new software, they got a 1 hour training to learn the basics of how they will input the data, and will get an additional hour training before we start. Even with perfectly trained employees, those 2 days would be insane, now take into account that not everyone who is doing it can type and read fast, and they're also unfamiliar with the software.
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In Btrfs you don't really have a /. / is in fact a top level subvolume called @. On the real / of Btrfs you have @ where all the top level system dirs are located. You also usually have @HOME which gets mounted on /@/home, hopefully that explains it better. Because when you make an snapshot in Btrfs, it makes a deduplicated copy of the top level subvolume to another top level subvolume, if the installer doesn't set that up, you won't be able to make the snapshots kek If want to experiment go ahead, I find it entertaining to play with Btrfs.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:04 AM
yeahhhhhh i dont understand that, but it sounds cool, and useful
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yeahhhhhh i dont understand that, but it sounds cool, and useful
This is how the fstab should look after install (ignore the tmp files to ram and below that is something I did) (Also the noatime and compression was something I changed as well, but that is easy afterwards)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:07 AM
i see!
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You see / is the subvol @, home is the subvol @home, etc. I usually don't take snapshots of my @home and only the @. To make the snaphosts I just use timeshift which is a GUI tool that supports Btrfs.
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i want a nas just for time machine rn
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I want a nas for steam games
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:10 AM
i want a nas just. general purpose. movies. games. backups. (edited)
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If I ever get a nas it has to be something very efficient, because that nas will be running from the off grid setup I have (yeah I'm sounding like exio).
9:12 AM
Like idle power draw should be 10W or less for the nas.
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that'll be tough, because hard drives use a lot of power
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:16 AM
how much power does a hard drive typically draw? like, 7W?
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that'll be tough, because hard drives use a lot of power
They should turn off at idle though. @LukeTheVideoGamer for 2.5 inch sata drives it is usually less than 5W running. (edited)
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Like idle power draw should be 10W or less for the nas.
Can't you have it sleep and wake it up when you need it over the network?
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Can't you have it sleep and wake it up when you need it over the network?
No idea
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I wish apple had an apple tv nas accessory they already let you buy an A15 soc that uses phone tier power consumption, that will be connected to the network, let me also buy a NAS box or something with a funny port and add some storage (edited)
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I guess if you use it for general storage and need it all the time you need good idle power draw, but for backups that you don't need all day then sleep would be fine.
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Also do games run fine off a nas? like I would be limited to the gigabit speed of my ethernet port.
9:24 AM
If people are running the steamdeck with an sd card it should be fine though.
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I meant keeping games so i could transfer them to my laptop without redownloading, not playing off them. Though i guess it would be better than playing on a hdd
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no, they won't run fine (too slow & random performance will be trash) yes, they will run fine (they are games you could run off an crappy SD card) assuming you use ssds on the nas, if it's hard drives i'd say YMMV
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no, they won't run fine (too slow & random performance will be trash) yes, they will run fine (they are games you could run off an crappy SD card) assuming you use ssds on the nas, if it's hard drives i'd say YMMV
Yeah I thought about the sd card, it should be fine for some games. I may also go with sata ssds to reduce the idle power draw.
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If people are running the steamdeck with an sd card it should be fine though.
keep in mind the steamdeck g*mers play games off the sd card with low textures, and crappy settings that reduce the streaming load (edited)
9:27 AM
I can't play Forza Horizon 5 on my desktop at 120 fps w/ the highest textures & lod settings ... off my external NVMe SSD (with over 10 Gbps USB3.1) because it has streaming issues
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I remember I played GTA V with an HDD, that shit was horrible, you could not drive fast on the map lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:28 AM
reinstalling endeavour with btrfs, will check what the fstab looks like once booted into the damn install
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I remember I played GTA V with an HDD, that shit was horrible, you could not drive fast on the map lol
yea forza had the same issue, anything happening on the ssd would cause streaming issues and freeze the game for a split second - after driving for 2-3 seconds on untextured geometry
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Damn, I kinda wanna play modern games without textures. Both for the lulz and because it would save up on a ton of hard drive/SSD space (edited)
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yea forza had the same issue, anything happening on the ssd would cause streaming issues and freeze the game for a split second - after driving for 2-3 seconds on untextured geometry
i can't find that video of someone trying control on a 5400rpm hdd
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textures alone aren't just make the game "orders of magnitude smaller", forza horizon 5 has a fuckton of songs, voice lines, geometry, etc that you will still need
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It would still be a good first step, kek
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textures alone aren't just make the game "orders of magnitude smaller", forza horizon 5 has a fuckton of songs, voice lines, geometry, etc that you will still need
How much is forza 5 in GB?
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easiest way to save space would be to convert useless lossless audio to compressed with good quality
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How much is forza 5 in GB?
120-140GB? i think
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easiest way to save space would be to convert useless lossless audio to compressed with good quality
Opus 128 kbps is transparent. @exio4 if you used linux you may save 50 GB by simply having forza on a btrfs partition with compression.
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can you actually confirm that number btw, because it sounds like a deranged statement for lossless compression
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Opus 128 kbps is transparent. @exio4 if you used linux you may save 50 GB by simply having forza on a btrfs partition with compression.
How does btrfs compress lossless audio that is already compressed? Reminder, lossless doesn't mean uncompressed. @Madoka see above. (edited)
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easiest way to save space would be to convert useless lossless audio to compressed with good quality
Why the heck are developers not compressing audio anymore? You'd think it would be incredibly easy with modern hardware, compared to the PS1 or something
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can you actually confirm that number btw, because it sounds like a deranged statement for lossless compression
A lot of games have duplicated content lol. @Egdarska I'm talking about Opus for audio (edited)
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Samueru
A lot of games have duplicated content lol. @Egdarska I'm talking about Opus for audio (edited)
Duplicated content/padding shouldn't be necessary now, right? Especially with the long awaited death of PS4 and Xbox One
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i dont get it, you think games dont use any compression? they do already, the thing is that lossy compression would be the benefit and if you mean deduplication, yeah, that is very important for hard drive games, but you're also gonna be talking about the I/O overhead, and games like forza do real-time streaming of assets while you drive, like any modern game, at a like, hundred of megabytes a second if you crank the textures & LODs up
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trying to find old videos about control is awful
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Maybe you should google "Control videogame" instead (edited)
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I'm saving 35GB on my games dir with Btrfs with zstd:1 compression (it also contains switch titles which don't compress due to them being encrypted btw).
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Maybe you should google "Control videogame" instead (edited)
lol try it, this is with all those keywords already
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I'm saving 35GB on my games dir with Btrfs with zstd:1 compression (it also contains switch titles which don't compress due to them being encrypted btw).
iirc totk is 11GB if you decrypt it and compress it with zstd1 edit: Also Palworld was 15GB on my disk and the installation size at the time was 20 or something GB. (edited)
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i need to check how big forza horizon 5 is on storage i remember 150 gb but that might be too a bit too much (edited)
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i need to check how big forza horizon 5 is on storage i remember 150 gb but that might be too a bit too much (edited)
You should be able to use a VM to create a partiton with Btrfs using zstd1 and just drop the title in there to check the space usage.
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i need to check how big forza horizon 5 is on storage i remember 150 gb but that might be too a bit too much (edited)
xbox app says 142.5GB installed, for the standard edition
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You should be able to use a VM to create a partiton with Btrfs using zstd1 and just drop the title in there to check the space usage.
i don't have enough storage for that bruh (edited)
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i don't have enough storage for that bruh (edited)
As a real macos user would lol
9:48 AM
Doesn't macos support ZFS? You could also use that.
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yea my ryzen+nvidia gaming pc runs macos the two most macOS-compatible brands for each (edited)
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BeamNG is reduced by half in space! (Which is a car game with big maps like forza). (edited)
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yea my ryzen+nvidia gaming pc runs macos the two most macOS-compatible brands for each (edited)
ryzen and intel arc hacintosh when?
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i already went through my btrfs compressing everything phase in the early 2010s this is funny because it feels like im talking with a younger version of myself lol (edited)
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i already went through my btrfs compressing everything phase in the early 2010s this is funny because it feels like im talking with a younger version of myself lol (edited)
Zstd only really got good after kernel 6.0 though.
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BeamNG is reduced by half in space! (Which is a car game with big maps like forza). (edited)
You can see the result here, that's a significant saving.
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yeah its pretty good, i just mention this cuz compression isn't free lunch, any good compression ratio is heavily nerfing your CPU performance, and if it is lightweight it isn't gonna be that good, you're also talking about assets that are already a bit compressed, so you're wasting a fuckton of cycles vs just using more storage lol
9:55 AM
i need to fix my windows install but dont know where i left the windows iso, great
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yeah its pretty good, i just mention this cuz compression isn't free lunch, any good compression ratio is heavily nerfing your CPU performance, and if it is lightweight it isn't gonna be that good, you're also talking about assets that are already a bit compressed, so you're wasting a fuckton of cycles vs just using more storage lol
There's no measurable difference in cpu usage btw, only in the read/write output, which in the end because the files are usually smaller by a considerable margin, it makes Btrfs faster at booting, etc. This is also the case with zram with zstd compression, using that saves 2 hours in the compile time on one of the cheapest amd apus ever
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i need to fix my windows install but dont know where i left the windows iso, great
You can just download it, it's free.
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You can just download it, it's free.
i know, its just that it was an insiders iso so its a bit more of a hassle
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I did some benchmarks with Btrfs vs EXT4, I don't remember if you saw them exio.
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There's no measurable difference in cpu usage btw, only in the read/write output, which in the end because the files are usually smaller by a considerable margin, it makes Btrfs faster at booting, etc. This is also the case with zram with zstd compression, using that saves 2 hours in the compile time on one of the cheapest amd apus ever
ok, yes, it's only a difference when you read files, can you let me know what streaming files is? 10 Gbps (800MB/s sequential) through USB wasn't enough for forza horizon 5, how fast can you decompress on a modern CPU, while the CPU load of the game is already a high enough %? i'd not be shocked if some lightweight decompression is a massive uplift, basically free, spend 3% of your cpu time on it, and get gains, but lol if the "you saved a fuckton of storage" setting is viable for gaming (edited)
10:01 AM
maybe i'm biased because i'm usually cpu bottlenecked, so i tend to get more frames by lowering LODs than resolution (in Dogtown, I actually was CPU bound under 60 fps with my usual CPU settings, had to soften my underclock) (edited)
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ok, yes, it's only a difference when you read files, can you let me know what streaming files is? 10 Gbps (800MB/s sequential) through USB wasn't enough for forza horizon 5, how fast can you decompress on a modern CPU, while the CPU load of the game is already a high enough %? i'd not be shocked if some lightweight decompression is a massive uplift, basically free, spend 3% of your cpu time on it, and get gains, but lol if the "you saved a fuckton of storage" setting is viable for gaming (edited)
Remember how the zstd zip file decompressed faster than the uncompressed zip on my pc? that's was due to a limit on the ssd though. You would have to try it either way.
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Remember how the zstd zip file decompressed faster than the uncompressed zip on my pc? that's was due to a limit on the ssd though. You would have to try it either way.
what SSD? SATA? (edited)
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what SSD? SATA? (edited)
nvme, that you said that something must have been wrong and I even went and repeated the test on an EXT4 partition and it was the same result
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nvme, that you said that something must have been wrong and I even went and repeated the test on an EXT4 partition and it was the same result
I see, now, have you tried doing this with your CPU being heavily loaded from a game? and not with your CPU idling? (for example, Forza Horizon 5 on deck is CPU bottlenecked under 60 fps, it cannot lock to 60 fps no matter what you do - on steamdeck, lowest settings possible, still not gonna lock, 50 is also a struggle, can't lock) (edited)
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I see, now, have you tried doing this with your CPU being heavily loaded from a game? and not with your CPU idling? (for example, Forza Horizon 5 on deck is CPU bottlenecked under 60 fps, it cannot lock to 60 fps no matter what you do - on steamdeck, lowest settings possible, still not gonna lock, 50 is also a struggle, can't lock) (edited)
Does the regular gaming I do count already? what are you worried about that the decompression speed might be slower or the fps lower due to that?
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Does the regular gaming I do count already? what are you worried about that the decompression speed might be slower or the fps lower due to that?
no, I'm worried about a few factors: 1) overall framerate => limited cpu resources, and for the deck: more CPU power = less GPU power 2) streaming issues => a lot of AAA games have issues if you run them off a SD card, or even SATA at times, just due to higher latency (cyberpunk 2077: phantom liberty, basically needs my SATA SSD to be uncongested, or it will misbehave, it's why I play it exclusively off NVMe(s)) 3) efficiency => relevant for the deck specifically, I don't think heavy compression is the solution, but a lightweight setting coming out as a result of lots of benchmarks
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This is using a single cpu thread exio on the broadwell cpu, the first result is the only one that really matters because that is zstd1, it does 2000MB/s read with a compression ratio of 3.170.
10:11 AM
Let me try to compile yuzu which puts all my cpu to 100%
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that's basically 4-5W equivalent on deck just FWIW (a third of the overall TDP) (edited)
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that's basically 4-5W equivalent on deck just FWIW (a third of the overall TDP) (edited)
remember that because of the compression less time is also spent reading
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modern games where this conversation makes sense aren't throughput bound tho, and the power for the ssd on many platforms is neglible lol the reason the 10 Gbps external USB experience is shit is not the 900 MB/s numbers, it's that the latency is trash, going to storage and back takes like multiple milliseconds just to start getting data, not even starting Windows' crappy guesstimate put the average response time at 25-50 ms, that is e-waste for gaming (edited)
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This is how the fstab should look after install (ignore the tmp files to ram and below that is something I did) (Also the noatime and compression was something I changed as well, but that is easy afterwards)
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That's the default? change zstd to zstd:1, the default is zstd:3 which just hurts output speed
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:16 AM
okay! ... how do i do that wait. i should rtfm brb (edited)
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okay! ... how do i do that wait. i should rtfm brb (edited)
where it says zstd, just put zstd:1 People also suggest using compress-force instead of compress iirc
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@exio4 got dlsstweaks working, that does fix the dlaa.
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lets fucking gooooo
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@exio4 With the cpu at 100% it cuts the read speed by half, although I think part of the difference is because the cpu is no longer boosting with all the cpu threads under use
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steamdeck doesn't boost like a normal pc either, the place where this is most relevant for me is the steamdeck it runs at 2 ish GHz and takes a second to boost to 3.5 (edited)
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where it says zstd, just put zstd:1 People also suggest using compress-force instead of compress iirc
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:21 AM
so, wait, i follow this and just change "compress=zstd" to something like "compress-force=zstd:1"? or is there another method i should use if zstd is already being used? sorry im really really new to btrfs this is actually the first time i've ever used it (edited)
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so, wait, i follow this and just change "compress=zstd" to something like "compress-force=zstd:1"? or is there another method i should use if zstd is already being used? sorry im really really new to btrfs this is actually the first time i've ever used it (edited)
You alrady have compress=zstd, you just need to change it to compress=zstd:1 which is even the default used by fedora.
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how the fuck do i repair my windows install from the .iso goddamn am i dumb
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steamdeck doesn't boost like a normal pc either, the place where this is most relevant for me is the steamdeck it runs at 2 ish GHz and takes a second to boost to 3.5 (edited)
Just disable boost for max battery life 💪 Also i just wanted dlss tweaks for 75% dlss (edited)
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how the fuck do i repair my windows install from the .iso goddamn am i dumb
rm -rf the c drive.
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rm -rf the c drive.
good idea now how do I play games @Egdarska actual tip for 7840u/rog ally users btw "disable boost", because base clocks are like 4GHz already on those chips
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so, wait, i follow this and just change "compress=zstd" to something like "compress-force=zstd:1"? or is there another method i should use if zstd is already being used? sorry im really really new to btrfs this is actually the first time i've ever used it (edited)
A crash course guide into one of the most significant changes coming to Fedora 34. Learn about what transparent compression is and how to enable it.
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i love computers, i'm streaming from my PC to my laptop, just to disable it on the mac and i can use the same keyboard/trackpad because i got tired of two input devices just to display it on the same screen, over hdmi instead of displayport lol (edited)
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so, wait, i follow this and just change "compress=zstd" to something like "compress-force=zstd:1"? or is there another method i should use if zstd is already being used? sorry im really really new to btrfs this is actually the first time i've ever used it (edited)
send the output of sudo compsize -x / /home/ (you might need to install compsize btw).
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good idea now how do I play games @Egdarska actual tip for 7840u/rog ally users btw "disable boost", because base clocks are like 4GHz already on those chips
Disabling boost is also pretty playable on my laptop, 3.3 vs 4GHz You just basically have to lock to 60fps (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:28 AM
OH OKAY. KDE DECIDED TO DIE
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lets gooo the linux experience 🔥 🔥 🔥
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I love rtgi
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I once had the screenlocker in kde crash, which prevented me from unlocking the pc lol
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send the output of sudo compsize -x / /home/ (you might need to install compsize btw).
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:30 AM
HELP oh also here are those results you ordered
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repairing Windows AMA, i doubt it works, i downloaded this like 5 weeks ago and i forgor to do it, i bet windows changed in between (adhd moment) (edited)
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HELP oh also here are those results you ordered
Cool, you already saved near half in disk usage.
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Cool, you already saved near half in disk usage.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:32 AM
this is still with default settings i havent managed to open that link you sent. it wont load. i dont know why. i think my wifi driver's a piece of shit.
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this is still with default settings i havent managed to open that link you sent. it wont load. i dont know why. i think my wifi driver's a piece of shit.
Also post the output of zstd -e5 -b1, you should see it only uses a single cpu thread in htop while doing the test
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Marli The Bob 3/3/2024 10:34 AM
Guys I have a problem so I have 2 drivers and Yuzu won't pick them up when I select Vulkan, but when I disable Amd it works. That's weird to me since Cemu works just fine with both? And I am sure my drivers are the latest version...
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Also post the output of zstd -e5 -b1, you should see it only uses a single cpu thread in htop while doing the test
running zstd btw the mac, just for fun lol exio4•~» zstd -e5 -b1 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 968.5 MB/s, 2504.8 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 766.2 MB/s, 2441.4 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 436.4 MB/s, 1935.7 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 359.4 MB/s, 1735.5 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 177.2 MB/s, 1678.7 MB/s (edited)
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running zstd btw the mac, just for fun lol exio4•~» zstd -e5 -b1 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 968.5 MB/s, 2504.8 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 766.2 MB/s, 2441.4 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 436.4 MB/s, 1935.7 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 359.4 MB/s, 1735.5 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 177.2 MB/s, 1678.7 MB/s (edited)
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running zstd btw the mac, just for fun lol exio4•~» zstd -e5 -b1 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 968.5 MB/s, 2504.8 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 766.2 MB/s, 2441.4 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 436.4 MB/s, 1935.7 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 359.4 MB/s, 1735.5 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 177.2 MB/s, 1678.7 MB/s (edited)
That's an insanely fast compression speed btw.
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Also post the output of zstd -e5 -b1, you should see it only uses a single cpu thread in htop while doing the test
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:36 AM
waow (command was still running while i took the screenshot to show thread usage. second image is the actual results) this is on a mechanical hard drive too btw (edited)
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Guys I have a problem so I have 2 drivers and Yuzu won't pick them up when I select Vulkan, but when I disable Amd it works. That's weird to me since Cemu works just fine with both? And I am sure my drivers are the latest version...
What happens with them? do they have a black screen?
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waow (command was still running while i took the screenshot to show thread usage. second image is the actual results) this is on a mechanical hard drive too btw (edited)
Welp, it is an FX cpu after all.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:38 AM
brb i gotta restart my computer or something kde is being a piece of crap, i need to change my pacman mirrors to be closer to where i am, and i need to install a different driver
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brb i gotta restart my computer or something kde is being a piece of crap, i need to change my pacman mirrors to be closer to where i am, and i need to install a different driver
Although you should never be limited by the algo, since you're using a SATA ssd you will only have reads of 550MB/s at most.
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results forced into the e-cores with background only permissions (base) exio4•~» taskpolicy -b -- zstd -e5 -b1 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 217.9 MB/s, 985.2 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 170.9 MB/s, 1054.8 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 103.8 MB/s, 584.5 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 75.5 MB/s, 501.6 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 50.3 MB/s, 750.3 MB/s
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Although you should never be limited by the algo, since you're using a SATA ssd you will only have reads of 550MB/s at most.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:40 AM
actually my SSD is still Windows'd up, this linux install is on a 1TB mechanical HDD that's like 11 years old so. for what it's worth. it's reasonable results. (edited)
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lol, game just crashed when i shot an enemy, that hadn't happened in a while
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results forced into the e-cores with background only permissions (base) exio4•~» taskpolicy -b -- zstd -e5 -b1 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 217.9 MB/s, 985.2 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 170.9 MB/s, 1054.8 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 103.8 MB/s, 584.5 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 75.5 MB/s, 501.6 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 50.3 MB/s, 750.3 MB/s
As good as the FX cpu on the ecores haha
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also, everspace is 90% off on gog in case anyone is interested, so $2 if you're in the US. (edited)
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What happens with them? do they have a black screen?
Marli The Bob 3/3/2024 10:41 AM
It just crashes, like Yuzu crashes (edited)
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powermetrics snippet (cpu power only, not all soc power consumption, it is counting discord, but not the gpu/npu/etc, and everything else, but gives you an idea): CPU Power: 1545 mW CPU Power: 583 mW CPU Power: 649 mW CPU Power: 645 mW CPU Power: 854 mW CPU Power: 1558 mW CPU Power: 887 mW CPU Power: 899 mW CPU Power: 701 mW CPU Power: 639 mW CPU Power: 717 mW CPU Power: 776 mW CPU Power: 844 mW CPU Power: 589 mW CPU Power: 727 mW CPU Power: 890 mW CPU Power: 1007 mW CPU Power: 1055 mW CPU Power: 1037 mW CPU Power: 1045 mW CPU Power: 855 mW samples every 1000ms / 1 second performance results during that capture: 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 272.5 MB/s, 1039.9 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 260.9 MB/s, 1119.8 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 131.7 MB/s, 712.0 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 79.8 MB/s, 697.8 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 43.2 MB/s, 650.7 MB/s (edited)
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It just crashes, like Yuzu crashes (edited)
That's not enough to know what's wrong, post a log in the relevant support channel.
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That's not enough to know what's wrong, post a log in the relevant support channel.
Marli The Bob 3/3/2024 10:42 AM
How do I do that (sorry for my inexperience)
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actually my SSD is still Windows'd up, this linux install is on a 1TB mechanical HDD that's like 11 years old so. for what it's worth. it's reasonable results. (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:43 AM
correction: 3 years old but honestly if it's mechanical i just assume it's a decade old, at best, so
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powermetrics snippet (cpu power only, not all soc power consumption, it is counting discord, but not the gpu/npu/etc, and everything else, but gives you an idea): CPU Power: 1545 mW CPU Power: 583 mW CPU Power: 649 mW CPU Power: 645 mW CPU Power: 854 mW CPU Power: 1558 mW CPU Power: 887 mW CPU Power: 899 mW CPU Power: 701 mW CPU Power: 639 mW CPU Power: 717 mW CPU Power: 776 mW CPU Power: 844 mW CPU Power: 589 mW CPU Power: 727 mW CPU Power: 890 mW CPU Power: 1007 mW CPU Power: 1055 mW CPU Power: 1037 mW CPU Power: 1045 mW CPU Power: 855 mW samples every 1000ms / 1 second performance results during that capture: 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 272.5 MB/s, 1039.9 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 260.9 MB/s, 1119.8 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 131.7 MB/s, 712.0 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 79.8 MB/s, 697.8 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 43.2 MB/s, 650.7 MB/s (edited)
i specify that power is for all cpu clusters cuz sometimes people think it's a per-core metric and ask for which core is which (edited)
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i specify that power is for all cpu clusters cuz sometimes people think it's a per-core metric and ask for which core is which (edited)
Is it good bad? how much power would it be using if it was writing/reading uncompressed data instead?
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Btw you don't have /tmp on tmpfs, might wanna do that, specially on a mechanical drive.
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Btw you don't have /tmp on tmpfs, might wanna do that, specially on a mechanical drive.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:50 AM
honestly rn my priority is getting my computer is a more usable state
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honestly rn my priority is getting my computer is a more usable state
Oh yeah make it work before optimizing haha edit: Exio is about to drop a wall of text lol (edited)
10:52 AM
Exio has been typing for 5 minutes already, shouldn't have asked about efficiency lol
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Is it good bad? how much power would it be using if it was writing/reading uncompressed data instead?
power consumption of one, two e-cores is nearly always so low it is irrelevant, it's basically free extra performance, Apple e-cores are stupidly fast (for a phone e-core), and "optimized" for phone/watch usage, AKA you can run shit on them overnight, and as long as you throttle I/O, the network, etc, you can run workloads in way under a W easy (<5% discharge overnight, while actively working) they're slow as fuck vs the p-cores tho, the usual spread is that they're 20% to a third of a p-core in performance, at max frequency each - and the e-cores rarely run at their high frequency, i'm actually shocked they're this fast here; I assume the workload pushed their clocks higher this is why I hate that intel's e-cores are area optimized first and not power optimized first, and run them at 3GHz+, and force them carry the whole computer's performance because they only put 2 p-cores as well AAAAHHHHHHH (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:52 AM
oh my god im going to need to do a manual hard shutdown arent i reboot isnt working shutdown now isnt working and i cant very well access the KDE logout prompt because KDE decided to fall into a pit of lava on purpose (edited)
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oh my god im going to need to do a manual hard shutdown arent i reboot isnt working shutdown now isnt working and i cant very well access the KDE logout prompt because KDE decided to fall into a pit of lava on purpose (edited)
type sudo shutdown on the terminal
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:54 AM
i've tried. (ignore the "sudo shutdown --now" one that was me being stupid and forgetting how shutdown worked) (edited)
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How do I do that (sorry for my inexperience)
How to properly gather and upload log files from yuzu.
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i've tried. (ignore the "sudo shutdown --now" one that was me being stupid and forgetting how shutdown worked) (edited)
Ok time to pull the plug
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:55 AM
OPH WAIT ... it isnt going. (edited)
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power consumption of one, two e-cores is nearly always so low it is irrelevant, it's basically free extra performance, Apple e-cores are stupidly fast (for a phone e-core), and "optimized" for phone/watch usage, AKA you can run shit on them overnight, and as long as you throttle I/O, the network, etc, you can run workloads in way under a W easy (<5% discharge overnight, while actively working) they're slow as fuck vs the p-cores tho, the usual spread is that they're 20% to a third of a p-core in performance, at max frequency each - and the e-cores rarely run at their high frequency, i'm actually shocked they're this fast here; I assume the workload pushed their clocks higher this is why I hate that intel's e-cores are area optimized first and not power optimized first, and run them at 3GHz+, and force them carry the whole computer's performance because they only put 2 p-cores as well AAAAHHHHHHH (edited)
So is it possible to measure the impact that zstd would have on energy usage?
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OPH WAIT ... it isnt going. (edited)
Try systemctl poweroff
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So is it possible to measure the impact that zstd would have on energy usage?
yes, you'd need a cleaner runtime (i'm running too much shit right now), but macOS doesn't offer a granular way to tie a process to a core, so you need to rely on Apple's taskpolicy and set a priority and let the OS do its best (edited)
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Try systemctl poweroff
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:57 AM
i just hit the reset switch on my case lol
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also @exio4 shadow noise in native taa vs dlss. I still don't get why they use that shadow rendering, it's "fine" if you have an amazing temporal denoiser, otherwise it's trash (edited)
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i couldn't tell them apart on my 14" screen, but 27" makes dlss a massive W oh also dlss bad because it is blurrier Clueless (edited)
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And it doesn't even have contact hardening, so they could have just done regular shadow map rendering with a blur pass.
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i just hit the reset switch on my case lol
Also check journalctl -p 3 -xb for bad errors.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:03 AM
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i gotta work on my homework but i dont wanna get too distracted feeling like im back to uni rn (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:06 AM
so i just do this?? and also do a thing with tmp???
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so i just do this?? and also do a thing with tmp???
Indeed, for tmp add this below: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime,nodev,size=4G 0 0 (might wanna add noexec as well, that's just a safety thing) EDIT: TO THE tmpfs entry, DO NOT ADD NOEXEC TO THE BTRFS VOLUMES (edited)
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how much ram do you have @LukeTheVideoGamer
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how much ram do you have @LukeTheVideoGamer
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:08 AM
24GB in linux i've only seen up to 8GB used, so i think i'd be fine with making the size 8G or so (edited)
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24GB in linux i've only seen up to 8GB used, so i think i'd be fine with making the size 8G or so (edited)
Cool, you will later be able to mount more stuff to later on ram which will be great.
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updating cyberpunk rn wanna try SMAA @Egdarska a mf in another discord says TAA is the worst and praises SMAA so hard
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Indeed, for tmp add this below: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noatime,nodev,size=4G 0 0 (might wanna add noexec as well, that's just a safety thing) EDIT: TO THE tmpfs entry, DO NOT ADD NOEXEC TO THE BTRFS VOLUMES (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:10 AM
a little something like this?
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updating cyberpunk rn wanna try SMAA @Egdarska a mf in another discord says TAA is the worst and praises SMAA so hard
SMAA is ok if you're playing an older game with simple geometry and no modern effects that need denoising I'm coping with reshade smaa in dark souls 3 because there's no other option. (edited)
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SMAA is ok if you're playing an older game with simple geometry and no modern effects that need denoising I'm coping with reshade smaa in dark souls 3 because there's no other option. (edited)
yea but the guy adds it with reshade to modern games after disabling TAA lmao I've read SMAA's paper, it is conceptually something along the lines of a proto-DLSS, it's ideally a multi-sampling (with a temporal component, a spatial component, and a post-processing layer that helps make the data make sense) but the paper is basically clear that the post-processing filter alone is not enough for Good™️ Modern Anti-Aliasing lol (edited)
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a little something like this?
Cool, but you removed nodev from the tmpfs though
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:11 AM
ahhh crap i forgot to put in nodev. thank god i havent written to my fstab yet
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yea but the guy adds it with reshade to modern games after disabling TAA lmao I've read SMAA's paper, it is conceptually something along the lines of a proto-DLSS, it's ideally a multi-sampling (with a temporal component, a spatial component, and a post-processing layer that helps make the data make sense) but the paper is basically clear that the post-processing filter alone is not enough for Good™️ Modern Anti-Aliasing lol (edited)
Yeah, that only works for games like dark souls where they're basically just ps3 games, not modern games.
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ahhh crap i forgot to put in nodev. thank god i havent written to my fstab yet
nothing wrong is gonna happen, it is just a safety thing to prevent viruses from running off /tmp lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:12 AM
FINALLY... does this look good? awesome, just wrote to fstab (edited)
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@LukeTheVideoGamer The next thing would be setting up zram instead of zswap which is what likely came by default in endeavor. The arch wiki has all the steps nicely explained on that btw
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Yeah, that only works for games like dark souls where they're basically just ps3 games, not modern games.
yea if you have modern effects smaa fails funny, i tried it on spider-man and i couldn't get it, it just... looked aliased? like, worse aliasing than fsr2 quality at 800p???
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@LukeTheVideoGamer The next thing would be setting up zram instead of zswap which is what likely came by default in endeavor. The arch wiki has all the steps nicely explained on that btw
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:15 AM
how would i know if i have zswap or zram? wait, you mentioned the arch wiki, they probably have it spelled out there... (edited)
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how would i know if i have zswap or zram? wait, you mentioned the arch wiki, they probably have it spelled out there... (edited)
type zramctl on the terminal. if nothing shows up check htop if you have a swap active. If you do you are using zswap edit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zram (use the zram-generator method) (edited)
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yea if you have modern effects smaa fails funny, i tried it on spider-man and i couldn't get it, it just... looked aliased? like, worse aliasing than fsr2 quality at 800p???
I found something weird about the RT in re8, with lower settings it seems to ignore normal maps on some surfaces. (edited)
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what? ... what?
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type zramctl on the terminal. if nothing shows up check htop if you have a swap active. If you do you are using zswap edit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zram (use the zram-generator method) (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:17 AM
does the mere presence of the swap bar here mean im using zswap, or is the fact that it's using exactly 0K of 0K of swap mean i dont??? sorry i am a complete noob with this kinda stuff still for reference zramctl said nothing (edited)
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does the mere presence of the swap bar here mean im using zswap, or is the fact that it's using exactly 0K of 0K of swap mean i dont??? sorry i am a complete noob with this kinda stuff still for reference zramctl said nothing (edited)
You don't have no swap set up, interesting. Well either way you have to follow the arch wiki link
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Either that or it's just the higher quality reflections, but it seems to get completely ignored at low, if it were just the lower samples then you'd still get something. Look at the bricks. (edited)
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Either that or it's just the higher quality reflections, but it seems to get completely ignored at low, if it were just the lower samples then you'd still get something. Look at the bricks. (edited)
you sure it isn’t that the samples are just too low? (the re games barely use any samples already) (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:20 AM
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you sure it isn’t that the samples are just too low? (the re games barely use any samples already) (edited)
if it was just that then just by chance some of the bricks would get a sample at the edge at some point, they never get anything even if i move the camera With low samples and no dlss the rt would get noisier at the edges. (edited)
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If you will ever do crazy things with that zram, you will need to increase the size, but for now that is fine (the zram size is a limit to the uncompressed size which is usually 3x the amount of compressed data).
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:22 AM
i dont expect that i will, but if i ever do, i will increase it unrelated note i should probably re-setup chaotic-aur and all my other apps (edited)
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One thing i don't like about games where the RT is just added is that they tend to exaggerate the GI to make it more noticeable.
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i dont expect that i will, but if i ever do, i will increase it unrelated note i should probably re-setup chaotic-aur and all my other apps (edited)
This vid really shows the power of zram, it alone managed to beat windows with a pagefile (zram is only on memory you are not using the disk as swap). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMYTBsjeoTc
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if it was just that then just by chance some of the bricks would get a sample at the edge at some point, they never get anything even if i move the camera With low samples and no dlss the rt would get noisier at the edges. (edited)
fair;re:GI the issue i have is that games keep the raster GI lol, cyberpunk and alan wake keep it enabled
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i dont expect that i will, but if i ever do, i will increase it unrelated note i should probably re-setup chaotic-aur and all my other apps (edited)
Also if you move several games to the Btrfs partition do check compsize again to see how good they compress.
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update: they confirmed it was gunshots !!!!
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fair;re:GI the issue i have is that games keep the raster GI lol, cyberpunk and alan wake keep it enabled
I don't think they leave it enabled in re8, or if they do the rtgi is so exaggerated it overwhelms it and hides it I was looking for places where the raster gi is mixed with the rtgi and i can't find anything that jumps out. (edited)
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I don't think they leave it enabled in re8, or if they do the rtgi is so exaggerated it overwhelms it and hides it I was looking for places where the raster gi is mixed with the rtgi and i can't find anything that jumps out. (edited)
that’s actually nice
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Downloading CS2 just to check how good it compresses lol
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Downloading CS2 just to check how good it compresses lol
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:39 AM
man im jealous of that speed
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man im jealous of that speed
Steam never gives me the full gigabit btw
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Steam never gives me the full gigabit btw
you are cpu or i/o bound then
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you are cpu or i/o bound then
It is only steam
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 11:42 AM
steam downloads are notoriously CPU limited
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steam downloads are notoriously CPU limited
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It is only steam
steam doesn’t download raw files, they are heavily compressed and updates are also delta/differentials so they are usually cpu/io bound on fast connections
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steam doesn’t download raw files, they are heavily compressed and updates are also delta/differentials so they are usually cpu/io bound on fast connections
Yeah I just noticed lol (game is done downloading btw)
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Yeah I just noticed lol (game is done downloading btw)
now you understand why compression isn’t a free lunch right lol
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now you understand why compression isn’t a free lunch right lol
Yeah but steam most be using something that's harder on the cpu
11:48 AM
Zstd only saves 10% of disk usage for CS2
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The steam download was 27.5GB btw
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Zstd only saves 10% of disk usage for CS2
Which is good, it means valve put the effort to reduce the size of the game.
11:51 AM
Other games like BeamNG and Project WIngman fucking did not lol
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try cyberpunk
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try cyberpunk
How much is it? edit: nvm I'm not paying 44 usd for that lol (edited)
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fair lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:09 PM
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You might wanna test with CS2 to discard any difference, in my case it is 33GB -> 30GB, I do use compress-force instead of compress
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The difference is that in that case Btrfs determines if the data is compressible before zstd is ran, which I've seen many debates that it doesn't even help becasue zstd isn't dumb, so I don't know
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:16 PM
would have to download CS2 to do it and honestly in windows i get like 4x the download speed im getting in linux right now in steam so
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would have to download CS2 to do it and honestly in windows i get like 4x the download speed im getting in linux right now in steam so
You don't have it on windows? Do you also have project wingman or Beamng? you can compare the results to mine for those as well (although project wingman I'm on a beta and not the stable release btw, very different game) (edited)
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You don't have it on windows? Do you also have project wingman or Beamng? you can compare the results to mine for those as well (although project wingman I'm on a beta and not the stable release btw, very different game) (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:18 PM
i deleted it from external storage when i realized that i wouldnt be able to make it out of the damn bot tutorial alive with how much FPS i was getting on my poor FX-6300 lmao. and unfortunately no i dont have either of those
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how does discord not run like shit on ur pc when it run it on my e-cores its nearly useless (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:20 PM
lemme put it this way on my iMac with a GPU nearly five times weaker than this one's GTX 1650, but paired with a third gen i5, at the lowest possible settings since YES I WAS GPU BOTTLENECKED, i was getting above 40fps at all times in a bot match. i never saw below 40fps unless it was a stutter. here, where the inverse is true? every round starts at 10fps, and as the bots die the FPS slowly crawls back up @exio4 That's the neat thing. (edited)
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lemme put it this way on my iMac with a GPU nearly five times weaker than this one's GTX 1650, but paired with a third gen i5, at the lowest possible settings since YES I WAS GPU BOTTLENECKED, i was getting above 40fps at all times in a bot match. i never saw below 40fps unless it was a stutter. here, where the inverse is true? every round starts at 10fps, and as the bots die the FPS slowly crawls back up @exio4 That's the neat thing. (edited)
FX-6300, so not shocking, I owned a FX-6100, it was only usable against the pentium competitor because I needed real virtualization lol @ discord (edited)
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lemme put it this way on my iMac with a GPU nearly five times weaker than this one's GTX 1650, but paired with a third gen i5, at the lowest possible settings since YES I WAS GPU BOTTLENECKED, i was getting above 40fps at all times in a bot match. i never saw below 40fps unless it was a stutter. here, where the inverse is true? every round starts at 10fps, and as the bots die the FPS slowly crawls back up @exio4 That's the neat thing. (edited)
The 3rd gen i5 is a much better cpu btw, my old i7 2600s which was a low power sandy chip did 1500MB/s with an older version of zstd. Yours did 1000 kek
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:23 PM
ok but legit im getting like damn near the best performance i have ever seen out of anything running discord web in my life. the scrolling mwah buttery smooth, and minimal lag when typing in the chat box. i guess it helps that im running it in firefox, not chromium, and on a lightweight operating system with damn near half the CPU utilization of Windows 10.
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The 3rd gen i5 is a much better cpu btw, my old i7 2600s which was a low power sandy chip did 1500MB/s with an older version of zstd. Yours did 1000 kek
the fact that Apple's e-cores on <1W did better is just so fucking funny to me tho, like we all realize these are what an Apple Watch uses right? it's a smart watch cpu core (edited)
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ok but legit im getting like damn near the best performance i have ever seen out of anything running discord web in my life. the scrolling mwah buttery smooth, and minimal lag when typing in the chat box. i guess it helps that im running it in firefox, not chromium, and on a lightweight operating system with damn near half the CPU utilization of Windows 10.
I've found firefox to be much harder in the cpu btw, but if it works it works lol @exio4 Yeah the FX cpus perform like the ecores of m*c.
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yeah, Firefox is less performant on every system I own than Chrome (which in turn is slower than Safari on Apple Silicon)
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I've found firefox to be much harder in the cpu btw, but if it works it works lol @exio4 Yeah the FX cpus perform like the ecores of m*c.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:25 PM
i've found it to be true too, but weirdly it performs way better under linux, even for chromium-optimized webapps like discord edit: brave 🙁 (edited)
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I use the PWA of Brave for discord, the good thing of using the PWA is that you don't need to be running several different electron applications on your system, the bad news is that firefox dropped PWAs so it only works on chromium browsers. Like having whatsapp, discord and telegram running uses less than 2GB of ram for the whole system.
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i've found it to be true too, but weirdly it performs way better under linux, even for chromium-optimized webapps like discord edit: brave 🙁 (edited)
Can't escape brave, it has configurable keybinds and sync chain which I need lol
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i like safari's pwas in concept for discord, it'd SAVE so much power - with just benefits, no downsides, until I use cmd+1/2/3
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:27 PM
uh oh i accidentally pulled an all-nighter @Samueru i dont like brave. it's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it shills crypto everywhere.
12:29 PM
but legit, i dont really care what browser u use lmao. whatever works for u works! i just wish Safari was on more operating systems than macOS.
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uh oh i accidentally pulled an all-nighter @Samueru i dont like brave. it's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it shills crypto everywhere.
I used to use librewolf with a custom userChrome.css, but that shit was too many hacks to even remove a fuck up that mozilla did that by default they changed changing tabs to alt+123 instead of control+123 like every other browser does (they only did it on linux as well). The brave crypto ads just get disabled on the homepage, I don't even have to go to settings to do so And holy shit no other browser has the sync chain feature, like I was abusing that shit by having the browser cache on tmpfs and downloading it every time I booted the PC back in, only duckduckgo recently said that they will add it lol.
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what is sync chain also @LukeTheVideoGamer yes safari is good, but not perfect, I love it when I'm on the go tho, battery life goes from 6-7 hours to 12+
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what is sync chain also @LukeTheVideoGamer yes safari is good, but not perfect, I love it when I'm on the go tho, battery life goes from 6-7 hours to 12+
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:31 PM
no browser is truly perfect, but i feel personally that safari, and things like Orion by Kagi (love it or hate it), are the closest things to it for me personally
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what is sync chain also @LukeTheVideoGamer yes safari is good, but not perfect, I love it when I'm on the go tho, battery life goes from 6-7 hours to 12+
Like a crypto wallet but for the active tabs, bookmarks, etc, (you can also use it for the passwords but that is not a very secure practice). It also doesn't need email to work, and saves the extensions and more importantly extension settings!
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Like a crypto wallet but for the active tabs, bookmarks, etc, (you can also use it for the passwords but that is not a very secure practice). It also doesn't need email to work, and saves the extensions and more importantly extension settings!
i'm confused, like you mean end to end encrypted... bookmarks?
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i'm confused, like you mean end to end encrypted... bookmarks?
Like I can open my active tab from my pc on my smartphone without having to register in something like pocket in firefox.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:33 PM
(i did that btw, its neat but it didnt work other than the tabs thing) bastards said i could sync extensions but none of them did! grrr (edited)
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(i did that btw, its neat but it didnt work other than the tabs thing) bastards said i could sync extensions but none of them did! grrr (edited)
Brave syncs extensions and their settings as well.
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Apple does that w/ Safari, you do need to sign-up, but with ADP, everything is end to end encrypted https://support.apple.com/en-vn/102651 (for the extensions they don't, because they all work 100% on-device, and they're basically standalone apps that need to be signed and shit)
iCloud uses strong security methods, employs strict policies to protect your information, and leads the industry in using privacy-preserving security technologies like end-to-end encryption for your data.
12:35 PM
the only data w/ ADP that is on the cloud that doesn't get end to end encrypted is Mail, Contacts & Calendar, wish they did so for contacts & calendar, though - but apparently it's a technical reason
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This my cool one liner css that I use for librewolf, it would be great if I could only sync it with my smartphone and use PWAs lol
12:37 PM
Brave and all other browsers already have vertical tab support to save screen space, it is only firefox that is lacking them once again lol (although I think a fork of firefox has them)
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you can add them with an extension (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:38 PM
i dont particularly like vertical tabs. i know that most websites nowadays use far less horizontal space than before but it feels weird maximizing my browser and not having the whole webpage span the horizontal length of my display
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i dont particularly like vertical tabs. i know that most websites nowadays use far less horizontal space than before but it feels weird maximizing my browser and not having the whole webpage span the horizontal length of my display
You use PWAs for that type of application, and some let you hide the sidebar
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:40 PM
im a lil afraid to ask what "PWA" stands for and i do not know why yeah i guess that makes sense, it just feels odd for me personally
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Like the yellow border is being applied by my window manager, you would have no idea I'm using a web browser for discord.
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try cmd+1/2/3 i can't remember the keybinds, i just do them intuitively, to switch between discord servers (ctrl+1/2/3?) (edited)
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Like the yellow border is being applied by my window manager, you would have no idea I'm using a web browser for discord.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:41 PM
Oh, I have an idea. 🙂 vencord ftw i actually quite like this stuff it lets me know at a glance if someone's actually at their computer or if they're on their phone or a browser somewhere it's cool (edited)
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try cmd+1/2/3 i can't remember the keybinds, i just do them intuitively, to switch between discord servers (ctrl+1/2/3?) (edited)
I use vimium to navigate (another cool thing of PWAs is that you can use your extensions on the thing lol).
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you sure you dont have undiagnosed autism? (edited)
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I use vimium to navigate (another cool thing of PWAs is that you can use your extensions on the thing lol).
Notice the key combinations, if I press those keys I go to that link, they are seen by pressing g in my case (the default is f). @exio4 This is what happens when you try to use the keyboard only for everything, do not fall on the vim hole
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I already fell through it like a decade ago lol I used irssi & then weechat, under screen & eventually tmux (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:44 PM
time to make this T7 SSD btrfs
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you sure you dont have undiagnosed autism? (edited)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZO80CZB9Lw This is a good demo of a similar extension
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how old are u again
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Plus since my window manager has a tabbed layout, I usually keep discord, telegram and whatsapp as a single window and switch tabs with mod+s to left and mod+f to right, don't even have to use dedicated workspaces for each lol
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:47 PM
wait there's a utility called btrfs-convert????????????????????? edit: oh ok only for ext2/3/4 and reiserfs my copying of files from this exFAT disk to here was warranted (edited)
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how old are u again
28 @LukeTheVideoGamer I've heard horror stories from that tool so be careful lol
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oh ur older than me wack do u remember diaspora (edited)
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what
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the social network lol i guess ur newer to this my bad
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the social network lol i guess ur newer to this my bad
Nope, I've only been using linux since 2017, and the hardcore part with vimium and i3 since 2022 lol, used to use just regular xfce4 before
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:53 PM
hey, if i were to format an external disk to put btrfs on it, would it make sense to make it gpt over dos/mbr? or... (edited)
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hey, if i were to format an external disk to put btrfs on it, would it make sense to make it gpt over dos/mbr? or... (edited)
Doesn't really matter, the only difference is that dos limits you to 4 partitions. But I've never used btrfs on dos so don't quote me on that.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 12:54 PM
... yeah imma make this ssd gpt then
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i started using linux in 2007-2008, full-time in 2009-2010, but only got hardcore around 2011-2012 I also had mostly hard drives so I remember file compression being a massive help in throughput; while I even daily drove a "tty-only" linux + a single-window firefox on ctrl-alt-f7 i eventually went to uni in 2013, and got a job not long after and switched to normal ass ubuntu, and eventually got a m*c from my job
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12:55 PM
when was LXC's 1.0 release? I used it before then for context, I'm from '97
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i started using linux in 2007-2008, full-time in 2009-2010, but only got hardcore around 2011-2012 I also had mostly hard drives so I remember file compression being a massive help in throughput; while I even daily drove a "tty-only" linux + a single-window firefox on ctrl-alt-f7 i eventually went to uni in 2013, and got a job not long after and switched to normal ass ubuntu, and eventually got a m*c from my job
I don't do tty only because I have to wait for the monitor to change resolution and it takes 3 seconds every time lol
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when was LXC's 1.0 release? I used it before then for context, I'm from '97
You played with Btrfs in 2010? that shit was a deadwish back then.
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I don't do tty only because I have to wait for the monitor to change resolution and it takes 3 seconds every time lol
times have changed, i also ran an intel atom with shitty drivers, but a fixed 1024x600 display, so the scaling also worked differently also, yes, it was shit lol, btrfs lost my data multiple times, i assume it's finally production-ready by now, but i remember reading about btrfs becoming good next year for like forever (edited)
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I think it was worse than using bcachefs a year ago lol
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when did they introduce compression? i was basically beta testing that shit (memory is fuzzy, it's been a while, and i ultimately always went back to ext4) (edited)
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when did they introduce compression? i was basically beta testing that shit (memory is fuzzy, it's been a while, and i ultimately always went back to ext4) (edited)
I don't know, I'm very new to this. I never used unity either.
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I've haven't even used gentoo lol
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These days it is either Zstd or LZ4.
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i had an Intel Atom N270 I don't think I wanna run LZ4 or ZSTD on that
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i had an Intel Atom N270 I don't think I wanna run LZ4 or ZSTD on that
LZ4 is used on crappy android smartphones already.
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LZ4 is used on crappy android smartphones already.
give me an android soc, a really bad one
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exio4
give me an android soc, a really bad one
Whatever the moto g3 used lol
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96 single core, 182 multi core n270 does 70/100
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I don't remember if the og moto g with kitkat used zstd with zram, check that one either way
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it likely didn't, i remember having to hack in compressed ram back in the day i did root my phone the days are long gone, now i want a phone that works 🙏
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Btw since lz4 was mentioned:
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is that single core?
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Btw since lz4 was mentioned:
@exio4 If you think you could run into a use case where the decompression speed of zstd is the bottleneck on some crappy device, you would use lz4 instead which doesn't have the great compression ratio. Yes single core.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 1:10 PM
THIS ISNT MODERN TO THEM ANYMORE???
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(base) exio4•~» lz4 -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1938.7 MB/s ,11038.4 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1940.6 MB/s ,11053.7 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 120.8 MB/s ,5392.4 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 94.2 MB/s ,5368.4 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 84.1 MB/s ,5370.1 MB/s (base) exio4•~» taskpolicy -b -- lz4 -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707), 419.0 MB/s ,3369.9 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707), 575.3 MB/s ,4503.7 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 44.9 MB/s ,2281.5 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 32.7 MB/s ,1937.6 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 26.2 MB/s ,1575.7 MB/s
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THIS ISNT MODERN TO THEM ANYMORE???
Oh boy I've gotten rid of all my google accounts years ago lol
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its quite worse than i expected, if i'm honest
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(base) exio4•~» lz4 -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1938.7 MB/s ,11038.4 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1940.6 MB/s ,11053.7 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 120.8 MB/s ,5392.4 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 94.2 MB/s ,5368.4 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 84.1 MB/s ,5370.1 MB/s (base) exio4•~» taskpolicy -b -- lz4 -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707), 419.0 MB/s ,3369.9 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707), 575.3 MB/s ,4503.7 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 44.9 MB/s ,2281.5 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 32.7 MB/s ,1937.6 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 26.2 MB/s ,1575.7 MB/s
lz4 vs zstd: Notice that when the compression ratio of lz4 gets near zstd, it is actually much slower on compression that it is not worth it.
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i assume the ARM versions are still shit
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zstd ftw
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I'm really wondering why the fuck the ARM version is so slow tbh, is this just a weakness of Apple Silicon?
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5800X, underclocked exio4@nx-ryzen:~ $ lz4 -e5 -b1;echo '------';zstd -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1770.3 MB/s ,11429.4 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1724.9 MB/s ,11433.5 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 129.9 MB/s ,5472.9 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 107.6 MB/s ,5445.2 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 100.2 MB/s ,5411.5 MB/s ------ 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154550 (3.170), 754.8 MB/s ,2767.2 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3130467 (3.194), 576.8 MB/s ,2720.3 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3231410 (3.095), 316.2 MB/s ,2191.2 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3346301 (2.988), 268.2 MB/s ,1890.6 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3335646 (2.998), 106.3 MB/s ,1712.3 MB/s exio4@nx-ryzen:~ $ M2 Max (Battery Saver: Off) bash-3.2$ lz4 -e5 -b1;echo '------';zstd -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1918.9 MB/s ,10959.7 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1926.1 MB/s ,11042.0 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 120.7 MB/s ,5384.5 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 93.4 MB/s ,5354.4 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 83.9 MB/s ,5378.4 MB/s ------ 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 969.1 MB/s, 2532.6 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 762.5 MB/s, 2450.9 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 435.3 MB/s, 1895.6 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 359.2 MB/s, 1735.3 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 180.5 MB/s, 1697.9 MB/s bash-3.2$ M2 Max (Battery Saver: On) bash-3.2$ lz4 -e5 -b1;echo '------';zstd -e5 -b1 Benchmarking levels from 1 to 5 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1897.0 MB/s ,8931.4 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 5859357 (1.707),1323.7 MB/s ,7532.5 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4560720 (2.193), 82.7 MB/s ,3671.4 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4534386 (2.205), 63.8 MB/s ,3663.4 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 4529772 (2.208), 56.8 MB/s ,3645.7 MB/s ------ 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 669.9 MB/s, 1704.8 MB/s 2#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3129112 (x3.196), 526.4 MB/s 1667.4 MB/s 3#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3230847 (x3.095), 302.4 MB/s, 1324.5 MB/s 4#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3345685 (x2.989), 253.3 MB/s, 1215.8 MB/s 5#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3296620 (x3.033), 126.6 MB/s, 1184.6 MB/s bash-3.2$
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That's amazing that you get near 2GB/s in compression on the M2. (AMD Chips aren't that great at zstd btw, phoronix showed that it is only intel and apple that are). (edited)
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I get higher performance on the 5800X lol
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exio4
I get higher performance on the 5800X lol
wut what
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i just sent the results, 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154550 (3.170), 754.8 MB/s ,2767.2 MB/s | 5800X 1#Synthetic 50% : 10000000 -> 3154223 (x3.170), 969.1 MB/s, 2532.6 MB/s | M2 Max (edited)
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I'm seeing that the M2 has better compression speed than the AMD chip
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I'm seeing that the M2 has better compression speed than the AMD chip
bash-3.2 is the M2 nx-ryzen is the 5800X wait, it is Compression,Decompression; right? I was looking at Decompression, I'm dumb still not happy with the decompression speed tho lol (edited)
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bash-3.2 is the M2 nx-ryzen is the 5800X wait, it is Compression,Decompression; right? I was looking at Decompression, I'm dumb still not happy with the decompression speed tho lol (edited)
Yeah I said compression speed. At that point decompression doesn't matter, you are getting over 2GB/s on a single thread. btw this what I meant with phoronix:
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rizzsensei 3/3/2024 1:25 PM
i lost my progress but idk how i just recently repaird my yuzu cuz it was abutbuggy but now after i lostmy saves??
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Yeah I said compression speed. At that point decompression doesn't matter, you are getting over 2GB/s on a single thread. btw this what I meant with phoronix:
2GB/s is still really low though, this chip has >200GB/s of memory bandwidth lz4 also seems slow (edited)
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i lost my progress but idk how i just recently repaird my yuzu cuz it was abutbuggy but now after i lostmy saves??
Might wanna ask on the support channels. @exio4 My nvme ssd can only do 3GB/s reads, like you would need what, 2 cores to max out most ssds? But I see you're talking about memory now
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Might wanna ask on the support channels. @exio4 My nvme ssd can only do 3GB/s reads, like you would need what, 2 cores to max out most ssds? But I see you're talking about memory now
the ssd on this thingy can do >7GB/s too
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the ssd on this thingy can do >7GB/s too
3 threads then, and that is assuming you have a workload that would actually do a continous read like that, most will be random where if anything the compression helps instead.
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3 threads is 37.5% of the threads i've got meow
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3 threads is 37.5% of the threads i've got meow
It is never going to be an issue my dude.
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ik, im more worried about memory compression tbh
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Well it is either that or swapping uncompressed data to the ssd which is like no wtf
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nah the question is why lz4 doesn’t get to do bigger numbers? iirc its the format used for memory compression (edited)
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can't wait for realtime zstd compression on my router, all internet gets reduced automatically (no idea what i'm saying lol)
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nah the question is why lz4 doesn’t get to do bigger numbers? iirc its the format used for memory compression (edited)
Zstd is being made by the same person that made lz4, what has happened is that once again, since 6.0 it has gotten insanely good, like it had a 2X improvement and now lz4 is like shit what do I do lol
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Zstd is being made by the same person that made lz4, what has happened is that once again, since 6.0 it has gotten insanely good, like it had a 2X improvement and now lz4 is like shit what do I do lol
i mean on mac
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exio4
i mean on mac
Could you compare the two again I don't know what the issue is lol
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Could you compare the two again I don't know what the issue is lol
mac doesn’t offer zstd memory compression
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exio4
mac doesn’t offer zstd memory compression
Neither does android, it is a very recent thing where zstd is now viable. edit: lz4 is better than nothing for now I guess. (edited)
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Neither does android, it is a very recent thing where zstd is now viable. edit: lz4 is better than nothing for now I guess. (edited)
it doesn’t even default to lz4 all the time lol
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exio4
it doesn’t even default to lz4 all the time lol
Android iirc it is either lz4, deflate or lzo/lzo-rle. yeah...
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Android iirc it is either lz4, deflate or lzo/lzo-rle. yeah...
its dynamic on macos afaik, depends on memory pressure
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My lineageOS phone came with lz4 by default, nothing else
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imo thats the best way to handle it, dynamically choose the algorithm
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Nah, just throw zstd at everything and called it a day.
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more memory pressure = use more demanding compression methods, little memory pressure= actually use something you can do at 100GB/s easily
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more memory pressure = use more demanding compression methods, little memory pressure= actually use something you can do at 100GB/s easily
The thing is that if there wasn't memory pressure you shouldn't even be compressing/decompressing anything.
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The thing is that if there wasn't memory pressure you shouldn't even be compressing/decompressing anything.
why? lol you can compress memory to cache files and avoid I/O and memory pressure isnt binary, its dynamic
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why? lol you can compress memory to cache files and avoid I/O and memory pressure isnt binary, its dynamic
I don't know then lol EDIT: There are other kernel parameters that deal with that btw. (edited)
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this is macOS right now for example memory pressure is low - there isn't a high demand for lots of memory at once; it compressed memory and has cached lots of stuff
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this is macOS right now for example memory pressure is low - there isn't a high demand for lots of memory at once; it compressed memory and has cached lots of stuff
did you ever had a high memory pressure before that? I've found that only if I play a game, then my kernel does swap some stuff which I assume it is from my non active tasks since my memory pressure is still low. Like right now I have 800MB swapped, and that was because I was gaming a while ago, wouldn't have anything compresed hadn't I done that. EDIT: And I have the swappiness very high btw, even with that it does not swap unless I'm gaming. (edited)
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did you ever had a high memory pressure before that? I've found that only if I play a game, then my kernel does swap some stuff which I assume it is from my non active tasks since my memory pressure is still low. Like right now I have 800MB swapped, and that was because I was gaming a while ago, wouldn't have anything compresed hadn't I done that. EDIT: And I have the swappiness very high btw, even with that it does not swap unless I'm gaming. (edited)
I guess while starting up apps like that spike there? macOS is very much compressing just in case a lot of times, I'm actually shocked there isn't any swap used too (that tells you memory pressure hasn't been anywhere near even 'yellow')
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I guess while starting up apps like that spike there? macOS is very much compressing just in case a lot of times, I'm actually shocked there isn't any swap used too (that tells you memory pressure hasn't been anywhere near even 'yellow')
yeah linux doesn't swap just because you're idling. There is no spike when starting apps up. But when the kernel had the hugepage bug, I found that starting the web browser with 2GB of ram did cause a small delay because the system began to swap the moment it was opened.
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not really feeling it rn apple
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Also I tested mounting my entire root to mem a while ago, there was surprisingly no difference, like it only saved 100ms starting the web browser vs using the ssd.
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that is because your OS should be using prefetching shit ideally lol also, swapping/compressing because you need memory, like right now now is bad, that is when memory pressure hits yellow & red that hurts latency, you should do it ahead of time (edited)
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that is because your OS should be using prefetching shit ideally lol also, swapping/compressing because you need memory, like right now now is bad, that is when memory pressure hits yellow & red that hurts latency, you should do it ahead of time (edited)
Should've drop caches before testing lol
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But I don't know how much it does, I know ZFS does it for the entire filesystem and achieves better benchmarks, but only that, benchmarks.
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i think i need to reboot my speaker 😦
1:58 PM
>no software way to reboot lmao time to find the outlet
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>no software way to reboot lmao time to find the outlet
Turn off the only mcb you have if you can't find it lol
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But I don't know how much it does, I know ZFS does it for the entire filesystem and achieves better benchmarks, but only that, benchmarks.
a lot of caching is shit, if you're not doing things ahead of time that is why Apple tries to do it ahead of time, because if you need to do it with a tight frametime window your experience is trash and doesn't really improve what do u mean by mcb (edited)
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a lot of caching is shit, if you're not doing things ahead of time that is why Apple tries to do it ahead of time, because if you need to do it with a tight frametime window your experience is trash and doesn't really improve what do u mean by mcb (edited)
By mcb I mean your breaker lol. In linux I don't think there is much caching going on for applications, because for that there's stuff recommended on the arch wiki like preload and gopreload. EDIT: And zfs does it for the whole filesystem, like if you tried to do the crystaldisk benchmark on a zfs partition the results will be insanely good because even though you are not using tmpfs zfs does it automatically lol (edited)
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oh i see, no, lol compressing memory with a very lightweight algorithm, just in case, is a great way to have free memory for a new app right on demand even if the compression ratio isn't that good, the idea is that starting a new app, or suddenly loading something will not need you to compress ASAP
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oh i see, no, lol compressing memory with a very lightweight algorithm, just in case, is a great way to have free memory for a new app right on demand even if the compression ratio isn't that good, the idea is that starting a new app, or suddenly loading something will not need you to compress ASAP
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macOS has 2 algorithms, one from the 90s and LZ4 AFAIK also, linux benchmarks for an OS that pro-actively compresses just in case is like bringing up cyberpunk gpu benchmarks for e-sports cpu comparisons macOS doesn't even use LZ4 on intel iirc lol (edited)
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macOS has 2 algorithms, one from the 90s and LZ4 AFAIK also, linux benchmarks for an OS that pro-actively compresses just in case is like bringing up cyberpunk gpu benchmarks for e-sports cpu comparisons macOS doesn't even use LZ4 on intel iirc lol (edited)
When you say for an OS that pro actively compresses you mean macos right?
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When you say for an OS that pro actively compresses you mean macos right?
yes, the tradeoffs are different, macOS doesn't want to (de)compress the memory you actually use in real-time
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I really don't know what macos is doing, the fact that it still uses the physical disk as swap rings an alarm on me lol Or how the needlessly complicated /bin/sh with an universal binary instead of just using a darn symlink lmao.
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Oh boy exio is still typing, should not have said that lol
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from what I understand, it works on a tiered system:
  • normal, uncompressed memory (good)
  • compressed memory, that you have compressed just in case, or because you want to avoid hitting more I/O - the goal here is speed & latency
=> you don't "care" about compression ratios, memory can be 200GB/s, you aren't decompressing at that speed, so you are nerfing the CPU hard there
  • compressed, but like heavily compressed [better than real swap, but also not the end of the world]
  • disk swap [useful to throw some extra stuff you might not need asap, etc]
memory pressure AFAIK is basically a rough % of how much the OS has to work to get normal uncompressed memory yellow is when it is very much forced to use swap to keep latency in check, red is when your latency is shit and the OS is getting unusable after red is OOM
2:13 PM
I think macOS can swap preemptively, and keep the live version in memory compressed, so if it needs to send that to swap, it's basically free, you've already done it windows too? I think? (edited)
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Android doesn't use physical swap and even on my 4GB phone I could load mario wonder on yuzu and play a bit, the lz4 compression on zram was just enough to get it going. WIndows is horrible handling memory, it losses againts zRAM with lz4 (WITH LZ4 which has the bad compression ratio!!!) even though windows has the pagefile (edited)
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yeah windows is why i kept upgrading my RAM lol I got 2x8GB, thought it'd be as usable as my 8GB macbook, it was trash, did like 15?20?TB of writes in 2-3 months to my SATA SSD or something insane, got another 2x8G kit, and then picked up 2x16 and got rid of an 2x8 kit (edited)
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Like a while ago there was someone on yuzu general saying that yuzu has to fix their "memory leak bug" because windows was filling out all the pagefile lol. 32GB pagefile iirc (edited)
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16 => 32 => 48 all of that just to have the system be responsive, macOS doesn't need any of that lol, 32GB on this laptop is vastly more responsive than 48 on windows, the only case where windows 100% wins is when a single active app needs a big dataset in memory that is just not possible to fit on this laptop's memory
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And you will likely be able to get that single app working on linux just fine with less memory and a properly configured zram.
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i mean, maybe? the only workloads i've got that truly need memory are LLMs, and those are memory bandwidth benchmarks, gpu & mlock puts me above my 22GB or so of VRAM and performance goes down the shitter after that because macOS starts compressing with the CPU and bandwidth goes down from 400GB/s to 200GB/s and then to 7GB/s off the SSD if i avoid mlock (keep the whole file in memory), and letting macOS just handle it like a memory mapped file, it'll be a bit better (edited)
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Only one way to find out then lol
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not really, and I don't think they've got GPU acceleration for LLMs on asahi so it'll be a cpu benchmark, where the CPU is like 30% of the speed of the GPU anyway 😛
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not really, and I don't think they've got GPU acceleration for LLMs on asahi so it'll be a cpu benchmark, where the CPU is like 30% of the speed of the GPU anyway 😛
Well gotta go, see ya soon
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GPU-only time to first token: 0.29s | gen t: 10.27s | speed: 48.20 tok/s time to first token: 0.15s | gen t: 7.01s | speed: 49.70 tok/s CPU-only time to first token: 1.92s | gen t: 34.62s | speed: 18.27 tok/s see ya @Samueru (edited)
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@exio4 so turns out the light reflection setting apparently also controls maximum roughness based on the config file and there's an AO quality setting but on the ui it's just on/off, so i guess it's automatically adjusted with GI too (edited)
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oh lol that makes sense
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That still doesn't explain the bricks, because going by the textures there's rougher areas where the reflections do get applied, and it still seems to ignore the normal map unless you have the highest setting
2:35 PM
RenderingMethod=true ok
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"yes, we should render graphics"
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That's the native/interlaced switch, I'm guessing they also think native rendering is the only TRUE pixels
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https://github.com/win32ss/supermium yeah bro, keep your xp box connected to the internets
Chromium fork for Windows XP/2003 and up. Contribute to win32ss/supermium development by creating an account on GitHub.
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https://github.com/win32ss/supermium yeah bro, keep your xp box connected to the internets
windows 98 was the best windows.
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https://youtu.be/-eTSRngwAK0?t=348 soc so bad it even fucks up the camera
typical tbh
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"yes, we should render graphics"
Had to lower textures to 1GB so it won't randomly lower frame rate when vram fills up 😔
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From a low end 2020 xiaomi smartphone lol
4:31 PM
Half the speed of an FX cpu for zstd lol
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what gpu do you recommend for yuzu rtx 3050 or rx 6600
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Samueru
From a low end 2020 xiaomi smartphone lol
do u have a place to get static binaries for zstd & lz4 for arm....
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exio4
do u have a place to get static binaries for zstd & lz4 for arm....
termux, are you going to try it on the iphone?
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no, my moto g9 play & pixel 3a, it comes with these pre-installed? also, what is a good remote desktop solution for android so i dont have to connect my bluetooth keyboard
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no, my moto g9 play & pixel 3a, it comes with these pre-installed? also, what is a good remote desktop solution for android so i dont have to connect my bluetooth keyboard
Just install termux apk from their github repo and do: pkg install zstd pkg install lz4 Done, easy on the touch keyboard
4:58 PM
You can also adb shell thru your pc to your smartphone, but starting it on termux is a bit more complicated
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>touch keyboard bro i use gboard does the fdroid version work (edited)
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>touch keyboard bro i use gboard does the fdroid version work (edited)
The F-Droid version has broken mirrors iirc, but you can give it a shot
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https://github.com/termux/termux-app/releases downloading the latest version (v0.118.0)
Termux - a terminal emulator application for Android OS extendible by variety of packages. - termux/termux-app
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is pkg.. apt-get?
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is pkg.. apt-get?
No idea, I dont use termux much, it pretty much tells you what to do either way lol
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what gpu do you recommend for yuzu rtx 3050 or rx 6600
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6600 for yuzu, i think
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i mean i know 6600 is better for gaming than rtx 3050 but for emulation idk if its better (edited)
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is pkg.. apt-get?
__fastcall 3/3/2024 5:09 PM
pkg is pkg from freebsd
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i mean i know 6600 is better for gaming than rtx 3050 but for emulation idk if its better (edited)
Some games are not playable on vulkan on rdna2 and 3 btw
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@Samueru ur phone is faster btw @Krito 3050 punches above its weight but the 6600 is just too much faster for raster, if raw performance is what matters... if you do blender, use the encoder, etc and game compatibility is key, 3050 will actually do better, yeah @__fastcall it installed a .deb, i'm asking about termux's pkg
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@Samueru ur phone is faster btw @Krito 3050 punches above its weight but the 6600 is just too much faster for raster, if raw performance is what matters... if you do blender, use the encoder, etc and game compatibility is key, 3050 will actually do better, yeah @__fastcall it installed a .deb, i'm asking about termux's pkg
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oh android, yucky
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@Samueru ur phone is faster btw @Krito 3050 punches above its weight but the 6600 is just too much faster for raster, if raw performance is what matters... if you do blender, use the encoder, etc and game compatibility is key, 3050 will actually do better, yeah @__fastcall it installed a .deb, i'm asking about termux's pkg
Show the result!
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@Samueru ur phone is faster btw @Krito 3050 punches above its weight but the 6600 is just too much faster for raster, if raw performance is what matters... if you do blender, use the encoder, etc and game compatibility is key, 3050 will actually do better, yeah @__fastcall it installed a .deb, i'm asking about termux's pkg
thanks! im going for the rtx 3050
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@Samueru
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Like 10% slower than my phone, not bad. Thats the pixel or moto?
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Moto G9 Play, paid around $100 for it - used, but cheapest way to get 4GB & 64GB (and USB-C)
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Moto G9 Play, paid around $100 for it - used, but cheapest way to get 4GB & 64GB (and USB-C)
Thats ok, my redmi 9 4/64GB was 140 usd in 2020 (edited)
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i did buy it from a carrier's used phones page, with their own warranty lol, so i overpaid for it technically booting up my pixel 3a rn (edited)
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Wanna see the pixel and if possible the iphone. Like the iphone should even reach +2GB/s
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how do i run it on ios tho lol
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how do i run it on ios tho lol
Is it impossible to get something like termux in there?
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pretty much impossible yeah you can get VMs and shit kinda but thats gonna have a lot of overhead (edited)
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pretty much impossible yeah you can get VMs and shit kinda but thats gonna have a lot of overhead (edited)
Thats bad, termux doesnt even need root on android for this lol
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its bad for running CLI apps, yes
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Inb4 sideloading to get a single arm binary to do a benchmark lol
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you cant sideload a single binary lol, it has to be an .ipa
5:23 PM
@Samueru pixel 3a
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@Samueru pixel 3a
Cool, similar in zstd and faster in lz4
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what is ur soc pixel 3a is snapdragon 670 moto g9 play is snapdragon 662 (edited)
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Redmi 9 is Helio G80
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i assume the same core type tbh if you find a way to benchmark this on iOS, hmu lol (edited)
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Redmi 9 is Helio G80
Plenty of new cheap smartphones still use that soc btw
5:28 PM
Now I dont know if I could run the benchmark on the ecore of the smartphone btw. Also I dont know if my cpu scheduler doesnt like termux, games need a turbo thing on android (edited)
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funny geekbench numbers lol
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Like it is posible all these benchmarks we did were all ran on the ecores lol (edited)
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i dont think so, apple e-cores are on a league above everybody else lol
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exio4
i dont think so, apple e-cores are on a league above everybody else lol
Android is known for having these quirks where you need to tell it to use the pcores for certain tasks
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exio4
funny geekbench numbers lol
Also what is this?
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Samueru
Android is known for having these quirks where you need to tell it to use the pcores for certain tasks
you might be on point, but like running on the p-core but downclocked
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you might be on point, but like running on the p-core but downclocked
Yes, thats what I meant when I mentioned the scheduler
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the performance is too good for the e-cores, I think my pixel 3a's e-cores should be around 20% of the IPC of Apple's A15 e-cores also, this is the screenshot (edited)
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CeruleanMango 3/3/2024 5:37 PM
hi guys! if anyone went and is still going in germany to school , i need some help with my surface tablet
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the performance is too good for the e-cores, I think my pixel 3a's e-cores should be around 20% of the IPC of Apple's A15 e-cores also, this is the screenshot (edited)
Ah I see, yes I know this, thats why I said the iphone should wipe the floor on this lol
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Ah I see, yes I know this, thats why I said the iphone should wipe the floor on this lol
the e-cores on Apple's side are particularly nuts, the p-cores are like.. good yeah, but they use big power to get to peak power, but the e-cores are 🤤
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the e-cores on Apple's side are particularly nuts, the p-cores are like.. good yeah, but they use big power to get to peak power, but the e-cores are 🤤
Easy 2GB/s then
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yes, my laptop and phone both have the same core types lol
5:41 PM
i think my watch is on 7nm so their older e-cores tho 😔 and so is my smart speaker... on tsmc 7nm Noo @CeruleanMango we're not germans, but what do you need? maybe we can help
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CeruleanMango 3/3/2024 5:41 PM
i wanna dual boot my surface but its bios locked. and the funny thing is they disabled in the bios the sd card reader too
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>According to Apple the SiP has two CPU cores based on the Apple A13 and offers 20% more performance than the old Apple S5 in the Watch Series 5. yeah, i've got A13 e-cores on my watch 😛
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i wanna dual boot my surface but its bios locked. and the funny thing is they disabled in the bios the sd card reader too
Has mango in their name and a pic of a cat hmmm (sorry you reminded me of someone else in this discord lol)
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i wanna dual boot my surface but its bios locked. and the funny thing is they disabled in the bios the sd card reader too
oh, it's a particular german school thing, rip i dunno how to help there lol
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Has mango in their name and a pic of a cat hmmm (sorry you reminded me of someone else in this discord lol)
CeruleanMango 3/3/2024 5:44 PM
im the original mangoest mango, i can assure u of that LUL
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im the original mangoest mango, i can assure u of that LUL
notlaurence 3/3/2024 5:44 PM
them be fighting words
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what cpu core do airpods use
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what cpu core do airpods use
notlaurence 3/3/2024 5:47 PM
they go to the Intel binning factory, take a knife, and get a tiny sliver of the lowest binned i3s kekflip
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what cpu core do airpods use
Dont you have something like an android based tv where you could also try those benchmarks?
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apple documenting this nowhere to be seen lol @Samueru apple TV 4K uses an A15, the same chip as my phone - but with an e-core removed if you mean android device, I only own my pixel 3a & moto g9 play (within my reach, and that boot) (edited)
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apple documenting this nowhere to be seen lol @Samueru apple TV 4K uses an A15, the same chip as my phone - but with an e-core removed if you mean android device, I only own my pixel 3a & moto g9 play (within my reach, and that boot) (edited)
Damn overkill. And yes I meant android since that could run termux
5:50 PM
Inb4 some cheap android tv out there can do 1GB/s like an FX6300 lol
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Damn overkill. And yes I meant android since that could run termux
apple tv 4k is unironically one of the best value products in the market in overall performance, you can pick the base model for $129 and the one with ethernet (and 128gb storage instead of 64) for $149 in america before tax lol (edited)
5:51 PM
that's basically doing iphone 13/13 mini performance, because it has a bigger heatsink than the phones iirc
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 5:51 PM
mandatory proof their profit margins are insane
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apple tv 4k is unironically one of the best value products in the market in overall performance, you can pick the base model for $129 and the one with ethernet (and 128gb storage instead of 64) for $149 in america before tax lol (edited)
Cool
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mandatory proof their profit margins are insane
they lost money on homepods & sold the older Apple TV at cost... for more money - https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/02/apple-tv-homepod-margins/ just fwiw, lol they just have a console-like approach to them for ~ecosystem purposes~, instead of their phones where they make money on them at decent margins + rent-seeking (edited)
5:55 PM
 wait, there's an Apple emoji? how does this look on other platforms? https://emojipedia.org/apple-logo
The logo for Apple Inc is a Private Use Area (PUA) character that is supported on iOS and macOS. This character is not recommended for interchange as it is...
5:58 PM
broken on Windows lol
5:59 PM
safari doesn't render the apple emoji.... lol only chrome does https://www.reddit.com/r/appletv/comments/16phcyc/just_got_an_apple_4k_tv_yesterday_why_didnt_i_get/ reddit does render it on safari (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 5:59 PM
google chad?
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that's rare
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but not on windows
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but not on windows
That kinda looks like an apple
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i wish apple tv were a thing here in argentina would be sick to have a tv box that doesn't take 3 minutes to boot
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:09 PM
truth
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truth
or is spyware i recommend the cheapest chromecasts and using phones here lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:18 PM
yeah those boxes are just spyware
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yeah those boxes are just spyware
great value tho
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:19 PM
lies
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did you look at their price?
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literally 100 bucks
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what are the alternatives? it's what you have, at that price bracket, you know, something something apple dropped the low-end market wait let me read the log and your arguments and copy them later
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rtx 3050 for 223 dollars its ok? or too expensive
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where are you from?
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what are the alternatives? it's what you have, at that price bracket, you know, something something apple dropped the low-end market wait let me read the log and your arguments and copy them later
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:31 PM
plugging the laptop
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hope it lasts a whole movie
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exio4
 wait, there's an Apple emoji? how does this look on other platforms? https://emojipedia.org/apple-logo
Doesn't work on Android for me
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hope it lasts a whole movie
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:33 PM
linux my dude, 7 hours of video
6:33 PM
thank you microsoft
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what about the display engine lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:34 PM
wayland on intel runs well, it's not nvidia
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no tearing, no stuttering
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@Krito 223 in america sounds fine i think, it's the 8GB edition right? don't get the 6GB one by accident
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wayland on intel runs well, it's not nvidia
display engine's power consumption i meant
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:37 PM
i get more battery life than browsing, 7 hours
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vs 4-5
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we watched two movies on it
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plus, how hard is it to plug in a laptop, you have to do it for the apple tv too
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150 bucks doesn't give you a battery
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... the apple tv is always plugged in
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is there a normal laptop that can play the LotR trilogy in one charge? extended edition
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is there a normal laptop that can play the LotR trilogy in one charge? extended edition
asking google, less than 12 hours? that's not even a lot today lol
6:40 PM
you don't even need a macbook for 12 hours of pure video playback...
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:41 PM
at the price they ask for those tv boxes, you either go chromecast (you better have a good phone), or just use a laptop/pc
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you don't even need a macbook for 12 hours of pure video playback...
on windows tho
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:41 PM
2 wires is no problem for regular human beings
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at the price they ask for those tv boxes, you either go chromecast (you better have a good phone), or just use a laptop/pc
Most overpriced streaming box I've ever seen
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@Krito 223 in america sounds fine i think, it's the 8GB edition right? don't get the 6GB one by accident
yes its the 8gb edition bro
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Do iPhones even have a DeX-like solution for casting or wired displays, or is it literally just the standard phone on a big screen?
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:44 PM
iirc they do
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and it's a much better one
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Ah, guess it just doesn't work on my "cheap" most modern iPad Mini 6th Generation livereaction
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:45 PM
there's a compatibility list for this, exio must jknow it
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@Egdarska 6800U should do 12 hours on a big battery without a dGPU but macbooks will do 20+ hours on it with lower Wh, just remember to turn off the keyboard backlight 😛 @GoldenX86_64 all of these suck in how user friendly they are, but you don't need a good phone tho, it's surprisingly fine with anything @Krito sick, seems fine then @Moonlacer what do u mean by overpriced? the apple tv or the android tv boxes? apple tv 4k is pretty well priced for a tv box, it's basically the TV box equivalent of comparing a RX 3060 vs the 6500 XT android tv boxes are usually very cheap but trash, or you get nvidia shield which .. is like.. you know, not competitive, and expensive lol @Moonlacer they don't do DeX-like stuff, it's just screen mirroring, only got 1 display engine; but AirPlay for casting is way better than Miracast/Google's solution, in some apps, e.g. you can cast a presentation from Apple's Keynote with extremely low latency, etc - it's just.. that you're into their ecosystem, it's trash elsewhere usually before anybody mentions "apple doing a weird backward solutions", video AirPlay existed before MiraCast, by like 4 years lol, audio AirPlay by like 10 years - they still should adopted some form of compatibility tho
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 6:49 PM
Shield is dead too, iirc
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So it doesn't support fullscreen display casting livereaction
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it does support fullscreen screen mirroring, it's just standard phone on big screen like you said
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But will it be 16:9, or just whatever aspect ratio the device has?
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phone aspect ratio
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I used Airplay more than most about 6-8 years ago, but as soon as DeX and YouTube streaming from device happened I never used it again. The YouTube method is obviously different than DeX, because it basically just sends the exact URL to the TV and it loads it natively there, AFAIK (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:54 PM
ok so dex is "better" for a desktop use
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compression, but i get windows
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(if you can live with android apps' behavior there too)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:54 PM
it's nowhere close to ideal
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a 4gb linux laptop is better kek
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Meanwhile I can stream my phone to a display and Play Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in 16:9 livereaction
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:55 PM
dude smash off a phone feels weird
6:55 PM
"here's a faster, silent switch"
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does samsung have special wifi shit for casting? on my pixel 3a & motorola (yeah, budget phones) the latency made them unusable for real-time stuff (edited)
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There is a small performance loss while casting, but when the game is easy to run it's just fine
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 6:56 PM
they have some weird protocol, but i doubt the wifi has anything special
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If you have decent networking stuff the latency is fine
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airplay is kinda mid, because it is only peer to peer if you're not connected to wifi lol
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The ultimate solution
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 7:00 PM
neither solution is a true desktop, sadly
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old dex offered running a linux distro, that was perfect
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budget cuts killed it
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man when are we getting the official steamos release
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sonic dream team (on the phone, streamed to the laptop) sonic dream team (natively on the laptop) both on the monitor just for context
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(both at 100% resolution scaling, assuming the mac is rendering at 2160p, the phone at 1080p?)
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phone screenshot
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GoldenX86_64
"here's a faster, silent switch"
Awesomeangotti 3/3/2024 7:28 PM
And it fits better in your pocket!
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GoldenX86_64
neither solution is a true desktop, sadly
Yeah, unfortunately. But that's the future I imagine, one device to rule them all 😛
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If devices were powerful enough and apps supported standard aspect ratios, you could absolutely do basic video/photo editing or gaming on them (edited)
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And it fits better in your pocket!
Like a real Nintendo handheld of old
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I want someone else's opinion to see if i'm just crazy, even though the art styles are very different, does it seem to anyone else like the banner for state of mind is "heavily influenced" by quantum break?
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i cant watch that, remedy optimizing for pascal hurts my feelings fr
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exio4
i cant watch that, remedy optimizing for pascal hurts my feelings fr
1080 ti relevant for gaming fr
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exio4
i cant watch that, remedy optimizing for pascal hurts my feelings fr
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:48 PM
finewine only matters for new stuff be like kek
8:48 PM
this is good news not only for pascal lovers, but for igpu users too
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alan wake on vega 7, not to be confused with radeon Vega VII (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:49 PM
vega 3
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did they optimize the mesh shader path too? or just vertex
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:49 PM
most likely just vertex
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now i wanna see xe + fsr3 mod doing 15 fps
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did they optimize the mesh shader path too? or just vertex
seems just vertex, but there's some performance improvement on modern gpus too
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:50 PM
now i can stop calling it a good game tech demo
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when you're so insane that running on 7 year old GPUs is what defines something as a tech demo or not can you tell me what you smoke smh
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:51 PM
shit market you defend
8:52 PM
damn, first game that has maxwell v2 specific issues
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i cant watch that, remedy optimizing for pascal hurts my feelings fr
60fps on a 1080 ti 720p low/med settings
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:54 PM
1070 doing 30
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god damn the 580 does bad
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rdna1 doing better than pascal, top kek
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1070 doing 30 is too much for my feelings
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:55 PM
what's the 1650 pulling here?
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exio4
1070 doing 30 is too much for my feelings
how about the 1060 doing 30 with ps5 performance settings? also that's the forest, the rest of the game probably does better (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:57 PM
nooo my tech demo game now supports old hardware, i've been betrayed by big gpu
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whenever i was doing like 40 in the forest it was almost locked 60 everywhere else
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How old is the rx 5700? It's doing 1060 numbers lol
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nooo my tech demo game now supports old hardware, i've been betrayed by big gpu
i dont even own it, its an epic exclusive, but id rather devs spend time optimizing for modern hardware
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 8:59 PM
player base is critical, and studios are realising it people are not upgrading GPUs as fast as before because the market is TRASH
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you still need modern hardware to play the game as it should look tho.
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:00 PM
that is done, it's a pretty AF game on modern GPUs
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why didn't they test the 750 ti?😡
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:01 PM
the 970 was beat by the 580, no point on it
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player base is critical, and studios are realising it people are not upgrading GPUs as fast as before because the market is TRASH
you're gonna be coping in 10 years when transistors haven't gotten cheaper, and it'll be even more boring
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:02 PM
we all move to consoles then
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pc gaming will be dead if a GPU costs 500 bucks for 15 fps
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lol, the 750 ti was getting 6fps at 720p low before the patch, it should be an easy 10 now, almost 18 with fsr3 mod
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that's the trick, NVIDIA will do AI enhanced reprojection and it'll be fine™️ for the people that aren't "native resolution" copers
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:03 PM
and charge 500 bucks for an 8gb card
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it's ok, by then AMD will finally caught up to the 3060 in blender, and have turing-level encoders with broken AV2 support but AV1 now finally works (oh, and H264 is finally upgraded) (edited)
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it will nicely complement his 2030 8GB phone
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it's ok, by then AMD will finally caught up to the 3060 in blender, and have turing-level encoders with broken AV2 support but AV1 now finally works (oh, and H264 is finally upgraded) (edited)
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:04 PM
your level of elitism and coping is sometimes amazing
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your level of elitism and coping is sometimes amazing
amd being unable to make a good card isn't elitism lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:05 PM
no but declaring shit will be more expensive to look the same is
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remembwe when we had steve jobists, or stalmanists, or bill gatists? we're in the era of the jensenists now (edited)
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it's not my fault the only company making GPUs right now is NVIDIA lol
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that's not elitism, just realistic, if amd doesn't get their shit together and neither does intel, nvidia will keep not having any reason to be better
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:07 PM
and that justifies making games impossible to access to people
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the clear winner from this video is again the ps5
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that shouldn't be the case
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it's ok, by then AMD will finally caught up to the 3060 in blender, and have turing-level encoders with broken AV2 support but AV1 now finally works (oh, and H264 is finally upgraded) (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:07 PM
"we're celebrating things getting more expensive"
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no, that's just how games work, there have been moments in the past too where newer games required hardware that old gpus/agps didn't have
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no, that's just how games work, there have been moments in the past too where newer games required hardware that old gpus/agps didn't have
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:08 PM
yeah, back when a high end new card was 300 bucks
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not 2000 (edited)
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where is your 4090
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and that's partly amd's fault, isn't it? they had ample time to compete reminder that they had a chance to undercut nvidia with the 7900xtx by pricing competitively according to its performance but they got greedy instead (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:08 PM
same for intel
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so being in favour of the monopoly is good
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all hail nvidia
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GPUs have gotten faster over the years, just not at pure raster, if you want to laugh - fill rate has stagnated for like 15 decades already, on all brands, why? because optimizing a horse doesn't get you a car FP16, mesh shaders, RT, tensor, are all the shit that make for a proper next-gen experience (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:09 PM
faster yes, accesible, no
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 9:09 PM
I wonder if my 2080 will have any gains in AW2
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it shouldn't have massive gains, just whatever they found out along the way, 2080 is not architecturally obsolete lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:10 PM
whatever drivers add and they tweaked i guess, 2080 is still in the relevant pile
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the clear winner from this video is again the ps5
PS5, Xbox Series S (the console americans buy for $150 used, the whole box), XSX, all have more advanced architectures than Pascal for raster gaming this isn't a cope, it's just a fact
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:11 PM
that's my point, pc gaming is dead
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lol
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:11 PM
you either spend a grand on a pc, or go for scraps
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 9:12 PM
In a cave
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it isn't dead, NVIDIA offers above console experiences, a 3060 12G can do better than PS5 visuals easily, and even a 4060 can in plenty of games that get their streaming right lol (it's called DLSS) (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:12 PM
why do you think the 4060 didn't get a super refresh? mid end is on its last leg
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you either spend a grand on a pc, or go for scraps
or game on integrated, you don't need high settings and native resolution to game
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:13 PM
yeah, if you land in igpu zone, amd is the only option sadly
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nvidia stopped making good low end cards long ago
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but once you go into integrated, amd is suddenly a good option, because you weren't going to do anything else on that igpu anyway
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AMD is the copium in the dGPU market rn, it's buying a Bulldozer "quad core" because it has better multithreading than the pentium it competes with
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 9:13 PM
The 1060 never got a Ti
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AMD is the copium in the dGPU market rn, it's buying a Bulldozer "quad core" because it has better multithreading than the pentium it competes with
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:14 PM
where is the modern 1050
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where is a sub 75w card that can actually run games for 150 bucks or less
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oops, 400 bucks for entry!
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i'm sorry @GoldenX86_64 but have you never heard of INFLATION lmao prices of everything in USD worldwide went through the roof the last 5 years, and the pandemic skyrocketed them further phones have stagnated on the low-end for like half a decade too, because the raw costs don't go lower, then go up (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:15 PM
even adjusting for inflation doesn't justify the XX60 series of nvidia
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or the 3050
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 9:15 PM
I think the bottom tier is still a bit too high for the 60s, yeah
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oops, 400 bucks for entry!
that seems about right, adjusted for inflation that's an old $220 card
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:15 PM
it's garbage
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that seems about right, adjusted for inflation that's an old $220 card
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:15 PM
220 was a 70 class card
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it's not just inflation, that's jensen's meme
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he's taking more profits
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 9:16 PM
Nah the 1070 was more than that
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1060, $299 MSRP in 2016
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:17 PM
wonder what's the starting price for a 1060 now, 192 bit, 16x slot card
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oh, it's the 4070
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220 was a 70 class card
what year are you talking about? gtx 260 was $400, 570 was $350 (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:18 PM
saw 320, my bad kek
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still, we're down one tier at least in the mid end, and the low end is murdered saying new tech should be the priority on a market that refuses to upgrade from pascal or a 1650 is elitist
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you're deranged if you think bus width and pcie bus size alone make up for the GPU tier 8x cards now have the same PCIe bandwidth, and 192 bit with L3 and GDDR6 are a fuckton more effective bandwidth the reason that those got nerfed is because wafers are expensive as fuck, and the analog shit has stuck the same size for like a decade (engineers had to get creative and make the PCIe bus faster, and nerf the size to make the GPUs happen) (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:19 PM
yet the moment a 4060 with 8gb runs out of ram, it turns into trash
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and dlss, framegen, won't help it
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core features matter to ensure the usability of new tech and mid end is trash now
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but god forbid games get optimized for the rest of gamers
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you're ignoring inflation in USD exists, you're stuck in thinking $150 is the target price, when the costs of aluminium, manufacturing a heatsink, etc all have been linked to inflation the price floor has been raised, why don't you complain about $30 CPUs having stagnated? it's the same logic, you can think of why the $100 phones have pretty much stagnated too (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 3/3/2024 9:21 PM
I think I’d love a 4080 … two years from now
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:22 PM
the price floor has raised, that still doesn't justify the 4060 and 3050
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you're using inflation as an excuse
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"oh yeah we are losing profits, so let's release the 6gb 96 bit 3050"
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these two are on AMD
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:23 PM
"oh yeah, let's re-release ada with the super series, what should have been at launch, because we totally couldn't do it before"
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don't justify bad corpo practices
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AMD released the XTX for $999 kek both corporations are shit, at least one of them sells working GPUs, and not 1082p crap that struggles to compete with 5 year architectures in core functionality NVIDIA would release another 1080 Ti if AMD didn't suffer from a severe case of skill issue (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:24 PM
amd is a joke, we all know that but intel got dunked by the 4 cores meme era and nvidia gets praised, that's elitism at max
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don't justify bad corpo practices
If they had competition it wouldn't be an issue. I always find it funny to get mad at nvidia for doing shit corpo stuff, and not amd for letting them.
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:26 PM
amd is chronically insane, they have a 5:1 pendulum on releasing good stuff intel came late for the mining craze and is starting late for the ai battle, while still not giving a damn about drivers meanwhile, the ai chads are singing praises about nvidia instead of asking for a better market (edited)
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amd is a joke, we all know that but intel got dunked by the 4 cores meme era and nvidia gets praised, that's elitism at max
Again, the thing is nvidia is making hardware that is usable, it doesn't matter what i think about the company, i need to buy their gpus, even if i'd really rather not give them money. It's like exio using a meme laptop, it's the only one that has the stuff he needs.
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:26 PM
usable but expensive AF
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Truth is that Nvidia just don't offer budget alternative
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:27 PM
so it's fine as long as it's apple
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so it's fine as long as it's apple
No, it's not fine, but what are you going to do, buy a shittier product from another multi billion dollar corporation to stick it to the other one?
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I would love to see a 4050 for desktop even if is not as cheap as the 3050 (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:28 PM
or complain about the issues with each release instead of drinking the koolaid
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what's the 1650 pulling here?
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:28 PM
decided to actually read the backlog of a chatroom this time, saw this, and while i cannot answer it myself i dont own AW2, 1650 supports mesh shaders, so it doesnt have to rely on cruddy performing vertex shading. iirc i saw some results at around 30fps at 1080p FSR2 Q low settings, but it could be better, could be worse!
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amd is a joke, we all know that but intel got dunked by the 4 cores meme era and nvidia gets praised, that's elitism at max
Intel stagnated on the "high-end", they released the same shit NVIDIA hasn't
  • Turing was a massive leap (price/$ stagnated for old raster shit, the architecture was a massive leap, finewine happened)
  • Ampere was a leap in (perf/$, shitty vram and efficiency, but compute went through the roof)
  • Ada was a leap, in compute, encoder, OFA, efficiency, yes, not raw raster performance for old games, but DLSS is now basically free across the stack, and the demanding shit is ray reconstruction & frame gen, etc caring exclusively about raster perf/$ is like optimizing for fixed funtion hardware in the era of programmable shaders kek
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:28 PM
ada is the best architecture on GPUs, ever and the worst product stack ever from NVIDIA
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i do complain a lot, i don't know where you're coming from
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Intel stagnated on the "high-end", they released the same shit NVIDIA hasn't
  • Turing was a massive leap (price/$ stagnated for old raster shit, the architecture was a massive leap, finewine happened)
  • Ampere was a leap in (perf/$, shitty vram and efficiency, but compute went through the roof)
  • Ada was a leap, in compute, encoder, OFA, efficiency, yes, not raw raster performance for old games, but DLSS is now basically free across the stack, and the demanding shit is ray reconstruction & frame gen, etc caring exclusively about raster perf/$ is like optimizing for fixed funtion hardware in the era of programmable shaders kek
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:29 PM
where is framegen for the 3050
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Egdarska
i do complain a lot, i don't know where you're coming from
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:29 PM
you're fine, look at exio
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the apple ideology blackhole got him (edited)
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where is framegen for the 3050
it doesn't have the OFA compute for it, do you ask for AV1 encoding on it too? the OFA hardware is a coprocessor out of the media engine (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:29 PM
why no framegen using tensors? fsr3 has passable framegen on compute
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why the gatekeeping
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that kind of mentality is what ruins it
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:30 PM
all framegen looks uggo to me, but its all like within a very small margin for all current frame gen techniques that i know of. there is no way a 3050 cant do NVIDIA-made frame gen.
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:31 PM
they already have the tech to do it, they just gatekeep it to drive sales to ada
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i do expect a shittier framegen for old rtx cards to be a thing at some point, probably once 5xxx series drops and it has predictive reflex or some shit
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:32 PM
at this point i'm not surprised if nvidia decides to remove direct3d, opengl and vulkan support, do a compat layer through nvn and demand games to only support nvn (edited)
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I just tried frame gen in Like a Dragon Gaiden and for me was near perfect And yeah, Nvidia is clearly gatekeeping, great products, horrendous policy
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at this point i'm not surprised if nvidia decides to remove direct3d, opengl and vulkan support, do a compat layer through nvn and demand games to only support nvn (edited)
we back to the 90s baby
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:32 PM
no AIB partners, tech being gatekeeped, what year is it!
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damn, i've been downloading holoiso for hours
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why doesn't my Turing GPU do AV1 decode? or AV1 encoding? why doesn't Pascal do mesh shaders? why doesn't TeraScale do Vulkan? why doesn't the 6500 XT encode videos? why doesn't my 5800X do AVX-512? that is the question for how DLSS3 is implemented now Tensor is for matrix multiplication, bro, it doesn't "do" OFA - you'd need to do OFA through matrix multiplication, find a real-time machine learning model that does it (fixed function hardware is much faster at that) FSR3 is also much lower quality than DLSS3, don't cope about it, NVIDIA could make a lower quality version tho, they have the engineering know-how for it I'm not defending DLSS3 being Ada exclusive, I'm saying that anybody that thinks that DLSS3 in its current form, with its level of quality could run in older hardware is what I call "clueless"
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:33 PM
thank you github
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why doesn't my Turing GPU do AV1 decode? or AV1 encoding? why doesn't Pascal do mesh shaders? why doesn't TeraScale do Vulkan? why doesn't the 6500 XT encode videos? why doesn't my 5800X do AVX-512? that is the question for how DLSS3 is implemented now Tensor is for matrix multiplication, bro, it doesn't "do" OFA - you'd need to do OFA through matrix multiplication, find a real-time machine learning model that does it (fixed function hardware is much faster at that) FSR3 is also much lower quality than DLSS3, don't cope about it, NVIDIA could make a lower quality version tho, they have the engineering know-how for it I'm not defending DLSS3 being Ada exclusive, I'm saying that anybody that thinks that DLSS3 in its current form, with its level of quality could run in older hardware is what I call "clueless"
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:34 PM
youhave no excuse for a lack of framegen on tensor or compute, don't invent excuses
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amd did a generic universal framegen that works on basic compute
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nvidia "can't"
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jensenist
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:36 PM
apple tomorrow could do frame gen entirely on compute on Apple Silicon, no "optical flow accelerator", no Neural Engine use, and it could be the shittiest implementation of all time and exio would probably eat it up like it's the future
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AMD's frame generation is trash quality next to DLSS3 dude, you're comparing DLSS Quality to FSR2 Performance in the quality of generated frames, using a much more inferior version to argue an improved version is gatekeep is just insane do you think that PS5-only exclusives games are also "excuses" because they could stll port them to PS3?
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Man i can't understand anything that yall are talking about
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apple tomorrow could do frame gen entirely on compute on Apple Silicon, no "optical flow accelerator", no Neural Engine use, and it could be the shittiest implementation of all time and exio would probably eat it up like it's the future
nah, he's aware metalfx is trash
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MetalFX is a cope, the only reason it's competitive is that it is for phones, and there's nothing else lol also, if it is a phone-version, you have phone expectations, and artifacts are on another level for the screen size; I dig FSR2 on my m*c because at 1900p on a 14" display, you kinda don't notice the shimmering nowhere near as much (edited)
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AMD's frame generation is trash quality next to DLSS3 dude, you're comparing DLSS Quality to FSR2 Performance in the quality of generated frames, using a much more inferior version to argue an improved version is gatekeep is just insane do you think that PS5-only exclusives games are also "excuses" because they could stll port them to PS3?
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:38 PM
You're mixing sr there to drive your point
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You used the fsr3 dlss mod and said it was decent
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yeah, it's decent, it's still nowhere near the quality of DLSS3
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:39 PM
Framegen of fsr3 is better than no nvidia option
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You used the fsr3 dlss mod and said it was decent
that's using dlss as base, not fsr2
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:39 PM
Where is the nvidia option?
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Egdarska
that's using dlss as base, not fsr2
GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:40 PM
Shows how good nvidia can do it (edited)
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Yet nothing
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GoldenX86_64
Where is the nvidia option?
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:40 PM
available now for $599 US Dollars, $659 dollars Canadian kek
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:40 PM
Exactly
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GoldenX86_64
Yet nothing
They kinda don't have to yet, they don't feel threatened by amd's fsr3 The day amd gets competitive and forces them to do it, it will happen, I'd be surprised if they don't have it ready right now. (edited)
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:41 PM
Ah no but according to exio, it's impossible
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FSR3 from AMD is useless to me, they force FSR2 and FSR2 is useless at 1440p 27" - I need to use community mods to get DLSS, and on the steamdeck, FSR2 is useless, XeSS FTW NVIDIA's Frame Gen is actually high enough quality on my friend's 4070 Ti that I cannot tell it is enabled in a lot of games (on the artifacts front, visually, at 130-140 fps final) I'd love to see FSR3 but with Tensor magic, I'd accept it'd be lower quality tho - like XeSS DP4a vs XeSS XMX
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GoldenX86_64
Ah no but according to exio, it's impossible
dlss3 on generic hardware is not possible, a shittier solution is.
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:42 PM
Where is it
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Egdarska
dlss3 on generic hardware is not possible, a shittier solution is.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:42 PM
dlss3 is already shitty, imo not much loss in making a "shittier" version for "the plebs without optical flow accelerators"
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tech bob ross will release the one from the labs when AMD releases a good GPU, just wait, next gen is the one
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:42 PM
Better sell trash 4060s tho
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GoldenX86_64
Where is it
Where is amd's competition that forces them to release it? Companies don't exist in a vacuum, they need competition to improve.
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GoldenX86_64 3/3/2024 9:43 PM
So the corpo only cares about cash, shocking
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Meanwhile, the gaming market is used 1060s, igpus, consoles, or the rich with a 4080
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So the corpo only cares about cash, shocking
i don't even know what this argument is, you're arguing against the reality of the market?
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this isn't a "it's good/bad" thing, just a statement of fact, nvidia has no incentive to release a generic frame gen unless they feel like it's needed to retain market share, amd has nothing competing with them so they don't do it.
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3060, 1650, 2060, <1060>, 3070, 3060 Ti, 3060 Laptop, 3050, 4060 Laptop, <1050 Ti>, 1660 Super, 3080, 4070 (continued: 4060, AMD Radeon Graphics) https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam RTX is mainstream already, you're ignoring that most of the world isn't as fucked financially as argentina
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yeah, I know, it's the steam survey, it's inaccurate, blabla, it's still a rough guess to tell you that the 1060 is less relevant than the 3060, or 2060 for that matter, or hell, the 1650 even
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3060, 1650, 2060, <1060>, 3070, 3060 Ti, 3060 Laptop, 3050, 4060 Laptop, <1050 Ti>, 1660 Super, 3080, 4070 (continued: 4060, AMD Radeon Graphics) https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam RTX is mainstream already, you're ignoring that most of the world isn't as fucked financially as argentina
Pascal still going 💪
9:47 PM
those top places actually look more current than previous steam surveys lol
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1060 will be "forever relevant" for e-sports like titles tho, i get that one, those games need to run on a toaster (edited)
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mfs in 2047 will be running dota 3 on a 1060 at 60fps
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but remedy optimizing for pascal is ???, like, the game costs what, 60? 70 bucks? buy 2 AAA games less every year and you can afford a used 2060
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I'm just glad i can run it on my fx 6300+1060 now :^)
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tbh we should not be happy until Remedy ports Alan Wake 2 to PS3. the PS2 port should be glorious 👍 can't wait for the Nintendo 64 version, games truly peaked on the SNES tho
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i wonder how good the cell spus are at matrix math
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I'm just glad i can run it on my fx 6300+1060 now :^)
btw did you see that Apple's e-cores are around the same speed of the FX 6300 for compression? lol (per core/thread, not overall performance)
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but remedy optimizing for pascal is ???, like, the game costs what, 60? 70 bucks? buy 2 AAA games less every year and you can afford a used 2060
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:52 PM
$50, and even then, some people, especially those with a 1080 class card, might not feel the need to upgrade. they get decent enough performance in all their other games now, and with Alan Wake II finally getting better performance for Pascal, their reasons to upgrade went down by one. personally, if i spent $700, $800 on just a GTX 1080 Ti back when it was new, i'd want to milk that shit for as long as i possibly could (edited)
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btw did you see that Apple's e-cores are around the same speed of the FX 6300 for compression? lol (per core/thread, not overall performance)
That low?
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$50, and even then, some people, especially those with a 1080 class card, might not feel the need to upgrade. they get decent enough performance in all their other games now, and with Alan Wake II finally getting better performance for Pascal, their reasons to upgrade went down by one. personally, if i spent $700, $800 on just a GTX 1080 Ti back when it was new, i'd want to milk that shit for as long as i possibly could (edited)
they haven't got good performance in like 3-4 years bro, unless they exclusively played older games lol also, Pascal is still eating shit on this game, it's running it at cringe settings @Egdarska e-cores using like 400-500mW (it's like 700mW for the all the CPU clusters, but that includes discord, the terminal, macOS, etc) vs whatever the FX used on single core workloads (edited)
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My 6300 at 4.2GHz was using around 180W with p95, so that's about 30 per core, let's say 25 if we're not counting all the other parts of the chip, how much was the e-core using, 0.3W? Oh lol. (edited)
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I assume 0.2-0.5W of a range, you can usually downclock them a bit and get more efficiency etc etc, so yeah, 2 orders of magnitude more power on the FX cores lol this is also M2, not M3, where they did another 20% or so improvement lol (edited)
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so like a 2,000% efficiency improvement give or take (edited)
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they haven't got good performance in like 3-4 years bro, unless they exclusively played older games lol also, Pascal is still eating shit on this game, it's running it at cringe settings @Egdarska e-cores using like 400-500mW (it's like 700mW for the all the CPU clusters, but that includes discord, the terminal, macOS, etc) vs whatever the FX used on single core workloads (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 9:56 PM
hey, i never said anything about the performance bein good, only about acceptable levels of performance. also, who the fuck cares about "cringe settings" if i can see two feet in front of me and can get more than 30fps it's performant enough for me.
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The point is that there are people who still think they're relevant. You can technically run modern games on a 460, it doesn't mean it will be good, but if you personally can play like that that's ok for you.
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My 6300 at 4.2GHz was using around 180W with p95, so that's about 30 per core, let's say 25 if we're not counting all the other parts of the chip, how much was the e-core using, 0.3W? Oh lol. (edited)
wait, btw, you know the 6300 is more of a "single core with weirdly-segmented hyperthreading" right, the lawsuit was stupid on how they argued for it, but the amd lie was real but it's more like 40+W per core 💀 @LukeTheVideoGamer $400 every 4 years gets you a better gaming experience over time than $800 every 8, I'm pretty sure lol (edited)
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i realized my 1060 was struggling when i played doom eternal, the "runs on potatoes" game, and had drops to the 50s at 1080p high
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wait, btw, you know the 6300 is more of a "single core with weirdly-segmented hyperthreading" right, the lawsuit was stupid on how they argued for it, but the amd lie was real but it's more like 40+W per core 💀 @LukeTheVideoGamer $400 every 4 years gets you a better gaming experience over time than $800 every 8, I'm pretty sure lol (edited)
yeah, it's technically 6 cores*, but each cluster of 2 cores shares some math units, so they can't be used at the same time, so it's even worse than just a hyperthreaded 3 core
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i actually can't wait so hard for DLSS Reprojection it'll be fucking wild when we are rendering games at 720p40 on a laptop, and reprojection to 1440p240 lol (edited)
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wait, btw, you know the 6300 is more of a "single core with weirdly-segmented hyperthreading" right, the lawsuit was stupid on how they argued for it, but the amd lie was real but it's more like 40+W per core 💀 @LukeTheVideoGamer $400 every 4 years gets you a better gaming experience over time than $800 every 8, I'm pretty sure lol (edited)
I actually got my 1060 on sale for $250, lasted me 6 years 🙃
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i actually can't wait so hard for DLSS Reprojection it'll be fucking wild when we are rendering games at 720p40 on a laptop, and reprojection to 1440p240 lol (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:02 PM
reprojection doesnt even need to be run on tensor cores to be good what the fuck are you smoking
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Egdarska
I actually got my 1060 on sale for $250, lasted me 6 years 🙃
yea I mean, i picked my 2060 super for $330 ish, and a 4060 (if available for $300) would still be an upgrade for gaming lol @LukeTheVideoGamer it doesn't need it, but it would benefit for better image quality
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:05 PM
it wouldnt significantly impact image quality if it was handled on tensor over just standard CUDA or whatever. how do i know? BECAUSE REPROJECTION IS ALREADY USED IN VR IT CAN BE DONE ON A PHONE PROCESSOR
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yea I mean, i picked my 2060 super for $330 ish, and a 4060 (if available for $300) would still be an upgrade for gaming lol @LukeTheVideoGamer it doesn't need it, but it would benefit for better image quality
I still kinda wish i'd waited a couple months to buy the laptop with a 4060
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it wouldnt significantly impact image quality if it was handled on tensor over just standard CUDA or whatever. how do i know? BECAUSE REPROJECTION IS ALREADY USED IN VR IT CAN BE DONE ON A PHONE PROCESSOR
??? reprojection in VR is extremely low quality, and even on a phone processor it has a massive frametime cost when done half-decently, Quest 2 needs like 6 ms to do AppSW lol (to do frame doubling) DLSS on my 2060 Super has a 1ms cost from 720p to 1440p, and that's old hardware now, 4080 is <0.3ms (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:08 PM
six milliseconds--dude are you fucking hearing yourself? SIX milliseconds is literally ONE FRAME at 120hz. LESS THAN HALF OF A FRAME at 60hz. you dont need baby daddy Jensen to come down from heaven himself and grace your stupid outdated Turing GPU with AI accelerated reprojection just for it to be """""good"""""
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??? reprojection in VR is extremely low quality, and even on a phone processor it has a massive frametime cost when done half-decently, Quest 2 needs like 6 ms to do AppSW lol (to do frame doubling) DLSS on my 2060 Super has a 1ms cost from 720p to 1440p, and that's old hardware now, 4080 is <0.3ms (edited)
>6ms bruh
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six milliseconds--dude are you fucking hearing yourself? SIX milliseconds is literally ONE FRAME at 120hz. LESS THAN HALF OF A FRAME at 60hz. you dont need baby daddy Jensen to come down from heaven himself and grace your stupid outdated Turing GPU with AI accelerated reprojection just for it to be """""good"""""
Is your point that 6ms isn't a lot? because that's hilarious.
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Is your point that 6ms isn't a lot? because that's hilarious.
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:10 PM
no, it really isnt. could it be way better? yeah! does it NEED to be in the DLSS suite to actually be better? NO! NOT AT FUCKING ALL!
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bruh, 6ms is more than most games' entire shading pipeline cost.
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this is the frametime to do frame doubling, and it's "acceptable", on a first person view where you have very limited occlusion, and you don't have normal cinematics if you want to generate more frames it'd get more expensive @LukeTheVideoGamer 6ms for a "post-processing thing" is insane, if you have a game rendering at 16.66ms (60 fps) and you did AppSW you'd go to 22.66 ms so 44 fps (x2) ... 88, this is assuming things go well the only reason it makes sense for Quest is that games REALLY need it, and rendering at 36/45 fps + AppSW is still an improvement over native 90 lol
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again, you're talking about reprojection, with 6ms you're essentially negating almost all gains from reprojecting, it would only be usable at very low frame rates, not even 60fps.
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AppSW is the high quality reprojection from Meta, FWIW you have very cheap reprojection that is uh, meh quality, but ~feels better~ than vomiting in your room due to motion sickness quality improvements become harder to get as you want higher and higher tiers of quality, I want DLSS Reprojection because I want it to "feel as good as native", and become a must-enable setting
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HBAO+ had a 2.4ms cost on a flagship card when it was introduced, and that was considered insane lol
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Speaking of hbao @exio4 they removed it from witcher 3 rtx edition
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I think you're just confused about what the 6ms means, the gpu doesn't get to render one frame, then chill the next and show the frame in 6ms, it has to render this frame, prepare the next reprojected frame , and still try to render another frame, the 6ms is cutting into the time it has to render the other frame. At 60fps this means more than 33% of the time is spent doing reprojection. (edited)
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AppSW is the high quality reprojection from Meta, FWIW you have very cheap reprojection that is uh, meh quality, but ~feels better~ than vomiting in your room due to motion sickness quality improvements become harder to get as you want higher and higher tiers of quality, I want DLSS Reprojection because I want it to "feel as good as native", and become a must-enable setting
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:20 PM
i have no words. not because "i have no argument", but because nothing i can argue will get through to you. you're inconsolable. reprojection as a part of DLSS would be legitimately the worst addition to the GeForce RTX feature stack since RTX Voice. (yes i actually really dislike the idea of RTX Voice, you have so many other solutions that dont require spending $400 on a shitty gaming GPU just for noise cancelling on the microphone))
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i have no words. not because "i have no argument", but because nothing i can argue will get through to you. you're inconsolable. reprojection as a part of DLSS would be legitimately the worst addition to the GeForce RTX feature stack since RTX Voice. (yes i actually really dislike the idea of RTX Voice, you have so many other solutions that dont require spending $400 on a shitty gaming GPU just for noise cancelling on the microphone))
Masterful gambit sir.
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reprojection is about hitting 240, 480, 1000 hz
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:21 PM
and you cant do that without tensor cores to be able to "feel better than native"? or maybe you just dont want to. (edited)
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No one has tried. We can only base it on what has previously been done, and so far upscaling with specific hardware has been better, and frame generation with specific hardware has been better, that's kind of the thing about hardware acceleration.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:23 PM
then make a fucking vendor agnostic, hardware accelerated solution like fucking video decode!!! fuck!!!
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video encoding isnt hardware agnostic bro
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We do it for audio, we do it for video, we do it for textures, we do it for vertex data, software solutions are always inferior, specially at doing them really quickly. Video isn't vendor agnostic, the software needs to work with the hardware.
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:24 PM
WHATEVER FINE YOU WIN anything to stop this stupid fucking argument honestly (edited)
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That's just facts, I don't know what to tell you.
10:26 PM
That was the whole thing with intel's quicksync, it does decode video that exists, and it does create videos that can be decoded by other hardware, but you need to code your software to be aware of their hardware if you want to use it.
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That's just facts, I don't know what to tell you.
gpus exist to do gpu things cpus are bad at
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don't tell the "run yuzu on the gpu" fella
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:33 PM
okay fine i accept that a hardware accelerated solution would be better than something handled more in software. i just really fucking dislike the idea of it being a part of DLSS because knowing nvidia they would find a way to make it work only on a fucking RTX 5090 Ti Super or whatever despite it likely being possible to work just fine on a 3050
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okay fine i accept that a hardware accelerated solution would be better than something handled more in software. i just really fucking dislike the idea of it being a part of DLSS because knowing nvidia they would find a way to make it work only on a fucking RTX 5090 Ti Super or whatever despite it likely being possible to work just fine on a 3050
Hey how did Btrfs go? Did you find any game that compressed good?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:35 PM
not yet i kinda fell asleep lmao
10:36 PM
also i havent found a way to get compression working on a btrfs formatted external drive, not easily at least. very very frustrating day all around :p
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also i havent found a way to get compression working on a btrfs formatted external drive, not easily at least. very very frustrating day all around :p
You need to add an fstab entry for that drive for the compression, I usually use the LABEL instead of the uuid for those. And if you already moved data to the disk, you will have to do a defrag to get it to compress the existing data, the fedora article I linked a while ago explains this part. (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:40 PM
... but it's an external SSD... wouldnt any kind of defragmenting only harm it? (edited)
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LukeTheVideoGamer
... but it's an external SSD... wouldnt any kind of defragmenting only harm it? (edited)
You still need the fstab entry. Doesnt really hurt, just that you will write the data again over for it to compress it When you installed the OS they did the right thing of enabling the compression during install to prevent this issue, other distros you have to do it afterwards with a defrag
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For example for my media partition (which can be a different disk) this is the fstab entry I use: LABEL=MEDIA /media/MEDIA btrfs rw,noatime,nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show,ssd,space_cache=v2,discard=async,compress-force=zstd:1 0 0
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/3/2024 10:44 PM
im a fucking moron. i dont understand any of this shit anymore.
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LukeTheVideoGamer
im a fucking moron. i dont understand any of this shit anymore.
Just give it a LABEL to your external ssd with gparted or a similar tool, and use that label to mount it like the example above.
10:48 PM
In your case the PATH for the defrag would be just the one to where you mounted the external SSD. (edited)
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lol, i didn't know userbenchmark was paid now
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Egdarska
lol, i didn't know userbenchmark was paid now
Didn't know that either
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Samueru
Didn't know that either
The testing suite is paid, you can still laugh at the reviews for free
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Dang, 13600k is still the best cpu you can buy according to userbenchmark. And 4060 lol. (edited)
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Egdarska
Dang, 13600k is still the best cpu you can buy according to userbenchmark. And 4060 lol. (edited)
Sus
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@exio4 How does this ranking make you feel?
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GoldenSun3DS 3/4/2024 12:01 AM
Userschmenchmark?
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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Vv6jCd rate my userbenchmark approved build
Part List - Intel Core i5-13600K, GeForce RTX 4060, HYTE Y60 Ouro Kronii ATX Mid Tower
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Egdarska
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Vv6jCd rate my userbenchmark approved build
Lol the case
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Only the best for the best components
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 1:06 AM
Bonus points for the GPU being a brand I never heard of before
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deadlybydsgn
Bonus points for the GPU being a brand I never heard of before
Inno3D has been around for a long while
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Inno3D, lol. They aren't really a NA brand (edited)
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 1:09 AM
I guess that’s why
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It is really amazing how many manufacturers would like to have their 6600 products reviewed, this product is hot ! This week the turn goes to InnoVision / Inno3D.
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Omg they might be even be older than Evga lol http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/innogfmx/index.html
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I just chose the scummiest sounding one, i didn't know it was a thing
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 1:17 AM
I just haven’t seen them before 🤷‍♂️
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I don't even know any more, I'll make fun of some component made by s random string of letters and people will be like you really haven't heard of dhtejfbdk? They've sold ssds for 15 years.
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I don't even know any more, I'll make fun of some component made by s random string of letters and people will be like you really haven't heard of dhtejfbdk? They've sold ssds for 15 years.
More like 24 years in this case kek
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Egdarska
I don't even know any more, I'll make fun of some component made by s random string of letters and people will be like you really haven't heard of dhtejfbdk? They've sold ssds for 15 years.
deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 1:45 AM
Like all of these Amazon resellers
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Explore this post and more from the virtualreality community
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The coolest thing I've seen the vision pro do is get idiots to pay $3,500 for it
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But it's an investment for what it will be able to do in the future!
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Btrfs+zstd:1 saves 20% on disk space for Ace Combat 7
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BaronCandy 3/4/2024 2:05 PM
Hello I got my hands on my old phone a poco f1 it's got snap 845 n 8 256 do u think I can like emulate basic 2d games on it (mainly to let kids play it )
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The VK_EXT_descriptor_buffer extension was made public in November 2022 with Vulkan 1.3.235 while finally this past week Intel's open-source Mesa 'ANV' driver has merged support for this extension
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Hello I got my hands on my old phone a poco f1 it's got snap 845 n 8 256 do u think I can like emulate basic 2d games on it (mainly to let kids play it )
Otozinclus 3/4/2024 3:39 PM
Depends on the game. 2D does not necessarily mean less demanding. Stuff like Undertale will probably work, no clue how much higher you can go
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BaronCandy 3/4/2024 3:41 PM
So mario old ones should be ok?
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LukeTheVideoGamer 3/4/2024 3:41 PM
Sonic Mania is a fairly well performing 2D game, but be weary of the Special Stages, they're full 3D and might not perform the greatest on older or weaker phones
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it's on netflix btw nvm, not all regions lol (edited)
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it's on netflix btw nvm, not all regions lol (edited)
LukeTheVideoGamer 3/4/2024 4:36 PM
i'd rather put a fanmade android port made with the RSDKv5(u) decomp than use Netflix since i still own the game that way (twice over! switch and steam for me)
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BaronCandy 3/4/2024 5:26 PM
Netflix i simply hate i would rather not play the game than give em money
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 6:30 PM
There are some things Netflix does well, but their criticism is pretty warranted. It's just a little weird to see their arc from the mid-aughts to now.
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 6:51 PM
So, real talk. Does this mean the discord will also shut down? Because I seriously love the discussions in the hardware channel.
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Honestly probably will go down I’d imagine. They want Yuzu to not exist and this is the main channel from rheir website. Not to say someone can’t make another, but this one has a lot of history they’d have to remove and scrub for legal reasons
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:00 PM
I mean, it might be healthy for my at-work productivity, but I've seriously learned as much about hardware here in 2.5 years than I have since I started tinkering with PC stuff a few decades ago. It really helped catch me up
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Awesomeangotti 3/4/2024 7:05 PM
The hardware channel discord when
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I'll miss fighting with y'all over trivial shit
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Githubs down. Time to play the titantic music
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:10 PM
If only Discord let you talk with people who didn't share servers
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Egdarska
I'll miss fighting with y'all over trivial shit
Awesomeangotti 3/4/2024 7:10 PM
The good old days are even overer
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:12 PM
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Froggyman | [R75700X+RX6900XT] 3/4/2024 7:13 PM
I hate the slow mode
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:14 PM
A minute isn’t too bad
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i mean you have 1000s of people just meming in general so
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:22 PM
Welp, there it is in #announcements. The wording makes me wonder about Citra (edited)
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Just wanna have one last go. @exio4 i just found out that ipads have had usb c for years, what the fuck, why is apple so shit?
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Egdarska
Just wanna have one last go. @exio4 i just found out that ipads have had usb c for years, what the fuck, why is apple so shit?
deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:23 PM
But not all of them! Heh. Pencil support is also all over the place.
7:25 PM
Seriously though, I'm going to miss this channel and occasionally wonder how some of you folk are doing. There's lots of interesting commentary and knowledge that bounces around in here
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Awesomeangotti 3/4/2024 7:25 PM
Gen is going wild. Thanks for all the hardware info guys (edited)
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where are we all going to hangout now?
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takanome9104 3/4/2024 7:26 PM
anyone make a server for this hardware channel please
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deadlybydsgn
Welp, there it is in #announcements. The wording makes me wonder about Citra (edited)
the announcement advised dev for both is being discontinued
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deadlybydsgn 3/4/2024 7:28 PM
Guess that's due to them being under the same LLC umbrella. Dang But yeah, if anybody starts a new hardware server somewhere, I'd join to hear people argue over things and occasionally ask questions (edited)
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kadinbogazliyom39372836823681638 3/4/2024 7:32 PM
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EMULATION ISN'T PIRACY
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Schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 3/4/2024 7:32 PM
Schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeee has 10 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.
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Skynë̯́t̞̓.̼̿́e̼̍̃x̥͑͝e̼̎͞ 3/4/2024 7:32 PM
goodbye :(
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takanome9104 3/4/2024 7:32 PM
general become a twitch chat
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Bye bye server
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